Is Baccarat beatable in WizardOfOdds?
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August 28th, 2025 at 11:21:46 AM
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Hi Friends,
I only play baccarat, just to keep things simple.
I have played aggressively like Martingale, playing Dragon 7 bonus on all hands and everything a player on tilt does and as expected lost badly. Then I decided not to play at all and concentrated on work and brought back peace in life.
A year back I wanted to play again and decided only if I'm able to win consistently on paper, I'll hit back the real tables. So I decided to play Baccarat on Wizard Of Odds. Initially as expected won and then lost patience and lost again. Stopped for another six months and started again Last November and almost played daily and kept track of everything in an excel file. Now I'm sitting at a profit of 150K+ as of today(Beware I still had big losing days).
Now I started thinking seriously that "I'm ready for the actual table"
Now I want to consider all factors before going to play, so please let me know is Baccarat beatable on Wizard Of Odds demo play?
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I only play baccarat, just to keep things simple.
I have played aggressively like Martingale, playing Dragon 7 bonus on all hands and everything a player on tilt does and as expected lost badly. Then I decided not to play at all and concentrated on work and brought back peace in life.
A year back I wanted to play again and decided only if I'm able to win consistently on paper, I'll hit back the real tables. So I decided to play Baccarat on Wizard Of Odds. Initially as expected won and then lost patience and lost again. Stopped for another six months and started again Last November and almost played daily and kept track of everything in an excel file. Now I'm sitting at a profit of 150K+ as of today(Beware I still had big losing days).
Now I started thinking seriously that "I'm ready for the actual table"
Now I want to consider all factors before going to play, so please let me know is Baccarat beatable on Wizard Of Odds demo play?
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August 28th, 2025 at 6:00:44 PM
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Only if the program has a critical bug.
August 28th, 2025 at 8:18:27 PM
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Quote: BacaMacaNow I want to consider all factors before going to play, so please let me know is Baccarat beatable on Wizard Of Odds demo play?
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I highly doubt the game is flawed. It was created by the genius programmer JB. However, I am all the way confident the Martingale can't beat any game with a house edge. If you've beaten the WoO game, it's probably due to simple good luck and a small sample size.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 29th, 2025 at 8:41:03 AM
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You should be able to gain an advantage for most any card game if you are capable of tracking every card that has been played, and knowing every card that is left in the deck, and being able to process what that means for that particular game.
Also if you have a way of knowing, even rarely, what the first card coming out will be or even might be.
Also if you have a way of knowing, even rarely, what the first card coming out will be or even might be.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 29th, 2025 at 11:56:31 AM
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Quote: MDawgYou should be able to gain an advantage for most any card game if you are capable of tracking every card that has been played, and knowing every card that is left in the deck, and being able to process what that means for that particular game.
Also if you have a way of knowing, even rarely, what the first card coming out will be or even might be.
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The latter is much more powerful in baccarat. If only it were easy to do.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
August 29th, 2025 at 4:54:23 PM
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Quote: WizardQuote: MDawgYou should be able to gain an advantage for most any card game if you are capable of tracking every card that has been played, and knowing every card that is left in the deck, and being able to process what that means for that particular game.
Also if you have a way of knowing, even rarely, what the first card coming out will be or even might be.
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The latter is much more powerful in baccarat. If only it were easy to do.
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Is it just not easy, or is it almost and practically impossible?
August 29th, 2025 at 7:35:12 PM
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Is it just not easy, or is it almost and practically impossible?
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https://ictnews.org/archive/atlantic-city-casino-sues-players-who-won-15-million-on-unshuffled-deck/
It is always good to keep an eye open for opportunity.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 30th, 2025 at 3:13:57 AM
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Quote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPh
Is it just not easy, or is it almost and practically impossible?
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https://ictnews.org/archive/atlantic-city-casino-sues-players-who-won-15-million-on-unshuffled-deck/
It is always good to keep an eye open for opportunity.
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Interesting story. There are conflicting reports that the casino agreed to pay the winnings, or that the judge ordered the winnings returned to the casino. Which leads me to a question:
Let's say the same situation happens again the next (first!) time I play baccarat. I sit down, buy in and place my bet. The cards start coming out, not in random order, but in some type or order that makes it readily apparent to an attentive observer that the game isn't fair and the cards come out in a predictable and repeatable pattern.
