The Adventures of MDawg II
September 10th, 2022 at 8:42:10 AM
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I don't play online either. I was just quoting evenbob in governor changed my life thrradQuote: darkozQuote: avianrandyEvenbob said in the Governor thread he seen a guy win 12 10k bets online last week. That wasn't you was it mdawg? (Person was playing baccarat)
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I don't play online but can you see what other online people are wagering?
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September 10th, 2022 at 9:09:53 AM
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Well, last trip there was a Bacc player who hit 18 Players in a row at $20,000. a hand, and then walked away. I did not see the play but I talked to the player and the player's friends about it, and then later confirmed the win with a host. That player netted about $350K on that session and had been doing all right (net win, but nothing spectacular) prior to that session too.
I know of another Player (regular player, no special limits) who last year netted just over a million on a single Bacc shoe, and walked away with all of it.
Typically, for your average player who varies bet this sort of thing, hitting a streak at table max, happens after losing some. Ironic, but for the average player a table max hit might come as a catch up bet and then if the player leaves the bet up there a second time, and wins again, more often than not the player figures "what the hell" and lets it ride.
I did observe personally another player at a different casino who did exactly what I am describing, won a couple $20,000. bets on Bank and then just left it up there. At some point the player's friends were trying to get the player to reduce the bet, but the player just stayed the course and won over $200,000. on that Bank run. But that player did keep playing after the big winning streak, so I don't know what happened after that, as I was busy at my own table and didn't check back.
Last trip I cleared over $200K on a single Bacc session.
When I bet at table max (which is very high for me with special limits) whether at blackjack or baccarat I like to do it when I am ahead, and as well because there is a reason for my doing it, not simply to "catch up." Granted, being ahead or not should have nothing to do with it, but as there is never a guarantee that a person will win a given hand, that's the way I prefer to do it, because for me, ending up with something ahead on the session is important too. Still, when the time comes to lay it out there you must do it, otherwise you shouldn't be there in the first place.
I know of another Player (regular player, no special limits) who last year netted just over a million on a single Bacc shoe, and walked away with all of it.
Typically, for your average player who varies bet this sort of thing, hitting a streak at table max, happens after losing some. Ironic, but for the average player a table max hit might come as a catch up bet and then if the player leaves the bet up there a second time, and wins again, more often than not the player figures "what the hell" and lets it ride.
I did observe personally another player at a different casino who did exactly what I am describing, won a couple $20,000. bets on Bank and then just left it up there. At some point the player's friends were trying to get the player to reduce the bet, but the player just stayed the course and won over $200,000. on that Bank run. But that player did keep playing after the big winning streak, so I don't know what happened after that, as I was busy at my own table and didn't check back.
Last trip I cleared over $200K on a single Bacc session.
When I bet at table max (which is very high for me with special limits) whether at blackjack or baccarat I like to do it when I am ahead, and as well because there is a reason for my doing it, not simply to "catch up." Granted, being ahead or not should have nothing to do with it, but as there is never a guarantee that a person will win a given hand, that's the way I prefer to do it, because for me, ending up with something ahead on the session is important too. Still, when the time comes to lay it out there you must do it, otherwise you shouldn't be there in the first place.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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September 10th, 2022 at 9:36:01 AM
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Quote: darkozQuote: WizardQuote: MDawgIn the case with Heather she says she got the ball into the same number 6 times in a row, and then when challenged by her boss to do it again, did so twice more.
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I didn't want to get into an argument with Heather on the show, but I'm skeptical of the story. If dealers could really do this, roulette in its present form wouldn't exist. Cheating dealers would be letting their friends win right and left and splitting the winnings later.
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I agree.
I did witness the following event.
While playing Roulette at a rather full table one player asked the dealer what his next number would be. He said he would throw a fifteen.
Everyone put their money on fifteen except me who naturally didn't believe the dealer had any power of the ball
Well, lol, yes, the ball landed on fifteen.
That said it's just confirmation bias. Dealers get lucky choosing their numbers just like any other player. My son-in-law did the same trick and called a number before the ball was thrown and was correct.
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Last year during a trip I was taking a break from Baccarat, chatting with the roulette dealer, and some other special limits player walked up and asked me what my favorite number was. I said 9 (of course), and the player put some ridiculous sum on the number 9. Missed, didn't hit.
