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July 30th, 2022 at 12:52:21 PM permalink
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Well yes, as in, I don't pay them to come....
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Ummm, are you certain of those words?
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July 31st, 2022 at 8:55:55 AM permalink
The Wizard and I were discussing when to stop sessions / gaming trips, and he and I agreed, when it stops being fun! which the burn out may happen whether you are winning or losing.
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July 31st, 2022 at 9:04:42 AM permalink
I think a Scorpions song said "Don't Stop At The Top!", so I wait to hit my win goal and see how much further I get beyond that.
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July 31st, 2022 at 9:23:38 AM permalink
I like the idea! but....

Well, it's easiest to have a set goal when you're making up for being down, then your goal is when you're even. At that point you may decide to call it quits or try to end up more than just even for the day. But otherwise, where's the top?
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July 31st, 2022 at 10:10:26 AM permalink
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The Wizard and I were discussing when to stop sessions / gaming trips, and he and I agreed, when it stops being fun! which the burn out may happen whether you are winning or losing.
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Define Burn Out in this context?
Is it a point where you start to play sub-optimally, such as making Basic Strategy errors or slapping down stupid wagers. Or is it the point where you start to lose because you've burned up your good luck? Or is it something else?
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July 31st, 2022 at 10:10:49 AM permalink
For me it's probably $3K when the bubble craps machine starts spitting out vouchers instead of continuing to add credits; or $10K when the CTR's become an issue when playing at the tables. Can I really win to $20K - $50K in chips in a day and cash out on different days? Won't the cage be checking with the table to see if I won the chips that day?
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July 31st, 2022 at 10:42:14 AM permalink
Burn out - people get burned out on their jobs irrespective of salary sometimes. Winning or not winning isn't the only index to whether one gets tired of casino play.
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July 31st, 2022 at 12:21:50 PM permalink
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Burn out - people get burned out on their jobs irrespective of salary sometimes. Winning or not winning isn't the only index to whether one gets tired of casino play.
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I definitely feel somewhat burned out on the multicarding.

However, I mean I just don't want to physically do it myself. Bored.

I do the sane thing and hire other people to do the lifting.
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July 31st, 2022 at 1:56:46 PM permalink
No can do over here. No one else I know has my credit lines, ability and impunity.

It's just a hobby for me anyway, I like to win but it isn't always a bed of roses to get to the final result.
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August 1st, 2022 at 8:21:38 AM permalink
Just an accident or did the mob have a hand in this?
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Ace2, so, who set the bomb in your Cadillac?

The bombing was never authorized,
but I suspect I know who lit the fuse.

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August 2nd, 2022 at 9:05:36 AM permalink
Recently threw caution to the wind, and been spreading this on my salad dressing.

The real don steel Bob's Big Boy Thousand Island!

But at the same time, been experimenting with this.

I mix it with water just make a little bit at a time.

My wife tried the almond butter - didn't like it, said she will stick with the real thing or Earth Balance. She did like the thousand island dressing though. When I was a kid I liked thousand island a lot, it used to be available at buffets all the time too. Nowadays for the most part artisan salads come with no their dressing already tossed in.
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August 2nd, 2022 at 9:26:36 AM permalink
Was talking to a friend who plays a lot of blackjack in Indian casinos, in the state where I live. She does pretty well and says she just plays hard tries to get as much as she can. I asked her what about getting booted, she said, if it happens it happens. I asked what about pretending you don't know what you're doing or betting really small. She wondered, why would anyone do that? I said, well to avoid detection, of course I just wanted to see what she would say didn't want to lead an answer. She just laughed and said that's the sort of thing you read about in books any genuine player knows that sort of thing doesn't really help.
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August 2nd, 2022 at 10:37:02 AM permalink
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Was talking to a friend who plays a lot of blackjack in Indian casinos, in the state where I live. She does pretty well and says she just plays hard tries to get as much as she can. I asked her what about getting booted, she said, if it happens it happens. I asked what about pretending you don't know what you're doing or betting really small. She wondered, why would anyone do that? I said, well to avoid detection, of course I just wanted to see what she would say didn't want to lead an answer. She just laughed and said that's the sort of thing you read about in books any genuine player knows that sort of thing doesn't really help.
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She doesn't sound like a card counter to me.
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August 2nd, 2022 at 11:09:55 AM permalink
A lot of people say the same about you, that you're not what you claim to be, but, does it matter?

The proof is in the pudding!
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August 2nd, 2022 at 2:21:30 PM permalink
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A lot of people say the same about you, that you're not what you claim to be, but, does it matter?

The proof is in the pudding!
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You didn't mention once that she counts cards.

