What Is a Winning System/Method

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July 5th, 2021 at 1:12:15 AM permalink

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I thought I would use my 25,000th post to start a new thread. What do you consider to be a winning system/method of play.

Oh Boy! I wonder how many members will get suspended from this thread, which I've moved to the betting systems thread, by the way.

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July 5th, 2021 at 1:26:53 AM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
What do you consider to be a winning system/method of play

Not applicable to table games per se:-

I could win pretty often if I could get some sucker to take bets on how long it would be before someone came to this forum suggesting that 'hit and run' is the way to beat the casino.
And of those unwise members how many would explain the role of their martingale variation in achieving their session win goal.

Heck I could even offer side bets on who would post next, but I got up late today.

Same excrement, different day!

EvenBob has done himself proud with this provocative thread.

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July 5th, 2021 at 2:14:34 AM permalink

.................

regarding the reference to a pro blackjack player
if he is playing full time

with all of the details a mathlete can figure this out with exactitude

but what follows is just a an example - a very rough estimate - of what it would actually be and assumes he plays perfectly without error:

after one week he will be ahead 75% of the time

after one month he will be ahead 85% of the time

after one year he will be ahead 95% of the time

I would estimate that there are a few hundred in the U.S. who play BJ full time and earn close to $100K per year or more or more than double that

many travel overseas to reduce their facial exposure

a great many who have tried to do this have failed - the most common reason being they were undercapitalized

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July 5th, 2021 at 2:50:28 AM permalink

I never got my July mailer after getting one June mailer. They must have cut off my comps, or lost my DNA because they wiped down wherever I went for COVID.

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July 5th, 2021 at 4:22:39 AM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
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after one week he will be ahead 75% of the time

after one month he will be ahead 85% of the time

after one year he will be ahead 95% of the time
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Pah!
Win rates like to that mean nothing. A well capitalised hit and run dollar martingaler betting red could smash those win rates, if he played each weekly session with a $1 dollar win goal 😀

Eg. With $1000 bankroll he would win $1 per session with probability of about 99% week in week out,,, but for him, the probability of being lifetime ahead diminishes with each session.

which of course is a really bad 'method'

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July 5th, 2021 at 5:19:00 AM permalink

There is a machine play that is growing in popularity. Those players would appear to have a winning system.

I'd consider it, but I don't like relying on magic incantations such as "Thanks for that five dollar superchat" and "Check out my patreon page for exclusive invitations and offers".

I'm sticking to the coin pusher at the laundromat for now.

May the cards fall in your favor.

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July 5th, 2021 at 6:34:41 AM permalink

Quote: OnceDear

A well capitalised hit and run dollar martingaler betting red

how about a 𝑮𝑹𝑨𝑵𝑫 𝑴𝑨𝑹𝑻𝑰𝑵𝑮𝑨𝑳𝑬

with a Grand Martingale the player makes more and more after each loss if he follows it with a win

example of a 6 stage Grand Martingale

bet $100 - if lose bet $250 - if you win you won $150 - if lose bet $550 - if you win you won $200 - if lose bet $1350 - if you win you won $300 - if lose bet $2500 - if you win you won $400 - if lose bet $5750 - when you win it you win $1,000.........

as every pro martingaler knows a player is very, very, unlikely to lose 6 times in a row so I didn't even put how much the loss would be if that happened

it pays to think positive

as you can see - the Grand Martingale is indeed 𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮, 𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮 𝙥𝙤𝙬𝙚𝙧𝙛𝙪𝙡 .....................

.............(~:\......... {: ......... {:

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July 5th, 2021 at 6:36:27 AM permalink

Hit and run doesn't work, nor does quitting while ahead. Both have appealing portions but overall will still lose. Thus I am experimenting with my new betting style, which I call Quit and Run. It combines the best of both systems while eliminating the pesky mathmatical portions of the equation.
I understand math can be difficult, and downright scary at times but the good news is with Quit and Run you can not only eliminate the math, but you don't even need common sense to play.
Free your mind, success will follow.