Then gave up on the 9 idea and bet some other numbers.
9 came up, twice in a row on the very next two spins.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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September 10th, 2022 at 9:56:19 AM
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Quote: MDawgEvenBob is the one with great experience in online wagering, I'd ask him.
In some online casinos there is an actual roulette wheel spinning, or a dealer dealing actual cards for blackjack or baccarat, all continuously on camera, and I assume those are the casinos at which EvenBob plays.
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I ask because I don't know but my suspicion is no.
Even with a live dealers she is just spinning the ball. She is NOT dealing with chips (the wagers are online).
There would be no point to showing wagers made by other players.
On top of that, unlike a B&M table, potentially thousands of people could be wagering on a single spin. I suppose no limit to how many people technically.
Maybe, just maybe I could see an aggregate amount of wagers placed might be made available to the online players at home
It wouldn't surprise me if EB thought he was seeing high rollers wagering and it was just the total played. They might even break it down by numbers (double zero has $1300 on it while 27 has $100) etc.but it's still an aggregate amount.
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September 10th, 2022 at 10:01:38 AM
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Quote: darkozQuote: MDawgEvenBob is the one with great experience in online wagering, I'd ask him.
In some online casinos there is an actual roulette wheel spinning, or a dealer dealing actual cards for blackjack or baccarat, all continuously on camera, and I assume those are the casinos at which EvenBob plays.
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I ask because I don't know but my suspicion is no.
Even with a live dealers she is just spinning the ball. She is NOT dealing with chips (the wagers are online).
There would be no point to showing wagers made by other players.
On top of that, unlike a B&M table, potentially thousands of people could be wagering on a single spin. I suppose no limit to how many people technically.
Maybe, just maybe I could see an aggregate amount of wagers placed might be made available to the online players at home
It wouldn't surprise me if EB thought he was seeing high rollers wagering and it was just the total played. They might even break it down by numbers (double zero has $1300 on it while 27 has $100) etc.but it's still an aggregate amount.
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Some online casinos (that I use) give a graphical representation of stacks of chips dropping to the table. Many also list the bigger winners as a scrolling marquee after each spin. Nothing you can really use.
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September 10th, 2022 at 10:06:32 AM
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Well if indeed EvenBob is mistaking aggregate wins for individual ones, that does not bode well for what appear to be claims of great powers of perception and insight.
As far as EvenBob, I do believe that he wins at roulette and baccarat. More likely than not anyway. The consistency of his posts and his passion for the subject are some proof of this, but then also I just don't think anyone would put all this time into saying that he does something if he were not actually doing it. He seems to be claiming very modest wins too, something like one unit per session? which let's face it is easier done than winning many units each session.
As to whether all he has to say on the subject are why he wins, or just he has happened to win, is the question.
I don't know of a way to win on an unbiased roulette wheel, but let's see what EvenBob has to say.
Keep in mind that a roulette wheel is a mechanical contraption and as such cannot be completely random. As to whether this extremely slight bias that must be present at all times makes any difference in terms of predictability is another matter.
As far as EvenBob, I do believe that he wins at roulette and baccarat. More likely than not anyway. The consistency of his posts and his passion for the subject are some proof of this, but then also I just don't think anyone would put all this time into saying that he does something if he were not actually doing it. He seems to be claiming very modest wins too, something like one unit per session? which let's face it is easier done than winning many units each session.
As to whether all he has to say on the subject are why he wins, or just he has happened to win, is the question.
I don't know of a way to win on an unbiased roulette wheel, but let's see what EvenBob has to say.
Keep in mind that a roulette wheel is a mechanical contraption and as such cannot be completely random. As to whether this extremely slight bias that must be present at all times makes any difference in terms of predictability is another matter.
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September 10th, 2022 at 10:51:19 AM
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Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawg
I also challenge him to produce the Wizard's post where he stated this:Quote: AxelWolfThe Wizard didn't notice any substantial Advantage Play situation.link to original post
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After conferring with the Wizard, I am posting here that The Wizard never said this.
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MDawg, I enjoy your posts and adventure thread. I find it very entertaining and amusing.
