EvenBob

1) So, are we talking looking for say 4 red even low (or any combo of the even money bets) numbers in a row, and or something of the like, so you've observed a streak already and are now betting on the continuation of that streak?
2) Do you make only 1 even money bet at a time?
3) Is there a progression in the amount bet to ensure you achieve the 1 unit bet (say you missed the first one, you wait till you see another pattern and your new bet is different (per even money bet, bet you bet on)?
4) Do you ever decide that one dealer is just not "playing your game" and just wait for a shift change?

I've got a progression for winning up to 10+ times in a row on a 1 dozen bet. I'd have better luck hitting the #10 on craps 5 times on one shooter with a lower house edge.

just interested in EB's responses, to answer you though, if you're going to do that, why not BJ or at least Bacc Banker so you can have a lower edge?

The roulette machine has a $3 minimum, the Baccarat table is $50. So the HA on the Baccarat table minimum is about 3X the roulette machine minimum.

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Quote: vegas

Bob, when you find a trend (pattern), do you go with the trend or against it.

. The tendency of a pattern or a trend is to continue and not to end. , the whole point of a pattern or a trend is that it will continue for at least one or two more spins

I have a way to think about this and follow this great advice in case I get confused and it may be helpful to others

when playing roulette I always keep this in mind:




𝙏𝙃𝙀 .𝙏𝙍𝙀𝙉𝘿. 𝙄𝙎. 𝙔𝙊𝙐𝙍 . 𝙁𝙍𝙄𝙀𝙉𝘿




I know this is going to be very helpful to many people and please - there is no need to thank me

I like to help people - I do it out of the kindness in my heart



many will say it could not possibly be that easy
but the ease of use is what makes the winning system so effective
why twist your brain into knots with something complicated




just think it over for a minute before you reject it out of hand

the Roulette Wheel knows if it came 5 times in a row red

it now 𝙤𝙗𝙫𝙞𝙤𝙪𝙨𝙡𝙮 wants to come Red for a sixth time


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Quote: Talldude90

1) So, are we talking looking for say 4 red even low (or any combo of the even money bets) numbers in a row, and or something of the like, so you've observed a streak already and are now betting on the continuation of that streak?
2) Do you make only 1 even money bet at a time?
3) Is there a progression in the amount bet to ensure you achieve the 1 unit bet (say you missed the first one, you wait till you see another pattern and your new bet is different (per even money bet, bet you bet on)?
4) Do you ever decide that one dealer is just not "playing your game" and just wait for a shift change?
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I only bet on one even chance at a time. I never use progressions under any circumstances because I don't need to. The dealers have nothing to do with the outcomes unless you get one who's good at hitting the zeros which unfortunately I see more often than I'd like online.

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𝙏𝙃𝙀 .𝙏𝙍𝙀𝙉𝘿. 𝙄𝙎. 𝙔𝙊𝙐𝙍 . 𝙁𝙍𝙄𝙀𝙉𝘿
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but it's true, the trend is your friend. If you bet with the trend you can only lose once. If you bet against the trend you can lose many times. The best thing to do is bet once when you feel fairly certain the trend is not about to end. Nothing in roulette is a sure thing, everything could change with the next spin. But it does go in and out of phases where it can be dependable to make a couple of units. Like I said there's a guy another forum that I respect who's been playing for a long long time and he claims that at times roulette is almost predictable. I don't like that word, I prefer to say it could be exploited with educated guessing.

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There might be some variations of table games that end up somehow creating slot machine like payoffs, but a table game in a brick and mortar casino is a table game and no W-2G will be issued for it.

Put it this way - who on here has played blackjack or roulette or baccarat online and received a W-2G ? Again, if W-2Gs are being handed out for online table games, then something is going on of which I am not aware.
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. There are side bets on table games which can generate W2G’s.
Not relevant to tuttigyms post which is not relevant (and wrong) to the general discussion.

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𝙏𝙃𝙀 .𝙏𝙍𝙀𝙉𝘿. 𝙄𝙎. 𝙔𝙊𝙐𝙍 . 𝙁𝙍𝙄𝙀𝙉𝘿
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but it's true, the trend is your friend. If you bet with the trend you can only lose once. If you bet against the trend you can lose many times. The best thing to do is bet once when you feel fairly certain the trend is not about to end. Nothing in roulette is a sure thing, everything could change with the next spin. But it does go in and out of phases where it can be dependable to make a couple of units. Like I said there's a guy another forum that I respect who's been playing for a long long time and he claims that at times roulette is almost predictable. I don't like that word, I prefer to say it could be exploited with educated guessing.
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So EB is just using a streak pattern to decide his bets.

