The Adventures of MDawg II

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I wonder how selective the enforcement will be? I've gone into Starbucks and used their WiFi occasionally, bathrooms more rarely, when traveling, without buying anything.

My guess is that it will not be strict for those that look the part of customers. They are probably just trying to justify a way to get rid of the undesirables.

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I wonder how selective the enforcement will be? I've gone into Starbucks and used their WiFi occasionally, bathrooms more rarely, when traveling, without buying anything.

My guess is that it will not be strict for those that look the part of customers. They are probably just trying to justify a way to get rid of the undesirables.
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They are trying to increase sales. There are potential customers that don’t want to wade through a homeless encampment and find no seats. Who just won’t enter because of such. How it ever came to be that you even thought you could park your butt at a table, open your laptop, use the WIFI, without making a purchase is beyond me. I gotta stop here unless I want to be suspended!

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I wonder how selective the enforcement will be? I've gone into Starbucks and used their WiFi occasionally, bathrooms more rarely, when traveling, without buying anything.

My guess is that it will not be strict for those that look the part of customers. They are probably just trying to justify a way to get rid of the undesirables.
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They are trying to increase sales. There are potential customers that don’t want to wade through a homeless encampment and find no seats. Who just won’t enter because of such. How it ever came to be that you even thought you could park your butt at a table, open your laptop, use the WIFI, without making a purchase is beyond me. I gotta stop here unless I want to be suspended!
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Not too many homeless are opening their laptops and accessing wifi.

Not too many homeless walking around with laptops.

Most homeless go to the library and use the free to use computer.

In my experience. As someone who was homeless at one time.

Years ago I used the internet at the Clark County Vegas library, the one located at 1401 E. Flamingo Rd., this was when hotels weren't all equipped for WiFi quite yet, still had ethernet cables for hookup if that.

When I was in law school, I've used the internet at the law libraries at law schools.

As far as Starbucks, if we're traveling and in between places, just checked out of one and not yet checked into the other and I have a need, I have popped into a Starbucks to use their free WiFi, but never stayed very long. Have also used Starbucks internet when traveling in a city on business, not staying the night. I have a Starbucks account and money loaded onto it from free Starbucks cards I've received through this or that promo, but don't always buy anything when at Starbucks. For one thing, I like tea and I'm not paying ten bucks for hot water and a tea bag. If I'm in the mood for coffee, I might get some kind of cappuccino or mocha. I get a free drink on my birthday, but forgot to pick it up this past year.

Caesars 7 Stars get a free Starbucks drink (plus 3 other drinks or bottles of Gatorade, Pelligrino, or whatever) daily, and I do avail of that for my wife when in Tahoe and staying in house, but at Caesars Vegas they have a very good coffee machine that makes fresh ground espresso, cappuccino, and about anything else including hot chocolate and chai drinks, in the 7 Stars lounge, so I don't bother with Starbucks at all. (Venetian/Palazzo VIP has two of these high end machines as well.)

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I wonder how selective the enforcement will be? I've gone into Starbucks and used their WiFi occasionally, bathrooms more rarely, when traveling, without buying anything.

My guess is that it will not be strict for those that look the part of customers. They are probably just trying to justify a way to get rid of the undesirables.
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They are trying to increase sales. There are potential customers that don’t want to wade through a homeless encampment and find no seats. Who just won’t enter because of such. How it ever came to be that you even thought you could park your butt at a table, open your laptop, use the WIFI, without making a purchase is beyond me. I gotta stop here unless I want to be suspended!
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Not too many homeless are opening their laptops and accessing wifi.

Not too many homeless walking around with laptops.

Most homeless go to the library and use the free to use computer.

In my experience. As someone who was homeless at one time.
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Maybe I was misunderstood. I don’t want to wade through the homeless encampment. AND I want that seat that is taken by the guy using the Starbucks as his work from home computer office. I didn’t mean to imply the computer guy was homeless. Just bad for Starbucks business. I’ve used a Starbucks as a waiting place. I’d always fork over a few $$ for an espresso. Seems fair to me.

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I wonder how selective the enforcement will be? I've gone into Starbucks and used their WiFi occasionally, bathrooms more rarely, when traveling, without buying anything.

My guess is that it will not be strict for those that look the part of customers. They are probably just trying to justify a way to get rid of the undesirables.
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They are trying to increase sales. There are potential customers that don’t want to wade through a homeless encampment and find no seats. Who just won’t enter because of such. How it ever came to be that you even thought you could park your butt at a table, open your laptop, use the WIFI, without making a purchase is beyond me. I gotta stop here unless I want to be suspended!
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Not too many homeless are opening their laptops and accessing wifi.

Not too many homeless walking around with laptops.

Most homeless go to the library and use the free to use computer.