I do feel compelled to cry foul on this one. If I remember correctly, it was a Wizard post that was subsequently removed after allegations of a breach of a non disclosure agreement. Not sure how one finds a deleted post.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
September 10th, 2022 at 11:20:02 AM
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When I say "after conferring with the Wizard" I mean exactly that.
Thanks for the positive comments on The Adventures of MDawg, where all are Welcome! including fellow table game players.
Thanks for the positive comments on The Adventures of MDawg, where all are Welcome! including fellow table game players.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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September 10th, 2022 at 11:30:37 AM
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There are three tournaments this month. Going to miss out on one will make the other two. Also a large drawing is coming up, limited to under fifty top players.
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September 10th, 2022 at 12:05:37 PM
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Isn't the term "advantage play" subject to definition and interpretation?
Until the edge sorting case got coverage in the media, how well known and believable would claims of edge sorting have been?
99.9% of you don't believe in dice influencing.
A good many of you question different methods of blackjack card counting.
Playing must-hit slot machines can be incorrect if you don't accurately know how the meter changes.
High limit players might very well be able to pull off Martingales that lower limit players couldnt.
I think the world is full of advantage plays but most players who haven't seen them or haven't used them will deny they exist.
Personally I think Mdawg has some kind of an advantage play. And it's no doubt something his critics never heard of and therefore don't suspect it.
Until the edge sorting case got coverage in the media, how well known and believable would claims of edge sorting have been?
99.9% of you don't believe in dice influencing.
A good many of you question different methods of blackjack card counting.
Playing must-hit slot machines can be incorrect if you don't accurately know how the meter changes.
High limit players might very well be able to pull off Martingales that lower limit players couldnt.
I think the world is full of advantage plays but most players who haven't seen them or haven't used them will deny they exist.
Personally I think Mdawg has some kind of an advantage play. And it's no doubt something his critics never heard of and therefore don't suspect it.
September 10th, 2022 at 12:14:52 PM
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Quote: MDawgWhen I say "after conferring with the Wizard" I mean exactly that.
Thanks for the positive comments on The Adventures of MDawg, where all are Welcome! including fellow table game players.
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Thanks. Not sure what you mean with your first sentence.
I do know that Wizard posted then deleted a post that said that during the session he watched, he saw no evidence of advantage play. Again, if I remember correctly.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
September 10th, 2022 at 12:25:36 PM
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Here turns out Wizard edited his post but not someone quoting it.
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Quote: kewljQuote: Wizard.
As Mission said, the only thing I will verify is I watched mdawg win some money on one short sitting. If I had a large bankroll to goal ratio, I would stand a very high probability of showing a win over a part of one shoe too. I continue to maintain I saw no evidence of anything other than luck and certainly not any advantage play. I'm not saying there wasn't some secret advantage play, but if there was, it went right over my head.
Let me ask you this then? Why was there an agreed restriction placed on you about reporting what you witnessed? I beleive it was so that you wouldn't say what you just did, which really clarifies things for many of us.
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September 10th, 2022 at 12:38:03 PM
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The Wizard retracted that statement. Bringing it up is improper - it would be like bringing up a conviction that had been reversed on appeal, it is obliterated for all purposes.
My contention is that he made that statement in error. It was an equivocal statement anyway. The point is that he withdrew it.
It's like if I claimed that UnJon committed a murder. Then I retracted the statement. So, your bringing up what I said once, does that make the statement true? The person who made the statement himself has retracted it.
Even worse, seems like you're trying to hold a mistake against the Wizard. Old news, move on?
I discussed this AxelWolf claim with the Wizard. He authorized me to deny the quote in the forum with a "The Wizard never said this." Clear enough?
My contention is that he made that statement in error. It was an equivocal statement anyway. The point is that he withdrew it.
It's like if I claimed that UnJon committed a murder. Then I retracted the statement. So, your bringing up what I said once, does that make the statement true? The person who made the statement himself has retracted it.
Even worse, seems like you're trying to hold a mistake against the Wizard. Old news, move on?
I discussed this AxelWolf claim with the Wizard. He authorized me to deny the quote in the forum with a "The Wizard never said this." Clear enough?
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September 10th, 2022 at 12:51:49 PM
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I brought it up to cry foul on your challenge.