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July 5th, 2021 at 7:13:50 AM permalink

A winning system/method is somthing that can be backed up by MATH, logic, and theory.

I made sure to add logic and theory because there might be unique situations where you don't have the math(That's not to say your advantage can't be backed up by the math, you just might not have all the information needed), such as a glitch in a machine that isn't predictable. Or, something that's not random involving skill or live elements that change E.g. poker and horseracing.

You know you don't have a winning system/method when you use the "I'm keeping it a secret" as an excuse to make sure it doesn't get analyzed and then shredded apart by the math, thus making you look foolish.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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July 5th, 2021 at 7:18:23 AM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
how about a 𝑮𝑹𝑨𝑵𝑫 𝑴𝑨𝑹𝑻𝑰𝑵𝑮𝑨𝑳𝑬
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bet $100 - if lose bet $250 - if you win you won $150 - if lose bet $550 - if you win you won $200 - if lose bet $1350 - if you win you won $300 - if lose bet $2500 - if you win you won $400 - if lose bet $5750 - when you win it you win $1,000.........

as every pro martingaler knows a player is very, very, unlikely to lose 5 times in a row so I didn't even put how much the loss would be if that happened

Yes. Let's do some math, assuming it's an even money bet. And let's be generous and say you can't lose 6 in a row.

Wager #	Probability of needing to place wager	Wager size	Probability of winning it	Expected Value ($)	Note
#1	100%	$100	50%	$0	Well. it's wager #1, so of course you make it
#2	50%	$250	50%	$0	Only if you lost wager #1
#3	25%	$550	50%	$0	Only if you lost wager #2
#4	12.5%	$1350	50%	$0	Only if you lost wager #3
#5	6.25%	$2500	50%	$0	Only if you lost wager #4
#6	3.125%	$5750	100%	$5750	You couldn't lose this 6th wager :)
Average Wager		$144.53 *	100%	Average EV $5750/6=$958

*(100+250/2 +550/4+1350/8+2500/16+5750/32)/6

Of course, the savvy system player would just watch without wagering for 5 losses in a row, and then go all in on wager #6, knowing that he could not lose.

[Note] I'm joking folks. This is an exercise in bamboozling with totally bogus math.

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July 5th, 2021 at 7:34:51 AM permalink

what mathmatic symbol do you use to account for the bamboozling?

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July 5th, 2021 at 7:41:40 AM permalink

Quote: OnceDear
Of course, the savvy system player would just watch without wagering for 5 losses in a row, and then go all in on wager #6, knowing that he could not lose.

Sounds like my 100% Guaranteed Sure-Fire Can't Lose Betting System

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July 5th, 2021 at 7:59:16 AM permalink

......................

I sense a lot of sarcasm here
say what you want - but what are you going to say about this guy?
some of you guys said you wanted proof
well, - here's proof!!!!!

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just try and imagine how much a well financed team of martingalers could make
it's mind boggling

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July 5th, 2021 at 8:02:23 AM permalink

Quote: billryan
what mathmatic symbol do you use to account for the bamboozling?

I'm sorry, but I won't publish this secret ingredient. It wasn't my system that I was analysing, by the way.

On an unrelated note. I understand that some in this thread have some good recipes (we've seen the food pics) AND winning methods (We haven't seen those). They keep secrets too. But they can't resist telling us how well their methods work. Read into that what you will.

ps. I have a pet unicorn called Gerald.
He eats carrots and boiled eggs. I can post some photos of the half eaten carrots and empty eggshells, if you don't believe me.

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July 5th, 2021 at 8:15:07 AM permalink

Quote: OnceDear
I'm sorry, but I won't publish this secret ingredient. It wasn't my system that I was analysing, by the way.