What are my legal obligations? Do I have an affirmative duty to immediately inform the casino that game isn't fair, and advantages the player? Must I immediately stop playing, so as to not be accused of cheating or otherwise have to forfeit my winnings?
August 30th, 2025 at 3:34:06 AM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPh
Is it just not easy, or is it almost and practically impossible?
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https://ictnews.org/archive/atlantic-city-casino-sues-players-who-won-15-million-on-unshuffled-deck/
It is always good to keep an eye open for opportunity.
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Interesting story. There are conflicting reports that the casino agreed to pay the winnings, or that the judge ordered the winnings returned to the casino. Which leads me to a question:
Let's say the same situation happens again the next (first!) time I play baccarat. I sit down, buy in and place my bet. The cards start coming out, not in random order, but in some type or order that makes it readily apparent to an attentive observer that the game isn't fair and the cards come out in a predictable and repeatable pattern.
What are my legal obligations? Do I have an affirmative duty to immediately inform the casino that game isn't fair, and advantages the player? Must I immediately stop playing, so as to not be accused of cheating or otherwise have to forfeit my winnings?
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I am not your lawyer.
Some thoughts:
The casino often provides pencils and scorecards to baccarat players; this means that they want you to try and figure things out and make predictions about the next hand.
If the casino chooses to deal from stacked decks without shuffling, I think that is on them.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 30th, 2025 at 3:54:41 AM
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Quote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPh
Is it just not easy, or is it almost and practically impossible?
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https://ictnews.org/archive/atlantic-city-casino-sues-players-who-won-15-million-on-unshuffled-deck/
It is always good to keep an eye open for opportunity.
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Interesting story. There are conflicting reports that the casino agreed to pay the winnings, or that the judge ordered the winnings returned to the casino. Which leads me to a question:
Let's say the same situation happens again the next (first!) time I play baccarat. I sit down, buy in and place my bet. The cards start coming out, not in random order, but in some type or order that makes it readily apparent to an attentive observer that the game isn't fair and the cards come out in a predictable and repeatable pattern.
What are my legal obligations? Do I have an affirmative duty to immediately inform the casino that game isn't fair, and advantages the player? Must I immediately stop playing, so as to not be accused of cheating or otherwise have to forfeit my winnings?
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I am not your lawyer.
Some thoughts:
The casino often provides pencils and scorecards to baccarat players; this means that they want you to try and figure things out and make predictions about the next hand.
If the casino chooses to deal from stacked decks without shuffling, I think that is on them.
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I simple "I don't know" would've sufficed, but since you went there...
The article you posted, which I assume you read and am familiar with, states that the casino had a legal obligation under state law to provide a "fair game" and they did not. If the player discovers an unfair game, are they obligated to inform the casino? One judge said the game was valid, even though it wasn't fair. Another judge said the game was invalid because it wasn't fair. Then the case settled.
The question remains.
August 30th, 2025 at 5:27:49 AM
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That’s quite a journey you’ve had with baccarat, respect for the discipline to track everything in detail. Demo play like Wizard of Odds can be useful for practice, but the real table always brings in variance, emotions, and limits that demos can’t fully capture. Consistency and bankroll management will matter much more once you step in.
August 30th, 2025 at 5:45:01 AM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPh
Is it just not easy, or is it almost and practically impossible?
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https://ictnews.org/archive/atlantic-city-casino-sues-players-who-won-15-million-on-unshuffled-deck/
It is always good to keep an eye open for opportunity.
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Interesting story. There are conflicting reports that the casino agreed to pay the winnings, or that the judge ordered the winnings returned to the casino. Which leads me to a question:
Let's say the same situation happens again the next (first!) time I play baccarat. I sit down, buy in and place my bet. The cards start coming out, not in random order, but in some type or order that makes it readily apparent to an attentive observer that the game isn't fair and the cards come out in a predictable and repeatable pattern.
What are my legal obligations? Do I have an affirmative duty to immediately inform the casino that game isn't fair, and advantages the player? Must I immediately stop playing, so as to not be accused of cheating or otherwise have to forfeit my winnings?