He only bets once if he wins

He bets more than once if he loses but by waiting apparently for another streak to present itself (I would consider that actually a losing session followed by a winning session but EB apparently wants to claim 100% profit so when he loses, if it takes 24 hours to see another pattern that is just a session continuation. The flaw of course is that when he wins one unit and bets on a streak just one hour later he calls that a new session).

This system is no different than someone who patiently waited for a repeater street((say 17, 17) and then bets everything except the 17 street. The idea being there won't be three spins in a row from the same street. It will appear for a long time to work but eventually you run into multiple repeats.

I can tell everyone from experience this is a deceptive but losing strategy. There are streaks in roulette and I did follow them. You will have long winning cycles. You will feel like you found the holy grail

Then suddenly the winning stops. What really is destructive is that because it worked for a few weeks or months, you now have developed absolute faith in your streak pattern (witness EB) and so you don't stop.

After all, your system has worked fine up til now, why would it stop? And if it turned around once it will turn again. Maybe it does but not as long as before. And slowly all your winning gets whittled down until you suddenly find yourself negative.

EB won't give up now until he is broke. Ironically when he eventually goes broke, maybe he will look back at this thread and see my post he blocked and say, damn that Darkoz knew what he was talking about.

It will be too late by then.

Now, I had been content to just sit and watch this $#!+ show with my bag of popcorn, but I couldn't let this one go.

Quote: EvenBob

The average number of bets it takes to win one unit is one bet. If I lose I almost always win it on the 3rd bet. If that turns out to be a zero or I'm wrong again by the fifth bet I'm almost always one unit ahead. The maximum number of bets in an online casino so far has been 7 but that's because I got three zeros which is really unusual.
I can see the patterns in all roulette outcomes from a real wheel no matter where they come from
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Bob, do you realize that your first two sentences are 100% contradictory? If you ever need a 3rd bet to win one unit, the average number of bets can never be one. NEVER.

BTW, it's obvious that the reason for this thread is the same as the kid who stirs the ant mound with a stick just to see all those little ants go crazy. Well, congrats, Bob. Today, you have compelled me to be one of your ants! Take a bow!

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Now, I had been content to just sit and watch this $#!+ show with my bag of popcorn, but I couldn't let this one go.

Quote: EvenBob

The average number of bets it takes to win one unit is one bet. If I lose I almost always win it on the 3rd bet. If that turns out to be a zero or I'm wrong again by the fifth bet I'm almost always one unit ahead. The maximum number of bets in an online casino so far has been 7 but that's because I got three zeros which is really unusual.
I can see the patterns in all roulette outcomes from a real wheel no matter where they come from
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Bob, do you realize that your first two sentences are 100% contradictory? If you ever need a 3rd bet to win one unit, the average number of bets can never be one. NEVER.

BTW, it's obvious that the reason for this thread is the same as the kid who stirs the ant mound with a stick just to see all those little ants go crazy. Well, congrats, Bob. Today, you have compelled me to be one of your ants! Take a bow!
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EB has already said he doesn't care about math.

Quote: darkoz

Personally I suspect it's less based on the law and more on programming and tradition.

The Casinos just hire programming experts who have worked with slots for decades to install these systems. When asked how to handle the tax issue they probably just said, "it looks like a slot (has card readers for rewards, electronic digital screen, every transaction is logged etc), so let's just program it the way we know.

I can see yet other executive's saying let's not get in trouble with tax issues. We will deduct and report and let the players deal with it
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In some jurisdictions all electronic games will issue a W2G for wins of $1200. That is why many online sites give them because online gaming is an electronic device. It is not that table games don't give W2G's, it is generally that non-electronic games don't give them (obviously there are exceptions).

Quote: EvenBob

You come to that conclusion because you don't have all the facts. Working with the facts you have you are right it's impossible. But that's because you don't know how I arrive at my decisions.
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It is completely irrelevant how you arrive at your decisions, whether you flip a coin or throw a bunch of chicken bones on the floor. The odds of hitting any given even money wager at Roulette is 47.37%. Period. The end. That is a mathematical fact. Your system is nonsense.

