Negative Progression
September 21st, 2021 at 12:28:44 PM
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And within that same copied information:Quote: unJonThere are two sides to every casino bet: the player and the house. In most places that criminalize online gaming, it is just the house part that is illegal. The player, playing at an “illegal house” is not breaking the law.
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"So, with the Interactive Gambling Amendment Bill 2016, more ground was covered, and it was established that players could not even join Australian online gambling platforms."
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 21st, 2021 at 12:31:25 PM
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It's not my opinion that Australian law doesn't prohibit players from making bets online, it's objective fact. It's not my *opinion* that gravity exists. It does.Quote: Wellbushyou're entitled to an opinion mb...
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Yet again, the laws you referenced apply to OPERATORS, not PLAYERS. It is NOT against the law for PLAYERS to make bets online. Neither the 2001 or 2017 IGA's prohibit PLAYERS from making bets. This is not an OPINION, it's fact.Quote: Wellbushfrom https://www.legalgamblingandthelaw.com/au/legal-australian-online-casino-sites ...
Instead of your crappy, source, let's use the actual government of Australia: "The Interactive Gambling Act sets the rules for companies that offer or advertise gambling services." (emphasis added)
You finally made it to Google (congratulations), but you didn't evaluate the quality of your sources.
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September 21st, 2021 at 12:35:45 PM
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It is. It's been provided to you multiple times. Just because you variously won't look at it, don't understand it, or dismiss it out of hand doesn't mean it hasn't been provided.Quote: WellbushTuttigym is expressing what I have also experienced, a desire to see undeniable proof that progressive systems don't work. That kind of information is not easy to come by.
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This article, provided to you before, isn't definitive, but it does contain strong, compelling evidence about why betting systems can't work. If you demand something stronger than that, then you'll first need to show why either the two main piece of evidence in that article are wrong: that the average of any set of negative numbers can be positive, or that past results have no bearing on future results.
As to the former, you've been caught up on not understanding what negative-expectation means: you think that some results are negative and some are positive. That entirely misses the point. Here's a primer on how casino games are negative-expectation. Until you show that you're able to follow that junior high-level math, stop complaining. And once you *can* follow it, you should be well on your way to understanding why betting systems can't work.
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September 21st, 2021 at 12:36:53 PM
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No, that is NOT what he said. It's a ridiculous conclusion.Quote: tuttigymSo what you have posted is that because "the Wizard who is an expert in the mathematics of gambling," he is therefore infallible, unchallengeable, accurate in total specificity in all of his formulas, calculations, equations, and estimates.
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This kind of intentional misstating of what someone actually said should be against the rules, if it's not already.
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September 21st, 2021 at 12:37:25 PM
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i'm not belittling your opinion mb. i have a view, you have a view. simple as that.
you may have missed my most recent post where it states "PLAYERS" above.
you may have missed my most recent post where it states "PLAYERS" above.
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 21st, 2021 at 12:43:51 PM
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I wouldn't call it a ridiculous conclusion. the essence of the post is that tg is asking whether the math can be challenged? there is no need for mb to get so intense about semantics.Quote: MichaelBluejayNo, that is NOT what he said. It's a ridiculous conclusion.Quote: tuttigymSo what you have posted is that because "the Wizard who is an expert in the mathematics of gambling," he is therefore infallible, unchallengeable, accurate in total specificity in all of his formulas, calculations, equations, and estimates.
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This kind of intentional misstating of what someone actually said should be against the rules, if it's not already.link to original post
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 21st, 2021 at 12:45:07 PM
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I didn't miss it, I addressed it head-on. Like I said, your source is crappy, I cited the actual GOVERNMENT OF AUSTRALIA. Read it. Then again, you might think some worthless gambling affiliate website is more definitive than the actual government.Quote: Wellbushi'm not belittling your opinion mb. i have a view, you have a view. simple as that.
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you may have missed my most recent post where it states "PLAYERS" above.
There is no Australian law that prohibits players from betting online. Neither of the two laws you cited has any such prohibition, according to what's in the actual law. If you insist otherwise, quote the supposed section of the law that says that players may not bet online.