On an unrelated note. I understand that some in this thread have some good recipes (we've seen the food pics) AND winning methods (We haven't seen those). They keep secrets too. But they can't resist telling us how well their methods work. Read into that what you will.

ps. I have a pet unicorn called Gerald.
He eats carrots and boiled eggs. I can post some photos of the half eaten carrots and empty eggshells, if you don't believe me.

A unicorn? That's strange. I had you pegged as a balrog type of guy.

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July 5th, 2021 at 8:18:17 AM permalink

Winning requires patience and hard work. Practice and research. Focus on advantages. Not thresholds. I dont agree with the weeks or months of losing method of waiting for the math to bring you back.

Take what the casinos give you. Finidng value is vital. Knowing what to do with it is key.

Discipline and a balanced life style. Easier said than done.

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July 5th, 2021 at 8:22:35 AM permalink

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A unicorn? That's strange. I had you pegged as a balrog type of guy.

Roger the balrog flew away.

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July 5th, 2021 at 8:33:19 AM permalink

Quote: moses
Winning requires patience and hard work. Practice and research. Focus on advatages. Not thresholds. I dont agree with the weeks or months of losing method of waiting for the math to bring you back.

Take what the casinos give you. Finding value is vital. Knowing what to do with it is key.

Take what the casino's misguided marketing department and shoddy software departments give :) That is the catch-all system that many here embrace.

I admire professional card counters exploiting their couple of percent edges in bulk and over longer time frames. Steady grind against the variance. The hard work there seems obvious.

But then there is the other way, which is to WHACK casinos with occasional special advantage plays where the player edge is MASSIVE, but possibly short lived. The need there is research and sometimes a bit of luck in being in the right place at the right time.

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July 5th, 2021 at 8:43:06 AM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
......................

I sense a lot of sarcasm here
say what you want - but what are you going to say about this guy?
some of you guys said you wanted proof
well, - here's proof!!!!!

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just try and imagine how much a well financed team of martingalers could make
it's mind boggling

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LOL. I sense sarcasm HERE.
That's Chris Mitchell isn't it?
Google him.
https://tinyurl.com/yu458n44

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July 5th, 2021 at 8:47:24 AM permalink

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nobody has yet mentioned 𝐈𝐍𝐓𝐔𝐈𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍

isn't it true that some great bacc players intuitively know if bank or player or a tie is coming next?

that's what I've heard

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July 5th, 2021 at 8:52:25 AM permalink

Quote: OnceDear
suggesting that 'hit and run' is the way to beat the casino.

Too bad this is not hit and run. It's make your goal and leave. Why would I want to spend one more minute at the table then I have to. I could stay and keep playing and leave with $1,300 instead of $300. You think they would remember me if I did that a few times? How is that in any way in my favor to draw attention to myself. We live in two different worlds, I play a precise game and you play a hit and miss hope-I'm-going-to-win game.

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July 5th, 2021 at 8:56:49 AM permalink

I haven't seen people buy-in for $1K on Bubble Craps and try to triple their money in an hour or two. I don't know if they just have to keep reinserting vouchers they won, or if the machine will even accept vouchers once you're over a $1200 credit limit.

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July 5th, 2021 at 9:02:00 AM permalink

Quote: OnceDear
Take what the casino's misguided marketing department and shoddy software departments give :) That is the catch-all system that many here embrace.

I admire professional card counters exploiting their couple of percent edges in bulk and over longer time frames. Steady grind against the variance. The hard work there seems obvious.

But then there is the other way, which is to WHACK casinos with occasional special advantage plays where the player edge is MASSIVE, but possibly short lived. The need there is research and sometimes a bit of luck in being in the right place at the right time.

For me, it's sports betting and blackjack. If I relied on luck Id be in deep trouble. People around me seem to be lucky. I am not.

So discipline and a balanced life puts me in the right place at the right time. And more importantly, making the right decisions.

