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I get proofed for the senior discount…..
Sadly, I don't
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI get it at places I didnt even know had senior discounts. Do I look that old?
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Your fame proceeds you. Has anyone ever told you that you were their grandmother's favorite? That happened to a friend of mine in Vegas.
Quote: billryanQuote: AlanMendelsonI get it at places I didnt even know had senior discounts. Do I look that old?
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Your fame proceeds you. Has anyone ever told you that you were their grandmother's favorite? That happened to a friend of mine in Vegas.
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Most people say they know me from a 7-Eleven where they say they were in line behind me and recognized my voice.
Keep in mind that at some casinos table minimums apply to side bets including if placed alone or side bets may not be placed alone without a Bank or Player wager.
Quote: MDawgOne of the Baccarat sidebets that is countable and winnable is the Tiger 6 at the major in Vegas that pays it at 50:1 for the "Big Tiger." However that same casino last year reduced the amount of the deck that they deal in an effort to stop the flow of deng being paid out - you get an average of only 65 hands on the shoes. Still, they can't stop MDawg.
Keep in mind that at some casinos table minimums apply to side bets including if placed alone or side bets may not be placed alone without a Bank or Player wager.
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So you are an advantage Player or not an advantage Player?
Quote: MDawgCould you point to anywhere I said I was not?
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Can you just answer the question?
Are you an advantage Player or not?
Quote: MDawgGoing back to at least early 2020, I have posted about having an advantage to my play, and don't recall ever posting that I do not.
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Stopping while ahead is not an advantage play.
Bet sizing and streak betting is also not advantage play.
If you have an actual advantage that you can't divulge that's fine but the advantages you claim are not advantage play techniques.
Quote: darkozQuote: MDawgGoing back to at least early 2020, I have posted about having an advantage to my play, and don't recall ever posting that I do not.
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Stopping while ahead is not an advantage play.
Bet sizing and streak betting is also not advantage play.
If you have an actual advantage that you can't divulge that's fine but the advantages you claim are not advantage play techniques.
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Negotiating favorable comps is a form of advantage play... that's part of what Don Johnson did. Maybe that's MDawg's advantage.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: darkozQuote: MDawgGoing back to at least early 2020, I have posted about having an advantage to my play, and don't recall ever posting that I do not.
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Stopping while ahead is not an advantage play.
Bet sizing and streak betting is also not advantage play.
If you have an actual advantage that you can't divulge that's fine but the advantages you claim are not advantage play techniques.
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Negotiating favorable comps is a form of advantage play... that's part of what Don Johnson did. Maybe that's MDawg's advantage.
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And Don Johnson can't get comped at those locations anymore.
At the level of MDawg play his profit and loss will be scrutinized heavily and most likely his methodology of play. It's not so much a hidden advantage that doesn't add up for AP's but the continued pampering by casino hosts that doesn't add up.
Quote: AlanMendelsonIsnt an ability to know when to bet and when not to an advantage play?
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You mean psychic abilities?
The only play involving someone knowing when to bet before the cards came out was the Baccarat ring scam and the Tran team shuffling scam.
But that also isn't advantage play. That's just cheating.
Phil Ivey edge sorting maybe close.
What it is that works, needn't be disclosed in detail. The results are posted here for anyone to see, or challenge. I mean, if I hadn't posted three years of WIN statements and been observed winning in person on a random picked session, then it could be said, hmm.... But otherwise, it all adds up and makes perfect sense. That's the point!
Quote: MDawgDarkOz, being a fellow Clockwork Orange fan, of course understands the phrase, "The point is, that it works!"
What it is that works, needn't be disclosed in detail. The results are posted here for anyone to see, or challenge. I mean, if I hadn't posted three years of WIN statements and been observed winning in person on a random picked session, then it could be said, hmm.... But otherwise, it all adds up and makes perfect sense. That's the point!
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Lol, the Ludovico technique wound up getting the government in trouble!!!
Maybe, Darkoz, Mdawg has a secret formula similar to your secret for getting free play?