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I can see the patterns in all roulette outcomes from a real wheel no matter where they come from
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LOL... Sure, Jan...

Quote: EvenBob

I think I do know what my edge is but I'm reluctant to say it because the last time I did it I was told it was wrong and in a big argument ensued among a couple of people as to how to figure out the edge. So I don't get involved in that. I think I know what it is and that's good enough for me.
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I know what your edge is... You're playing Double 0 Roulette, so your edge is -5.26%.

Quote: darkoz

That you guys can't understand what he is doing at this point is pitiable.

He is simply streak betting!!! For one unit profit at a time.
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Dude, I think we all figured that out on page one. Nothing wrong with streak betting; I do it myself at Baccarat and Roulette. What is ridiculous is that he is claiming he can win 100% of the time with mathematically impossible odds.

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Quote: EvenBob

You come to that conclusion because you don't have all the facts. Working with the facts you have you are right it's impossible. But that's because you don't know how I arrive at my decisions.
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It is completely irrelevant how you arrive at your decisions, whether you flip a coin or throw a bunch of chicken bones on the floor. The odds of hitting any given even money wager at Roulette is 47.37%. Period. The end. That is a mathematical fact. Your system is nonsense.

Quote: EvenBob

I can see the patterns in all roulette outcomes from a real wheel no matter where they come from
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LOL... Sure, Jan...

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I think I do know what my edge is but I'm reluctant to say it because the last time I did it I was told it was wrong and in a big argument ensued among a couple of people as to how to figure out the edge. So I don't get involved in that. I think I know what it is and that's good enough for me.
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I know what your edge is... You're playing Double 0 Roulette, so your edge is -5.26%.

Quote: darkoz

That you guys can't understand what he is doing at this point is pitiable.

He is simply streak betting!!! For one unit profit at a time.
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Dude, I think we all figured that out on page one. Nothing wrong with streak betting; I do it myself at Baccarat and Roulette. What is ridiculous is that he is claiming he can win 100% of the time with mathematically impossible odds.
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Agreed.

I suspect EB has for twelve years read all the AP threads and fantasized about how he too could beat the Casinos and not really understanding AP methods he came up with this fantasy scenario.

The fantasy of never being beat! Not even one time! That's not what AP is about although I understand it looks that way to outsiders.

BTW, even James Bond has lost a game or two (read Casino Royale) and even James Bond has gotten killed (read For Russia With Love)

EDIT: Most people "feel like James Bond" when they best the Casinos or fantasize about it which is why I brought up James Bond

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It is completely irrelevant how you arrive at your decisions, whether you flip a coin or throw a bunch of chicken bones on the floor.
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Not only is bet selection totally relevant it's the only thing that is relevant. Without proper bet selection you're never going to win consistently.

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Nothing wrong with streak betting; I do it myself at Baccarat and Roulette.

I very seldom bet on streaks, there are too many other things that are better. But a streak is a trend and it's a pattern and it is odd that you think that's okay to bet on but any other trend or pattern is a waste of time. Streaks are easy because they're right there in your face you don't have to even have to watch for them. It involves almost no thinking unlike actually looking for other patterns. That's why nobody is interested in this way of playing it's too much work and gamblers are inherently lazy they want something for nothing that's why they gamble. They want a totally rule-based system that does all the work for them.

Quote: EvenBob

Not only is bet selection totally relevant it's the only thing that is relevant. Without proper bet selection you're never going to win consistently.

You're not going to win consistently at Roulette. The end.

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That's why nobody is interested in this way of playing......
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WHAT way of playing?!? You STILL haven't told us what your "system" is. You just keep saying "I look for patterns." WHAT patterns? Describe, in detail, down to every last observation and bet, what a complete Roulette session entails for you. Just one session. Describe just one pattern. You haven't even done that in 37 pages. And I suspect you never will because it will reveal your entire method is bogus and you're doing nothing but betting on streaks and trends. Just one session. One pattern. I DARE you.

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Quote: TigerWu

It is completely irrelevant how you arrive at your decisions, whether you flip a coin or throw a bunch of chicken bones on the floor.
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Not only is bet selection totally relevant it's the only thing that is relevant. Without proper bet selection you're never going to win consistently.