In my experience. As someone who was homeless at one time.
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Maybe I was misunderstood. I don’t want to wade through the homeless encampment. AND I want that seat that is taken by the guy using the Starbucks as his work from home computer office. I didn’t mean to imply the computer guy was homeless. Just bad for Starbucks business. I’ve used a Starbucks as a waiting place. I’d always fork over a few $$ for an espresso. Seems fair to me.
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I agree with the sentiment especially with the guys who don't make purchases.

Homeless people have a knack for raising enough for coffee. You may find yourself still sitting next to homeless people.

The easiest way to eliminate homeless from your establishment is to remove all seating. Of course regular customers can't sit either. Everything becomes a to go order

Day 1 play

Got more than a little ahead of myself. Was down -240K at the low won back 180K of it pretty quickly had a heck of a time winning back the rest but eventually did it.

This / These would be my all time greatest recovery session(s).

+5400

Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.

And this is the MDawg challenge.

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Day 1 play

Got more than a little ahead of myself. Was down -240K at the low won back 180K of it pretty quickly had a heck of a time winning back the rest but eventually did it.

This / These would be my all time greatest recovery session(s).

+5400

Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.

And this is the MDawg challenge.
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I totally believe in inertia when playing, that if things are going one way they will continue going that way until they stop. That's why when I see it not playing my game I quit and only start betting again when it does turn around. For some reason you just play through those times but this could be in your favor in that the casino is going to look at you like somebody who could go on a losing streak and give back a lot of your winnings permanently.

These last two trips there have been several sessions / days when I was down a good amount. One of them I gave up and left the loss intact, the others I came back to end up ahead.

Has MDawg been kind enough to explain in detail his strategy for consistently winning at high limit baccarat or are we still all twiddling our thumbs on when he's going to release a fully transparent accounting of his yearly wins/losses?

That watch Zuck spent almost a million on shows the kind of taste he has in male fashion aesthetics. None.

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Has MDawg been kind enough to explain in detail his strategy for consistently winning at high limit baccarat or are we still all twiddling our thumbs on when he's going to release a fully transparent accounting of his yearly wins/losses?
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It was explained in a long post a few days ago. A good explanation and fairly detailed for those that know how to read it.

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Has MDawg been kind enough to explain in detail his strategy for consistently winning at high limit baccarat or are we still all twiddling our thumbs on when he's going to release a fully transparent accounting of his yearly wins/losses?

That watch Zuck spent almost a million on shows the kind of taste he has in male fashion aesthetics. None.
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Having followed this thread for years…..

No, he won’t describe in detail his strategy on a public gambling forum. Would you?

No, he won’t present an exact accounting of his yearly take, just in case by some chance it might slightly differ from what he reports to the IRS. Would you?

He does give daily ups/downs, so if it matters to you, you can do the math.

As far as Zuck’s watch, I gotta agree. Nothing about it says ‘I want that watch’. I’m not a wearer of watches, but I do appreciate most of the watches MDawg has shown us from his collection.

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Has MDawg been kind enough to explain in detail his strategy for consistently winning at high limit baccarat or are we still all twiddling our thumbs on when he's going to release a fully transparent accounting of his yearly wins/losses?

That watch Zuck spent almost a million on shows the kind of taste he has in male fashion aesthetics. None.
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Having followed this thread for years…..

No, he won’t describe in detail his strategy on a public gambling forum. Would you?
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But he did describe it and it was posted here about a week ago and Axel was given a suspension for posting it because it was from another forum. He goes into pretty good detail about what he does, I understood all of it because it's basically what I do. I absolutely 100% believe he does what he says he does because I know it works. Go back and look for it, I'm not going to link to it because I don't want to get suspended.

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Has MDawg been kind enough to explain in detail his strategy for consistently winning at high limit baccarat or are we still all twiddling our thumbs on when he's going to release a fully transparent accounting of his yearly wins/losses?

That watch Zuck spent almost a million on shows the kind of taste he has in male fashion aesthetics. None.
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Here is my theory on his advantage.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/37479-hypothetical-ap-move/

Day 2 play

One long great session. Was down maybe -10K near beginning, then fairly steady climb up. Max bet was 50K, just once (won), advantage hand with expected outcome! (Love it when a plan comes together.)

Yes there were some bumpy spots, some back and forth, but all navigated on the upside.

+115000

Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.

And this is the MDawg challenge.

Some of the dealers have been joking, Sell ____ stock now, because MDawg's bringing the quarter down.


But let's face it, whatever I have won lately is an insignificant blip in the over all scheme of things.

Day 3 play

I was moving ahead swimmingly when a downturn happened lot of losing hands bottomed at -160K then rallied a little at a time to end ahead.