You simply said she wins at Blackjack

Are you saying she is a card counter?

I haven't seen any of her pudding, BTW!

Also why so hostile. I wasn't challenging you. She just seems suspect based on what little you describe. A woman who claims to win at Blackjack for no apparent reason.
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August 2nd, 2022 at 3:07:28 PM permalink
When I watched her play a couple times, she was clearly counting. I was present when she was booted from a Vegas casino where they took her aside and she later told me what they had said, which all they had said to her politely was that she was too skilled of a player for them and they were surrendering and declaring her the winner, or some such very diplomatic way to demand that she stop playing. And she was actually losing badly during that session when they put the kibosh on her.

When I was asked to stop couple decades or so ago, they were just as polite, but more direct. They asked me how I was winning so consistently, because when it happened with me I wasn't just winning, I was for days on end winning every table limit bet I put out there and I was alternating almost exclusively between table min and table max. What's interesting though is that when I eventually was let back in I more or less kept up with the same practice and haven't been bothered since. But I don't just sit there for hours playing blackjack, usually, I win big and just leave.

About the only flack I have received more recently is one of the casinos is saying that it wants to revisit our agreement where I get any session or trip based loss rebate because I am apparently way too far ahead both lifetime and this year for them to keep that deal open. Seems like a preemptive move, in that I haven't asked for a loss rebate from that casino this year anyway.
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August 2nd, 2022 at 3:11:37 PM permalink
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Let's get back to this. Do you like Thousand Island dressing, or not?

And if so, do you like Bleu Cheese dressing? I can't imagine someone who likes one favoring the other.
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August 2nd, 2022 at 4:52:25 PM permalink
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Let's get back to this. Do you like Thousand Island dressing, or not?

And if so, do you like Bleu Cheese dressing? I can't imagine someone who likes one favoring the other.
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I wouldn't eat either one for $1000.
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August 2nd, 2022 at 6:15:49 PM permalink
Okay! but, I imagine, for different reasons.

Me: I don't like bleu cheese anything because it is strong and smelly.

The "strong and smelly" doesn't apply to thousand island dressing.


What about Russian dressing? I used to like that one a lot too, as a yout, and come to think of it, I wouldn't object to it these days either. It's basically Thousand Island but more spicy than sweet.
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August 3rd, 2022 at 5:32:00 AM permalink
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Okay! but, I imagine, for different reasons.

Me: I don't like bleu cheese anything because it is strong and smelly.

The "strong and smelly" doesn't apply to thousand island dressing.


What about Russian dressing? I used to like that one a lot too, as a yout, and come to think of it, I wouldn't object to it these days either. It's basically Thousand Island but more spicy than sweet.
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't '

I don't like any condiments. I eat my burgers and dogs just plain, meat and bun only (maybe cheese). I guess BBQ sauce is a condiment and I do like it cooked onto my meat for the flavor but I don't put sauces on anything after the cooking process.
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August 3rd, 2022 at 7:46:59 AM permalink
Just pickles on my cheeseburgers.
Just mustard on my hotdogs.
I hate ketchup.
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August 3rd, 2022 at 8:08:21 AM permalink
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Just pickles on my cheeseburgers.
Just mustard on my hotdogs.
I hate ketchup.
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That means you are behind.

You need to try some Ketchup!

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August 3rd, 2022 at 8:15:44 AM permalink
I wasn't talking about dressing on anything other than salad.

Which by the way, it's not publicly known what McDonald's secret sauce is for their Big Macs, but it apparently contains no ketchup — or any tomatoes, so it can't be thousand island based.
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August 3rd, 2022 at 9:58:09 AM permalink
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I wasn't talking about dressing on anything other than salad.

Which by the way, it's not publicly known what McDonald's secret sauce is for their Big Macs, but it apparently contains no ketchup — or any tomatoes, so it can't be thousand island based.
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That was a fun Internet rabbit hole. Most copycats use French Dressing instead of ketchup in the recipe. Internet guesses that original Big Mac sauce used paprika for the coloring.


McDs says there were 2 formulas that were merged, tweaked twice over the years and eventually in 2004 McDs went back to the original version.
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August 3rd, 2022 at 10:07:22 AM permalink
Yes I read that McD's had strayed too far from the original recipe and decided to remove everything artificial from both it and its hamburgers when it revised the secret sauce.
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August 3rd, 2022 at 10:11:16 AM permalink
It was in the 90's when I saw ad copy at Burger King that read, "There's nothing secret about OUR sauce!"