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September 21st, 2021 at 12:49:57 PM
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Mods, if this thread is getting too hot, may i suggest you deal with the poster making it so. i am happy to discuss things in a calm, polite and respectful manner. i don't think the whole thread should be penalised for one 'aggressive' poster. and, is this poster deliberately being so, to scuttle the thread? i'll leave it to you to decide.
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 21st, 2021 at 12:55:01 PM
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i could give a different perspective to the one you're suggesting above. unfortunately, your tone and logic smacks of an underlying motivation that is not conducive to the helpful advancement of knowledge. so i won't reply until the tone changesQuote: MichaelBluejayIt is. It's been provided to you multiple times. Just because you variously won't look at it, don't understand it, or dismiss it out of hand doesn't mean it hasn't been provided.Quote: WellbushTuttigym is expressing what I have also experienced, a desire to see undeniable proof that progressive systems don't work. That kind of information is not easy to come by.
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This article, provided to you before, isn't definitive, but it does contain strong, compelling evidence about why betting systems can't work. If you demand something stronger than that, then you'll first need to show why either the two main piece of evidence in that article are wrong: that the average of any set of negative numbers can be positive, or that past results have no bearing on future results.
As to the former, you've been caught up on not understanding what negative-expectation means: you think that some results are negative and some are positive. That entirely misses the point. Here's a primer on how casino games are negative-expectation. Until you show that you're able to follow that junior high-level math, stop complaining. And once you *can* follow it, you should be well on your way to understanding why betting systems can't work.link to original post
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 21st, 2021 at 1:13:28 PM
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Exactly. You ignore the evidence when it's presented, offering some excuse. And you wonder why people won't keep spoon-feeding you the answers you demand (as though they haven't already been provided).Quote: Wellbushi could give a different perspective to the one you're suggesting above. unfortunately, your tone and logic smacks of an underlying motivation that is not conducive to the helpful advancement of knowledge. so i won't reply until the tone changes
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September 21st, 2021 at 1:27:03 PM
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Quote: unJonQuote: WellbushI'm not sure why you're asking me that q axel. The part of the article you copied clearly mentions 3 laws that prohibit online gaming, not online betting. Gaming, meaning online casino games. That's not the same as betting on races or sports. Online lottery is also permitted in Australia. Again, online casino games is not permitted by any Australian in Australia, as per the 3 laws stated in the information I (and you) copied above.link to original postQuote: AxelWolfIs there a law that prohibits you from placing bets online. YES OR NO? If yes, please post it.
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There are two sides to every casino bet: the player and the house. In most places that criminalize online gaming, it is just the house part that is illegal. The player, playing at an “illegal house” is not breaking the law.link to original post
Poker players in NYC are subject to having their chips confiscated and sometimes will receive criminal summons for being in a disorderly premise. Same with crap players, and others. Being in a poker parlor when the cops raid it is the same as being in a whore house when it is raided. The cops will take your money and may issue you a ticket or they may let you walk. Either way, good luck getting your money back.
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September 21st, 2021 at 1:38:24 PM
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It is absolutely NOT the same. There's a law against soliciting prostitution, there is NO law against gambling.Quote: billryanBeing in a poker parlor when the cops raid it is the same as being in a whore house when it is raided.
(1) For violating what supposed law, exactly?Quote: billyranThe cops will take your money and may issue you a ticket...
(2) What's your evidence that players' money is confiscated?
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September 21st, 2021 at 1:40:50 PM
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Being in a disorderly premise.
My evidence is I've seen it in action, or you can search down an interview Alex Rodriquez gave about why he stopped playing, or you could search the internet just like I'd have to.
https://www.uspoker.com/blog/lebron-james-illegal-ny-poker-game/24514/
https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/23106-nypd-arrest-organizers-of-meetup-com-1-2-poker-game
Keep in mind that if a drug dog smells drugs on your money, it is seized.