More than a few 50K hands along the way with mixed results.

+35000

Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.

And this is the MDawg challenge.

$150k last two days. Not bad!
SOOPOO up $330 his last two casino trips.

There’s a reason there’s an MDawg thread and not a SOOPOO thread.

Are you ‘nervous’ when you plop down a $50k bet? Or is it ‘just part of the process’ to you?

I’ve had to make some $250 sports bets recently, and I must admit I get nervous even at that level!

I don’t put down 50K unless I know something about what’s to come but as nothing is guaranteed of course a $50k bet involves a lot more emotion than a $500 or $1000 bet.

After winning one large bet or especially two in a row though there’s really not much emotion or thinking to the third it’s automatic if on an expected run.

If my reserved table is not in the back sometimes spectators stop by to watch and I actually don’t like that. I should ignore but it somehow makes me feel like I have to win every hand which is of course not possible. I prefer anonymity in any case.

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$150k last two days. Not bad!
SOOPOO up $330 his last two casino trips.

I just returned from four days in Vegas and didn't gamble a single cent.

I was like that during my decade or so hiatus from gaming - went to Vegas somewhat frequently never played a dime. Or even a nickel or penny.

Did seem to find a lot of change lying around - still do. In fact on the last trip I found over $5 in change in various places no one else seemed to notice. This, finding over five dollars in change bit by bit, is more remarkable to my wife than all the money I’ve won at the tables lately (although - granted - I don’t tell her exactly what I’ve won I round down heavily).

How often do you run into lost change? Or lost things? I seem to run into cash or lost items fairly regularly. Cliche as it might sound have even run into the C note stuck to my heel. Just reached down and there it was. My wife says that money just somehow comes to me.

Words of wisdom given to me in my youth by my Father - when walking you will never find anything looking up in the air. He would take me by the hand (I was about 5) and we would walk the curbs in downtown NiaFalls just after the snow melted finding coins that had been dropped into the snow near the parking meters. He told me this is what he did when he was a kid and that sometimes fights broke out as to who would get the best streets.
To this day I am still drawn to a variation of this. In parking lots there is usually an area where the snowplow has pushed the snow into and piled it. When it melts there is usually a perimeter of "gunk" where the snow pile had been. I almost always find coins. Works best in lots where there is a fast food or coffee joint as the snowplows move the dropped (or tossed out the car window) coins into the snow pile area. Last decade or so I have been finding fewer coins as I think many no longer pay with cash. I still do it as it makes me remember the best Father in the world a kid could have.

Nice memories.

Remembering and talking about those gone is how they live on.

Now go get the papers, get the papers.

There was Jimmy, and Tommy, and me...


For us, to live any other way was nuts.

Day 4 play

Major rough spot, lost two 50K hands in a row, was down -140K at the low point. Then I shuffled, cut precisely where I wanted to cut and...PAY DIRT! right where I expected to get paid, hand after hand.

+15000

Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.

And this is the MDawg challenge.

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Day 4 play

Major rough spot, lost two 50K hands in a row, was down -140K at the low point. Then I shuffled, cut precisely where I wanted to cut and...PAY DIRT! right where I expected to get paid, hand after hand.

+15000

Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.

And this is the MDawg challenge.
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Sounds like a weak preshuffled deck you took advantage of

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Axel got banned for just repeating something from elsewhere? I know we shouldn't import drama from other forums but that seems like a reasonable exception to the rule.

MDawg def made money off the preshuffled decks but that hasn't been a thing for years now that the casinos are aware of it. Whatever it was, Wiz said he understood what he was doing, that it was legit, but seemingly not something so groundbreaking that Wiz would spill the beans about.

I just hope it's not so lame to be favorable rates with the casino and that plus luck is enough to actually create a profit gambling. We know baccarat is similar to classic blackjack in that theoretically you can have a positive count and shoe, that can be exploited 6 out of 10 times for a profit. If a casino let's a high roller min bet until a favorable state in any game, then of course they're gonna win.

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Wiz said he understood what he was doing, that it was legit, but seemingly not something so groundbreaking that Wiz would spill the beans about.

Quote, please.

From what I believe, Mike(accidentally?) made a statement sometime later and then removed it (did he self-suspend himself?)

Mike's statement seemed to indicate there was no advantage on the game or something like that, at least that's what I and some others got out of it.

At this level virtually unlimited comps too, besides taking down the house.

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Wiz said he understood what he was doing, that it was legit, but seemingly not something so groundbreaking that Wiz would spill the beans about.

Quote, please.

From what I believe, Mike(accidentally?) made a statement sometime later and then removed it (did he self-suspend himself?)

