Seedvalue
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June 27th, 2022 at 10:22:17 AM permalink
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The numbers that tuttigym requests would not reveal the how or any secrets.

It's a fair question: how much seed money was needed?

Darkoz you revealed $60,000 without telling any secrets.
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It'would absolutely be too much information... its already too much information in my opinion. Even peaking someone's interest in researching or trying to gather enough information and come back and bite you in your ass. Sometimes those people become feirc competitors. Sometimes those people are idios who do dumb thing's that cause problems for everyone.

Once a place gets overrun with sharp's playing card's or whatever the promotioni might be, the casino's change stuff up and oftentimes it becomes practically worthless.

I don't know how many times new guys have entered the business thinking spreading information isn't really a big deal ( Thats how they got started) only to realize ar some point just how terrible of an idea it is to give out too much information in they most if them end up telling me they totally get it now.

For some people notoriety or whatever they are looking for is more important to them.
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For starters Iím not new. Iím over 20 years in and played poker before going into AP only full time.

But your right Axel about sharing info. I shared a specific amount for a reason. I know a certain person lurks here and I wanted him to know I was in town. We got some real scum bags messing stuff up.
AlanMendelson
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August 8th, 2022 at 6:33:23 PM permalink
I had $15 of free play today.

I had $5 from Boyd and played 4 hands of $1.25 8/5 Bonus poker and hit one paying pair. Cashed out $1.25

At Red Rock I had $10 of free play. Red Rock requires that you seed the machine for the first play. I cashed out $9 but I needed the machine with $1, so my net win was $8.

I had a comped meal for $30 from previous play.

Remember that last Saturday I continued playing at Red Rock and hit a $4k royal. But I didnt feel like playing tonight.

Free play covered my tip for dinner tonight. Going home.
ChumpChange
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August 8th, 2022 at 7:14:08 PM permalink
I'm really disappointed in the VP and VBJ slot machines being too cold to ever be ahead while I use free play. I'll have to see if Bubble Craps on free play is any better.
Or, if I want to last 400+ hands for a quads on a $40 free play, I should bet 1 coin at the quarter denom on the VP. I thought adding $10 to a $40 FP for a $50 buy-in on VBJ or 5 coin VP would be enough for a session, and usually it would be, but if the machine is cranked up like the air conditioning on COLD, it's just not gonna work.
When I only get 50 points instead of 1,000 or 2,000 session points from 1-2 hours of VBJ on a $50 buy-in at $3/point, that's enough to wonder how cold the machine really is. I could ride that $50 all the way to $500, but it's not the first week of the machine being in the casino before they tightened it with extra force.
I haven't been on table games yet this year, so I'm not getting $5 or $15 match plays for the craps table.
The 25 cent VP progressive JP is sometimes above $1,200, but it seems to get reset regularly so I could win between $1,000 and $1,199 on many days. There's no progressive for the 50 cent or $1 denoms, so that'd be 4000 credits.

I just got some more free play offers so I've got 3 trips lined up to get at least $40 this week. If the Bubble Craps machine takes free play, I'll be safest just betting $3 on the PL with $3, $4, $5 odds for 2-3 hours in case one of those free plays turns into a $500 free play. I can usually hit 100 session points in 3 hours at $6/point, but I don't know if odds bets are covered by free play. If I can squeeze out a few hundred from free play, I could set some of that aside for gas money at $4-$5 per gallon.

Just played the home game of 9/6 JoB and spent nearly 2 hours without hitting quads, and lost $50. The most I was up was $15 on a 5 coin quarter game. I crossed the $100 mark (my buy-in) a few times well after any free play would have been bet, so I could have cashed out at that point at the casino.
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AlanMendelson
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August 8th, 2022 at 9:15:40 PM permalink
Rarely have I had a profit on small amounts of free play, for example, $20 or $30.

It's when I had big free play offers that I had a chance for hitting something big.

Only once did I hit a $4k royal with my original $50 of free play. It happened at Red Rock about 4 years ago on the third or fourth $5 play.
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August 9th, 2022 at 7:09:49 AM permalink
I played Bubble Craps playing both sides (P & DP) inserting two players card, both of my own. It would only allow me to or recognize one card.

I guess you could team up with another player and just play both sides to accumulate points, as long you donít crap out on the initial roll.
AlanMendelson
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August 9th, 2022 at 7:33:09 AM permalink
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I played Bubble Craps playing both sides (P & DP) inserting two players card, both of my own. It would only allow me to or recognize one card.

I guess you could team up with another player and just play both sides to accumulate points, as long you donít crap out on the initial roll.
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How did a computer know that one person was playing two cards?
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August 9th, 2022 at 7:37:31 AM permalink
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I played Bubble Craps playing both sides (P & DP) inserting two players card, both of my own. It would only allow me to or recognize one card.

I guess you could team up with another player and just play both sides to accumulate points, as long you donít crap out on the initial roll.
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How did a computer know that one person was playing two cards?
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You don't think the two different cards from the same account would be recognized as from the same account in two separate machines?

That's like easy peasey programing
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AlanMendelson
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August 9th, 2022 at 7:40:26 AM permalink
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I played Bubble Craps playing both sides (P & DP) inserting two players card, both of my own. It would only allow me to or recognize one card.

I guess you could team up with another player and just play both sides to accumulate points, as long you donít crap out on the initial roll.
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How did a computer know that one person was playing two cards?
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You don't think the two different cards from the same account would be recognized as from the same account in two separate machines?

That's like easy peasey programing
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It doesnt happen that way at video poker. My girlfriend sits next to me playing on my card because she doesnt have one.
darkoz
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August 9th, 2022 at 8:15:28 AM permalink
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I played Bubble Craps playing both sides (P & DP) inserting two players card, both of my own. It would only allow me to or recognize one card.

I guess you could team up with another player and just play both sides to accumulate points, as long you donít crap out on the initial roll.
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How did a computer know that one person was playing two cards?
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You don't think the two different cards from the same account would be recognized as from the same account in two separate machines?

That's like easy peasey programing
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It doesnt happen that way at video poker. My girlfriend sits next to me playing on my card because she doesnt have one.
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It is recognized. That's why you do it. To get the extra points.

E-Craps you cannot make a doey/don't wager. The software disallows opposite betting at the same seat at the same table. It will refuse the wager.

Sitting at two separate seats at the same table using two copies of the same card is just circumventing that and it doesn't take much programming to keep the circumvention from working.
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August 9th, 2022 at 8:15:57 AM permalink
But Alan you're not up to no good. Someone who is breaking multiple casino rules has to arch his head sweatily at all times looking around for "The Man."
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