System2Win87
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:28:51 PM permalink
Tell me what u guys think of this

Betting 1 Number Repeated til you hit (50 spins maybe more depending on bankroll)

10 spins \$15 = 150 Hit First + 510 Hit Last +395
10 spins \$15 = 150 Hit First + 375 Hit Last +240
10 spins \$25 = 250 Hit First + 575 Hit Last +350
10 spins \$50 = 500 Hit first + 1200 Hit Last +750
10 spins \$100 = 1000 Hit First + 2450 Hit Last +1550
Doc
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:37:04 PM permalink
I have no idea what that means, but if this is 00 roulette, I highly suspect that in the long term on average this strategy will lose you \$1 out of every \$19 that you bet.
System2Win87
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:41:22 PM permalink
I believe u can hit a random number in 50 spins and as u can see no matter when u hit as long as u hit u proft... if u hit on the first spin of a new increase obviously its best, thats what hit first and hit last in that 10 spins means.
System2Win87
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:44:38 PM permalink
If i Hit 2nd spin in, im in for \$15 then the next bet is 15 and i hit i get 525 minus the first 15 = 510 profit
If i hit 8th spin in, im in for 7x15 = 105 i hit for 525 525-105 = 420
teddys
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:45:34 PM permalink
Um what if u don't hit in 50 spins then u lose \$2000

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thecesspit
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:48:19 PM permalink
You have a 26% chance of not hitting in 50 spins.
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System2Win87
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:48:19 PM permalink
pretty much unless u have the bank roll to go for 200 on inside for 10 more spins, or u can make it more then 10 spins for each level, im just tryin to crack a system that is good, i think betting a single number is the best because only 1 number can hit obviously and if u spread through the board u lose too much profit
System2Win87
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:49:07 PM permalink
stretch it out to 15 spins each level and get 5 more spins for 5 levels is 25 more
System2Win87
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:49:34 PM permalink
work off of this basis and u can crack somethin im telling u
System2Win87
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:51:23 PM permalink
whats the percent if u had 6 levels which is 60 spins then span it out 5 more on each another 30 = 90 spins whats % of not hitting 90
System2Win87
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:55:10 PM permalink
If anyone has been to the Sands casino in Bethelhem Pennsylvania the roulette board holds 21 previous numbers and it also says which ones r cold,so if says 10 is cold and u seen 21 spins of no 10 then u can start or u can even wait a few more spins before starting.I walk in casinos constantly, eveyone has favorite numbers my favorites in roulette r 0,00,10,11,12,17,20,23,24,25,27,29, i say pick 1 and go!!!
teddys
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:57:09 PM permalink
What happened to the HOTT! numbers system?
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System2Win87
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:57:33 PM permalink
how can i run a system a million times with increases and changing the number after a number hits hit to a different number that hasnt come out the longest (coldest) previously.
System2Win87
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April 18th, 2011 at 6:58:18 PM permalink
too much loss of profit betting more then 1 number
rdw4potus
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April 18th, 2011 at 7:00:06 PM permalink
Quote: System2Win87

work off of this basis and u can crack somethin im telling u

You're joking, right? If your system worked, casinos wouldn't offer roulette...
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Doc
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April 18th, 2011 at 7:01:26 PM permalink
After your ten posts in this thread, I stick with my comment in my earlier post.
teddys
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April 18th, 2011 at 7:02:12 PM permalink
Quote: System2Win87

how can i run a system a million times with increases and changing the number after a number hits hit to a different number that hasnt come out the longest (coldest) previously.

Don't bother. Those math people will just try to screw you up with facts, figures, and equations. You need a REAL WORLD system for REAL WORLD people. Go with guts!

Also, I want to invest in your system. But, it needs a catchier name. How about the Singer Method for Roulette?
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System2Win87
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April 18th, 2011 at 7:02:47 PM permalink
first off how many ppl do u know that bet 1 number i guarantee u its not too many... so nobody has even tried it..
System2Win87
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April 18th, 2011 at 7:05:59 PM permalink
i think its a start.. obviously ppl say u cant beat the game, not yet mayb soon
thecesspit
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April 18th, 2011 at 7:15:00 PM permalink
Quote: System2Win87

whats the percent if u had 6 levels which is 60 spins then span it out 5 more on each another 30 = 90 spins whats % of not hitting 90

Chance of missing 90 in a row is 9.1%

Fact is, you can go a LOOOONNNGGGG time before a number hits. No amount of increasing bets and big bankrolls will stop this fundamental flaw... no number is "due" any sooner than another, and one day you'll get wiped out.