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I am not your lawyer.
Some thoughts:
The casino often provides pencils and scorecards to baccarat players; this means that they want you to try and figure things out and make predictions about the next hand.
If the casino chooses to deal from stacked decks without shuffling, I think that is on them.
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I simple "I don't know" would've sufficed, but since you went there...
The article you posted, which I assume you read and am familiar with, states that the casino had a legal obligation under state law to provide a "fair game" and they did not. If the player discovers an unfair game, are they obligated to inform the casino? One judge said the game was valid, even though it wasn't fair. Another judge said the game was invalid because it wasn't fair. Then the case settled.
The question remains.
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The gaming commissions usually require the casinos to deal a fair game and redeem chips.
The laws usually prohibit players from cheating by past-posting (placing late bets) or moving cards from one hand to another (hand mucking).
I am not aware of a rule where the player is required to tell the house that the game is vulnerable.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 30th, 2025 at 7:36:43 AM
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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPh
Is it just not easy, or is it almost and practically impossible?
link to original post
https://ictnews.org/archive/atlantic-city-casino-sues-players-who-won-15-million-on-unshuffled-deck/
It is always good to keep an eye open for opportunity.
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Interesting story. There are conflicting reports that the casino agreed to pay the winnings, or that the judge ordered the winnings returned to the casino. Which leads me to a question:
Let's say the same situation happens again the next (first!) time I play baccarat. I sit down, buy in and place my bet. The cards start coming out, not in random order, but in some type or order that makes it readily apparent to an attentive observer that the game isn't fair and the cards come out in a predictable and repeatable pattern.
What are my legal obligations? Do I have an affirmative duty to immediately inform the casino that game isn't fair, and advantages the player? Must I immediately stop playing, so as to not be accused of cheating or otherwise have to forfeit my winnings?
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I am not your lawyer.
Some thoughts:
The casino often provides pencils and scorecards to baccarat players; this means that they want you to try and figure things out and make predictions about the next hand.
If the casino chooses to deal from stacked decks without shuffling, I think that is on them.
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I simple "I don't know" would've sufficed, but since you went there...
The article you posted, which I assume you read and am familiar with, states that the casino had a legal obligation under state law to provide a "fair game" and they did not. If the player discovers an unfair game, are they obligated to inform the casino? One judge said the game was valid, even though it wasn't fair. Another judge said the game was invalid because it wasn't fair. Then the case settled.
The question remains.
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We could do without your snooty replies.
August 30th, 2025 at 8:59:37 AM
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Quote: KevinAAQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPh
Is it just not easy, or is it almost and practically impossible?
link to original post
https://ictnews.org/archive/atlantic-city-casino-sues-players-who-won-15-million-on-unshuffled-deck/
It is always good to keep an eye open for opportunity.
link to original post
Interesting story. There are conflicting reports that the casino agreed to pay the winnings, or that the judge ordered the winnings returned to the casino. Which leads me to a question:
Let's say the same situation happens again the next (first!) time I play baccarat. I sit down, buy in and place my bet. The cards start coming out, not in random order, but in some type or order that makes it readily apparent to an attentive observer that the game isn't fair and the cards come out in a predictable and repeatable pattern.
What are my legal obligations? Do I have an affirmative duty to immediately inform the casino that game isn't fair, and advantages the player? Must I immediately stop playing, so as to not be accused of cheating or otherwise have to forfeit my winnings?
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I am not your lawyer.
Some thoughts:
The casino often provides pencils and scorecards to baccarat players; this means that they want you to try and figure things out and make predictions about the next hand.
If the casino chooses to deal from stacked decks without shuffling, I think that is on them.
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I simple "I don't know" would've sufficed, but since you went there...
The article you posted, which I assume you read and am familiar with, states that the casino had a legal obligation under state law to provide a "fair game" and they did not. If the player discovers an unfair game, are they obligated to inform the casino? One judge said the game was valid, even though it wasn't fair. Another judge said the game was invalid because it wasn't fair. Then the case settled.
The question remains.
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We could do without your snooty replies.