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July 5th, 2021 at 9:02:31 AM permalink

I was thinking of calling my new method Hit and Quit, but everyone knows winners never quit and quitters never win so that threw a wrench into my planning.

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July 5th, 2021 at 9:11:03 AM permalink

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Too bad this is not hit and run. It's make your goal and leave. ......

Hit and run = bad?
make your goal and leave = what exactly?
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Quote:
We live in two different worlds,

We sure do. Your world has roulette methods but all my world has is a unicorn called Gerald.

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I play a precise game and you play a hit and miss hope-I'm-going-to-win game.

You play? I thought you mostly couldn't be bothered having beaten the game already?
But whatever: You never revealed your ingenious method, only revealed that you have that genius. So we gain nothing from you telling us it exists.

And when I play.... I either play for amusement, expecting to lose a few £££, or I play to grind through wagering requirements where I'm starting with a free bankroll, courtesy of the marketing team... Mostly blackjack in my case.

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July 5th, 2021 at 9:19:17 AM permalink

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And when I play.... I either play for amusement,

No kidding. I never ever ever play for amusement. I hate gambling, I hate casinos. I hate the people there, I hate the way it smells, I hate everything about it. My goal as soon as I enter the place is to leave as soon as possible. The less time spent there is time well spent. Like I said, we live in two different worlds.

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July 5th, 2021 at 9:24:10 AM permalink

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No kidding. I never ever ever play for amusement. I hate gambling, I hate casinos. I hate the people there, I hate the way it smells, I hate everything about it. My goal as soon as I enter the place is to leave as soon as possible. The less time spent there is time well spent. Like I said, we live in two different worlds.

A friend thought it would make the NFL games more "fun" to watch if he bet $100 or so. I think he lost 9 in a row or something like that. So I ask "are yoi having fun yet"?😲

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July 5th, 2021 at 9:36:18 AM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
No kidding. I never ever ever play for amusement. I hate gambling, I hate casinos. I hate the people there, I hate the way it smells, I hate everything about it. My goal as soon as I enter the place is to leave as soon as possible. The less time spent there is time well spent. Like I said, we live in two different worlds.

OK. I'm curious. Please humour me EvenBob..... I'll start.....

Last time I was in a casino was 2017. Before 2016, I would typically spend 1 hour on a Monday evening. We have no-smoking in casinos here and they are TINY. I.e. up to 6 table games plus a poker tourney running at one time.
That hour included eating a modest meal between playing Blackjack. It was wind down time.

There was one guy used to visit at pretty much the same time and place ONE £5 wager on roulette Green. He was memorable as the guy that won roughly one session in 37.

Last Time I was in Vegas was 2008 and I wagered $200 total at Hooters in one session on the last night. I lost it all.

When and how often do you visit your casino?

What win goal do you typically leave with.

Bonus question: Why not more and bigger? (Not longer, just bigger wagers)
Bonus Bonus question: Why bother at all? You don't need the money and you don't enjoy it?

Regards, OD

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July 5th, 2021 at 9:44:51 AM permalink

The amount of time spent in the casino IS a factor.

Spend a week in Vegas, win twenty grand go home, great!

Spend three months in Vegas, win only twenty grand, not such a good use of time. As long as I'm not yet a resident, the longer I stay as a visitor the more I need to be up in order to justify staying here this long.

I mean the comps and all that are great, but it's not like the free extended stay in resorts is superior to just being at home.

I tell you it�s wonderful to be here, man. I don�t give a damn who wins or loses. It�s just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/

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July 5th, 2021 at 9:45:49 AM permalink

If someone isn't playing for entertainment, and isn't playing with an advantage (either an immediate advantage or in order to produce a future advantage), then is there any scenario in which the person does not have a gambling problem?

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July 5th, 2021 at 9:55:35 AM permalink

Most disappointed I have ever been reading a 25,000th post :)

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July 5th, 2021 at 10:00:38 AM permalink

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Most disappointed I have ever been reading a 25,000th post :)

He certainly set the bar pretty low. Nothing like rising to the occasion.