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September 10th, 2022 at 12:57:28 PM
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Well the AxelWolf Challenge is over something AWolf claims I said, nothing to do with his misquoting the Wizard. That's just something else I brought up after discussing the matter with the Wizard.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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September 10th, 2022 at 1:17:29 PM
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Quote: MDawgThe Wizard retracted that statement. Bringing it up is improper - it would be like bringing up a conviction that had been reversed on appeal, it is obliterated for all purposes.
My contention is that he made that statement in error. It was an equivocal statement anyway. The point is that he withdrew it.
It's like if I claimed that UnJon committed a murder. Then I retracted the statement. So, your bringing up what I said once, does that make the statement true? The person who made the statement himself has retracted it.
Even worse, seems like you're trying to hold a mistake against the Wizard. Old news, move on?
I discussed this AxelWolf claim with the Wizard. He authorized me to deny the quote in the forum with a "The Wizard never said this." Clear enough?
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Isn't that the Bill Cosby argument.
His statements made during a discovery phase could not be used against him so he used it's later use to win an appeal.
I don't think anyone argues since his statements couldn't be used legally in court that means he never said them or meant what he said
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September 10th, 2022 at 1:23:31 PM
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Cosby's argument was that he was promised in advance of his Deposition that his statements in civil court would not be used against him for purposes of a criminal prosecution.
In this matter, first of all Wizard's statement was equivocal, secondly he retracted it, so it can't be brought up as if to say that the person who made the statement still makes that statement. Anyway, as per Wizard, he authorized me to deny the quote, so that's the end of it unless you want to contact him and talk to him about it.
In this matter, first of all Wizard's statement was equivocal, secondly he retracted it, so it can't be brought up as if to say that the person who made the statement still makes that statement. Anyway, as per Wizard, he authorized me to deny the quote, so that's the end of it unless you want to contact him and talk to him about it.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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September 10th, 2022 at 1:31:31 PM
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Quote: MDawgCosby's argument was that he was promised in advance of his Deposition that his statements in civil court would not be used against him for purposes of a criminal prosecution.
In this matter, first of all Wizard's statement was equivocal, secondly he retracted it, so it can't be brought up as if to say that the person who made the statement still makes that statement. Anyway, as per Wizard, he authorized me to deny the quote, so that's the end of it unless you want to contact him and talk to him about it.
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Words matter. The challenge was that the Wiz “never said this.” Saying something and retracting doesn’t change that it was said. That’s why I cried foul. As the reason for the retraction is undisclosed, I am not able to draw an inference as to what the retraction indicates about what the Wiz currently thinks.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
September 10th, 2022 at 1:36:38 PM
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Again,
you make me feel as if I am debating with DarkOz back and forth over a misunderstanding.
Quote: MDawgWell the AxelWolf Challenge is over something AWolf claims I said, nothing to do with his misquoting the Wizard. That's just something else I brought up after discussing the matter with the Wizard.
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you make me feel as if I am debating with DarkOz back and forth over a misunderstanding.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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September 10th, 2022 at 1:49:56 PM
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Quote: MDawgAgain,
Quote: MDawgWell the AxelWolf Challenge is over something AWolf claims I said, nothing to do with his misquoting the Wizard. That's just something else I brought up after discussing the matter with the Wizard.
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you make me feel as if I am debating with DarkOz back and forth over a misunderstanding.
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I have no qualms with that challenge.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
September 10th, 2022 at 2:12:58 PM
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That's the only Challenge.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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September 10th, 2022 at 2:16:30 PM
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Quote: MDawgThat's the only Challenge.
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So the second challenge in that post was retracted? I see you edited the post to add some things in response to my finding the deleted post. But you didn’t delete the “I also challenge” sentence.
I ask because sometimes retracting a challenge has consequences on this site.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
September 10th, 2022 at 2:27:01 PM
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Quote: unJonQuote: MDawgCosby's argument was that he was promised in advance of his Deposition that his statements in civil court would not be used against him for purposes of a criminal prosecution.
In this matter, first of all Wizard's statement was equivocal, secondly he retracted it, so it can't be brought up as if to say that the person who made the statement still makes that statement. Anyway, as per Wizard, he authorized me to deny the quote, so that's the end of it unless you want to contact him and talk to him about it.