I thought that was pretty smart ad copy.
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August 3rd, 2022 at 10:14:48 AM permalink
In general with these sorts of things companies have to decide which way to go - get a patent and protect it absolutely (but only for 20 years), or just keep it a trade secret (they hope, forever) and have no formal protection.


"Secret sauce" and Coca Cola went the trade secret route.

They may still sue or file criminal charges against an employee who steals the formula though, but once it is "out there" in the public domain, nothing the company may do to stop its being used by others.
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August 3rd, 2022 at 1:07:20 PM permalink
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In general with these sorts of things companies have to decide which way to go - get a patent and protect it absolutely (but only for 20 years), or just keep it a trade secret (they hope, forever) and have no formal protection.


"Secret sauce" and Coca Cola went the trade secret route.

They may still sue or file criminal charges against an employee who steals the formula though, but once it is "out there" in the public domain, nothing the company may do to stop its being used by others.
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Can you patent a recipe? Would that have been an option for McDs secret sauce?
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In general with these sorts of things companies have to decide which way to go - get a patent and protect it absolutely (but only for 20 years), or just keep it a trade secret (they hope, forever) and have no formal protection.



Can you get a patent on the ingredients of a sauce? That would surprise me.
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August 3rd, 2022 at 1:23:09 PM permalink
What's in that Chipotle sauce at Subway? It's all I'll ever ask for now.

What is Subway's chipotle sauce made of?
What is Subway chipotle sauce or subway southwest sauce made of? The main ingredients used in this southern chipotle sauce at Subway are ranch, mayonnaise, chipotle pepper in adobo sauce, vinegar, onion powder, and garlic powder. - June 25, 2021
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August 3rd, 2022 at 1:31:41 PM permalink
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What's in that Chipotle sauce at Subway? It's all I'll ever ask for now.

What is Subway's chipotle sauce made of?
What is Subway chipotle sauce or subway southwest sauce made of?



Here ya go...

https://www.alyonascooking.com/subway-chipotle-southwest-sauce/
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August 3rd, 2022 at 5:09:05 PM permalink
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In general with these sorts of things companies have to decide which way to go - get a patent and protect it absolutely (but only for 20 years), or just keep it a trade secret (they hope, forever) and have no formal protection.



Can you get a patent on the ingredients of a sauce? That would surprise me.
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Why, shore, why not?

Both the composition and say the process (steps) of making a "secret sauce" for example would at least be subject matter that may be patented. But...the recipe (or process) would need to be useful, novel and non-obvious. Simply claiming that you have the best barbecue sauce of all time, for example, would not necessarily pass muster.

Actually, Coca Cola did patent its original recipe, in 1893, but when they re-formulated it (perhaps removing the cocaine?), they declined to seek patent protection and this time opted for the trade secret route. However, at the time Coca Cola came into being in 1886, it was I believe the first cola drink on the market. Today, with all the cola drinks out there I doubt anyone could patent any cola drink formula, as it would no longer be novel or non-obvious.
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August 4th, 2022 at 8:44:14 AM permalink
Coming up in Vegas in August and September are promo chip offers galore and tournaments in the $500K range. RFB + spa virtually unlimited go without saying, assuming even want to stay in house.
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August 4th, 2022 at 8:56:50 AM permalink
I’m also getting my Caesars offers for free rooms and lots of free play ($20!). I’m coming in October but will probably stay with friend who is renting house in Summerlin. If I can convince wifey to come I’ll go early and we will stay in Paris/Flamingo/Cromwell whatever…. I may be Diamond by then so we will see if the offers balloon to maybe $50 in free play!
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August 4th, 2022 at 9:29:08 AM permalink
Anything free is good. As long as you are in town and at that casino might as well use what they offer.
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August 4th, 2022 at 9:30:56 AM permalink
However, I don't think we are going to show for the gift card offer in August, probably won't be in Vegas this month at all. It would be worth it maybe to just fly in, collect the $7K in cards, and leave though, without even playing to try to double the offer. But, would have to transport back whatever bought with the cards unless sold them.
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August 4th, 2022 at 11:33:57 AM permalink
I'm really interested in the patent discussion.

On a similar note: I think we're all familiar with Bonus Craps but now another company uses a different name (Boom or Bust, I think) for an exact copy of the same bet.

How is this allowed??

And how did the Bonus Craps people get to use it when Sam's Town offered the bet decades ago???
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August 4th, 2022 at 11:41:46 AM permalink
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I'm really interested in the patent discussion.

On a similar note: I think we're all familiar with Bonus Craps but now another company uses a different name (Boom or Bust, I think) for an exact copy of the same bet.

How is this allowed??