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We could, but nothing else got an answer to my question. I will, of course, file your objection in the appropriate place.
August 30th, 2025 at 3:32:49 PM
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I have something going on now. I can’t elaborate on the details but that’s what the casino told me, that I had an obligation to tell them per the terms and conditions.Quote: Dieter
The gaming commissions usually require the casinos to deal a fair game and redeem chips.
The laws usually prohibit players from cheating by past-posting (placing late bets) or moving cards from one hand to another (hand mucking).
I am not aware of a rule where the player is required to tell the house that the game is vulnerable.
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August 30th, 2025 at 4:01:32 PM
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Quote: SandybestdogI have something going on now. I can’t elaborate on the details but that’s what the casino told me, that I had an obligation to tell them per the terms and conditions.Quote: Dieter
The gaming commissions usually require the casinos to deal a fair game and redeem chips.
The laws usually prohibit players from cheating by past-posting (placing late bets) or moving cards from one hand to another (hand mucking).
I am not aware of a rule where the player is required to tell the house that the game is vulnerable.
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If you're ever able to talk, I'm fascinated to hear some of the story.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 31st, 2025 at 5:03:31 AM
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Quote: DieterQuote: SandybestdogI have something going on now. I can’t elaborate on the details but that’s what the casino told me, that I had an obligation to tell them per the terms and conditions.Quote: Dieter
The gaming commissions usually require the casinos to deal a fair game and redeem chips.
The laws usually prohibit players from cheating by past-posting (placing late bets) or moving cards from one hand to another (hand mucking).
I am not aware of a rule where the player is required to tell the house that the game is vulnerable.
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If you're ever able to talk, I'm fascinated to hear some of the story.
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Me, too! Also, I hope it works out in your favor…
I want to start wearing a T-shirt that reads, “Don’t feel sorry for me. I’m an AP!”
August 31st, 2025 at 9:48:33 AM
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Quote: ayla74108That’s quite a journey you’ve had with baccarat, respect for the discipline to track everything in detail. Demo play like Wizard of Odds can be useful for practice, but the real table always brings in variance, emotions, and limits that demos can’t fully capture. Consistency and bankroll management will matter much more once you step in.
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You have been randomly *ahem* selected for a soul check.
Alice likes to put cream in her coffee. What is Alice's name?
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"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
September 1st, 2025 at 3:56:57 AM
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Wizard, I've been wondering about your soul checks in this age of smarter robots. Google AI responded to your question with, "The riddle "Alice likes to put cream in her coffee. What is Alice's name?" is a trick question. Alice's name is Alice, and the rest of the sentence is irrelevant information meant to distract you from the obvious answer. "Quote: WizardQuote: ayla74108That’s quite a journey you’ve had with baccarat, respect for the discipline to track everything in detail. Demo play like Wizard of Odds can be useful for practice, but the real table always brings in variance, emotions, and limits that demos can’t fully capture. Consistency and bankroll management will matter much more once you step in.
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You have been randomly *ahem* selected for a soul check.
Alice likes to put cream in her coffee. What is Alice's name?
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Maybe what is more telling is the way a bot will 'just go away' , not actually interested in the topic. It is a puzzle to me why someone tests these things here Turing-wise
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 1st, 2025 at 5:17:46 AM
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Quote: WizardQuote: MDawg
You should be able to gain an advantage for most any card game if you are capable of tracking every card that has been played, and knowing every card that is left in the deck, and being able to process what that means for that particular game.
Also if you have a way of knowing, even rarely, what the first card coming out will be or even might be.
The latter is much more powerful in baccarat. If only it were easy to do.
the 2 links, one from the Wizard, and one from Eliot Jacobson, give more info on how to gain an edge when a card in positions one thru six is known
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/appendix/9/
https://www.888casino.com/blog/edge-sorting/baccarat-the-known-card#:~:text=The%20edges%20obtainable%20from%20a,Knowledge%20of%20card%205%3A%208.973%25
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 1st, 2025 at 6:37:10 AM
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To the OP, while Wizard thinks the app here works just fine, if we truly want to be 99% certain that your strategy has some how 'worked' in a consistent way, then you should try the same strat with another reputable Baccarat game mode and see if you get the same outcome as you did with Wiz's hosted game. Just in case there is some kind of weird bug that hasn't been caught. It's unlikely that same bug will span across two different created Baccarat games.