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Nothing wrong with streak betting; I do it myself at Baccarat and Roulette.

I very seldom bet on streaks, there are too many other things that are better. But a streak is a trend and it's a pattern and it is odd that you think that's okay to bet on but any other trend or pattern he is a waste of time. Streaks are easy because they're right there in your face you don't have to even have to watch for them. It involves almost no thinking unlike actually looking for other patterns. That's why nobody is interested in this way of playing it's too much work and gamblers are inherently lazy they want something for nothing that's why they gamble. They want a totally rule-based system that does all the work for them.
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Maybe you should consider getting over yourself and giving a bit more credit to other people who have studied games (your game) way more consistently and scientifically than you'll ever be able to.

At this point the whole method could be EB orders a subway sandwich and if he sees a lot of red peppers he bets red and if he sees a lot of black peppers he bets black and if he counts an odd number of pickles it's odd.

He sees the patterns.

We are all just young grasshoppers trying to snatch the pebble from his hand.

Why is this thread continuing? There is nothing to discuss here until EB reveals his bets and how he decides to make them.

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Why is this thread continuing? There is nothing to discuss here until EB reveals his bets and how he decides to make them.
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The same reason you are here.

We are all chuckling at the guy who claims to be chuckling.

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Quote: AlanMendelson

Why is this thread continuing? There is nothing to discuss here until EB reveals his bets and how he decides to make them.
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The same reason you are here.

We are all chuckling at the guy who claims to be chuckling.
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I'm here waiting for EB to tell us something. Not to talk theory about some nebulous comments he made.

I'm surprised that the mods have been strangely silent in this thread and that it has gone on for so long. Usually when someone shows up and claims to have an unbeatable system where they can never lose and yet refuse to show proof, they get banned, right? And for Roulette, of all games... This isn't even something where you could potentially have an edge, like blackjack or poker. It's just completely made up B.S.... LOL...

Quote: darkoz

EB has already said he doesn't care about math.

Why then should we who understand the application of math and gambling give a rat's patooie about what he says?

Oh yeah, entertainment value.

Cheaper than cable and funnier than hell.

Long time forum rats will know EB has provided DECADES of unintentional comedy, first as "Spike," now as "Even Bob."

A seemingly misanthropic recluse who has convinced himself he can turn a massively -EV game into a +EV ATM via divination.

Quote: TigerWu

I'm surprised that the mods have been strangely silent in this thread and that it has gone on for so long.
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I know I am still trying to discern certain patterns.
I have to fundamentally agree that placing bets that win is a good scheme.

Welcome back, EvenBob.

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I DARE you.
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That's easy I thought you were going to ask something hard. Last night is a good example. I logged into Golden Nugget not even writing anything down I noticed right away that red and black we're forming what I call a block pattern. That is where the singles are sleeping. A block pattern might look like this BBBRRBBBBRRRBB Etc. This happens all the time in the even chances and can end right away or can go on for quite a while. In this case the pattern was made up entirely of black even numbers and red odd numbers and this is not unusual either out of the 36 numbers on the Wheel 20 of them are black even or red odd Now I got in on this when only four blocks had appeared, red red red black black red red black black black all black even and red odd numbers. So two things are sleeping here the 16 numbers that are not black even and not red odd are sleeping and so are the singles. For me this is an indication that this block pattern is not going to end right away, hopefully. You can never lose sight of the fact that rounded off without the zeros there is always a 50-50 chance the next spin will be the opposite of one of the you're betting. I know I know it's less than that because of the zeros I am rounding it off just for argument's sake so don't get your panties in a bunch. From my observation of this over a period of many years now this is a good bet and it turns out it was good because I made my one unit. I waite.d for the next single to appear and bet the next outcome would be the same color and it was. And the block pattern went on for eight more spins. But I didn't care cuz my goal is one unit. It started incorporating some black odd and red even numbers but 2 singles in a row didn't show up for 8 more spins to end the block pattern. If this block pattern had had six or seven blocks to it when I first noticed it I probably would not have bet because it's getting too long in the tooth, it's been around too long and will probably end soon. But it only had four blocks which I hoped meant it was more in the middle of its longevity and I was correct.