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July 5th, 2021 at 10:04:01 AM permalink

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Most disappointed I have ever been reading a 25,000th post :)

Most likely, that means EB has succeeded in what he set out to do.

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July 5th, 2021 at 10:34:54 AM permalink

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If someone isn't playing for entertainment, and isn't playing with an advantage (either an immediate advantage or in order to produce a future advantage), then is there any scenario in which the person does not have a gambling problem?

I talked about this a little bit back in the 80's in my paper, "The Gambling Personality: An Interactional Approach."

In a hyper-consumer country like the United State (think Ferengi in Star Trek), the default is to think of everything in material resource terms. But non-material resources can count as much or possibly more (Klingons value things other than money-making attributes, for example). Think prestige, or a perception of masculinity, or derring do, or practice in handling pressure, or practice in handling information processing in a very tight time -- these can all add to either others' perception of the person gambling or provide practice and expertise in certain skills that may be translatable to other endeavors. So the gain in non-material resources has the potential to override the loss of material resources.

In another vein, gambling as a form of zoning out to rest from one's "normal" money-making duties may, if done in a limited fashion, be an efficient way to rest or recharge. Personally, I feel less strongly about this second theme, but it's a common argument.

To summarize, if you come across as James Bond while gambling in social environments with family, friends, and colleagues, there are potential benefits that may outweigh the losses.

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July 5th, 2021 at 10:53:26 AM permalink

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If someone isn't playing for entertainment, and isn't playing with an advantage (either an immediate advantage or in order to produce a future advantage), then is there any scenario in which the person does not have a gambling problem?

Yes: When he isn't playing at all. Spectator or Pundit.

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July 5th, 2021 at 11:34:10 AM permalink

What isnt a gamble? You are not what you think you are but very could be trapped in what others think you are.

Winners don't have a gambling problem. Losing could very well create anxiety problems. Lots of people I see with anxiety problems.

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July 5th, 2021 at 12:50:53 PM permalink

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When and how often do you visit your casino?

Actually I haven't been there since spring of 2020. They were closed from March until October and they still are not fully open. They only allow three people to play roulette at the same time, or they did last time I checked. No valet parking, you have to use the parking garage which is like half a mile from the roulette tables. I'm not going back until they bring back valet parking. Right now all I play is online live dealer roulette.

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July 5th, 2021 at 1:50:40 PM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
Right now all I play is online live dealer roulette.

Well, Thank you EB. That is an incredible revelation. I never had you down as an online player!!!

Please tell me more.

I'll lead...
I play mostly online roughly 50:50 RNG to Live dealer games of Blackjack. A tiny bit of roulette

Tell me, EB, Do you play Euro Roulette with its single zero? US roulette would seem reckless by comparison.

The one I play not only has single zero, it has La Partege. <1.5% HE on even money bets.

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July 5th, 2021 at 3:03:33 PM permalink

Quote: OnceDear

I play mostly online roughly 50:50 RNG to Live dealer games

Let me wise you up. When I play on a single 0 live roulette table my win rate is the same as playing in a regular casino. When I play an RNG game of roulette run by a computer I have no win rate because I never get ahead for very long. In other words it's rigged. You would never be able to tell the difference because like everybody else you don't have any of the games beaten. It is so rigged that it's laughably ridiculous.

It is hilarious to listen to these people making comments on the live tables that the results are rigged. Look at Bovada. The service they use that supplies the live tables also supplies their live feed to dozens and dozens of other online casinos. In real time the results are the same at every one of those casinos. There are thousands of bets placed on every spin. And they think out of all those thousands of bets at dozens and dozens of casinos a computer is singling out them and rigging their bet. LOL

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July 5th, 2021 at 3:12:28 PM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
What I consider a winning method is you set a reasonable session goal and achieve that goal relatively quickly. I'm talking 45 minutes quickly. That would be about 20 spins of roulette, maybe 30 to 45 hands of Baccarat. Winning in the extreme short-term. For me, the ultimate system/method would be to have a goal of say $300, bet the $300, win and walk away. If you lose bet a few more times until you're ahead $300.