Baccarat(like BJ), in theory, can be beat if you have the patience to wait for a shoe to come into a positive count. Any game that isn't on a shuffle machine has some small potential for a patient gamer to make a fortune off of, just due to the way finite outcomes works in reality. In practice, you'd be at the casino at one table NOT playing for tens of hours a day, which no casino would allow you to do, but you'd also need at least 1 player playing during that time so they slowly work through a shoe.
Baccarat(like BJ), in theory, can be beat if you have the patience to wait for a shoe to come into a positive count. Any game that isn't on a shuffle machine has some small potential for a patient gamer to make a fortune off of, just due to the way finite outcomes works in reality. In practice, you'd be at the casino at one table NOT playing for tens of hours a day, which no casino would allow you to do, but you'd also need at least 1 player playing during that time so they slowly work through a shoe.
September 1st, 2025 at 9:24:38 AM
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I just had a hand where I knew the first card coming out the gate was an 8. I also knew that the deck composition coming had a lot of faces/tens (especially faces) been tracking everything. So I went to my special limit on that hand.
If you have a natural 8, already holding one, you should win approximately 81% of the time.
Sure enough I was dealt a face and an 8, a Natural 8 expecting to get paid. And then the dealer turned over a freakin' 7 and 2 for the Bank - that approximately 9% of the time that you lose to a 9 with a natural 8. Where was the face card for the Bank?? Similar thing happen to me several years ago, where I got the expected 8, lost to a 9, to the limit. In that case the face cards / tens came as expected but the dealer got a NINE and a face.
You remember those times.
"Few players recall big pots they have won, strange as it seems, but every player can remember with remarkable accuracy the outstanding tough beats of his career."
But, over time if you play hard on those advantage hands you will and do clean up.
Typically such "sure things" (that aren't always so sure) will come up different ways during a shoe, not always having to do with knowing what the first card will be, might just have to do with deck composition and what has come and what is left. You just have to hit each opportunity the same way, equally hard, can't let up, and over the course you should win.
Not for the weak at heart but plugging away, seizing every AP opportunity, does pay off. You do need the bankroll to survive the bad runs and I have had some huge losses on sessions before. For someone like me there are better, easier ways to make the big bucks but I get a bang out of beating the casino and getting comp'ed at the same time, it is a unique and special thrill and feeling.
If you have a natural 8, already holding one, you should win approximately 81% of the time.
Sure enough I was dealt a face and an 8, a Natural 8 expecting to get paid. And then the dealer turned over a freakin' 7 and 2 for the Bank - that approximately 9% of the time that you lose to a 9 with a natural 8. Where was the face card for the Bank?? Similar thing happen to me several years ago, where I got the expected 8, lost to a 9, to the limit. In that case the face cards / tens came as expected but the dealer got a NINE and a face.
You remember those times.
"Few players recall big pots they have won, strange as it seems, but every player can remember with remarkable accuracy the outstanding tough beats of his career."
But, over time if you play hard on those advantage hands you will and do clean up.
Typically such "sure things" (that aren't always so sure) will come up different ways during a shoe, not always having to do with knowing what the first card will be, might just have to do with deck composition and what has come and what is left. You just have to hit each opportunity the same way, equally hard, can't let up, and over the course you should win.
Not for the weak at heart but plugging away, seizing every AP opportunity, does pay off. You do need the bankroll to survive the bad runs and I have had some huge losses on sessions before. For someone like me there are better, easier ways to make the big bucks but I get a bang out of beating the casino and getting comp'ed at the same time, it is a unique and special thrill and feeling.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 1st, 2025 at 9:30:56 AM
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I highly doubt the game is flawed. It was created by the genius programmer JB. However, I am all the way confident the Martingale can't beat any game with a house edge. If you've beaten the WoO game, it's probably due to simple good luck and a small sample size.
