Dinosaur
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November 2nd, 2022 at 8:14:39 AM permalink
Need some advice.

Where I'm from, most sites offer a matched deposit bonus, up to $5000.(wagering requirements is between 20x / 25 x ). You get the picture, deposit $5000, they match $5000 = $10,000 x 25 =$250,000 wagering required.

I've actually managed to complete and withdraw the amount. But I almost lost it during the process.

I played roulette, bet on all street bets totaling $288.
I was playing on Evo speed auto roulette, it spins about 180 per hour, so I was able to complete in 6 hours.

I even tried 2 accounts, so one will bet on red and the other on black. I played the "Pass" and "Don't Pass" too, but it was taking too much time.

But I would like something more concrete and can be done in 24 hours (not the sites requirements tho).

Not forgetting to mention, I've tried it all, blackjack, sic bo, baccarat, dragon tiger they all kinda seem risky.
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November 2nd, 2022 at 8:36:45 AM permalink
Banker bet on baccarat has a lower edge and lower volatility than red/black on roulette. Start at the minimum, increase bet by 1 unit after any loss until you get a win, then restart at the minimum. It can be tedious to execute but should keep your bankroll fairly steady.
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November 2nd, 2022 at 1:54:52 PM permalink
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November 2nd, 2022 at 1:54:53 PM permalink
Quote: Dinosaur

Need some advice.

Where I'm from, most sites offer a matched deposit bonus, up to $5000.(wagering requirements is between 20x / 25 x ). You get the picture, deposit $5000, they match $5000 = $10,000 x 25 =$250,000 wagering required. (snip)
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First off, make sure you pick a game you can play fairly well/quickly, with a low house edge (so all "normal " forms of roulette and sic bo, should not be a consideration^^^).

^^^: ... and anything with a house edge greater than or equal to 2%, when wagering $10k x 25 (This figure assumes that my understanding of what a "matched deposit bonus*** " is).
***: Is the "deposit bonus" a "cashable one" see link here or something else?

Also, if you can play basic strategy well enough, blackjack is a fine choice too (I know you said something like "it seems kinda risky").

The other good thing about blackjack is that you can spread to more than one box, and you can "safely " bet more overall each round### .

###: By this I mean betting $100 on one box is about as "safe" as betting $150 on two boxes ($75 each box) or $180 on three boxes ($60 each box).
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November 2nd, 2022 at 6:17:08 PM permalink
Yes, it is a cashable bonus.

My first go-to game was blackjack due to odds, but I was having dealt a lot of bad hands, which wiped me out once.

I played with almost perfect basic strategy, even played with a manual card counting app. Still, it was considered "risky".

As for my betting, I keep it lower than $400 in overall bets.

Thanks for that link to the website, it has some good insights.
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November 2nd, 2022 at 7:54:33 PM permalink
Quote: Dinosaur

Need some advice.

Where I'm from, most sites offer a matched deposit bonus, up to $5000.(wagering requirements is between 20x / 25 x ). You get the picture, deposit $5000, they match $5000 = $10,000 x 25 =$250,000 wagering required.

I've actually managed to complete and withdraw the amount. But I almost lost it during the process.

I played roulette, bet on all street bets totaling $288.
I was playing on Evo speed auto roulette, it spins about 180 per hour, so I was able to complete in 6 hours.

I even tried 2 accounts, so one will bet on red and the other on black. I played the "Pass" and "Don't Pass" too, but it was taking too much time.

But I would like something more concrete and can be done in 24 hours (not the sites requirements tho).

Not forgetting to mention, I've tried it all, blackjack, sic bo, baccarat, dragon tiger they all kinda seem risky.
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What happens if you lose all your money before you complete the WRs, Do the WRs carry over? If not, a bet big win big or go home strategy might be your best value(assuming you will get future offers.)

Is that single or double-zero roulette? You certainly can't use off-setting wagers on roulette if you want to profit.
bet big win big or go home strategy on roulette would be an option.

Is it playable on VP?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 2nd, 2022 at 8:50:48 PM permalink
This is copied from Bovada it is typical rollover contributions

Slots, Specialty Games (unless stated otherwise) 100%
Table Games (unless stated otherwise) 20%
Video Poker (all types) & Blackjack (unless stated otherwise), Reels and Wheels XL 10%
Single Deck & Double Deck Blackjack, Roulette, Baccarat 5%
Craps, Live Dealer (all types), Hot Drop Jackpots (all games), Gold Rush Gus, ThunderCrash 0%

Are you saying this Casino lets you play Blackjack with a 100% Contribution?
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November 2nd, 2022 at 9:41:36 PM permalink
No, it's doesn't carry over. The thing is, I just wanna clear the WRs with minimum loss since I'm already in profit when they matched my deposit. It's a plus point if I profit.

It's a single zero roulette. As mentioned, I just wanna find the best way possible to clear the WRs. Offsetting bets are the best I can think off. But it obviously can't be opposite bets.

Sorry but what's VP? 😅
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November 2nd, 2022 at 9:49:41 PM permalink
Sorry I'm not from America, so I don't quite understand what you mean when you say 100% contribution.