Mike's statement seemed to indicate there was no advantage on the game or something like that, at least that's what I and some others got out of it.
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This forum sucks for searching so I'll take your word on it I'm misremembering details. I thought the speculation was that whatever it is, it's a known entity by Wizard so much so that he wasn't shocked by it and picked up intuitively what MDawg was doing. It also wasn't groundbreaking enough for him to redo his Baccarat wiki. It was also something not illegal.

Do those properties of what happened mean there's no advantage? In my mind, not necessarily. Much like watching a slot AP even if you don't quite know the exact math or board states for when they begin to play a machine, you can tell they're getting an advantage play off.

At the time Wizard corroborated my session report. Anything he had to say more than a few weeks after the event or certainly now would be meaningless as I guarantee he has absolutely no recollection of anything much that transpired. Wizard has pointed out that his memory of recent years is not at all what it used to be and precludes the ability to remember a few digit combination lock code.

As well during the session his attention was focused on the contest specifics.

I know what I did/do. I doubt he does/ever did. No one watching could know at least I hope not.

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As I’ve said many times, I wasn’t playing private tables at that time so didn’t have a way to set them up necessarily for my advantage.

But even so the ability to know every card in play remaining and what has been played and what it means certainly is something that is light years above the average player.

In any case - take the MDawg Challenge what are you waiting for?
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I know what I did/do. I doubt he does/ever did. No one watching could know at least I hope not.

Good point. I detailed a single ‘advantage play’ I used playing Pai Gow where I put an A-7 in the two card hand instead of the low pair. Keeping the full house intact. I had ‘information’ theoretically not available to me that made it the correct play. I told my friend why I did so, but clearly didn’t inform the dealer or pit boss why. Anyone watching would have probably thought ‘stupid guy got lucky’.
So whatever MDawg does, I’m sure he doesn’t announce it!

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This forum sucks for searching

Maybe the worst that I have ever seen.

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Wiz said he understood what he was doing, that it was legit, but seemingly not something so groundbreaking that Wiz would spill the beans about.

Quote, please.

From what I believe, Mike(accidentally?) made a statement sometime later and then removed it (did he self-suspend himself?)

Mike's statement seemed to indicate there was no advantage on the game or something like that, at least that's what I and some others got out of it.
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This forum sucks for searching so I'll take your word on it I'm misremembering details. I thought the speculation was that whatever it is, it's a known entity by Wizard so much so that he wasn't shocked by it and picked up intuitively what MDawg was doing. It also wasn't groundbreaking enough for him to redo his Baccarat wiki. It was also something not illegal.

Do those properties of what happened mean there's no advantage? In my mind, not necessarily. Much like watching a slot AP even if you don't quite know the exact math or board states for when they begin to play a machine, you can tell they're getting an advantage play off.
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If people really believe the casinos allow people to play big at baccarat and BJ year after year with RFB and the red carpet treatment at the same few casinos while noticeably winning day after day without calling in an expert to examine their play. I have some bridges to sell them.

If ptbosses and employees are commenting on how often you always win and exact records are being kept by the casinos, in what universe do you believe the casinos would just sit and take it in the A$$ for that long?

Even if there's an advantage via the back end with kickbacks and comps that doesn't explain the incredible constant win rates on the games themselves. The advantage one would have to have with such incredible win rates would be very detectable.

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Wiz said he understood what he was doing, that it was legit, but seemingly not something so groundbreaking that Wiz would spill the beans about.

Quote, please.

From what I believe, Mike(accidentally?) made a statement sometime later and then removed it (did he self-suspend himself?)

Mike's statement seemed to indicate there was no advantage on the game or something like that, at least that's what I and some others got out of it.
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This forum sucks for searching so I'll take your word on it I'm misremembering details. I thought the speculation was that whatever it is, it's a known entity by Wizard so much so that he wasn't shocked by it and picked up intuitively what MDawg was doing. It also wasn't groundbreaking enough for him to redo his Baccarat wiki. It was also something not illegal.

Do those properties of what happened mean there's no advantage? In my mind, not necessarily. Much like watching a slot AP even if you don't quite know the exact math or board states for when they begin to play a machine, you can tell they're getting an advantage play off.
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If people really believe the casinos allow people to play big at baccarat and BJ year after year with RFB and the red carpet treatment at the same few casinos while noticeably winning day after day without calling in an expert to examine their play. I have some bridges to sell them.

If ptbosses and employees are commenting on how often you always win and exact records are being kept by the casinos, in what universe do you believe the casinos would just sit and take it in the A$$ for that long?

Even if there's an advantage via the back end with kickbacks and comps that doesn't explain the incredible constant win rates on the games themselves. The advantage one would have to have with such incredible win rates would be very detectable.
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My theory is that he loses enough sometimes that it gives the casinos hope he'll have a losing streak where he gives back all the money. He also posts his losses here and they are quite substantial sometimes. If I worked at the casino I would not know what to think.