Poker games are not cash games. You exchange your cash for chips. Cops raid and seize the chips as evidence. Place is shut down. If you are lucky, they let you walk. Who do you see about getting your money back? Lets not forget that these games are illegal and are prone to being robbed. Sometimes they are even robbed by the very people hosting them. There have been tales of more than one phony police raid with the patrons all hustled out by "cops doing them a favor".
My evidence is I've seen it in action, or you can search down an interview Alex Rodriquez gave about why he stopped playing, or you could search the internet just like I'd have to.
https://www.uspoker.com/blog/lebron-james-illegal-ny-poker-game/24514/
https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/23106-nypd-arrest-organizers-of-meetup-com-1-2-poker-game
Keep in mind that if a drug dog smells drugs on your money, it is seized.
Poker games are not cash games. You exchange your cash for chips. Cops raid and seize the chips as evidence. Place is shut down. If you are lucky, they let you walk. Who do you see about getting your money back? Lets not forget that these games are illegal and are prone to being robbed. Sometimes they are even robbed by the very people hosting them. There have been tales of more than one phony police raid with the patrons all hustled out by "cops doing them a favor".
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September 21st, 2021 at 2:14:57 PM
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If you've seen player money confiscated, I believe you. It makes sense that if cash is exchanged for chips, the cash isn't retrievable once seized.Quote: billryanBeing in a disorderly premise.
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My evidence is I've seen it in action, or you can search down an interview Alex Rodriquez gave about why he stopped playing, or you could search the internet just like I'd have to.
I *did* Google it but couldn't find much. Even in both your links, there's no mention of players being arrested, only operators. I wouldn't argue that it's impossible to be arrested for breaking a non-existent law (it happens all the time), but charges always get dropped in those cases. I also couldn't find any law about "being in a disorderly premise". Some forum suggested ABC 106.6 but that doesn't address players.
Getting back to the point, you chastised me for (correctly) reporting that there's no law against players gambling in New York:
Regardless of other ramifications, my assertion remains true: there's no law against players gambling. What, you think I should report that gambling in NY is illegal when it's not?Quote: billryanYour article says it is okay for players to gamble in NY, that the law only says the operators and the game itself is illegal. So when the cops bust the game and confiscate the players' money, they should feel good knowing they didn't do anything wrong.
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September 21st, 2021 at 2:31:25 PM
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I have no opinion on what you should or shouldn't report.
I'm trying to think if I've seen cops actually take cash from players. Most games are strictly chips. I know they take the chips and the players lose whatever they had.
I'm not sure what the law is exactly, but NYC has a way of shutting down premises found to be a nuisance. They use it on whore houses, crack dens, gambling houses, after hours clubs and the like. After X amount of police activity, a judge can declare it a nuisance and anyone in it can get a summons. When enough police activity occurs, the city can take away the CofO , which means the landlord can't even rent it to someone new for a period of time.
The people running the game are running an illegal enterprise. Since their apartment is being used to run an illegal enterprise, it is a nuisance. As you are patronizing a criminal enterprise in a unlicensed facility, you can explain to the judge how you weren't doing anything wrong.
I'm trying to think if I've seen cops actually take cash from players. Most games are strictly chips. I know they take the chips and the players lose whatever they had.
I'm not sure what the law is exactly, but NYC has a way of shutting down premises found to be a nuisance. They use it on whore houses, crack dens, gambling houses, after hours clubs and the like. After X amount of police activity, a judge can declare it a nuisance and anyone in it can get a summons. When enough police activity occurs, the city can take away the CofO , which means the landlord can't even rent it to someone new for a period of time.
The people running the game are running an illegal enterprise. Since their apartment is being used to run an illegal enterprise, it is a nuisance. As you are patronizing a criminal enterprise in a unlicensed facility, you can explain to the judge how you weren't doing anything wrong.
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September 21st, 2021 at 2:34:53 PM
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I'm unfamiliar with that and I don't doubt it. But I do doubt that someone can be successfully prosecuted just for being present as a player in a gambling den, since gambling in NY isn't against the law.Quote: billryanI'm not sure what the law is exactly, but NYC has a way of shutting down premises found to be a nuisance....