This could have easily ended when I made my bet and sometimes it does. But through a vast amount of experience I took a chance and made an educated guess that this is probably not going to end. Now multiply this scenario times 15 or 20 other pattern trends that I try and find and you will have a method and a strategy for winning more than you lose. Oh Bob Oh Bob you will now say, I took your block pattern and ran it through a simulation a million times and guess what Bob? It came up 50 50. No kidding, ya thank? Just as many wins as losses. The trick is having enough experience to know when there's a good chance a pattern will continue. When there's only a 50-50 chance mathematically that it can continue. Confused yet? I'm sure the math people are pulling their hair out and screaming at their computers. You have to ignore the long-term and only concentrate on the extreme short-term. In the extreme short-term long-term statistics are useless and meaningless because in the extreme short-term anything can happen. Absolutely anything and that's where your mind has to be. If you are bogged down with statistics you are never going to get anywhere.

Now I broke a tradition and I did not virtually bet first because sometimes things can look really good and they aren't and virtual betting will show you when they aren't. But this situation was a double whammy you had a block pattern made up entirely black even and red odd numbers. And I know from lots of experience the black even and red odd often appear in clumps, it's uncanny sometimes. So I took a chance that this was one of those times they would continue clumping. If they had not it would not have surprised me, but it certainly did not surprise me that I won. I'm sure nobody here cares or realizes how long it took me to figure this out and I just gave it to you for nothing. But I'm sure a lot of you probably most of you will think I didn't give you anything except a bunch of crap that is useless because you can't see the forest for the trees. And that's fine, I will be totally surprised if it went any other way. But there are a couple of you here who will probably look into this and when you do we'll never hear from you because you'll go holy crap, I can win playing this way. And you'll want to keep it totally to yourself.

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Quote: EvenBob

You come to that conclusion because you don't have all the facts. Working with the facts you have you are right it's impossible. But that's because you don't know how I arrive at my decisions.
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It is completely irrelevant how you arrive at your decisions, whether you flip a coin or throw a bunch of chicken bones on the floor. The odds of hitting any given even money wager at Roulette is 47.37%. Period. The end. That is a mathematical fact. Your system is nonsense.

Quote: EvenBob

I can see the patterns in all roulette outcomes from a real wheel no matter where they come from
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LOL... Sure, Jan...

Quote: EvenBob

I think I do know what my edge is but I'm reluctant to say it because the last time I did it I was told it was wrong and in a big argument ensued among a couple of people as to how to figure out the edge. So I don't get involved in that. I think I know what it is and that's good enough for me.
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I know what your edge is... You're playing Double 0 Roulette, so your edge is -5.26%.

Quote: darkoz

That you guys can't understand what he is doing at this point is pitiable.

He is simply streak betting!!! For one unit profit at a time.
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Dude, I think we all figured that out on page one. Nothing wrong with streak betting; I do it myself at Baccarat and Roulette. What is ridiculous is that he is claiming he can win 100% of the time with mathematically impossible odds.
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Agreed.

I suspect EB has for twelve years read all the AP threads and fantasized about how he too could beat the Casinos and not really understanding AP methods he came up with this fantasy scenario.

The fantasy of never being beat! Not even one time! That's not what AP is about although I understand it looks that way to outsiders.

BTW, even James Bond has lost a game or two (read Casino Royale) and even James Bond has gotten killed (read For Russia With Love)

EDIT: Most people "feel like James Bond" when they best the Casinos or fantasize about it which is why I brought up James Bond
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That is a good example.

James Bond (at least in the novels) was also a huge proponent of betting systems for roulette. He had one that was a single flat bet, that you do once a day (before dinner) where the "hit rate" was about 70% (guessing from what I recall of it) and just one hit would pay for your dinner for the evening (IE meeting your daily goal), of course he never contemplated the losing side.



£14 on 19 – 36
£5 on the Line bet 13-14-15-16-17-18
£1 on 0
https://www.roulettesites.org/strategies/james-bond/
(I am too lazy right now to look at the books to see if this is accurate, but this sounds right).
Such flat bets will hit most spins, but on the spins where they miss you lose. So they are not long term winning systems.

Thanks EvenBob for describing what you've been talking about, math or no math I appreciate the sharing.

I do know that you can calculate the expectation of seeing a certain pattern happen, and if it continues or not is not dependent on if it just happened.