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Wiz said he understood what he was doing, that it was legit, but seemingly not something so groundbreaking that Wiz would spill the beans about.

Quote, please.

From what I believe, Mike(accidentally?) made a statement sometime later and then removed it (did he self-suspend himself?)

Mike's statement seemed to indicate there was no advantage on the game or something like that, at least that's what I and some others got out of it.
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This forum sucks for searching so I'll take your word on it I'm misremembering details. I thought the speculation was that whatever it is, it's a known entity by Wizard so much so that he wasn't shocked by it and picked up intuitively what MDawg was doing. It also wasn't groundbreaking enough for him to redo his Baccarat wiki. It was also something not illegal.

Do those properties of what happened mean there's no advantage? In my mind, not necessarily. Much like watching a slot AP even if you don't quite know the exact math or board states for when they begin to play a machine, you can tell they're getting an advantage play off.
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If people really believe the casinos allow people to play big at baccarat and BJ year after year with RFB and the red carpet treatment at the same few casinos while noticeably winning day after day without calling in an expert to examine their play. I have some bridges to sell them.

If ptbosses and employees are commenting on how often you always win and exact records are being kept by the casinos, in what universe do you believe the casinos would just sit and take it in the A$$ for that long?

Even if there's an advantage via the back end with kickbacks and comps that doesn't explain the incredible constant win rates on the games themselves. The advantage one would have to have with such incredible win rates would be very detectable.
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My weird pet theory was simply that MDawg is in fact a well respected watch dealer and has enough close personal connections with various people in the properties he gambles at that even if he's seriously up against the casino, he brings in far more 'dumb money' than he walks away with. And that's a big 'if' he's even up over all these years.

The other is the fact casino crews have talked about a certain small percentage of yearly players that are genuinely always winning against the casino as the statistical anamoly against all the losers. It's like a small sliver of percentage of players though. I'm technically life-time up against casinos in my play, but I'm also aware that eventually this will swing to the other side and I'll be a lifetime loser, with the caveat that I'll have really fun memories of the times I won / great stories of when I lost.

EvenBob --- They have formulas for whether a player is worth keeping around or stopping the red carpet treatment in hopes they move on to another casino, or more bluntly getting them to move on by more forceful means. The key part to this is that the higher ups have some discretion to follow what the math says or not.

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Wiz said he understood what he was doing, that it was legit, but seemingly not something so groundbreaking that Wiz would spill the beans about.

Quote, please.

From what I believe, Mike(accidentally?) made a statement sometime later and then removed it (did he self-suspend himself?)

Mike's statement seemed to indicate there was no advantage on the game or something like that, at least that's what I and some others got out of it.
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This forum sucks for searching so I'll take your word on it I'm misremembering details. I thought the speculation was that whatever it is, it's a known entity by Wizard so much so that he wasn't shocked by it and picked up intuitively what MDawg was doing. It also wasn't groundbreaking enough for him to redo his Baccarat wiki. It was also something not illegal.

Do those properties of what happened mean there's no advantage? In my mind, not necessarily. Much like watching a slot AP even if you don't quite know the exact math or board states for when they begin to play a machine, you can tell they're getting an advantage play off.
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If people really believe the casinos allow people to play big at baccarat and BJ year after year with RFB and the red carpet treatment at the same few casinos while noticeably winning day after day without calling in an expert to examine their play. I have some bridges to sell them.

If ptbosses and employees are commenting on how often you always win and exact records are being kept by the casinos, in what universe do you believe the casinos would just sit and take it in the A$$ for that long?

Even if there's an advantage via the back end with kickbacks and comps that doesn't explain the incredible constant win rates on the games themselves. The advantage one would have to have with such incredible win rates would be very detectable.
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My theory is that he loses enough sometimes that it gives the casinos hope he'll have a losing streak where he gives back all the money. He also posts his losses here and they are quite substantial sometimes. If I worked at the casino I would not know what to think.
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He claims that you can't hide losses on the games he plays as they track all chips (Win/Losses) to a tee and his playing on credit also is tracked.

Yes, casinos will disregard some lucky streaks as just that, lucky streaks, even for quite some time, especially if they don't have an exact accounting. But how long do you think they will tolerate a known semi-regular who is playing with an advantage(even without a known advantage) and wins at such a high winning percentage for years all while flaunting it? Sooner, rather than later... someome would notice it's beyond luck. Guys get paid to investigate and figure out what's going on when people win too frequently. You don't think someome like Teliot would be able to figure out exactly what's going on?

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Wiz said he understood what he was doing, that it was legit, but seemingly not something so groundbreaking that Wiz would spill the beans about.

Quote, please.