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September 21st, 2021 at 2:47:01 PM
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If you are interested, here is a fairly even accounting of the law. It is prone to abuse. I've been on two sides of it, from a tenant and from the landlord side, and could only imagine having to love next to some of these.
https://www.nyclu.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/nyclu_nuisancereport_20180809.pdf
https://www.nyclu.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/nyclu_nuisancereport_20180809.pdf
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September 21st, 2021 at 3:04:05 PM
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DON'T JOIN Australian online gambling platforms!!!Quote: WellbushAnd within that same copied information:Quote: unJonThere are two sides to every casino bet: the player and the house. In most places that criminalize online gaming, it is just the house part that is illegal. The player, playing at an “illegal house” is not breaking the law.
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"So, with the Interactive Gambling Amendment Bill 2016, more ground was covered, and it was established that players could not even join Australian online gambling platforms."link to original post
Join one NOT in Australia....... DUHHHHHHHH!
Again I ask, how can someone who claims they have "achieved a system that does beat everything online" not be able to figure out how to actually gamble online?
Even if you were not legally able to gamble there, have you heard of an Air Plane? A powered flying vehicle that's able to transport things( including people) to another location fairly rapidly.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 21st, 2021 at 3:16:35 PM
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If I achieved a system that beats everything online, they could strip me naked, take everything I have and drop me off miles from civilization and I would still find a wag to get back and make millions .Quote: billryanQuote: unJonQuote: WellbushI'm not sure why you're asking me that q axel. The part of the article you copied clearly mentions 3 laws that prohibit online gaming, not online betting. Gaming, meaning online casino games. That's not the same as betting on races or sports. Online lottery is also permitted in Australia. Again, online casino games is not permitted by any Australian in Australia, as per the 3 laws stated in the information I (and you) copied above.link to original postQuote: AxelWolfIs there a law that prohibits you from placing bets online. YES OR NO? If yes, please post it.
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There are two sides to every casino bet: the player and the house. In most places that criminalize online gaming, it is just the house part that is illegal. The player, playing at an “illegal house” is not breaking the law.link to original post
Poker players in NYC are subject to having their chips confiscated and sometimes will receive criminal summons for being in a disorderly premise. Same with crap players, and others. Being in a poker parlor when the cops raid it is the same as being in a whore house when it is raided. The cops will take your money and may issue you a ticket or they may let you walk. Either way, good luck getting your money back.link to original post
edit to add: I said find a wag instead of way, however ill let it stand since that's what it may take.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 21st, 2021 at 3:36:11 PM
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Here, you seem to be ridiculing and only asking qs without reading the info. the info YOU copied included: "The Interactive Gambling Act 2017 only sealed the fate of online gambling in Australia further by strictly forbidding online casinos, table games, and slot machines. More measures were introduced, including banning online wagering services that do not hold a license issued by an Australian state or territory."Quote: AxelWolfJoin one NOT in Australia....... DUHHHHHHHH!
i've already stated that i do gamble online with free software🤷♀️Quote: AxelWolfAgain I ask, how can someone who claims they have "achieved a system that does beat everything online" not be able to figure out how to actually gamble online?
no, i haven't!Quote: AxelWolfEven if you were not legally able to gamble there, have you heard of an Air Plane? A powered flying vehicle that's able to transport things( including people) to another location fairly rapidly.
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All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 21st, 2021 at 3:39:50 PM
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no, i haven't!link to original postQuote: AxelWolfEven if you were not legally able to gamble there, have you heard of an Air Plane? A powered flying vehicle that's able to transport things( including people) to another location fairly rapidly.
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I believe him, they ain't so bright down there. Probably think they are big noisy birds.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
September 21st, 2021 at 6:21:06 PM
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I know of two police raids on poker houses in my home city during the past month. These residential houses took a rake and employed dealers (which makes them clearly illegal.). Both chips and all cash on all players were confiscated. Players were arrested by the police in addition to the people running the games.
And, no I was not involved! But I know people who were.
