And the fact that you seem to be in the dark about calculation of theo loss does tend to substantiate that you know little about table game play.
Quote: MDawgSorry, but I play rated at a private table and the chance of pit boss error when tracking win/loss is about zero, and that is all there is to this discussion of my Challenge.
And the fact that you seem to be in the dark about calculation of theo loss does tend to substantiate that you know little about table game play.
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Okay first off you are venturing into lying territory.
If anyone understands Theo it's me, lol.
I posted a Theo question to you which would prove you understand Theo. All you had to do was answer it.
You couldn't!
A simple Theo question and you, MDawg had no answer.
So basically, of the two of us, you have the lesser understanding of how CASINOS calculate Theo!
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It's all there, in dark and light!
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It's all there, in dark and light!
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You are making yourself look a fool by repeatedly pointing to that as your evidence.
You have no clue that Advantage Players utilize losses (not Theo) and wins (not Theo) by faking them to maximize offers.
The fact you could only comprehend using multiple players cards by bringing in homeless men to sign up for $10 new members offers shows how way behind in knowledge of AP and Theo and tricks to take advantage of casinos you truly are.
That's why I say and stand behind that you are actually seriously undercomped and know so little of comps that you don't even realize it.
Anyway, we're just talking about one thing here - whether it would be possible to confirm a win loss at a private high limit table. Yes, it would!
Quote: MDawgDo you really think that a blackjack player's taking a chip off the table matters whatsoever as far as whether or not the player is detected for counting cards?
It may. The more you win the more you will be scrutinized.
Quote: MDawgAs usual, you say a lot of blah blah blah without pointing to anything specific or otherwise, but I use your own dark words to confirm my point! It's all there, recorded for posterity.
Anyway, we're just talking about one thing here - whether it would be possible to confirm a win loss at a private high limit table. Yes, it would!
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Ummm, I stand by my words.
It's just sad you don't understand them.
As for confirming a win/loss at a private table you have already heard a number of posters disagree with you.
You should be asking yourself why this is.
Instead of saying "well they must be wrong because I am always right" you should be asking yourself what is it you don't understand.
Baccarat.
A low key session, not pushing very hard, winning the majority of hands.
+17500
Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.
I'm willing to present a side Challenge. If anyone doubts that any one, just any one of the Session reports I present during this trip is not entirely accurate, throw down a red flag! Put up a mere ten grand in cash, let's work out how to verify the Session to your satisfaction using the Wizard as the judge, and winner takes the twenty thousand.
I'll contribute five hundred from my end for the Wizard's time if the Challenger will do the same, so that's $19,000. to the winner of this side Challenge.
This Side Challenge remains good for the duration of this particular Vegas trip.
I'm predicting that within the next year he will win $$$ 𝙊𝙉𝙀 𝙈𝙄𝙇𝙇𝙄𝙊𝙉 in just one day
using his photographic memory to crush the house - he knows when Player has an 85% chance to draw a natural at bacc
actually, I feel kinna sorry for the house that has to go up against him___________the house doesn't have much of a chance
everybody here can look forward to reading all about it
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Quote: WizardQuote: MDawgThanks! and, Yes correct. This was a big win and the crew was still talking about it the day after I went back into that pit. One of them even recollected the exact amount from the main session because while I was pushing towards it I kept counting and recounting my chips and remarking about how I wanted to hit a certain exact number, which I eventually did.
That exact number was the win for that day. It represented more than one session, including a dinner break, but most of the win was during a single continuous session.
You taking me up on the Challenge Wizard? 🥹
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Hypothetically speaking, if you were challenged on the this particular day, what would you submit as evidence? I assume the net win at least all happened at the same casino.