This is interesting, it seems to be suggesting that several bets with a negative value can be added to together to produce a positive value. We know that is not possible, so there must be something else. Since you mention roulette and baccarat, something about the game must change for their to be $300 in value for the player a player. I am guessing it is not the payouts, red and black still pay out even money, inside numbers payout 35-for-1, etc. If my guess is correct, does that mean the probability of different numbers hitting on the roulette wheel change? For example, red or black might have a better then 50% chance, or a number might have a better than 2.7% chance. That would be very interesting if that is the case

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For myself, a winning system is based entirely around the relationship of the probability of winning and the payout. Instead of "win and walk away", I much prefer "repeat until rich".

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July 5th, 2021 at 4:23:18 PM permalink

Quote: lilredrooster
how about a 𝑮𝑹𝑨𝑵𝑫 𝑴𝑨𝑹𝑻𝑰𝑵𝑮𝑨𝑳𝑬

with a Grand Martingale the player makes more and more after each loss if he follows it with a win

example of a 6 stage Grand Martingale

bet $100 - if lose bet $250 - if you win you won $150 - if lose bet $550 - if you win you won $200 - if lose bet $1350 - if you win you won $300 - if lose bet $2500 - if you win you won $400 - if lose bet $5750 - when you win it you win $1,000.........

as every pro martingaler knows a player is very, very, unlikely to lose 6 times in a row so I didn't even put how much the loss would be if that happened

it pays to think positive

as you can see - the Grand Martingale is indeed 𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮, 𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮 𝙥𝙤𝙬𝙚𝙧𝙛𝙪𝙡 .....................

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Too powerful!!!
Quick, delete this post, the casino's must never know about it.

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July 5th, 2021 at 5:28:04 PM permalink

Quote: TomG
Instead of "win and walk away", I much prefer "repeat until rich".

Name a casino that will let you play there until you're rich. I use a roulette card keep track of the game and I can't count the number of times the pit has asked me to see my card or they stand behind me and look over my shoulder to see what I'm writing down. They believe roulette cannot be beat yet they would not hesitate to eject me if they thought I was somehow beating it. And that would be long long before I 'got rich'. That is in the US. I understand places in Europe have mostly roulette tables and I understand they are much more lenient there as far as players writing things down. In the States it earns you immediate distrust.

"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."

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July 5th, 2021 at 7:29:08 PM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
Name a casino that will let you play there until you're rich. I use a roulette card keep track of the game and I can't count the number of times the pit has asked me to see my card or they stand behind me and look over my shoulder to see what I'm writing down. They believe roulette cannot be beat yet they would not hesitate to eject me if they thought I was somehow beating it. And that would be long long before I 'got rich'. That is in the US. I understand places in Europe have mostly roulette tables and I understand they are much more lenient there as far as players writing things down. In the States it earns you immediate distrust.

I can't answer for other states, but the Nevada Gaming Regulations say that you can "make and refer to handwritten records of roulette results" - that's results, and not, for example, tracking where the ball is released and first contacts the wheel.

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July 5th, 2021 at 8:24:11 PM permalink

Quote: AxelWolf
You know you don't have a winning system/method when you use the "I'm keeping it a secret" as an excuse to make sure it doesn't get analyzed

I had to LOL at that one. Yeah, the first thing you should do if you get a winning method is share it with the world to make sure it works properly. That's the ticket..

"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."

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July 5th, 2021 at 8:27:34 PM permalink

Quote: billryan
Hit and run doesn't work, nor does quitting while ahead.

Actually they both work extremely well under the right circumstances. If you know what you're doing.

"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."

EvenBob