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Words matter. The challenge was that the Wiz “never said this.” Saying something and retracting doesn’t change that it was said. That’s why I cried foul. As the reason for the retraction is undisclosed, I am not able to draw an inference as to what the retraction indicates about what the Wiz currently thinks.
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Actually the Wizard gave the reason for the retraction as it violated his agreement with MDawg to verify only that he witnessed the event but didn't disclose anything about the play.
Technically his statement that there was no advantage play observed was in itself a comment about the play.
So his retraction in the Wizards writing is not that he doesn't agree with his original statement but that it violated his agreement to make the statement at all.
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September 10th, 2022 at 2:52:55 PM
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You have a bad habit of trying to speak for others. Without authority.
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September 10th, 2022 at 2:54:19 PM
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Quote: unJonQuote: MDawgThat's the only Challenge.
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So the second challenge in that post was retracted? I see you edited the post to add some things in response to my finding the deleted post. But you didn’t delete the “I also challenge” sentence.
I ask because sometimes retracting a challenge has consequences on this site.
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I cannot make a challenge on behalf of someone else any more than I may speak for someone else. I did use the word "challenge" there but what I meant was that the Wizard didn't say that, which the Wizard told me to post denying the quote, but otherwise, that matter is just something mentioned in passing. If you wish to continue to belabor the point, contact the Wizard.
The only Challenge is that I say that I did not say what AWolf claims I said.
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September 10th, 2022 at 4:08:14 PM
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He didn't say it directly, but his posts seem to indicate that's the case. There were posts made and deleted etc. I'm not going to go searching for them. I don't know exactly what was said but I certainly know what was indicated.Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawg
I also challenge him to produce the Wizard's post where he stated this:Quote: AxelWolfThe Wizard didn't notice any substantial Advantage Play situation.link to original post
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After conferring with the Wizard, I am posting here that The Wizard never said this.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 10th, 2022 at 4:25:43 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfHe didn't say it directly, but his posts seem to indicate that's the case. There were posts made and deleted etc. I'm not going to go searching for them. I don't know exactly what was said but I certainly know what was indicated.Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawg
I also challenge him to produce the Wizard's post where he stated this:Quote: AxelWolfThe Wizard didn't notice any substantial Advantage Play situation.link to original post
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After conferring with the Wizard, I am posting here that The Wizard never said this.
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Classic Axel. Lol
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September 10th, 2022 at 5:34:35 PM
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Whatever. None of this has to do with the Challenge that is on the table.
I mean obviously, why would I propose a challenge to the effect of "so and so never said I play with or without an advantage," I mean who cares? How may I control what other people say or don't say. I could propose such a challenge and then someone could come up and post after the challenge was made, that MDawg does this or that, and I would lose the challenge. Obviously - an absurd self defeating challenge I would never make.
I mentioned the Wizard only to the extent of that I felt that AxelWolf was misquoting him. After conferring with Wizard on that alleged misquote, Wizard told me to deny the quote. Which I did.
Still,
My Challenge is solely as to what I said. I know what I said, and I challenge AxelWolf to produce a post where I said that I do not play with an advantage.
I mean obviously, why would I propose a challenge to the effect of "so and so never said I play with or without an advantage," I mean who cares? How may I control what other people say or don't say. I could propose such a challenge and then someone could come up and post after the challenge was made, that MDawg does this or that, and I would lose the challenge. Obviously - an absurd self defeating challenge I would never make.
I mentioned the Wizard only to the extent of that I felt that AxelWolf was misquoting him. After conferring with Wizard on that alleged misquote, Wizard told me to deny the quote. Which I did.
Still,
My Challenge is solely as to what I said. I know what I said, and I challenge AxelWolf to produce a post where I said that I do not play with an advantage.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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September 10th, 2022 at 5:34:49 PM
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As far as the other matter, Wizard's hands are tied because he can't even comment on the matter other than to refer people to the settlement, so you're putting him in an odd situation by bringing up the matter to begin with.
"Other than this statement, Wizard may not address this issue publicly, other than to refer to this agreement."
"Other than this statement, Wizard may not address this issue publicly, other than to refer to this agreement."
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September 10th, 2022 at 5:41:55 PM
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To name a few: You also believed many things Rob singer has said. You also believe you saw 18 yo's in a row. You believed your son hit 5 royals in one day and still lost. I don't think you're the best person to judge the situation.Quote: AlanMendelson
Personally I think Mdawg has some kind of an advantage play. And it's no doubt something his critics never heard of and therefore don't suspect it.