I wonder if there is something in how the roulette dealer (as long as it's a live game) does his timing / spin / throw that they sometimes get into rhythms that make the short term more likely to end up in a type of pattern (till they realize and try to do something a little different to throw it off). Of course it's not supposed to be that way, and I'm sure that they train them to not have that happen (iirc some one said they aren't supposed to even look at the wheel). But when there is a human component, I could see it be possible that in very small circumstances that it could happen (that someone who has played for decades might be able to spot). I would love to have some data from live tables to check against, because your right, doing it on a random number generator would not produce an advantage.

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I wonder if there is something in how the roulette dealer (as long as it's a live game) does his timing / spin / throw that they sometimes get into rhythms that make the short term more likely to end up in a type of pattern (till they realize and try to do something a little different to throw it off).
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The dealer has very little to do with where the ball ends up on the wheel. The best you can do is try section shootinh which does not affect trends and patterns at all. When a ball hits one of the frets on the wheel it goes into a bounce that nobody can control. Sometimes it even bounces completely out of the wheel. Dealers could be trained monkeys they would throw exactly the same results as a human does

I didn't realize Bob was using the block pattern, that explains it all. How dare you guys doubt his method.

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I didn't realize Bob was using the block pattern, that explains it all. How dare you guys doubt his method.
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So cynical for one so young!

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That's easy I thought you were going to ask something hard. Last night is a good example. I logged into Golden Nugget not even writing anything down I noticed right away that red and black we're forming what I call a block pattern. That is where the singles are sleeping. A block pattern might look like this BBBRRBBBBRRRBB Etc.

You really have to know what you're doing to play this on line because at the Evolution and Playtech platforms you only have 20 seconds in between bets, 20 seconds to see the bet and make the bet. Bovada gives you 40 seconds in between spins but they only provide 50 spins an hour which is not bad but it's not 90. In a brick-and-mortar casino you have all the time in the world in between spins so I can follow a lot more even chance outcomes and see a lot more bets but there you're only limited to 25 or 30 spins an hour. I saw this block pattern and what it was doing and what it was made up of immediately and acted on it. If I had to take the time to figure it out it would have taken two or three spins and by then it might have been too late. Brick-and-mortar Casino you can look at a lot more options figure out your bet and take a nap in between spins sometimes. But it is slow as molasses play and the hit rate is much lower than 80%.

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I didn't realize Bob was using the block pattern, that explains it all. How dare you guys doubt his method.
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The only block you are familiar with is that Tater Tots sometimes come in a frozen block and they won't fit in your microwave until you break them apart with a ice pick.

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Quote: DRich

I didn't realize Bob was using the block pattern, that explains it all. How dare you guys doubt his method.
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The only block you are familiar with is that Tater Tots sometimes come in a frozen block and they won't fit in your microwave until you break them apart with a ice pick.
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Where do you buy your Tater Tots?

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Quote: DRich

I didn't realize Bob was using the block pattern, that explains it all. How dare you guys doubt his method.
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So cynical for one so young!
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Young? This is 2022 not 1992..

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Where do you buy your Tater Tots?
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If a big 2 lb bag thaws out a little and you stuff it back into a square space in your freezer you're going to end up with a frozen square block of tater tots.

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Quote: DRich

Where do you buy your Tater Tots?
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If a big 2 lb bag thaws out a little and you stuff it back into a square space in your freezer you're going to end up with a frozen square block of tater tots.
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If I take them out of the freezer, I cook them. I don't put them back in the freezer. One bag of Tater tots equals three meals for me.

I haven't read the last few pages, but I have a question for Bob and or anyone else that believes they can detect patterns and know when to bet.


Wouldn't a computer program or AI be able to do the same thing? I havr to imagine it would do a much better job than any human would.

Quote: AxelWolf

Wouldn't a computer program or AI be able to do the same thing? I havr to imagine it would do a much better job than any human would.
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Programming it would be a problem because so much of this is subjective. The example I gave was not really subjective at all but a lot of them are subjective and how would you teach a computer to do that. I know somebody that does this type of method and he is also a programmer he doesn't think he can do it. He said it would take so long that he doesn't know if it would be worth it. Because what you see this time going on might not be working that's why you virtually bet. A computer is more like A happens and B happens so you bet on C. It doesn't work like that.

i'm getting at the fact that the "seed" for the random number generator is a human and could unintentionally be too consistent.