From what I believe, Mike(accidentally?) made a statement sometime later and then removed it (did he self-suspend himself?)

Mike's statement seemed to indicate there was no advantage on the game or something like that, at least that's what I and some others got out of it.
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This forum sucks for searching so I'll take your word on it I'm misremembering details. I thought the speculation was that whatever it is, it's a known entity by Wizard so much so that he wasn't shocked by it and picked up intuitively what MDawg was doing. It also wasn't groundbreaking enough for him to redo his Baccarat wiki. It was also something not illegal.

Do those properties of what happened mean there's no advantage? In my mind, not necessarily. Much like watching a slot AP even if you don't quite know the exact math or board states for when they begin to play a machine, you can tell they're getting an advantage play off.
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If people really believe the casinos allow people to play big at baccarat and BJ year after year with RFB and the red carpet treatment at the same few casinos while noticeably winning day after day without calling in an expert to examine their play. I have some bridges to sell them.

If ptbosses and employees are commenting on how often you always win and exact records are being kept by the casinos, in what universe do you believe the casinos would just sit and take it in the A$$ for that long?

Even if there's an advantage via the back end with kickbacks and comps that doesn't explain the incredible constant win rates on the games themselves. The advantage one would have to have with such incredible win rates would be very detectable.
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My theory is that he loses enough sometimes that it gives the casinos hope he'll have a losing streak where he gives back all the money. He also posts his losses here and they are quite substantial sometimes. If I worked at the casino I would not know what to think.
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He claims that you can't hide losses on the games he plays as they track all chips (Win/Losses) to a tee and his playing on credit also is tracked.

Yes, casinos will disregard some lucky streaks as just that, lucky streaks, even for quite some time, especially if they don't have an exact accounting. But how long do you think they will tolerate a known semi-regular who is playing with an advantage(even without a known advantage) and wins at such a high winning percentage for years all while flaunting it? Sooner, rather than later... someome would notice it's beyond luck. Guys get paid to investigate and figure out what's going on when people win too frequently. You don't think someome like Teliot would be able to figure out exactly what's going on?
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Serious question, AW…. Don’t YOU take the casinos for 6 figures every year, and have done so for decades now? And don’t you have a few guys ( or more?) that you ‘work with’ that have done so as well? And the casinos are unable to figure it out and stop you and your teammates? Same for DarkOz. Sounds like he is a year after year 6 figure winner as well.

I’m not saying I believe or disbelieve MDawg’s claims. Just realize that there are those who would look at your claims and NOT believe the casinos wouldn’t stop you. (I DO believe your claims, 100%, by the way).

Day 5 play

Was one point where I was down about -9000 but really that's nothing, and pretty smooth sailing the rest of the session. There was a point towards the end where I was clipping them for almost every hand, should have bet more.

+51000

Note: Lately, for security reasons, session reports are not necessarily presented in real time corresponding directly to the day played.

And this is the MDawg challenge.

Having done this myself with Wizard (rappelling near Red Rock), I invite Wizard's comment on how or why this happened? He and I talked about one mishap being - that your rope isn't long enough, but that isn't what happened here.

‘Her smile was contagious’: California climber falls to death at Red Rock

Although she was a skilled climber with experience climbing difficult routes graded 5.11 and 5.12, she was new to “trad climbing,” in which the climber places their own gear into the rocks. That sort of climbing is more dangerous, as it is easier for the gear to fall out.

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Wiz said he understood what he was doing, that it was legit, but seemingly not something so groundbreaking that Wiz would spill the beans about.

Quote, please.

From what I believe, Mike(accidentally?) made a statement sometime later and then removed it (did he self-suspend himself?)

Mike's statement seemed to indicate there was no advantage on the game or something like that, at least that's what I and some others got out of it.
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This forum sucks for searching so I'll take your word on it I'm misremembering details. I thought the speculation was that whatever it is, it's a known entity by Wizard so much so that he wasn't shocked by it and picked up intuitively what MDawg was doing. It also wasn't groundbreaking enough for him to redo his Baccarat wiki. It was also something not illegal.

Do those properties of what happened mean there's no advantage? In my mind, not necessarily. Much like watching a slot AP even if you don't quite know the exact math or board states for when they begin to play a machine, you can tell they're getting an advantage play off.
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If people really believe the casinos allow people to play big at baccarat and BJ year after year with RFB and the red carpet treatment at the same few casinos while noticeably winning day after day without calling in an expert to examine their play. I have some bridges to sell them.

If ptbosses and employees are commenting on how often you always win and exact records are being kept by the casinos, in what universe do you believe the casinos would just sit and take it in the A$$ for that long?