You havent posted your secret, why must Mdawg reveal his?
Maybe he's in cahoots with the dealers?
Maybe he's edge sorting?
Maybe he's counting two tables?
Quote: AlanMendelsonMdawg never mentioned psychic abilities to the best of my knowledge. Why would anyone suggest that?
Maybe, Darkoz, Mdawg has a secret formula similar to your secret for getting free play?
You havent posted your secret, why must Mdawg reveal his?
Maybe he's in cahoots with the dealers?
Maybe he's edge sorting?
Maybe he's counting two tables?
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I actually don't find it difficult to believe MDawg can have an advantage. What I and most AP's find difficult to believe is that he wins and continues to get comped to the level he does. Look at my threads and what you will see is the same woes. Casinos are quick to cut off consistent winners who utilize and advantage.
And at his level of play the casinos would scrutinize what he is doing to win.
He has also described tactics that are reminiscent of ploppy mentality (just quit while ahead, only bet when the cards are in your favor, raising bets when losing on a hail Mary, etc) which is the opposite of my reporting where I point out logical methods of advantage play.
PS I hope he isn't colluding with the dealer as that is NOT an advantage play. AP is about finding legal means to gain an advantage. It may sound like splitting hairs but illegal means are simply cheats.
Sometimes it is best to keep one's mouth shut about different things, such as where one lives (or doesn't live), what one does (or doesn't do), and so on. Other times it doesn't matter to go ahead and spill the beans.
Quote: darkozmy reporting where I point out logical methods of advantage play.
Are you willing to provide the same info and opportunity to members as MDawg has (below)?
Quote: MDawgThe results are posted here for anyone to see, or challenge. I mean, if I hadn't posted three years of WIN statements and been observed winning in person on a random picked session, then it could be said, hmm
Quote: coachbellyQuote: darkozmy reporting where I point out logical methods of advantage play.
Are you willing to provide the same info and opportunity to members as MDawg has (below)?Quote: MDawgThe results are posted here for anyone to see, or challenge. I mean, if I hadn't posted three years of WIN statements and been observed winning in person on a random picked session, then it could be said, hmm
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I could post such info and it would be faked. I know how to fake win statements.
So what does that prove about either what I could post or what MDawg posts?
EDIT: And I don't mean fake as in Photoshop. I mean legit win statements that show wins that actually didn't happen. The fake wins can be achieved at the actual play level.
Besides if you have been reading my GN AC thread I have posted actual documents from the casinos showing my profit potential so don't act like MDawg provides evidence of claims and I don't.
When Wizard and I were trying to find the date for that session I proposed a variety and then Wizard showed up the day he could. At random.
Quote: darkozI could post such info and it would be faked. I know how to fake win statements.
I bypass those sideways documents, it appears that your 3-year old scribbled all over them.
But go right ahead and post faked win statements, if that's all you got....who would object?
And then let us know about the terms of your challenge, or any random opportunity to observe you.
This time add a forfeit penalty, as I know you to back out of these agreements.
Quote: coachbellyQuote: darkozI could post such info and it would be faked. I know how to fake win statements.
I bypass those sideways documents, it appears that your 3-year old scribbled all over them.
But go right ahead and post faked win statements, if that's all you got....who would object?
And then let us know about the terms of your challenge, or any random opportunity to observe you.
This time add a forfeit penalty, as I know you to back out of these agreements.
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The plain fact is there are plenty of advantage Player's on here who know I tell it straight. You attempt to discredit me because you don't know how to accomplish what I do. That's a sad state of affairs for you, not me.
Quote: MDawgI believe the opportunity to which CoachBelly refers would be having someone come along, SHOTGUN, with DarkOz, on the bus as he makes his rounds on a typical day. A day chosen at random.
When Wizard and I were trying to find the date for that session I proposed a variety and then Wizard showed up the day he could. At random.
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Coachbelly would just claim he didn't see it so it doesn't count.