Go ahead and test it out on a free-play site... the wizard has a simulator as well.
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rdw4potus
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April 18th, 2011 at 7:23:20 PM permalink
Quote: System2Win87

i think its a start.. obviously ppl say u cant beat the game, not yet mayb soon

No, never. You can never beat the game. That's the whole point.
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P90
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April 18th, 2011 at 8:29:57 PM permalink
But as far as systems go, "Spin 1 number till you hit" isn't bad. Just make it flat-betting and you're in business!
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FleaStiff
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April 19th, 2011 at 1:50:48 AM permalink
Quote: System2Win87

the roulette board holds 21 previous numbers and it also says which ones are cold!!!

Yeah, but that little white ball never seems to read that annunciator.
P90
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April 19th, 2011 at 2:44:21 AM permalink
I suppose they wouldn't allow you to draw little glasses on it...
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FleaStiff
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April 19th, 2011 at 2:52:54 AM permalink
Quote: P90

I suppose they wouldn't allow you to draw little glasses on it...

Nah, the casino tried that already but there were too many fist fights about the person drawing the glasses that could see the hot numbers versus the glasses that could see the cold numbers.
DeMango
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April 19th, 2011 at 3:07:20 AM permalink
An interesting thing I notice when playing craps next to a roulette tote board. Not sue if they are last 15 or 21 results, but every time you look, one number has repeated at least once. I really can't recall not seeing this happen. That would make an interesting bet, one unit on each of the last 15 or 21 results. Thoughts on this?
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P90
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April 19th, 2011 at 3:19:14 AM permalink
You'll win almost half the time, almost twice as much as you bet.
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EvenBob
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April 19th, 2011 at 3:35:25 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

An interesting thing I notice when playing craps next to a roulette tote board. Not sure if they are last 15 or 21 results, but every time you look, one number has repeated at least once. I really can't recall not seeing this happen. That would make an interesting bet, one unit on each of the last 15 or 21 results. Thoughts on this?

Pretend you never wrote this post, you'll be far better off. Don't get me started..
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FleaStiff
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April 19th, 2011 at 3:59:26 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

one unit on each of the last 15. Thoughts on this?

At a five dollar minimum inside bet table, this would be 75 dollars to achieve one of two possible results: Lose 75 dollars 0R win 101 dollars.
After two initial losing spins followed by a win on the third spin, you are down only 49 dollars.

The free booze better be plentiful.
pacomartin
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April 19th, 2011 at 4:00:48 AM permalink
My own theory about roulette is that if you play it then you should only bet on plays that pay 9:1, 12:1, 18:1 or 36:1. There is simply no reason to play at the high house edge unless you are going to get some excitement. At those payouts the house edge is a relative bargain.

If that makes you nervous, then you should be playing craps.
FleaStiff
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April 19th, 2011 at 5:35:55 AM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

roulette: only bet on plays that pay 9:1, 12:1, 18:1 or 36:1.

But at craps and baccarat only bet on a 1:1 payout?
A straight up number is great.. if it wins. If it doesn't you better have a heck of large bankroll if you plan to make straight up bets all night long.
pacomartin
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April 19th, 2011 at 6:58:01 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

But at craps and baccarat only bet on a 1:1 payout?

That's a bit extreme. You are getting 2:1 payouts on some place bets, and 3:1 on the field. You can toss a small percentage of your money on proposition bets.

But if you want that kind of game, switch to the roulette table. Why double your house edge to play long shots? Conversely, why play for low payouts at roulette if the house edge is so high?

I've never been to a casino that only had a choice of roulette or craps. They either have both or none.
gofaster87
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April 19th, 2011 at 7:39:13 AM permalink
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rdw4potus
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April 19th, 2011 at 8:11:36 AM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

I've never been to a casino that only had a choice of roulette or craps. They either have both or none.

One of the very small Vegas casinos has roulette only. I'm absolutely blanking on the name, but it's *tiny*, on boulder highway (but away from Boulder Strip). Maybe 50 slots, 4 BJ tables that are almost always closed, and the roulette wheel.

Also, at home here in MN, both Roulette and Craps are not allowed as live games. Video roulette is popular, but video craps doesn't exist. That may also count?

Edit: I'm pretty sure I'm thinking of the Klondike Sunset at Sunset Rd and Boulder Highway.
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FleaStiff
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April 19th, 2011 at 9:28:17 AM permalink
>You are getting 2:1 payouts on some place bets, and 3:1 on the field. A small percentage on proposition bets.
True, but Basic Strategy is simply Line Bets and Odds Bets. Some people do add 6/8-Place bets or occasional Field bets, but in reality Basic Strategy is Line and Odds only. And true the house edge varies a bit but it is relatively low.

Same thing with Baccarat: technically its not a 1:1 payout on Banker but lets not split an already very fine hair.

Blackjack is variable house edge depending on rules and skill and discipline but in general its a low house edge for 1:1 or 3:2 or 6:5, though mostly 1:1.

>Conversely, why play for low payouts at roulette if the house edge is so high?
5.26 percent compares rather favorably with many Field bets.