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Mr. Wizard: On November 10, 2021 MDawg posted a DD blackjack win of $3600. If one were to "challenge" this session, how would the "chip count" on that day be verified? Who could get that particular specific information? Would the casino be able to "certify" the session; the results; and the chip count? I think it highly unlikely, so it is incumbent on you to provide the answers to these questions, and if there are negative responses, the MDawg "Challenge" should be removed and he should be admonished. After all, you have been chosen by MDawg to be the "verifier in Chief."
tuttigym
Quote: MDawgAnd how would a "forensic audit" 😄 of my tax returns filed in 2023, verify the results of a single day's win at a casino that would have by then occurred a good year prior? And as far as "bank deposits" there have been session wins and losses so to think that deposits would be easily correlated to a single session win, if they could be correlated at all, is again, unusual and wrongly placed thinking.
I think Tuttigym is just somehow obsessed with that MDawg must pay taxes on all his wins! which has little to do with verifying the exact amount of a single day's win at a casino.
Clearly, the degree of ridiculousness in some of the suggestions today is commensurate with the experience any of these posters have with high end table play.
There are though at least a couple of table game players at this forum. Their experience with their tracked results should allow them to present a simple way to verify a session's results soon after the session. And that's the key, the results are much easier verified soon after the session than after some time has passed.
The problem is that the ones who opine that there is no way to verify, might be the ones who have little or no experience with any of this.
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Your tax returns for the year 2021 should show that year as net winner. Forensic audits are a deep dive into "following the money." You have photographed stacks of $100 bills you claim to have won. That money had to go somewhere, unless you put it in your mattress. Your bank statements would also reflect those large deposits which you have admitted to noting that the IRS would be aware of those deposits because of institutional requirements.
I find it amusing that your basic answer to any heavy lifting type questions are that we do not know what you are talking about or I am right so stop questioning me (paraphrased). Or your "thinking is unusual and wrongly placed." I do think outside the box, but your answers don't come close to the box at all.
Mr. darkoz seems to be very knowledgeable about comps, and he believes you have been UNDER comped based on your play. Why wouldn't you try to find out how you could increase your comp status. I believe, any reasonable person would want to investigate such a claim.
tuttigym
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Your tax returns for the year 2021 should show that year as net winner. Forensic audits are a deep dive into "following the money." You have photographed stacks of $100 bills you claim to have won. That money had to go somewhere, unless you put it in your mattress. Your bank statements would also reflect those large deposits which you have admitted to noting that the IRS would be aware of those deposits because of institutional requirements....
tuttigym
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Tuttigym
You seem to be persistently implying that MDawg, in some way, cheats on his taxes: A strongly implied accusation of serious criminality.
I advise you that you are fast approaching personal insult territory and that you should desist in such implications.
It's one thing to say that you find his winning to be almost unbelievable, because that is a question of your own ability to believe. But to imply criminality with zero evidence is not acceptable.
First and final warning.
I'm willing to present a side Challenge. If anyone doubts that any one, just any one of the Session reports I present during this trip is not entirely accurate, throw down a red flag! Put up a mere ten grand in cash, let's work out how to verify the Session to your satisfaction using the Wizard as the judge, and winner takes the twenty thousand.
I'll contribute five hundred from my end for the Wizard's time if the Challenger will do the same, so that's $19,000. to the winner of this side Challenge.
This Side Challenge remains good for the duration of this particular Vegas trip.
Baccarat.
Pretty solid. Was by no means easy lot of up and down along the way. It's not always easy to win. Two or three times I kept getting stuck at around +30K and once I even went negative substantially. What’s ironic is that when I passed +50k eight more Players landed (14 Player run) but I had achieved my goal so I bet ridiculously small all through it! once I was close to fifty K ahead. But I did win on most all of the Players on that run.
There was another point much earlier in the session when I took a single 5K chip and kept doubling it on a different Player run. 5K, 10K, 20K, I had 20K left on there was resigned to leaving it up when a female friend of mine "take is easy Tiger" 'ed me into taking a few free hands. Argh. And that Player run went on 4 more hands so I would have ended the session right then ahead over seventy large. And that's why I don't like having friends or family at the table with me. Gotta be relentless sometimes in order to win and the real world looks at 20000 differently from the way I do, at least, when I am at the tables.