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Assuming all this is legitimate:
It's possible he has a slight overall advantage if you include comps, tournaments, free bets/chips/rebates, etc.And yes, it wouldn't be all that difficult to have a small advantage if you played that system correctly, however, being the generous type of guy that he is... let's not forget the many thousands in tips he's given away.
Whenever people are talking about card flow, streaks, runs, pressing, etc... you can safely assume they are not playing with an advantage, they are just run-of-the-mill system players.
There are people who Martingale, and people who Paroli, and people who intermingle them. I believe Mdawg uses some version of Paroli.
It's just so mindboggling, I can't understand how you and others can't comprehend what type of advantage one would have to have to win as consistently as he has indicated. IIRC there was some scuttlebutt about him winning so many trips in a row that the odds would've been in the 10's of millions to one(not even counting the tipping)
Meanwhile, the casinos are rolling out the red carpet all while he's gloating about it publicly on multiple forums.
C'mon man, use some logic.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 10th, 2022 at 5:46:04 PM
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Fine, your opinion. But where did I say that I do not play with an advantage. I need a direct quote, AxelWolf.
I do know I have said that I do play with an advantage. I do not recall ever saying the opposite.
I do know I have said that I do play with an advantage. I do not recall ever saying the opposite.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 10th, 2022 at 6:33:58 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfTo name a few: You also believed many things Rob singer has said. You also believe you saw 18 yo's in a row. You believed your son hit 5 royals in one day and still lost. I don't think you're the best person to judge the situation.Quote: AlanMendelson
Personally I think Mdawg has some kind of an advantage play. And it's no doubt something his critics never heard of and therefore don't suspect it.
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Why are you insulting me?
And why are you insulting me with incidents that have nothing to do with Mdawg.
Do you always insult people when they disagree with you?
Yes, there are some things that Rob Singer said that I believe.
My son misled me with incorrect information. Being his father I believed him. That's what fathers do.
And you just had to bring up the 18 yos?
There's no need for you to insult and attack me.
September 10th, 2022 at 6:39:27 PM
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Quote: MDawgAs far as the other matter, Wizard's hands are tied because he can't even comment on the matter other than to refer people to the settlement, so you're putting him in an odd situation by bringing up the matter to begin with.
Other than this statement, Wizard may not address this issue publicly, other than to refer to this agreement.
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After conferring with the Wizard, I am posting here that The Wizard never said this.
(Upon future reading it seems that UnJon(thank you, by the way. Dinner is on me if we ever have the opportunity) posted this.)
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Quote: ..."As Mission said, the only thing I will verify is I watched mdawg win some money on one short sitting. If I had a large bankroll to goal ratio, I would stand a very high probability of showing a win over a part of one shoe too. I continue to maintain I saw no evidence of anything other than luck and certainly not any advantage play. I'm not saying there wasn't some secret advantage play, but if there was, it went right over my head"
So, No. YOU are the one putting him in that situation. You put him in that situation with a RETARDED OVER THE TOP BS "NDA" in the first place. A simple don't expose me or the detail of my system would've been fine.
There's no legitimate reason why giving his opinion regarding AP or no AP matters. It reeks of mind games so you can make claims either way whenever it fits your narrative. You want AP's to think you could be playing with an advantage, and you want non/anti AP's to think the opposite.
You had no good reason to confer with the Wizard. Mr. all most photographic memory probably had forgotten what had been said (I may not remember exactly what's been said word for word, but I normally remember the gist/key points).
You probably assumed I was claiming he said that to me or someone, and then you "conferred"...probably more like you freaked out demanding answers.
Had you just let my statement go... UnJon wouldn't have said anything.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 10th, 2022 at 7:00:23 PM
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I do believe that you have claimed to have played with an advantage on Blackjack.Quote: MDawgFine, your opinion. But where did I say that I do not play with an advantage. I need a direct quote, AxelWolf.
I do know I have said that I do play with an advantage. I do not recall ever saying the opposite.
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Here's a simple question. Can you consistently beat THE GAME of Baccarat without comps etc counting or breaking the casino's rules?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 10th, 2022 at 7:02:29 PM
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Before the waters get muddied further, you have claimed that I said that I do not play with an advantage.