If what you're referring to is, 100% contribution towards the wagering requirements, then yes, it's counted as so. All table games are 100%.

They have different categories for bonus.
(Casino)
Bonus Wagering Requirement
90% up to $50 10x (Deposit + Bonus)
100% up to $500 15x (Deposit + Bonus)
110% up to $5,000 25x (Deposit + Bonus)

(Slots)
100% up to $50 6x (Deposit + Bonus)
110% up to $500 12x (Deposit + Bonus)
120% up to $5,000 18x (Deposit + Bonus)
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November 2nd, 2022 at 11:50:24 PM permalink
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Sorry but what's VP? 😅
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Video Poker. 😏

Welcome to the forum.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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November 3rd, 2022 at 1:27:40 AM permalink
See if you can find a single zero roulette with La Partage rule. You'll probably find that the casino will not allow you to cover more than 24 numbers per spin.
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November 3rd, 2022 at 1:40:28 AM permalink
I'll try and find the roulette game you're recommending.

But no, the casino doesn't have such rules, only rules are, no opposite bets. So no betting on red and black and the same time, but covering all street bets are allowed.
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November 3rd, 2022 at 1:54:20 AM permalink
Quote: Dinosaur

Sorry I'm not from America, so I don't quite understand what you mean when you say 100% contribution.

If what you're referring to is, 100% contribution towards the wagering requirements, then yes, it's counted as so. All table games are 100%.

They have different categories for bonus.
(Casino)
Bonus Wagering Requirement
90% up to $50 10x (Deposit + Bonus)
100% up to $500 15x (Deposit + Bonus)
110% up to $5,000 25x (Deposit + Bonus)

(Slots)
100% up to $50 6x (Deposit + Bonus)
110% up to $500 12x (Deposit + Bonus)
120% up to $5,000 18x (Deposit + Bonus)
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If you can do all the different categories and it's a regulated casino, I would check to see if they have the RTP listed on slots. I would check to see if they have cash back from earning points and calculate the percentage on that. Some regulated casinos have a 97% payout on slots add another 1% in cash back and even the slots would be +EV. Assuming you just set up auto spin at a low bet amount, I would think with the number of spins it would take you should be close to expectation at the end. Perhaps a couple of grand in value from the 5k slot bonus. Auto spin = set it and forget it while you do other stuff. Sometimes you can play multiple slots at once as well.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 3rd, 2022 at 2:00:27 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

See if you can find a single zero roulette with La Partage rule. You'll probably find that the casino will not allow you to cover more than 24 numbers per spin.
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Am I missing something, even single zero roulette would be -EV.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 3rd, 2022 at 4:40:13 AM permalink
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Quote: Dinosaur

Sorry I'm not from America, so I don't quite understand what you mean when you say 100% contribution.

If what you're referring to is, 100% contribution towards the wagering requirements, then yes, it's counted as so. All table games are 100%.

They have different categories for bonus.
(Casino)
Bonus Wagering Requirement
90% up to $50 10x (Deposit + Bonus)
100% up to $500 15x (Deposit + Bonus)
110% up to $5,000 25x (Deposit + Bonus)

(Slots)
100% up to $50 6x (Deposit + Bonus)
110% up to $500 12x (Deposit + Bonus)
120% up to $5,000 18x (Deposit + Bonus)
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If you can do all the different categories and it's a regulated casino, I would check to see if they have the RTP listed on slots. I would check to see if they have cash back from earning points and calculate the percentage on that. Some regulated casinos have a 97% payout on slots add another 1% in cash back and even the slots would be +EV. Assuming you just set up auto spin at a low bet amount, I would think with the number of spins it would take you should be close to expectation at the end. Perhaps a couple of grand in value from the 5k slot bonus. Auto spin = set it and forget it while you do other stuff. Sometimes you can play multiple slots at once as well.
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I recently used a casino's live dealer carney games to beat wagering requirements. 96% RTP and easy to cover all options and auto play..
You just need to evaluate the EV from sacrificing 4% as many times as dictated by Wagering requirements. The live dealer carney games had 100% contribution, unlike the much lower contribution of table games.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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November 3rd, 2022 at 5:15:15 AM permalink
Most casinos have a max bet while using a bonus so make sure you check on this. If you go over they will not pay. Like Axel pointed out make sure they are regulated and have a good license.
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November 3rd, 2022 at 5:34:43 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Dinosaur

Sorry I'm not from America, so I don't quite understand what you mean when you say 100% contribution.

If what you're referring to is, 100% contribution towards the wagering requirements, then yes, it's counted as so. All table games are 100%.