Whoever invented gambling was smart, whoever invented the casino chip - a genius.
+57000
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And this is the MDawg challenge.
What's interesting is that when I tried to open these images with PS to blot out identifying details, I got this
so I had to open using a different program.
but when I opened the deng images from a different day's win, here PS didn't seem to care, and allowed it.
But what about a server at a restaurant that keeps smiling and keeps calling you Baby? (When you're alone of course.) (Not at Hooters, this is at a high end restaurant.) I actually know this girl we've talked more than a few times but I've never asked her for her number or anything.
Google didn't pop up an explanation.
If you aren't hiding the cash in your mattress, that Money and serial number disappears from your purview when you put it in the bank. When you withdraw the cash you aren't getting those same bills back.
The only reason I know for serial number issues is from Hollywood films when the cops use it to track money spend by criminals.
In particular, the photos only show a single serial number on each stack, so one bill out of 100.
So, you have an explanation as to why that's important to you?
I have asked the Wizard to stay out of this. I do not authorize the Wizard to speak on my behalf, and I have stated nothing to the Wizard that may be passed on to this person. I do not wish to be misquoted, so any communication between me and this challenger must be direct one on one. In the event that this rises to the level of an actual challenge, then the Wizard will be the judge.
As stated, "let's work out how to verify the Session to your satisfaction," so assuming that there is a real person out there who wishes to do this challenge, how do you propose to verify? Anyone who is familiar with table games should know how to verify any of this.
I am speaking directly to this challenger not to the general public.
Quote: MDawgI have asked the Wizard to stay out of this.
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I wish to stay out of it too. The onus is on the challenger to approach Mdawg directly and resolve any issues.
Baccarat.
I had one large hand, and then cut my bet drastically and won 14 hands in a row afterwards! When that sort of thing happens, I think of the line from Blow, about moving 300 kilos and making dog sh*t, which is exactly what I've been making lately on shoes where I've won 10 or more hands in a row. I need to step it up at such times.
What's the matter, George?
Nothing.
I mean...
...aside from the fact that we're moving 300 f'ing kilos...
...and we're making dog sh*t, nothing.
+35500
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And this is the MDawg challenge.
Quote: MDawgThis is the MDawg Challenge, good for the duration of each Vegas trip.
I'm willing to present a side Challenge. If anyone doubts that any one, just any one of the Session reports I present during this trip is not entirely accurate, throw down a red flag! Put up a mere ten grand in cash, let's work out how to verify the Session to your satisfaction using the Wizard as the judge, and winner takes the twenty thousand.
I'll contribute five hundred from my end for the Wizard's time if the Challenger will do the same, so that's $19,000. to the winner of this side Challenge.
This Side Challenge remains good for the duration of this particular Vegas trip.
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Has Wizard agreed to this and what conditions will Wizard accept since his credibility as judge is being called upon?
Wizard?
Quote: AlanMendelsonHas Wizard agreed to this and what conditions will Wizard accept since his credibility as judge is being called upon?
Wizard?
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I'm open to being the judge of the challenge, but make no promises. I have been asked to sort out some of the details by a potential challenger and both sides are now angry at me for my efforts. My position is now that both sides should communicate directly and then, if they want, come to me with the rules they worked out and what is expected of me as the judge.
Quote: WizardQuote: AlanMendelsonHas Wizard agreed to this and what conditions will Wizard accept since his credibility as judge is being called upon?
Wizard?
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I'm open to being the judge of the challenge, but make no promises. I have been asked to sort out some of the details by a potential challenger and both sides are now angry at me for my efforts. My position is now that both sides should communicate directly and then, if they want, come to me with the rules they worked out and what is expected of me as the judge.
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When I read this I thought can the Wizard be saying that he would accept faulty reasoning by one or both sides?