Even if there's an advantage via the back end with kickbacks and comps that doesn't explain the incredible constant win rates on the games themselves. The advantage one would have to have with such incredible win rates would be very detectable.
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My theory is that he loses enough sometimes that it gives the casinos hope he'll have a losing streak where he gives back all the money. He also posts his losses here and they are quite substantial sometimes. If I worked at the casino I would not know what to think.
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He claims that you can't hide losses on the games he plays as they track all chips (Win/Losses) to a tee and his playing on credit also is tracked.

Yes, casinos will disregard some lucky streaks as just that, lucky streaks, even for quite some time, especially if they don't have an exact accounting. But how long do you think they will tolerate a known semi-regular who is playing with an advantage(even without a known advantage) and wins at such a high winning percentage for years all while flaunting it? Sooner, rather than later... someome would notice it's beyond luck. Guys get paid to investigate and figure out what's going on when people win too frequently. You don't think someome like Teliot would be able to figure out exactly what's going on?
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Serious question, AW…. Don’t YOU take the casinos for 6 figures every year, and have done so for decades now? And don’t you have a few guys ( or more?) that you ‘work with’ that have done so as well? And the casinos are unable to figure it out and stop you and your teammates? Same for DarkOz. Sounds like he is a year after year 6 figure winner as well.

I’m not saying I believe or disbelieve MDawg’s claims. Just realize that there are those who would look at your claims and NOT believe the casinos wouldn’t stop you. (I DO believe your claims, 100%, by the way).
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The major difference is I freely admit the casinos will do everything and anything to get rid of me. My particular AP is just really difficult from a trespass angle to get rid of me.

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Wiz said he understood what he was doing, that it was legit, but seemingly not something so groundbreaking that Wiz would spill the beans about.

Quote, please.

From what I believe, Mike(accidentally?) made a statement sometime later and then removed it (did he self-suspend himself?)

Mike's statement seemed to indicate there was no advantage on the game or something like that, at least that's what I and some others got out of it.
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This forum sucks for searching so I'll take your word on it I'm misremembering details. I thought the speculation was that whatever it is, it's a known entity by Wizard so much so that he wasn't shocked by it and picked up intuitively what MDawg was doing. It also wasn't groundbreaking enough for him to redo his Baccarat wiki. It was also something not illegal.

Do those properties of what happened mean there's no advantage? In my mind, not necessarily. Much like watching a slot AP even if you don't quite know the exact math or board states for when they begin to play a machine, you can tell they're getting an advantage play off.
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If people really believe the casinos allow people to play big at baccarat and BJ year after year with RFB and the red carpet treatment at the same few casinos while noticeably winning day after day without calling in an expert to examine their play. I have some bridges to sell them.

If ptbosses and employees are commenting on how often you always win and exact records are being kept by the casinos, in what universe do you believe the casinos would just sit and take it in the A$$ for that long?

Even if there's an advantage via the back end with kickbacks and comps that doesn't explain the incredible constant win rates on the games themselves. The advantage one would have to have with such incredible win rates would be very detectable.
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My theory is that he loses enough sometimes that it gives the casinos hope he'll have a losing streak where he gives back all the money. He also posts his losses here and they are quite substantial sometimes. If I worked at the casino I would not know what to think.
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He claims that you can't hide losses on the games he plays as they track all chips (Win/Losses) to a tee and his playing on credit also is tracked.

Yes, casinos will disregard some lucky streaks as just that, lucky streaks, even for quite some time, especially if they don't have an exact accounting. But how long do you think they will tolerate a known semi-regular who is playing with an advantage(even without a known advantage) and wins at such a high winning percentage for years all while flaunting it? Sooner, rather than later... someome would notice it's beyond luck. Guys get paid to investigate and figure out what's going on when people win too frequently. You don't think someome like Teliot would be able to figure out exactly what's going on?
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Serious question, AW…. Don’t YOU take the casinos for 6 figures every year, and have done so for decades now? And don’t you have a few guys ( or more?) that you ‘work with’ that have done so as well? And the casinos are unable to figure it out and stop you and your teammates? Same for DarkOz. Sounds like he is a year after year 6 figure winner as well.

I’m not saying I believe or disbelieve MDawg’s claims. Just realize that there are those who would look at your claims and NOT believe the casinos wouldn’t stop you. (I DO believe your claims, 100%, by the way).
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I don't discuss publicly how much money I have made or make, except on a few rare occasions I might give a ballpark on something I played.

And yes, I have been a full-time AP since the early 90's including a few plays before I was even 21.

Yes, I have had employees, teammates, and temporary AP partnerships.

"And the casinos are unable to figure it out and stop you and your teammates?" NO, they are not UNABLE to figure things out and stop us, THEY DO FIGURE THINGS OUT AND STOP US ALL THE TIME. Heck, I have gone on some promo plays where they stopped us before they started the promo, just because we showed up and got ready to play.