And, Billryan's point should be re-emphasized. A person may be able to establish an account and gamble online, despite state law. But when you try to withdraw your money, the casino will suddenly pretend to notice that you are in a state where online gambling is prohibited. And they will close your account and "put a freeze on your assets." And, why not - the temptation to confiscate your money is deliciously irresistable.
And VPN is not enough to obscure where you live, you are usually required to use a credit card to deposit money and the credit card has a residential address of record. There may be ways around this, but it is not trivial to avoid having your funds confiscated by an online site if your locality prohibits online gambling.
And, no I was not involved! But I know people who were.
And, Billryan's point should be re-emphasized. A person may be able to establish an account and gamble online, despite state law. But when you try to withdraw your money, the casino will suddenly pretend to notice that you are in a state where online gambling is prohibited. And they will close your account and "put a freeze on your assets." And, why not - the temptation to confiscate your money is deliciously irresistable.
And VPN is not enough to obscure where you live, you are usually required to use a credit card to deposit money and the credit card has a residential address of record. There may be ways around this, but it is not trivial to avoid having your funds confiscated by an online site if your locality prohibits online gambling.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
September 21st, 2021 at 7:29:59 PM
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NO YOU DON'T !!!Quote: Wellbush
i've already stated that i do gamble online with free software🤷♀️
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Gamble: play games of chance for money or things of value.
You basically play video games online that may or may not use the same "randomness" they use when actually placing real wagers.
Congratulations, You have figured out absolutely nothing, nada, zilch.... when it comes to a system that could actually be used to profit from gambling.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 21st, 2021 at 7:50:31 PM
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When is the last time you gambled online?Quote: gordonm888link to original post
And VPN is not enough to obscure where you live, you are usually required to use a credit card to deposit money and the credit card has a residential address of record. There may be ways around this, but it is not trivial to avoid having your funds confiscated by an online site if your locality prohibits online gambling.
I would say a majority of online casinos accept bitcoin and other crypto. Among those, there are places with good reputations that don't care if you use a VPN or care if you are from Mars, they don't even require you to give a name, phone number or address. And again, if you found the holy grail of online gambling who cares if some of those places confiscated your money?
Back in the heyday of online bonus hunting individual AP's had 100's of thousands confiscated/no paid and yet they still profited 100's of thousands.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 22nd, 2021 at 3:39:20 AM
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Quote: Wellbush
no, i haven't!link to original postQuote: AxelWolfEven if you were not legally able to gamble there, have you heard of an Air Plane? A powered flying vehicle that's able to transport things( including people) to another location fairly rapidly.
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(sigh)
Wellbush, airplanes are real.
Sometimes the first one doesn't get you where you want, but you can take two, or four, or eight... and usually get where you're going.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 22nd, 2021 at 9:30:17 AM
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Another day.....another same post started. "yawn" How many will get banned this time.
Everyone should read what DeMango said on page 22. He gets it
Everyone should read what DeMango said on page 22. He gets it
50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is a 90% probability you'll get it wrong
September 22nd, 2021 at 9:55:44 AM
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Quote: FastEddieDid you win or lose ? impossible to give you an intelligent answer without that information !
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Let's say I lost $15.
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September 22nd, 2021 at 10:25:37 AM
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Quote: lilredrooster.there are some proofs that martingale won't work that I found while searching but I have not linked them because they're very scholarly - probably done by PhDs or PhD candidates, and frankly, I can't understand them
however the image below shows what a guy found using a computer script - he doesn't say clearly but I believe each player's inital bet is $1.00 and a "time step" is a bet
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to me, this is pretty convincing
First, let me thank you for the very nice compliment. I want to reinforce my position that any "system" where the user wagers identical betting schemes over and over again will NOT (emphasis) result in profitable results. A "system" by its very nature repeats betting patterns which can both win and lose within the same session, but will eventually collapse under the weight of multiple factors depending on the game of choice being played. To be sure, winning does happen if the "gambling gods" align properly with streaks of positive outcomes or the "hot" shooter" appears or the longshot numbers hits, but in general, losing happens much more frequently, and hope does spring eternal.