Why would I say such a thing?
As far as the Wizard he retracted that statement, so, it is of no value.
Why would I say such a thing?
As far as the Wizard he retracted that statement, so, it is of no value.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 10th, 2022 at 7:04:59 PM
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Quote the post in question.Quote: MDawgBefore the waters get muddied further, you have claimed that I said that I do not play with an advantage.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 10th, 2022 at 7:06:38 PM
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You started this whole thing, you don't even remember what you claimed?
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 10th, 2022 at 7:15:23 PM
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 10th, 2022 at 7:16:19 PM
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I know I have said that I do play with an advantage, I don't believe I have ever said that I do not. Is the point.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 10th, 2022 at 7:22:00 PM
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Imagine person XYZ makes constant religious statements, like "The Lord will come for you if you don't devote your life to him" and "God is great. Living the good life", etc.
And then when someone says how much person XYZ is a believer in the Lord, that person got defensive.
And you pointed out the person has made many comments about his belief in the Lord.
And person XYZ challenged you to find one single solitary quote where he says"I believe in the Lord". Those exact words!
You can't fine those exact words but you find all the other quotes and then person XYZ says, "see I know what I said and I never said I believe in God. In fact I am an atheist!"
So here we have MDawg for years describing "intuition", "luck", that other people could do what he does without him having to teach them
And now when you claim he has stated he doesn't play with an advantage, he challenges you to find a direct quote and says he does play with an advantage after all and has always said that.
And then when someone says how much person XYZ is a believer in the Lord, that person got defensive.
And you pointed out the person has made many comments about his belief in the Lord.
And person XYZ challenged you to find one single solitary quote where he says"I believe in the Lord". Those exact words!
You can't fine those exact words but you find all the other quotes and then person XYZ says, "see I know what I said and I never said I believe in God. In fact I am an atheist!"
So here we have MDawg for years describing "intuition", "luck", that other people could do what he does without him having to teach them
And now when you claim he has stated he doesn't play with an advantage, he challenges you to find a direct quote and says he does play with an advantage after all and has always said that.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 10th, 2022 at 7:22:22 PM
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I Challenge you to find a post in this thread where I have claimed that you said that you do not play with an advantage.Quote: MDawgYou started this whole thing, you don't even remember what you claimed?
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Aren't you the attorney here? I know what post you're referring to, but it doesn't say that.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 10th, 2022 at 7:28:44 PM
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I appreciate that you just went to such lengths to illustrate your point. I get your point.
However...I challenged you to produce what you claimed I said, is all.
Can you?
The rest of it is your putting an interpretation on what I said. Just because I said, for example, that I press into runs, does that mean I don't have a way of sometimes detecting the next hand outcome with a higher than "flat" probability?
In the session the Wizard witnessed I caught 8/8 of the only Player run in that Baccarat shoe. I caught the beginning of it, the middle, the end, and every hand in between. What are the odds that was just luck?
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DAMMIT DARKOZ WOULD YOU PLEASE STAY OUT OF THIS. I THOUGHT THAT POST HAD BEEN MADE BY AXELWOLF. You have nothing to do with this matter. Jeez. Debating with you is usually a black hole endless waste of time. It doesn't matter what anyone says you will never change your mind about anything, so...how about holding your thoughts at least until after this matter is resolved between AxelWolf and me, please.
However...I challenged you to produce what you claimed I said, is all.
Can you?
The rest of it is your putting an interpretation on what I said. Just because I said, for example, that I press into runs, does that mean I don't have a way of sometimes detecting the next hand outcome with a higher than "flat" probability?
In the session the Wizard witnessed I caught 8/8 of the only Player run in that Baccarat shoe. I caught the beginning of it, the middle, the end, and every hand in between. What are the odds that was just luck?
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DAMMIT DARKOZ WOULD YOU PLEASE STAY OUT OF THIS. I THOUGHT THAT POST HAD BEEN MADE BY AXELWOLF. You have nothing to do with this matter. Jeez. Debating with you is usually a black hole endless waste of time. It doesn't matter what anyone says you will never change your mind about anything, so...how about holding your thoughts at least until after this matter is resolved between AxelWolf and me, please.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 10th, 2022 at 7:38:40 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI Challenge you to find a post in this thread where I have claimed that you said that you do not play with an advantage.Quote: MDawgYou started this whole thing, you don't even remember what you claimed?