I understand the general point that you are making: If a low house edge game is available but you choose instead to play at a higher house edge, at least do it for better payouts. Does that mean we should all be lining up at Slot Machines? Twelve percent house edge but a possible jackpot?

Roulette is slower than craps and often roulette tables are deserted these days for some reason. When I get tired of standing at a craps table I sit down at the roulette table. I usually make Outside Bets. Usually Red/Black and 2nd Row. Or Dozens. I usually make a departing 2-way StraightUp Bet. Sure a 35:1 payout is great but a 1:1 or 2:1 payout is more likely to take place.
pacomartin
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April 19th, 2011 at 10:56:06 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I understand the general point that you are making: If a low house edge game is available but you choose instead to play at a higher house edge, at least do it for better payouts. Does that mean we should all be lining up at Slot Machines? Twelve percent house edge but a possible jackpot?

Roulette is slower than craps and often roulette tables are deserted these days for some reason.

Craps and roulette both dropped by about the same percentage. Slots have the same payback percentage as some prop bets in craps. I just don't like them much.

I would probably like slots better if they gave me information. The general feeling is that PARS should be classified. But I sometimes choose to be hard ways even though I know the probability. I would probably do the same with slots.
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April 19th, 2011 at 12:08:38 PM permalink
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teddys
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April 19th, 2011 at 1:04:59 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

One of the very small Vegas casinos has roulette only. I'm absolutely blanking on the name, but it's *tiny*, on boulder highway (but away from Boulder Strip). Maybe 50 slots, 4 BJ tables that are almost always closed, and the roulette wheel.

BJ opens at 4. Open early upon request if you can corral a dealer :)
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Keyser
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April 19th, 2011 at 1:17:28 PM permalink
Quote: Evenbob aka Spike

Pretend you never wrote this post, you'll be far better off. Don't get me started..

Evenbob,

As I recall you were touting the ability to predict over 70% on the even chances at roulette. What's changed? :)
System2Win87
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April 19th, 2011 at 1:59:38 PM permalink
u can never bet 15-21 numbers.....
System2Win87
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April 19th, 2011 at 2:15:45 PM permalink
Check this 1 out:

13 spins \$5 = 65 Hit First +175 Hit Last +125
13 spins \$10 = 130 Hit First +285 Hit Last +165
13 spins \$20 = 260 Hit First +505 Hit Last +265
13 spins \$40 = 520 Hit First +945 Hit Last +465
13 spins \$80 = 1040 Hit First +1925 Hit Last +875
13 spins \$160 = 2040 Hit first + 3585 Hit Last +1600
System2Win87
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April 19th, 2011 at 2:16:09 PM permalink
If You can find a 5 dollar table if not start at 10
System2Win87
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April 19th, 2011 at 2:25:35 PM permalink
Or this for 90 spins

15 spins \$5 = 75 Hit First +175 Hit Last +105
15 spins \$10 = 150 Hit First +275 Hit Last +135
15 spins \$25 = 375 Hit First +650 Hit Last +300
15 spins \$50 = 750 Hit First +1150 Hit Last +450
15 spins \$100 = 1500 Hit First +2150 Hit Last +850
15 spins \$200 = 3000 Hit first +4150 Hit Last +1150
System2Win87
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April 19th, 2011 at 2:26:50 PM permalink
Who can run this a million times
rdw4potus
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April 19th, 2011 at 2:33:23 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

BJ opens at 4. Open early upon request if you can corral a dealer :)

Weekends only? I think I was there at like 10pm on a Tuesday.
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thecesspit
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April 19th, 2011 at 2:59:53 PM permalink
Quote: System2Win87

u can never bet 15-21 numbers.....

Why not?

I can run this a million times, if I so wished. It's just not very interesting to do so for the hour or so it'd take me to alter my software to do so.
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System2Win87
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April 19th, 2011 at 3:08:44 PM permalink
so y would u tell me u can do it,then say nah i dont feel like it cuz its time consuming , just dont reply then..
thecesspit
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April 19th, 2011 at 3:19:00 PM permalink
I should have added "because I am aware that the results will roughly match the mathematical expectation of losing 5.26% if each bet made".

I replied to try and make it clear that there's some futility to your quest. Your system is nothing new and has been done and posted about in many places. I've simulated (using Excel) a similar system using red/black on roulette and that's how I learnt myself that these systems never work. And in the mean time I learned a lot about programming and probability and gambling. So it wasn't a waste of time.

As helpful hand though, there are some online simulation packages you can find, or you can code your own. Both these would help you as you'd understand the system better and learn about the probabilities involved and how a Martingale-type system ultimately leads to a big risk of a large loss AND lowers your overall chances of making a profit in the mid-term.

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April 19th, 2011 at 3:48:18 PM permalink
Quote: Calder

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