They have different categories for bonus.
(Casino)
Bonus Wagering Requirement
90% up to $50 10x (Deposit + Bonus)
100% up to $500 15x (Deposit + Bonus)
110% up to $5,000 25x (Deposit + Bonus)

(Slots)
100% up to $50 6x (Deposit + Bonus)
110% up to $500 12x (Deposit + Bonus)
120% up to $5,000 18x (Deposit + Bonus)
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If you can do all the different categories and it's a regulated casino, I would check to see if they have the RTP listed on slots. I would check to see if they have cash back from earning points and calculate the percentage on that. Some regulated casinos have a 97% payout on slots add another 1% in cash back and even the slots would be +EV. Assuming you just set up auto spin at a low bet amount, I would think with the number of spins it would take you should be close to expectation at the end. Perhaps a couple of grand in value from the 5k slot bonus. Auto spin = set it and forget it while you do other stuff. Sometimes you can play multiple slots at once as well.
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I recently used a casino's live dealer carney games to beat wagering requirements. 96% RTP and easy to cover all options and auto play..
You just need to evaluate the EV from sacrificing 4% as many times as dictated by Wagering requirements. The live dealer carney games had 100% contribution, unlike the much lower contribution of table games.
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Yes, I understand this. But I'm talking about roulette specifically. I assume he would be depositing 5k and he would get $5500 extra(110%). That would be 25 x $10,500 = $262,500 in wagering at -2.7% = $7,087.5 for a loss of $1,587.5 Do you agree?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 3rd, 2022 at 8:01:52 PM permalink
I think it is -1.35% on even money bets with the La Partage rule OD mentioned.
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November 4th, 2022 at 1:44:53 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Dinosaur

Sorry I'm not from America, so I don't quite understand what you mean when you say 100% contribution.

If what you're referring to is, 100% contribution towards the wagering requirements, then yes, it's counted as so. All table games are 100%.

They have different categories for bonus.
(Casino)
Bonus Wagering Requirement
90% up to $50 10x (Deposit + Bonus)
100% up to $500 15x (Deposit + Bonus)
110% up to $5,000 25x (Deposit + Bonus)

(Slots)
100% up to $50 6x (Deposit + Bonus)
110% up to $500 12x (Deposit + Bonus)
120% up to $5,000 18x (Deposit + Bonus)
link to original post

If you can do all the different categories and it's a regulated casino, I would check to see if they have the RTP listed on slots. I would check to see if they have cash back from earning points and calculate the percentage on that. Some regulated casinos have a 97% payout on slots add another 1% in cash back and even the slots would be +EV. Assuming you just set up auto spin at a low bet amount, I would think with the number of spins it would take you should be close to expectation at the end. Perhaps a couple of grand in value from the 5k slot bonus. Auto spin = set it and forget it while you do other stuff. Sometimes you can play multiple slots at once as well.
link to original post


I recently used a casino's live dealer carney games to beat wagering requirements. 96% RTP and easy to cover all options and auto play..
You just need to evaluate the EV from sacrificing 4% as many times as dictated by Wagering requirements. The live dealer carney games had 100% contribution, unlike the much lower contribution of table games.
link to original post

Yes, I understand this. But I'm talking about roulette specifically. I assume he would be depositing 5k and he would get $5500 extra(110%). That would be 25 x $10,500 = $262,500 in wagering at -2.7% = $7,087.5 for a loss of $1,587.5 Do you agree?
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The math is sound. It looks like he could get a profit if he could find a la partege table.
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November 4th, 2022 at 3:45:46 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: OnceDear

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Dinosaur

Sorry I'm not from America, so I don't quite understand what you mean when you say 100% contribution.

If what you're referring to is, 100% contribution towards the wagering requirements, then yes, it's counted as so. All table games are 100%.

They have different categories for bonus.
(Casino)
Bonus Wagering Requirement
90% up to $50 10x (Deposit + Bonus)
100% up to $500 15x (Deposit + Bonus)
110% up to $5,000 25x (Deposit + Bonus)

(Slots)
100% up to $50 6x (Deposit + Bonus)
110% up to $500 12x (Deposit + Bonus)
120% up to $5,000 18x (Deposit + Bonus)
link to original post

If you can do all the different categories and it's a regulated casino, I would check to see if they have the RTP listed on slots. I would check to see if they have cash back from earning points and calculate the percentage on that. Some regulated casinos have a 97% payout on slots add another 1% in cash back and even the slots would be +EV. Assuming you just set up auto spin at a low bet amount, I would think with the number of spins it would take you should be close to expectation at the end. Perhaps a couple of grand in value from the 5k slot bonus. Auto spin = set it and forget it while you do other stuff. Sometimes you can play multiple slots at once as well.
link to original post


I recently used a casino's live dealer carney games to beat wagering requirements. 96% RTP and easy to cover all options and auto play..
You just need to evaluate the EV from sacrificing 4% as many times as dictated by Wagering requirements. The live dealer carney games had 100% contribution, unlike the much lower contribution of table games.
link to original post

Yes, I understand this. But I'm talking about roulette specifically. I assume he would be depositing 5k and he would get $5500 extra(110%). That would be 25 x $10,500 = $262,500 in wagering at -2.7% = $7,087.5 for a loss of $1,587.5 Do you agree?
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The math is sound. It looks like he could get a profit if he could find a la partege table.
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I miss read, I thought he said, "No."
When you asked him that. A -1.33% game would definitely be +EV.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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November 5th, 2022 at 11:54:16 PM permalink
I just checked out the site, and it does offer La Partege Roulette.

I'm going to give it a go for the next coming days. Will update here again.

Thanks everyone for contributing your ideas.
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