Set me straight please.
Tell me you have personal standards for judging. Thank you.
Quote: WizardThe onus is on the challenger to approach Mdawg directly and resolve any issues.
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Quote: WizardMy position is now that both sides should communicate directly and then, if they want, come to me with the rules they worked out and what is expected of me as the judge.
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Exactly.
“Why Don’t You Speak for Yourself, John?”
Let's not take Commissioner
Pat Webb too seriously.
I recently challenged him to a debate
on this program, and he declined.
What are you worried about, Pat?
You don't have to send me any questions.
You can ask me
anything you want.
In any case, no one has contacted me to take up the challenge, and we're going to be heading back to main home state shortly, although we'll be back rather quickly for the fourth Vegas trip of the year. The exact dates of our leaving and returning are of course not for public consideration. But if this challenge is going to happen, I need to heard from this mystery man behind the curtain today.
Baccarat.
A couple of large bets and a lot of grind later….
+56800
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And this is the MDawg challenge.
Thankfully, no smoking.
Time is money. My wife voiced her disapproval at wasting time over something like that, when she expected me back much earlier that evening.
As far as "reading the man" the way Mike described in Rounders - not necessarily. If it were that easy then every poker pro would know every time when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em, and they really don't. You will discern patterns of play though.
The luck variable is why you can't guarantee anything 100%.
Casino hosts have data reading capability only when it comes to player stats. If a player complains that his stats for a given session or period of play are in error, the process by which any records may be altered involves perhaps camera review and more than one person's override. A host doesn't even have the data entry access to change a player's win or loss record. And the only situation, really, where a player might request review of a win/loss would be if the loss recorded was lower than the threshold for say, a loss rebate, and the player wants to get that rebate. But anyway, yeah, anyone who says that a host may simply alter session reports doesn't know what he is talking about and is someone I would regard with suspicion as to any of his opinions about anything to do with gaming, because it most likely means that this person is prone to just presenting opinions with no personal experience in the matter.
Quote: MDawgPeople (with little or no personal experience with any of this?) still musing about how to verify the MDawg challenge.
Casino hosts have data reading capability only when it comes to player stats. If a player complains that his stats for a given session or period of play are in error, the process by which any records may be altered involves perhaps camera review and more than one person's override. A host doesn't even have the data entry access to change a player's win or loss record. And the only situation, really, where a player might request review of a win/loss would be if the loss recorded was lower than the threshold for say, a loss rebate, and the player wants to get that rebate. But anyway, yeah, anyone who says that a host may simply alter session reports doesn't know what he is talking about and is someone I would regard with suspicion as to any of his opinions about anything to do with gaming, because it most likely means that this person is prone to just presenting opinions with no personal experience in the matter.
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I would say you don't understand the nuance of conmen.
For example, you state a host cannot alter session reports.
Well, he doesn't have too! All the host has to do is create a fake alternate report. What outsider is going to really be able to tell the difference from a forged website page and the real deal?
You expect the challenger to see the session reports from the host and then demand he speak with the casino computer programmer to confirm they come from within the actual mainframe? Or the challenger should demand the hosts access codes so he can get into the files from an outside computer connection (fat chance at that).
You simply refuse to think like a con artist (or nefariously are trying to make challengers believe it's not possible to be conned).
I don't know but you argue about things that you simply can't imagine could happen.
The entire art of the con is to present something so believable that the victim doesn't even understand he is being taken for a ride.
I already discount what you have to say on theo loss, why not run the gauntlet and allow me to discount anything you have to say on how win/loss may be verified? But then, your talking about "a piece of paper" being used to verify the MDawg challenge tells me that I am right to ignore anything you have to say on yet another subject.
Anyway whoever it was who was musing about taking up the MDawg Challenge never even contacted me. It would have been easy to just go to any host or multiple hosts and just ask for that date’s session win to be pulled up. I’m not sure how long into the past those individual day records are easily accessed but definitely within the time period of a same trip.