And how did the Bonus Craps people get to use it when Sam's Town offered the bet decades ago???
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Is it patented? If not obviously anyone can use it. Maybe the patent expired?
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August 4th, 2022 at 2:44:02 PM permalink
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I'm really interested in the patent discussion.

On a similar note: I think we're all familiar with Bonus Craps but now another company uses a different name (Boom or Bust, I think) for an exact copy of the same bet.

How is this allowed??

And how did the Bonus Craps people get to use it when Sam's Town offered the bet decades ago???
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Good question but Bonus Craps has been around only five years or so. Let me Google it.
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August 4th, 2022 at 2:52:54 PM permalink
Galaxy Gaming markets Bonus Craps but I dont know if its copyrighted or trademarked or patented. It doesnt say on their website.
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August 4th, 2022 at 3:52:30 PM permalink
There was an abandoned patent application for "Bonus Craps Gaming." Abandoned means the filing was not prosecuted (followed) all the way to final assignment - i.e., the applicant gave up.

Take a look, is this what you were thinking of?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20080054565A1/en

By the way, patent applicants must always be individuals, but they may assign the patent to an entity such as a company. In this case the applicants (inventors) were Michael O'Connor and Gerald Williams, who assigned the patent to MGM Grand Detroit, LLC. Typically the assignee is the entity that purchased the patent, although in some cases it is an entity owned by the inventor(s) where they have merely moved it into a company for various reasons, including as a liability shield.

Since you mention the "Fire Bet" a lot, turns out it is patented:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7686305B2/en
The Fire Bet patent expired recently, in February 2022. Both the patent and the trademark for "Fire Bet" belong to Perry Strasi, and both were assigned to SG Gaming Inc. The trademark is still live.

If you can't get a patent, a trademark is often the next best thing. For example you may produce a cola beverage, but there is only one Coca Cola. Just as long as your trademark doesn't end up generic (such as Xerox, Kleenex), as long as you pay the renewal fees and keep it in commerce, the trademark will go on indefinitely.

You might be surprised to note that Aspirin was once trademarked, or rather, is (was) a trademark of Bayer. Perhaps it would have been genericized by now anyway, but Bayer had to give up the trademark as part of the reparations imposed on Germany for WW I. At the same time Bayer also had to give up its trademark, Heroin.
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Thanks Mdawg but this Bonus seems to be different.
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August 5th, 2022 at 8:29:35 AM permalink
Anyway gives you an idea of what might be involved in patenting or trademarking a craps scheme.
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August 5th, 2022 at 3:24:46 PM permalink
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Anyway gives you an idea of what might be involved in patenting or trademarking a craps scheme.
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Table games are very hard to patent now. Better to patent a video version of it and trademark it.
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August 6th, 2022 at 9:18:17 AM permalink
The more ideas and variations are produced in a given field, the less chance to protect the permutations unless they are truly novel, especially if some of them in the past have obtained protection. The more prior art, the harder it is to get a patent!
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August 6th, 2022 at 9:24:03 AM permalink
Most of the offers of any substance I am aware of in Vegas this month require a stay. Not a big deal, just book a standard room for one night, check in, pick up the free play, gift cards, or whatever, and then leave.

Some of the tournaments require a stay, some do not. In some cases hosts are able to waive the stay requirement for tournaments, but if you show up for tournaments enough times and put in no play, eventually you won't be invited back for future tournaments.
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August 6th, 2022 at 10:50:14 AM permalink
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Most of the offers of any substance I am aware of in Vegas this month require a stay. Not a big deal, just book a standard room for one night, check in, pick up the free play, gift cards, or whatever, and then leave.

Some of the tournaments require a stay, some do not. In some cases hosts are able to waive the stay requirement for tournaments, but if you show up for tournaments enough times and put in no play, eventually you won't be invited back for future tournaments.
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If you know what you are doing, oftentimes you don't even have to check-in. But you know everything about the casinos, I'm sure you'll tell me different.
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There are those who are actually doing it, and those who are tossing out dim recollections of yesteryear.
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August 6th, 2022 at 11:27:49 AM permalink
Strength recovery after not working out for a period of time - it's been a few weeks now back at the gym consistently and I'm mostly back to where I was. Chest seems like it loses strength the fastest and takes the longest to recover. Smaller muscles like biceps don't seem to lose much and regain quickly.
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August 6th, 2022 at 11:28:26 AM permalink
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Still doable. You haven't a clue about what, when, or where I'm involved in playing. I'm the opposite of you because whatever I'm involved with has an actual calculable edge, I don't want to publicly talk about it and create competition. If I said I was playing at XY or Z casino or mentioned something specific, I can guarantee you there would be people looking into it.
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