The graph and information posted while somewhat convincing is not truly authoritative because: It is a computer simulation which cannot truly imitate casino action, and ignores the potential of a player changing up his betting scheme during play. At this point, I also want to say that I am not a Martingale fan simply because those pesky uninvited streaks would wipe out a very finite bankroll in a hurry especially where table minimums would require a buy in that most players could not afford to start with.
Quote: lilredroosterI also have provided a link to the posts of "thatdonguy" - if you look thru them you will find he has done many computer simulations of many different systems and has also provided a great deal of mathematical insights into gambling - he is an extraordinarily bright guy who has provided a great deal of useful info
Thanks for the link, however, not to be rude, computer simulations, as I previously stated, are not real or authoritative in nature. They are a lazy way of creating results without putting in the real work of a longitudinal, in depth, personal study that includes trials using real gambling in real casinos with real money at risk.
The true results would be players going broke at a rate that far exceeds any of the "math" produced by those computer simulations.
I would like you to answer these simple questions and then there will be a "second round." This is not any form of entrapment, but I want to make a point that will go against the "conventional wisdom" and "establishment" approach to craps.
4th grade arithmetic:
1. On average: does the 7 appear once every six rolls of the dice?
2. If the answer is "yes," is it likely that after 300 rolls of the dice the 7 will appear approximately 50 times?
3. If this trial were to be extended using 4 shooters or players doing the exact same thing, i.e., 300 rolls of the dice, would their results be more likely or less likely to have similar results?
By the way, anyone reading this can jump in.
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September 22nd, 2021 at 11:49:09 AM
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What's your evidence for this absurd claim?Quote: tuttigymIt is a computer simulation which cannot truly imitate casino action
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September 22nd, 2021 at 11:57:18 AM
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Quote: MichaelBluejayWhat's your evidence for this absurd claim?
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Live cards and roulette wheels have a sentience that makes their behavior impossible to simulate or mathematically model. Whether this sentience was imbued through mystical means or is extraterrestrial in origin is irrelevant.
September 22nd, 2021 at 11:57:56 AM
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I imagine it has to do with the human factor. Since humans are known to do stupid things and computers aren't, some people are convinced that any computer simulation of human events is off.
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September 22nd, 2021 at 2:15:51 PM
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Quote: sabreQuote: MichaelBluejayWhat's your evidence for this absurd claim?
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Live cards and roulette wheels have a sentience that makes their behavior impossible to simulate or mathematically model. Whether this sentience was imbued through mystical means or is extraterrestrial in origin is irrelevant.link to original post
One would think that after fifty years of trying, the scientists could come up with a formula to approximate when red has been hot, black is due.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 22nd, 2021 at 2:20:37 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: sabreQuote: MichaelBluejayWhat's your evidence for this absurd claim?
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Live cards and roulette wheels have a sentience that makes their behavior impossible to simulate or mathematically model. Whether this sentience was imbued through mystical means or is extraterrestrial in origin is irrelevant.link to original post
One would think that after fifty years of trying, the scientists could come up with a formula to approximate when red has been hot, black is due.link to original post
Perhaps they have and simply aren't sharing the information yet. Think of the National Security implications.
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September 22nd, 2021 at 2:20:58 PM
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Quote: MichaelBluejayWhat's your evidence for this absurd claim?
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Mr. Bluejay: Some posts are slow, and some posts are fast.... some of your posts are HALF-FAST.
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September 22nd, 2021 at 3:32:36 PM
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Only EvenBob can do that, no fancy computer or formula needed.Quote: DieterQuote: sabreQuote: MichaelBluejayWhat's your evidence for this absurd claim?
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Live cards and roulette wheels have a sentience that makes their behavior impossible to simulate or mathematically model. Whether this sentience was imbued through mystical means or is extraterrestrial in origin is irrelevant.link to original post
One would think that after fifty years of trying, the scientists could come up with a formula to approximate when red has been hot, black is due.link to original post
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 22nd, 2021 at 6:29:44 PM
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mods, are you going to let this highly insulting and racist comment stand?Quote: DRichI believe him, they ain't so bright down there. Probably think they are big noisy birds.