Keep in mind I'm no roulette pro.

My only roulette system back when i first started out was one spin, just before leaving the casino: if i was ahead (under a double up on whatever game i was playing) I would bet the winnings on red/black, if i was under what i came in with i would bet it all on red/black. That way a little under half the time i was about even, a little under a quarter i was 0 and sometimes i would be doubled up. Just made it more fun for me. Again i was playing low stakes and figured the money i brought was as good as gone when i took it in with me.

All that to say I dont have the experience or knowledge to be trying to "nail you down" to anything. I do understand statistics and math decently well, but that's about it.

Thanks to EB for giving a specific example of what he does; how he picks an ‘even chance’ bet to wager on.

As I said before, you either believe that past spins have no influence on the next spin, or past spins (and their patterns) do somehow have influence on the next spin.

I do not believe EB after watching a bunch of spins can predict with 80% certainty the next spin. He says he can.

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i'm getting at the fact that the "seed" for the random number generator is a human and could unintentionally be too consistent.
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This brings up a question:
Are these manual wheels (with a human dealer), or auto-launch wheels?

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I have said this many many many times in the that past spins can have absolutely no physical influence on future spins. Every outcome is a unique event, the roulette wheel basically resets after every spin. So there is absolutely no physical connection from one spin to the next they are totally independent. Past spins however can influence your opinion of what might happen in future spins. Let me give you an extreme example. The wheel just produced 25 Reds in a row. Would black be a good bet at this point even though these are independent events and theoretically the next hundred spins could all be red. Of course black would be a good bet because from personal experience we already know that 25 Reds in a row is a huge anomaly. You can go your entire life and not see it. So why is it okay in that situation to use your experience and knowledge to make a bet but not okay at any other time,

We all know that patterns and trends appear to happen with random outcomes in games of chance. We've all seen it. Every trend and every pattern has a beginning a middle and an the end. This is an inarguable fact. Why is it so strange to think there might be clues that tell us this might be a trend or pattern that could be good for one more spin. Based on our experience with studying outcomes sometimes we can spot clues that this pattern or trend might not end on the next spin. This does not happen a lot, as I've said I can go in entire day seeing patterns and trends online and not see a single opportunity to bet because I'm not seeing any clues. At other times it's a bonanza all I see is clues. This is because the outcomes occur in phases sometimes they produce chaos or what appears to be chaos and at other times it seems to produce patterns and trends that can be exploited. In actuality it's all chaos it's just that our pattern-seeking brains choose to think they see patterns and trends.

Not everybody can do this. I have had people who I tried to show this to and they could not see the trend or pattern and I have read that this is true. Ever see those picture puzzles in the back of magazines where it says find the old man's face in a tree? And once you find the face you cannot unsee it. There are people who cannot do this even if you show them the face they can't see the face. They don't know why put some people's brains are just wired differently. Luckily I'm very good at seeing patterns and I think most people are. Seeing patterns is what sets us apart from the animals and why we are able to advance technologically.

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Are these manual wheels (with a human dealer), or auto-launch wheels?
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I never play anything that does not have a human dealer because anything else is way too unreliable. An auto launch wheel is easily rigged and it's not illegal to do so. They just list it with the state as a slot machine so the same rules apply to it that apply to slot machines. The auto Wheels can be programmed to only pay out a certain percentage just like a slot machine does. They do it by manipulating where the ball lands on the Wheel by controlling the speed of the wheel in the speed at which the ball is released they can place the ball anywhere they want. And they don't have to tell you they are doing this. I remember when these Auto Wheels first came out roulette players were very excited for a while. They soon realized that something was wrong and the wheel was not acting like a human dealer wheel acts. Your average ploppy could never tell the difference but experienced roulette players figured it out pretty fast. A dead giveaway is if you win more than $1,200 on a spin you get paid in cash by the casino just like you do with a slot machine. And you have to fill out the paperwork which never happens on a regular roulette wheel. You get paid at the cage just like everybody else.

Thanks. Sorry if I missed where you said it earlier.

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Wouldn't a computer program or AI be able to do the same thing? I havr to imagine it would do a much better job than any human would.
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Programming it would be a problem because so much of this is subjective. The example I gave was not really subjective at all but a lot of them are subjective and how would you teach a computer to do that. I know somebody that does this type of method and he is also a programmer he doesn't think he can do it. He said it would take so long that he doesn't know if it would be worth it. Because what you see this time going on might not be working that's why you virtually bet. A computer is more like A happens and B happens so you bet on C. It doesn't work like that.
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Is "subjective" like junk in, junk out?