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Aren't you the attorney here? I know what post you're referring to, but it doesn't say that.
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I posted it, will again.
So when did I say that I do not play with an advantage?
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 10th, 2022 at 7:50:54 PM
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Quote: unJonClassic Axel. Lol
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Sole practitioner M.Dawg versus a Gang of 3, A.Wolf, U.Jon and D.Oz is what it is. 😄
Actually, an amicus brief was filed on M.Dawg's side by D.Rich!
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 10th, 2022 at 8:22:16 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: AxelWolfTo name a few: You also believed many things Rob singer has said. You also believe you saw 18 yo's in a row. You believed your son hit 5 royals in one day and still lost. I don't think you're the best person to judge the situation.Quote: AlanMendelson
Personally I think Mdawg has some kind of an advantage play. And it's no doubt something his critics never heard of and therefore don't suspect it.
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Why are you insulting me?
And why are you insulting me with incidents that have nothing to do with Mdawg.
Do you always insult people when they disagree with you?
Yes, there are some things that Rob Singer said that I believe.
My son misled me with incorrect information. Being his father I believed him. That's what fathers do.
And you just had to bring up the 18 yos?
There's no need for you to insult and attack me.
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No, not usually.
I guess there would have to be something for you to believe.
He mislead or you assumed? A good reporter would've followed up when pressed on the issue many times for a
a long period of time, especially before suggesting a 5k challenge/bet.
Yes, the 18 yo's thing helps support my opinion that your opinion is probably flawed.
I don't think it's insulting and attacking. I guess it was flippant and unnecessary and for that, I apologize.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 10th, 2022 at 8:24:26 PM
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AxelWolf, never mind forget the whole thing. Dropped.
If you want to PM me a question or two about my casino play, do so.
If you want to PM me a question or two about my casino play, do so.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 10th, 2022 at 8:29:16 PM
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Damned by faint praise.Quote: MDawgii/219/#post861000]an amicus brief was filed on M.Dawg's side by D.Rich!
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 10th, 2022 at 8:33:20 PM
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Further to the discussion of promo chips.
Here are some. I'll post more when I find the pics, I also have some stashed away that I haven't gotten around to using.
The way these things work, generally, is that if they contain "1 Bet only," "One-Time play" or similar verbiage, they are single bet (win or lose, one time) chips. Otherwise, they are assumed to be promo chips - bet until you lose. For example the Wynn and Circa chips are both bet until you lose, but they don't actually say so on the chips. The lack of any posted restriction on the chips makes them of the bet until you lose variety.
Here are some. I'll post more when I find the pics, I also have some stashed away that I haven't gotten around to using.
The way these things work, generally, is that if they contain "1 Bet only," "One-Time play" or similar verbiage, they are single bet (win or lose, one time) chips. Otherwise, they are assumed to be promo chips - bet until you lose. For example the Wynn and Circa chips are both bet until you lose, but they don't actually say so on the chips. The lack of any posted restriction on the chips makes them of the bet until you lose variety.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 10th, 2022 at 8:53:10 PM
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Sometimes the pit bosses get confused and the lack of any specific instructions compels them to phone the casino shift manager to come over and ensure them that the promo chips are in fact Play Until You Lose.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 10th, 2022 at 8:54:17 PM
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I don't really have any questions.Quote: MDawgAxelWolf, never mind forget the whole thing. Dropped.
If you want to PM me a question or two about my casino play, do so.
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I asked a simple question a few posts back, but I understand why you won't answer that question. If APs and the math guys are assuming you have a mathematical advantage while playing baccarat then it's hard for them to argue you can't be a long-term winner. If the non APs/ math guys and Anti AP's catch you claiming you only win at baccarat because you have an advantage they will jump ship ( all 3 (-: ), and you'll probably lose your sidekick Coachbelly. He has basically been arguing that you win without a mathematical advantage.
But hey, if you want to concede, sure i'm willing to drop it.
On that note, let's change the subject, it's come to my attention that someone may have made an impostor MD and KJ account on that memorial page, if that's the case.... my bad.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
