Is There a Betting System for Banker in Baccarat?
November 18th, 2009 at 4:24:12 PM
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I'm surprised that the (mini) baccarat tables always seem so empty at casinos, especially seeing that the house edge is so low (a fair bit lower than pass and don't pass on craps). Anyway, from time to time I try to sneak in a betting system to keep some variety of my play. If I get too deep I'll bail out on it or start it over, but for a banker bet on baccarat, I'm not sure what I can use because it does not pay even money. Is there some variant of the "cancellation" (D'Alembert) betting system shown on the below link that can be applied to a game like a banker bet on baccarat or pai gow poker?
https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/tenbet.html
https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/tenbet.html
So I says to him, I said "Get your own monkey!"
December 1st, 2009 at 6:56:41 PM
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Mr Papa,
You can try any system you want, there is no overcoming the house edge in baccarat, or any game actually--they don't keep the lights on by giving away a lot of money.
Progressive systems,as the Wizard mentions, can give you a greater number of wins that are small with the occasional huge loss.
I prefer the opposite---you can't beat the house, you're in Vegas to gamble anyway. Just bet a system where you usually lose a small amount and occasionally win a huge amount. If you lose, well, you're in Vegas and going home with $50 is lame for most of us. Just play a system where you lose your bankroll 95% of the time (you ARE gambling money you can afford to lose, right?) but make ~1900% profit the other time.
If you're gonna lose, pick the lowest negative EV game that you enjoy and find a way to usually lose an amount you're OK with and occasionally win a bundle.
My two cents.
You can try any system you want, there is no overcoming the house edge in baccarat, or any game actually--they don't keep the lights on by giving away a lot of money.
Progressive systems,as the Wizard mentions, can give you a greater number of wins that are small with the occasional huge loss.
I prefer the opposite---you can't beat the house, you're in Vegas to gamble anyway. Just bet a system where you usually lose a small amount and occasionally win a huge amount. If you lose, well, you're in Vegas and going home with $50 is lame for most of us. Just play a system where you lose your bankroll 95% of the time (you ARE gambling money you can afford to lose, right?) but make ~1900% profit the other time.
If you're gonna lose, pick the lowest negative EV game that you enjoy and find a way to usually lose an amount you're OK with and occasionally win a bundle.
My two cents.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:23:43 AM
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Quote: ChipDeFerrariMr Papa,
You can try any system you want, there is no overcoming the house edge in baccarat, or any game actually--they don't keep the lights on by giving away a lot of money.
Progressive systems,as the Wizard mentions, can give you a greater number of wins that are small with the occasional huge loss.
I prefer the opposite---you can't beat the house, you're in Vegas to gamble anyway. Just bet a system where you usually lose a small amount and occasionally win a huge amount. If you lose, well, you're in Vegas and going home with $50 is lame for most of us. Just play a system where you lose your bankroll 95% of the time (you ARE gambling money you can afford to lose, right?) but make ~1900% profit the other time.
If you're gonna lose, pick the lowest negative EV game that you enjoy and find a way to usually lose an amount you're OK with and occasionally win a bundle.
My two cents.
I don't think you read or fully understood my post. Also, why not just copy and paste your post to all posts made in the betting systems forum? I was not asking for an opinion on the success of betting systens, nor was I asking if a betting system is capable of overcoming the house edge. Sheesh.
So I says to him, I said "Get your own monkey!"
February 2nd, 2010 at 7:06:59 PM
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Quote: MrPapagiorgioI'm surprised that the (mini) baccarat tables always seem so empty at casinos, especially seeing that the house edge is so low (a fair bit lower than pass and don't pass on craps).
The banker bet house edge is 1.06% in baccarat, vs 1.41% and 1.36% for pass/come and don't pass/don't come.