The Wizard is welcome to come along on one of my jaunts to see if I tell it like it is but I would lay donuts to dollars that Wizard will just say such a trip is unnecessary since I only make claims that are within the realm of possibility. He doesn't need to accompany someone to prove something mathematically possible is actually mathematically possible.
Anyone who says it is possible to "fake" table game reported results is just saying so with no basis for his thoughts, and probably isn't even much of a table game player anyway. Nowadays too, at casinos such as Resorts World Vegas nothing but manual override is left to human hands and everything is tracked electronically via the RFID embedded chips themselves. When I first started playing at RW Vegas there were some bugs in the system but over time I haven't seen the pit bosses have to step in to do much of anything as far as bet tracking as the system has been working nearly flawlessly.
Quote: darkozHe doesn't need to accompany someone to prove something mathematically possible is actually mathematically possible.
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Oh I'm sure the reason the Wizard came along to witness my session was because he was paid for his time. If you offer to fly Wizard out there, put him up in a nice hotel, and pay for his time, I am sure he will take you up.
Plus the questions that remain vis a vis DarkOz are such as...On which weeks (if any) does he make $20000.? On the day chosen at random how much did DarkOz bring in? Does he make money off new players, or old established players? Does he pay his workers anything more than slave labor rates? Does he like to sit by the window or the aisle of the bus? And so on.
Quote: darkozThe plain fact is there are plenty of advantage Player's on here who know I tell it straight.
A popularity contest is not evidence of fact, as far as you know most members do not believe you.
But you can attempt to gain real credibility...be like MDawg and post win statements, offer a challenge, or an opportunity to have your play observed at random.
Something besides your uncorroborated testimony.
Quote: coachbellyQuote: darkozThe plain fact is there are plenty of advantage Player's on here who know I tell it straight.
A popularity contest is not evidence of fact, as far as you know most members do not believe you.
But you can attempt to gain real credibility...be like MDawg and post win statements, offer a challenge, or an opportunity to have your play observed at random.
Something besides your uncorroborated testimony.
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The security documents I posted where they state what I won on just two days including how much Freeplay I had and my cash out are already posted in the GN AC thread.
It's funny that you kept posting in that thread until the day I put up the evidence. Didn't want to admit that it was posted did you?
Quote: darkozCoachbelly would just claim he didn't see it so it doesn't count.
That's a strawman argument...the best we can expect form the man behind the curtain.
Quote: MDawgQuote: darkozHe doesn't need to accompany someone to prove something mathematically possible is actually mathematically possible.
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Oh I'm sure the reason the Wizard came along to witness my session was because he was paid for his time. If you offer to fly Wizard out there, put him up in a nice hotel, and pay for his time, I am sure he will take you up.
Plus the questions that remain vis a vis DarkOz are such as...On which weeks (if any) does he make $20000.? On the day chosen at random how much did DarkOz bring in? Does he make money off new players, or old established players? Does he pay his workers anything more than slave labor rates? Does he like to sit by the window or the aisle of the bus? And so on.
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If you kept on reading the GN AC thread you would have already received answers for most of those questions.
I flew the Wizard out and paid for his hotel for his expert testimony in my backrooming trial against Resorts World for multicarding. He already has posted here that I multi-card.
Quote: coachbellyQuote: darkozCoachbelly would just claim he didn't see it so it doesn't count.
That's a strawman argument...the best we can expect form the man behind the curtain.
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Yet you didn't deny it was true!
Quote: MDawgIf you offer to fly Wizard out there, put him up in a nice hotel, and pay for his time, I am sure he will take you up.
Deja Vu all over again.
I'll do it on my own dime, after all we're neighbors.
Quote: MDawgYes but as far as I may see, no one believes the "$20000 a week" line. Not even you, ever since you added the * asterisk.
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Not since I posted the documents. I suggest you keep up to date on my thread.
Quote: darkozYet you didn't deny it was true!
That's not true, I'll accept the Wizard's report on your play, the same as I accepted his report on MDawg's.
Now that we've established precedent, when does the curtain get pulled back?
Quote: darkozBut not every week!
