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AxelWolf
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August 25th, 2021 at 3:51:05 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

there's more to come, and it's not pretty. But it's honest.
to naysayers who can't help themselves (not UJ), you're just showing what kind of posters you are. Go and post in your boring naysayer columns if your only comments are take downs

You don't get to dictate what people post on the forums.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
darkoz
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August 25th, 2021 at 4:00:24 PM permalink
Wellbush,

I think you had me blocked before but don't now?

I too tried the Fibonacci sequence and different variations in my Ploppie days.

Fibonacci seems so perfect.

1) It's a natural recurring series in nature so it makes sense it might work in gambling.

2) It extends the time to ruin for your bankroll by not having to double up while still raising your bets.

3) You can suffer a number of losses and then quickly recoup them and with more than just a one unit profit.

That said, The Fibonacci has a fatal flaw (If you are interested I will explain the fatal flaw in using Fibonacci)

You may already know it but I haven't seen you mention it so I am throwing it out there.
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Dieter
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August 25th, 2021 at 4:16:02 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Mee too, and yet it's still here.



I believe the forum's Block Thread feature will allow you to perform this function, should you so choose.

Thank you; enjoy the day.
May the cards fall in your favor.
Wellbush
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August 25th, 2021 at 5:27:27 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

While I understand it's somewhat rare for system payers and degens to tell the truth about their wins and losses, people shouldn't be applauded if and when they are telling the truth.

And just because someone reports a loss, that doesn't mean their stories should be more believable.

One should always toss in some losses to make their stuff seem more belivable.

Most of the system players who tout their systems oftentimes start off with how they had been losing for years until they finally refined their system to the current one that works. Someome may even claim they have/had a mentor that showed them the light.

Ah, ha, ha, ha. Tell us AW, what is the pattern for someone telling the truth then?
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unJon
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August 25th, 2021 at 5:29:00 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

While I understand it's somewhat rare for system payers and degens to tell the truth about their wins and losses, people shouldn't be applauded if and when they are telling the truth.

And just because someone reports a loss, that doesn't mean their stories should be more believable.

One should always toss in some losses to make their stuff seem more belivable.

Most of the system players who tout their systems oftentimes start off with how they had been losing for years until they finally refined their system to the current one that works. Someome may even claim they have/had a mentor that showed them the light.



Disagree. He made a believable trip report. Those are some of the best posts on this forum.

If he does things later that we should shame him for, then we should shake him for those things. Not this thing.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
Wellbush
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August 25th, 2021 at 5:33:48 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Wellbush,

I think you had me blocked before but don't now?

I too tried the Fibonacci sequence and different variations in my Ploppie days.

Fibonacci seems so perfect.

1) It's a natural recurring series in nature so it makes sense it might work in gambling.

2) It extends the time to ruin for your bankroll by not having to double up while still raising your bets.

3) You can suffer a number of losses and then quickly recoup them and with more than just a one unit profit.

That said, The Fibonacci has a fatal flaw (If you are interested I will explain the fatal flaw in using Fibonacci)

You may already know it but I haven't seen you mention it so I am throwing it out there.

that's fine DOz, I'm happy to hear you out, here. I reserve the right to agree/disagree/remain on the fence.
Note: WOV considers all betting systems worthless. All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do.
Wellbush
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August 25th, 2021 at 5:44:59 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Disagree. He made a believable trip report. Those are some of the best posts on this forum.

If he does things later that we should shame him for, then we should shake him for those things. Not this thing.

I won't be exposing further trials without this thread 1. being hidden, 2. Can't have derisive comments. Derisive comments can be made about betting systems threads in any other areas of WOV.

It's totally unfair and only feeds trolls, for derision to be tolerated by believers in believers threads, but the same cannot be tolerated by naysayers in naysayers threads.

I will add that I think WOV needs to modernize and can only get bigger and better, if they start realising the benefits of what I'm suggesting. WOV can still hold the mathematical point of view in every other area of its site, and at the same time, have a protected believers area.

I can poke around on other sites. I don't need WOV!
Last edited by: Wellbush on Aug 25, 2021
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darkoz
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August 25th, 2021 at 6:33:39 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

that's fine DOz, I'm happy to hear you out, here. I reserve the right to agree/disagree/remain on the fence.



I'm only going to state facts.

The fatal flaw in the Fibonacci is there must be two back-to-back wins to have a winning sequence. Sometimes this will work out for you but other times you will find it leads to your destruction.

For example, it's possible after just two losing games you wind up winning nearly fifty percent of the next dozen spins and still lose.

I haven't seen you describe how your system proposes to overcome this.

Let's take six losses followed by a win.

1+1+2+3+5+8 = 20 units lost.

Next spin in the sequence is 13 units. You win! Great but you haven't profited yet. You are still 7 units down.

I call that the primary win.

What is your secondary win?

If you just wager the same, 13 units again and win, fantastic you have profited 6 units. But you could literally spend half an hour on a chop for that secondary win (lose, 13, win 13, lose 13, win 13) and then lose two in a row and you are literally back in the Fibonacci sequence only starting way in the middle.

You could go aggressive and make the secondary wager the next in the Fibonacci. So win 13, wager 21. If you get two back to back wins you have really good profit, 14 units. But lose and you find yourself sinking deeper and closer to table max.

Or you could go conservative and reduce your secondary to the prior level. Win 13, wager 8. With that your profit is one unit (21 units minus the 20 you lost). With a chop table you may do well but any other time you are spending a long time for minimum return.

At any rate, you will find the times you win twice in a row will greatly be outweighed by the times you don't.
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Dieter
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August 25th, 2021 at 6:36:52 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

I won't be exposing further trials without this thread 1. being hidden, 2. Can't have derisive comments.



1. No.
2. No.

If you don't want others to easily find what you write, keep it in your diary.
If you don't want others to respond to what you write, keep it in your diary.
We also have a blog section that most people don't bother to look at.

People politely and graciously telling me that I'm dumb has been extremely motivating on my journey of self-improvement; I would be remiss to deprive you of the benefits of criticism.
May the cards fall in your favor.
Wellbush
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August 25th, 2021 at 7:28:23 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

1. No.
2. No.

If you don't want others to easily find what you write, keep it in your diary.
If you don't want others to respond to what you write, keep it in your diary.
We also have a blog section that most people don't bother to look at.

People politely and graciously telling me that I'm dumb has been extremely motivating on my journey of self-improvement; I would be remiss to deprive you of the benefits of criticism.

there's the school of hard knocks and the school of nurtured progression. I prefer the latter ☺️
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