I am surprised that about the mini-baccarat crash as well, especially since regular baccarat has been booming for the last 7 months. I would have thought that it was dropping at the same percentage as craps or roulette. Instead it is doing much worse. It is still not widely distributed with 2 out of 3 mini baccarat tables in Nevada on the strip. Gold Coast has the biggest single collection of the games, and has increased their marketing at American Asians.
Statewide 161 mini-baccarat tables, vs 273 full size baccarat, 417 craps tables and 500 roulette wheels and over 3000 blackjack tables.
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:16:38 AM
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As with any casino game I would imagine that placement of the baccarat table on the casino floor, the signage, etc. play a role. A low minimum sign, an attractive female dealer, an attractive female shill sitting at one end of the table ... and mini-bacc will have players!
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:18:43 AM
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IMO what the baccarat tables need is something similar to the free odds bets in craps. If you are doomed to lose, why not have more variance for some fun?
as far as the cancellation betting systems, sorry, I get a headache looking at that thing.
as far as my first point, I realize we have to expect nobody is going to sell a "free" betting extra bet to the casinos, who are all ears for adding sucker bets. But you could do both, craps has the free odds and the sucker bets both.
OK, my idea isnt going anywhere, but you asked [g]
as far as the cancellation betting systems, sorry, I get a headache looking at that thing.
as far as my first point, I realize we have to expect nobody is going to sell a "free" betting extra bet to the casinos, who are all ears for adding sucker bets. But you could do both, craps has the free odds and the sucker bets both.
OK, my idea isnt going anywhere, but you asked [g]
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February 3rd, 2010 at 6:22:31 AM
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sorry, I accidentally flagged some posts, please disregard, this other computer has some issues, and doesnt show the icons so that I can see them
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February 3rd, 2010 at 7:07:23 AM
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Quote: MrPapagiorgioI'm surprised that the (mini) baccarat tables always seem so empty at casinos, especially seeing that the house edge is so low (a fair bit lower than pass and don't pass on craps).
It's because mini bac is boring. 1/0.95 to 1 payoffs, absolutely no skill involved, rules that most people don't understand (as to how the cards are played), and they don't let you handle to cards.
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:07:45 AM
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If that is so, can anybody explain why Bacc. is so popular among Asians? I was at the casino recently and it was the most popular game in the joint (we are getting close to Chinese New Year).
Is it because they like games where things add up to nine? Do they like the patterns? (You can get the same patterns in Roulette, too, though)
Anybody have any insight?
Is it because they like games where things add up to nine? Do they like the patterns? (You can get the same patterns in Roulette, too, though)
Anybody have any insight?
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:13:24 AM
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Quote: teddysIf that is so, can anybody explain why Bacc. is so popular among Asians? I was at the casino recently and it was the most popular game in the joint (we are getting close to Chinese New Year).
Is it because they like games where things add up to nine? Do they like the patterns? (You can get the same patterns in Roulette, too, though)
Anybody have any insight?
If I had to guess, I would say the only reason a mini-bac table might be full would be because the regular (large) bac table was not available/full/too expensive.
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:17:26 AM
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Quote: cardshark
It's because mini bac is boring. 1/0.95 to 1 payoffs, absolutely no skill involved, rules that most people don't understand (as to how the cards are played), and they don't let you handle to cards.
This.
Now if you could choose whether or not you take a card (ala James Bond movies) that would be a game!
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:43:08 PM
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I would think that Bacarrat is much more preferred to mini-bac. Mini-Bac is played on a smaller table and the dealer always dealer whereas in Bacarrat, each player gets to deal.
8 and 9 are chinese lucky numbers which I think is why it is so popular. Yes it does have a low house advantage but in my opinion as well the game is too quick paced and boring (mini-bac). You get a 1.06% HA (Banker) but at 100 hands per hour at $15/hand, you are looking at $16/hour to play... just too boring. I would rather play Pai Gow poker at a slower rate and pay my commission.