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Quote: MDawgThe asterisk remains!
Quote: darkozBut not every week!
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So you are faulting me for being truthful?
I don't claim to make $20,000 every week and you find that suspect?
Lol, SMH!
Quote: darkozIt's funny that you kept posting in that thread until the day I put up the evidence.
What thread do you mean?...isn't that this thread?
Now stop deflecting and set up the challenge or observation or whatever...and no backing out this time without penalty.
Quote: coachbellyQuote: darkozIt's funny that you kept posting in that thread until the day I put up the evidence.
What thread do you mean?...isn't that this thread?
Now stop deflecting and set up the challenge or observation or whatever...and no backing out this time without penalty.
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You mean that thread with no link?
What games you playing bro?
Quote: darkozYou mean that thread with no link?
No I mean the thread that we are in right now...this thread.
What other thread do you mean...did you provide a link?
Anyway, if that thread proves that DarkOz is for real then a chosen at random Wizard witnessed session about MDawg proves the same. Both are One Day in the Life. In fact....
(Posted by DarkOz after the results of the Wizard witnessed session were disclosed.)
Quote: MDawgI never saw any evidence just a picture of DarkOz. Which I don't know why he posted that. That picture combined with his yards of text about his purported operation would be enough for some jerk off to start a letter writing campaign to the casinos about him, which is exactly what at least a couple of (one former, one current) WOV members claim to have done about the person they believe is MDawg.
Anyway, if that thread proves that DarkOz is for real then a chosen at random Wizard witnessed session about MDawg proves the same. Both are One Day in the Life. In fact....
(Posted by DarkOz after the results of the Wizard witnessed session were disclosed.)
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So basically you admit you didn't read the thread where the evidence is posted and that's your evidence?
Quote: coachbellyQuote: darkozYou mean that thread with no link?
No I mean the thread that we are in right now...this thread.
What other thread do you mean...did you provide a link?
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If you refuse to read and understand that's even more reason for us to never meet. I don't tolerate people with the inability to understand what they read.
Quote: darkozQuote: coachbellyQuote: darkozThe plain fact is there are plenty of advantage Player's on here who know I tell it straight.
A popularity contest is not evidence of fact, as far as you know most members do not believe you.
But you can attempt to gain real credibility...be like MDawg and post win statements, offer a challenge, or an opportunity to have your play observed at random.
Something besides your uncorroborated testimony.
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The security documents I posted where they state what I won on just two days including how much Freeplay I had and my cash out are already posted in the GN AC thread.
It's funny that you kept posting in that thread until the day I put up the evidence. Didn't want to admit that it was posted did you?
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Quote: MDawgDidn't the DarkOz claim that it is "easy" to fake results? That doesn't apply to him?
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Of course it applies to me as to you. Watch most episodes of American Greed and you see people who manage to fake all kinds of crazy stuff.
There have been casino chips faked so we'll the casinos couldn't tell the difference (one innovation was to simply paint real chips to a different denomination.
There was a guy who faked antique wines.
That's what I am trying to say. Posting win documents doesn't prove anything. Especially to advantage player's savvy enough to know how to trick win systems
MDawg, you posted above how RFID chips prevent table pit bosses from recording information incorrectly and yet just watch that card counter documentary (I think it's the Inside Edge or something like that on Amazon, the Wizard is even interviewed in it) and you will see how quickly an Advantage Player actually utilized RFID chips to fake his wins.
Like literally what you say is beyond belief is described and shown right there on Amazon.
This is what I am referring to when you make claims that your win evidence is irrefutable.
You just underestimate how resourceful a good advantage player can be. They can literally take the technology meant to protect a casino and flip it in a heartbeat to where it's even more destructive.
You're just completely in the, uh, DARK (like your first name) on this one. It's not done, it's just not possible. Might be able to fudge results a bit to make it seem like you won a little less than you did, but to play hundreds of sessions above board and consistently make them show as something utterly different from what they were cannot happen, would not happen. And that's coming from the Pope of Las Vegas.