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What has happened to AdministratorJP? JP has gone MiA since 2020 during the WuHan virus attacks , which killed 7 million people
September 1st, 2025 at 11:14:24 AM
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Quote: ArmageddenQuote: WizardQuote: BacaMacaNow I want to consider all factors before going to play, so please let me know is Baccarat beatable on Wizard Of Odds demo play?
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I highly doubt the game is flawed. It was created by the genius programmer JB. However, I am all the way confident the Martingale can't beat any game with a house edge. If you've beaten the WoO game, it's probably due to simple good luck and a small sample size.
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What has happened to AdministratorJP? JP has gone MiA since 2020 during the WuHan virus attacks , which killed 7 million people
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I don't think I saw JB online much since about 2014.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 1st, 2025 at 1:31:40 PM
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My suggestion for winning long-term in Baccarat is using progressive betting rather than martingale betting
Sometimes streaks go for 15 or 20 hands in a row and that is what this system targets
-Start with betting $100 on player
-Win $100, Balance $200
-Win $100, Balance $300
-Win $100, Balance $400... wow three player in a row
-Win $200, Balance $600
-Win $400, Balance $1000
-Win $800, Balance $1800
-Win $1000, Balance $2800
-Win $1000, Balance $3800... wow eight player streak I am rich
-Win $1000, Balance $4800
-Win $1500, Balance $6300
-Win $2000, Balance $8300
-Win $2000, Balance $10300
-Win $2000, Balance $123000
-Lose $2000, Balance $103000... wow that was what, thirteen in a row?
Sometimes streaks go for 15 or 20 hands in a row and that is what this system targets
-Start with betting $100 on player
-Win $100, Balance $200
-Win $100, Balance $300
-Win $100, Balance $400... wow three player in a row
-Win $200, Balance $600
-Win $400, Balance $1000
-Win $800, Balance $1800
-Win $1000, Balance $2800
-Win $1000, Balance $3800... wow eight player streak I am rich
-Win $1000, Balance $4800
-Win $1500, Balance $6300
-Win $2000, Balance $8300
-Win $2000, Balance $10300
-Win $2000, Balance $123000
-Lose $2000, Balance $103000... wow that was what, thirteen in a row?
September 1st, 2025 at 1:56:51 PM
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Quote: WizardQuote: ayla74108That’s quite a journey you’ve had with baccarat, respect for the discipline to track everything in detail. Demo play like Wizard of Odds can be useful for practice, but the real table always brings in variance, emotions, and limits that demos can’t fully capture. Consistency and bankroll management will matter much more once you step in.
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You have been randomly *ahem* selected for a soul check.
Alice likes to put cream in her coffee. What is Alice's name?
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Ann B. Davis?
Alice worked for a famous family, name them.
September 1st, 2025 at 2:06:34 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: DieterQuote: GenoDRPh
Is it just not easy, or is it almost and practically impossible?
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https://ictnews.org/archive/atlantic-city-casino-sues-players-who-won-15-million-on-unshuffled-deck/
It is always good to keep an eye open for opportunity.
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Interesting story. There are conflicting reports that the casino agreed to pay the winnings, or that the judge ordered the winnings returned to the casino. Which leads me to a question:
Let's say the same situation happens again the next (first!) time I play baccarat. I sit down, buy in and place my bet. The cards start coming out, not in random order, but in some type or order that makes it readily apparent to an attentive observer that the game isn't fair and the cards come out in a predictable and repeatable pattern.
What are my legal obligations? Do I have an affirmative duty to immediately inform the casino that game isn't fair, and advantages the player? Must I immediately stop playing, so as to not be accused of cheating or otherwise have to forfeit my winnings?
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I am not your lawyer.
Some thoughts:
The casino often provides pencils and scorecards to baccarat players; this means that they want you to try and figure things out and make predictions about the next hand.
If the casino chooses to deal from stacked decks without shuffling, I think that is on them.
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I simple "I don't know" would've sufficed, but since you went there...
The article you posted, which I assume you read and am familiar with, states that the casino had a legal obligation under state law to provide a "fair game" and they did not. If the player discovers an unfair game, are they obligated to inform the casino? One judge said the game was valid, even though it wasn't fair. Another judge said the game was invalid because it wasn't fair. Then the case settled.
The question remains.