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I DARE you.
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That's easy I thought you were going to ask something hard. Last night is a good example. I logged into Golden Nugget not even writing anything down I noticed right away that red and black we're forming what I call a block pattern. That is where the singles are sleeping. A block pattern might look like this BBBRRBBBBRRRBB Etc. This happens all the time in the even chances and can end right away or can go on for quite a while. In this case the pattern was made up entirely of black even numbers and red odd numbers and this is not unusual either out of the 36 numbers on the Wheel 20 of them are black even or red odd Now I got in on this when only four blocks had appeared, red red red black black red red black black black all black even and red odd numbers. So two things are sleeping here the 16 numbers that are not black even and not red odd are sleeping and so are the singles. For me this is an indication that this block pattern is not going to end right away, hopefully. You can never lose sight of the fact that rounded off without the zeros there is always a 50-50 chance the next spin will be the opposite of one of the you're betting. I know I know it's less than that because of the zeros I am rounding it off just for argument's sake so don't get your panties in a bunch. From my observation of this over a period of many years now this is a good bet and it turns out it was good because I made my one unit. I waite.d for the next single to appear and bet the next outcome would be the same color and it was. And the block pattern went on for eight more spins. But I didn't care cuz my goal is one unit. It started incorporating some black odd and red even numbers but 2 singles in a row didn't show up for 8 more spins to end the block pattern. If this block pattern had had six or seven blocks to it when I first noticed it I probably would not have bet because it's getting too long in the tooth, it's been around too long and will probably end soon. But it only had four blocks which I hoped meant it was more in the middle of its longevity and I was correct.

This could have easily ended when I made my bet and sometimes it does. But through a vast amount of experience I took a chance and made an educated guess that this is probably not going to end. Now multiply this scenario times 15 or 20 other pattern trends that I try and find and you will have a method and a strategy for winning more than you lose. Oh Bob Oh Bob you will now say, I took your block pattern and ran it through a simulation a million times and guess what Bob? It came up 50 50. No kidding, ya thank? Just as many wins as losses. The trick is having enough experience to know when there's a good chance a pattern will continue. When there's only a 50-50 chance mathematically that it can continue. Confused yet? I'm sure the math people are pulling their hair out and screaming at their computers. You have to ignore the long-term and only concentrate on the extreme short-term. In the extreme short-term long-term statistics are useless and meaningless because in the extreme short-term anything can happen. Absolutely anything and that's where your mind has to be. If you are bogged down with statistics you are never going to get anywhere.

Now I broke a tradition and I did not virtually bet first because sometimes things can look really good and they aren't and virtual betting will show you when they aren't. But this situation was a double whammy you had a block pattern made up entirely black even and red odd numbers. And I know from lots of experience the black even and red odd often appear in clumps, it's uncanny sometimes. So I took a chance that this was one of those times they would continue clumping. If they had not it would not have surprised me, but it certainly did not surprise me that I won. I'm sure nobody here cares or realizes how long it took me to figure this out and I just gave it to you for nothing. But I'm sure a lot of you probably most of you will think I didn't give you anything except a bunch of crap that is useless because you can't see the forest for the trees. And that's fine, I will be totally surprised if it went any other way. But there are a couple of you here who will probably look into this and when you do we'll never hear from you because you'll go holy crap, I can win playing this way. And you'll want to keep it totally to yourself.
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Dear god.

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Wouldn't a computer program or AI be able to do the same thing? I havr to imagine it would do a much better job than any human would.
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I know somebody that does this type of method and he is also a programmer he doesn't think he can do it. He said it would take so long that he doesn't know if it would be worth it.
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Is that that other loon back from Gambler's Den forum, gizmotron or something?

Seeing patterns is what sets us apart from the animals

there was a study that showed crows were able to pick off the walnuts on the side of the road carefuly watching the red/green/yellow light when its safe to swoop up the walnuts off the road.

animals see patterns you are full of shiite forgive my french admin but ppl like bob and gizmo believe they can do the impossible instead of typing to the internet is better than making cash hand over fist??