Meantime I’m just presenting trip reports and a few seem thrown into a panic over the content judging by the volumes written on every aspect of the sujet. 😃
In the first place any credible casino rep would tell me no, it's confidential and none of my business.
They might even deny knowing you. In fact I doubt Mdawg is your real name.
So what am I supposed to say at Aria or Cosmo or Wynn? Like... "hey Mr Casino Exec there's this somebody using the screen name Mdawg on an anonymous Internet forum claiming he won $240,000 in one day on a table... can you verify it?"
I might as well ask if Jimmy Hoffa is in their foundation.
And if you must be there to get this report how independent is that info?
This is a joke and I'm done with anonymous soapbox orators. Best of luck. And don't private message me anymore.
I mean seriously, how many people won those sums at table games as reported by me? Were there a whole range of people winning that this month, or just me? You're starting to sound contrived.
The Wizard knows me and would accompany me to see a host, or multiple hosts, and that would be the end of it.
Quote: MDawgCome on DarkOz as long as you gave me $2000. why not give me another $9500.?
I already discount what you have to say on theo loss, why not run the gauntlet and allow me to discount anything you have to say on how win/loss may be verified? But then, your talking about "a piece of paper" being used to verify the MDawg challenge tells me that I am right to ignore anything you have to say on yet another subject.
Anyway whoever it was who was musing about taking up the MDawg Challenge never even contacted me. It would have been easy to just go to any host or multiple hosts and just ask for that date’s session win to be pulled up. I’m not sure how long into the past those individual day records are easily accessed but definitely within the time period of a same trip.
Meantime I’m just presenting trip reports and a few seem thrown into a panic over the content judging by the volumes written on every aspect of the sujet. 😃
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It doesn't sound like you are trying to prove anything.
It sounds like you are trying to make some cash.
I find it strange an attorney who could have his law license looked at would be showing cash with serial numbers suspiciously blanked out on a forum where he makes claims that require more cash transactions to verify.
I always ask them to put no salt on anything. At home too I do not add salt to any fish I prepare.
Even among Vegas restaurants this one is overpriced - hard to get out of there for much under $200 - 250. per person, and that is with no alcohol. The fish is flown in daily fresh, but still, comp'ed or not, prices here are excessive.
Valet all the way, which you'll still be waiting at some properties, but at least not stuck trying to wedge between rows of cars. Or "just leave the driving to us" (via Limo, not bus!).
Quote: AlanMendelsonIn fact I doubt Mdawg is your real name.
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... and they say humor is a lost art.
Quote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonIn fact I doubt Mdawg is your real name.
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... and they say humor is a lost art.
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It would be even more hilarious if it turned out to be his real name.
Michael Dawg?
Quote: darkozQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonIn fact I doubt Mdawg is your real name.
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... and they say humor is a lost art.
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It would be even more hilarious if it turned out to be his real name.
Michael Dawg?
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We - myself included - should probably stop before we guess right and get a doxxing complaint.
Quote: MDawgThis is another way that they make fish at the same place that serves the grilled Fagri. This is a Lithrini. You may eat much of the bones as they become crispy and break apart easily after the fish is fried.
The wife and I went deep sea fishing today. We caught Grouper, Snapper, and various smaller fish. Unfortunately with the money we spent and the fish we caught it came out to close to $100 a pound. I will no longer complain about paying $25 a pound for fish at the market.
Will be returning, but I needed a break from all that play was not tired of winning but was getting tired of playing.
I on the other hand, I definitely care if I win or lose, and if I didn't win regularly I wouldn't even bother to play. I mean, I win more often than not, and I'm still burned out on it. How could someone who loses more often than not not be burned out?
I suppose when you get to the point in your life where you may throw hundreds of thousands of dollars at a Vegas table game not caring so very much if you win or lose, it means you've arrived, in some books.