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The gaming commissions usually require the casinos to deal a fair game and redeem chips.
The laws usually prohibit players from cheating by past-posting (placing late bets) or moving cards from one hand to another (hand mucking).
I am not aware of a rule where the player is required to tell the house that the game is vulnerable.
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Casino's never deal a fair game all their games are rigged. In a scenario where there is verbiage trying to obligate
you into telling them why they're making mistakes that favor you I would elect to play dumb.
September 2nd, 2025 at 9:14:17 AM
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Quote: ArmageddenWhat has happened to AdministratorJP? JP has gone MiA since 2020 during the WuHan virus attacks , which killed 7 million people
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I don't know what I'm at liberty to say, but I think he is okay and just lost interest in all things gambling.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
September 4th, 2025 at 10:08:26 AM
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I have been winning for a very long time in the Wiz's free bac game by combining a worthless betting system with a worthless bet selection system
exactly how I have done it:
D'Alembert system - initial bet $25 continue until then end of the shoe unless I lose at bet level $65 which means a large loss of usually about $350 at which time I end playing that shoe
I have increased or decreased my bet size by just $5.00 after each loss or win
Bet selection system: bet on the last result hoping for a long streak
the largest win for one shoe is usually around $225 - many smaller wins in between
not claiming it actually is a winning method - I just started doing it for fun
I guess I've just been lucky - but as I said I've been doing it for a very long time
I haven't kept exact stats on everything - playing this way I'm now up about $2,400
I've tried many different kinds of things on this game before and have never won like this - I've always lost
it's very surprising
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I have been winning for a very long time in the Wiz's free bac game by combining a worthless betting system with a worthless bet selection system
exactly how I have done it:
D'Alembert system - initial bet $25 continue until then end of the shoe unless I lose at bet level $65 which means a large loss of usually about $350 at which time I end playing that shoe
I have increased or decreased my bet size by just $5.00 after each loss or win
Bet selection system: bet on the last result hoping for a long streak
the largest win for one shoe is usually around $225 - many smaller wins in between
not claiming it actually is a winning method - I just started doing it for fun
I guess I've just been lucky - but as I said I've been doing it for a very long time
I haven't kept exact stats on everything - playing this way I'm now up about $2,400
I've tried many different kinds of things on this game before and have never won like this - I've always lost
it's very surprising
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 4th, 2025 at 10:17:14 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitMaybe what is more telling is the way a bot will 'just go away' , not actually interested in the topic. It is a puzzle to me why someone tests these things here Turing-wise
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I assume the point is to see if it is, in fact, someone who is merely interested in posting the minimum number of posts (I think it's 10 here) to be allowed to post links in threads. A person who is doing this probably isn't going to go back to their posts to see if there were any replies.
September 7th, 2025 at 1:47:43 PM
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I usually use a D'Alembert system when I play online. On the east coast we have regulated online casinos in addition to the sportsbooks. Not hawking it as positive by any means, but it's a very powerful system. If you can withstand the losing streaks you don't even have to get close to 50-50 winning hands to break even or win. I venture to say I'm up to probably a couple million hands of blackjack and baccarat played. Baccarat is without a doubt the devils game. The casinos have colluded with whoever and spread this conspiracy that the banker has a slight edge, so they charge a 5% commission. But the thing is the banker losses to the player like 4 out of 5 sessions. Even when it's close, it makes no sense to pay a commission on every winning had. So let's say you start off betting $10. Every win you go down $1 and every loss you go up $1. By the time you get to $20 (10 losses) you are losing more on the commission than you are making using the betting system ($1 per win). So almost every online session (500+ hands) the banker is losing by probably 15-30 hands. All the money you make from the system is just going to pay the commission. So if you're lucky you just break even. The system has worked much better with blackjack.
September 7th, 2025 at 4:56:42 PM
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AdminJP confirmed Patient Zero for novel wuhan-based SARS-like virus...Quote: WizardQuote: ArmageddenWhat has happened to AdministratorJP? JP has gone MiA since 2020 during the WuHan virus attacks , which killed 7 million people
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I don't know what I'm at liberty to say, but I think he is okay and just lost interest in all things gambling.
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The plot thickens.