8 and 9 are chinese lucky numbers which I think is why it is so popular. Yes it does have a low house advantage but in my opinion as well the game is too quick paced and boring (mini-bac). You get a 1.06% HA (Banker) but at 100 hands per hour at $15/hand, you are looking at $16/hour to play... just too boring. I would rather play Pai Gow poker at a slower rate and pay my commission.
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February 3rd, 2010 at 8:28:02 PM
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Maybe someone should tell the Asian patrons in Ontario casinos that mini-baccarat is boring so that my wife can find a seat.
As for your betting system, you could use the cancellation, and keep a side count of how many times you pay commission (and at what bet size). Once that gets to 20, add a tick to the main cancellation line so you can recoup it.*
* not an endorsement of said betting system
As for your betting system, you could use the cancellation, and keep a side count of how many times you pay commission (and at what bet size). Once that gets to 20, add a tick to the main cancellation line so you can recoup it.*
* not an endorsement of said betting system
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July 30th, 2010 at 12:41:55 PM
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My feeling is that Mini-Bac is the slot machine of table games. You don't need to think about a damn thing, you can just sit there and relax...all while getting a better house edge. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I would be sad if $10/hand mini-bac were to depart the Earth.
I like playing Oscar's Grind to Mini-Bac, which is sort of a kissing cousin to D'Alembert. I took $600 to the Mini-Bac table at the Luxor and came away with $75 in about 15 mins, at $10/hand. I've only wiped out once with it, and that was during simulated play. So it definitely CAN happen, but it's not nearly the weapons grade bat-shit insanity that Martingale is.
Oscar's Grind can be a little nerve wracking at times, but I find it's a decent way to play. Just keep track of your comissions and add a lost unit to your count when they hit that mark. I might try D'Alembert the next time though...
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I like playing Oscar's Grind to Mini-Bac, which is sort of a kissing cousin to D'Alembert. I took $600 to the Mini-Bac table at the Luxor and came away with $75 in about 15 mins, at $10/hand. I've only wiped out once with it, and that was during simulated play. So it definitely CAN happen, but it's not nearly the weapons grade bat-shit insanity that Martingale is.
Oscar's Grind can be a little nerve wracking at times, but I find it's a decent way to play. Just keep track of your comissions and add a lost unit to your count when they hit that mark. I might try D'Alembert the next time though...
-RR
July 30th, 2010 at 2:18:24 PM
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Its not dead in the MidWest, you can't get a seat most of the time. I hate regular Bac, all the stupid rituals and peeking at the cards, like if you do it in slow motion and mangle the cards, it going to change the outcome. I love the speed of mini bac.
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July 30th, 2010 at 2:39:11 PM
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It's very popular here in CT as well, but mostly as an Asian game. I am often the only "gweilo" when I play. I was actually rather surprised at how dead the Mini-Bac tables were in Vegas. The minimums were awful at the Venetian, and I was the only player at the table at the Luxor...I think in the entire four hour visit, I was the only guy who played it.
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July 30th, 2010 at 2:55:17 PM
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thread steal:
why the F is Pan9 only in los angeles.
its super popular and fun as hell. i dont really like paying the drop. if they played it in lv with a 5% commision. id be there.
https://wizardofodds.com/superpan9
why the F is Pan9 only in los angeles.
its super popular and fun as hell. i dont really like paying the drop. if they played it in lv with a 5% commision. id be there.
https://wizardofodds.com/superpan9
July 30th, 2010 at 5:52:04 PM
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Quote: RictorRocketsI might try D'Alembert the next time though...
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If you go the D'Alembert way, prepare properly for an initial run of good luck. Start at 5 units so you can drop down to 4, 3, 2, etc. if you happen to win a lot up front. As for as bet selection goes remember the two most likeliest things to happen are Banker win or OLD (opposite of last decision) A good Lyle Stuart book on Bac is one of the most pleasant reads ever.
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July 31st, 2010 at 9:40:49 AM
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Thanks for the tips! I bet on Banker about 99.9% of the time. I'll definitely want to take a look at the book tho...