Do you know how many locations I have been 86'ed from? Far too many for me to remember and sometimes multiple times at the same casinos. Ballpark, 30+.

●I have been backroom multiple times, threatened, physically, civilly, and even roughed up by security more than once.
●I have been added to the Griffen book(perhaps multiple times)
●I have been contacted by gaming and accused of running the CalCorp Card counting team and being on the MIT team.
●I have been falsely accused of things and even falsely arrested.
● I have had to deal with NGC multiple times
Most of that happened within the first 7 years of being a Pro.

I'm sure you are asking yourself how one can keep going.
For one, there are hundreds of gambling venues in Las Vegas alone(I don't stick to the same 4-7 locations)
There are a multitude of different plays and games that I play. I'm not sticking to the same few games and plays over and over while engaging with the same Pit Bosses, hosts, and employees over and over while chit-chatting about how often I win and having a gay old time.

I don't often announce I'm coming with room reservations, lines of credit Etc. As far as they know I'm just some random Joe playing a random game.

If I am trespassed from a casino I normally let things cool off before I go back in. In the meantime, if there is still a viable play in a location I shouldn't be in...I have options. Thus the benefit of having employees, teammates, and temporary AP partnerships.

After a cooling-off period, there's a very good chance they won't even notice you. You can change your look, and even use an alias if need be. You can use other people's cards if needed. Sure there are some plays and places where you can't continue yourself since it's enviable you will be exposed.

There are many places that for one reason or another there's no record of the fact that you have been trespassed.

I do my best to not stick out, but it's not always possible on certain promo plays, it's just too obvious at some point(normally once the casinos start handing out too much money).

I avoid high-fiving employees, I reluctantly deal with hosts unless it's necessary or highly beneficial, and I would say 75% of my RFB just go to waste because I don't even want the casinos to know I'm there. On certain plays, even when traveling, I may not even stay at the casino I'm playing at or take any comps whatsoever.

There are many situations in what I do where the casinos have no clue you are winning and they actually think you are losing big, therefore the play and yourself might last a long time. From all accounts of what MDawg has been saying he can't hide his wins(or losses) and they notice how he is always winning.

It's pretty hard to fathom that somebody can be sitting at private high-limit tables for years while winning consistently at such high percentage rates. Meanwhile, the Pit Bosses comment about how often you win and someone not look into it and figure out what's going on. There are times when they can't figure out what's going so they just tell you they don't want your action anymore.

It's a very night-and-day situation we are talking about. Supposedly he's at these casinos with bells on flaunting it(or so it would seem) and they know he's consistently winning big time(allegedly). Meanwhile, I'm doing everything I can within reason to avoid the casinos even knowing I'm there, if at all possible.

The most obvious solution to this problem is simply MDawg is wrong and loses more than he wins in any given year. Hence why I always ask for transparency. For example, in the craps community you have people like VegasDayTripper that has a website of all his wins and losses and he's down 300000 last year, 90000 in 2023, and currently up 9000 this year. People in VP community like the Gents post their daily and yearly losses and wins. They don't discuss kickbacks and loss rebates but that's perfectly fine imho and out of reach for most gamblers.

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"And the casinos are unable to figure it out and stop you and your teammates?" NO, they are not UNABLE to figure things out and stop us, THEY DO FIGURE THINGS OUT AND STOP US ALL THE TIME. Heck, I have gone on some promo plays where they stopped us before they started the promo, just because we showed up and got ready to play.

Do you know how many locations I have been 86'ed from? Far too many for me to remember and sometimes multiple times at the same casinos. Ballpark, 30+.

●I have been backroom multiple times, threatened, physically, civilly, and even roughed up by security more than once.
●I have been added to the Griffen book(perhaps multiple times)
●I have been contacted by gaming and accused of running the CalCorp Card counting team and being on the MIT team.
●I have been falsely accused of things and even falsely arrested.
● I have had to deal with NGC multiple times
Most of that happened within the first 7 years of being a Pro.

Interesting that most of that happened back in the 90s before cameras were prevalent and when the mob still had lots of control in Vegas. Everything you say here is why I try and keep such a low profile gambling online. I try and win enough money so I'm happy with it but it's not an amount that anybody would really notice especially since I spread it out over a bunch of casinos. They do not like people who win, that's a given fact. You're always making fun of me because I don't try and win larger amounts but why would I want to go through anything close to what you went through. 90% of my life is behind me now, I have no desire to make any waves.

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Good Advantage Players who are persistent, never say never, they attempt to figure out how to beat the system and oftentimes do.

I'm always hearing how this, that, or the other thing can't be done anymore or never could, and yet it's being done.
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