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All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 22nd, 2021 at 6:38:45 PM
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Australians are now a race? LOLQuote: Wellbushmods, are you going to let this highly insulting and racist comment stand?
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September 22nd, 2021 at 7:11:52 PM
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Quote: Wellbushmods, are you going to let this highly insulting and racist comment stand?link to original postQuote: DRichI believe him, they ain't so bright down there. Probably think they are big noisy birds.
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Highly insulting? I’d say tongue in cheek insulting. Racist? Which race was DRich belittling?
Suspension worthy? Perhaps…. But hopefully not….
September 22nd, 2021 at 8:49:01 PM
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Quote: Wellbushmods, are you going to let this highly insulting and racist comment stand?link to original postQuote: DRichI believe him, they ain't so bright down there. Probably think they are big noisy birds.
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It is insulting. I don't see it as racist.
Three days.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 22nd, 2021 at 9:03:57 PM
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i seriously q WOV's credibility if they dismiss such comments as this.Quote: MichaelBluejayAustralians are now a race? LOL
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All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 22nd, 2021 at 10:02:00 PM
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\\Quote: Wellbushi seriously q WOV's credibility if they dismiss such comments as this.link to original postQuote: MichaelBluejayAustralians are now a race? LOL
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He got a three day suspension. What more do you want?
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 22nd, 2021 at 10:07:59 PM
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the comment referred to, was made by michaelbluejay, not drichQuote: billryanHe got a three day suspension. What more do you want?
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All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 22nd, 2021 at 10:14:34 PM
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I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
September 22nd, 2021 at 10:24:35 PM
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ok. i get it.
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 22nd, 2021 at 10:38:07 PM
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a slight against a nation is racism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.[1][2][3][4] It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity.
Therefore, racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to a United Nations convention on racial discrimination, there is no distinction between the terms "racial" and "ethnic" discrimination.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ethnic&t=newext&atb=v252-1&ia=definition
ethnic
ĕth′nĭk
adjective
Of, relating to, or characteristic of a group of people sharing a common cultural or national heritage and often sharing a common language or religion.Being a member of a particular ethnic group, especially belonging to a national group by heritage or culture but residing outside its national boundaries.Of, relating to, or distinctive of members of such a group.
does WOV think that MB does not have sufficient ability to take care with the vocabulary he posts?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.[1][2][3][4] It may also mean prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different race or ethnicity.
Therefore, racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to a United Nations convention on racial discrimination, there is no distinction between the terms "racial" and "ethnic" discrimination.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ethnic&t=newext&atb=v252-1&ia=definition
ethnic
ĕth′nĭk
adjective
Of, relating to, or characteristic of a group of people sharing a common cultural or national heritage and often sharing a common language or religion.Being a member of a particular ethnic group, especially belonging to a national group by heritage or culture but residing outside its national boundaries.Of, relating to, or distinctive of members of such a group.
does WOV think that MB does not have sufficient ability to take care with the vocabulary he posts?
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 22nd, 2021 at 10:44:33 PM
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First of all, Wikipedia is a poor source, since literally anyone can edit it. Even me. Even you.Quote: WellbushWikipedia...
Second, it doesn't support your assertion anyway. For a comment about Australians to be racist, Australians would have to be a race. Do you truly think that Australians are a race?
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September 23rd, 2021 at 12:36:32 AM
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All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 23rd, 2021 at 1:56:55 AM
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Quote: tuttigym.
computer simulations, as I previously stated, are not real or authoritative in nature. They are a lazy way of creating results
on July 14, 2015 Nasa's "New Horizons" rocket flew to within 7800 miles of Pluto
Pluto is more than 3 billion miles away from Earth
if computer simulations are not real or authoritative, and they undoubtedly did multiple sims to engineer this trip - then wouldn't that mission have failed?
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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
September 23rd, 2021 at 2:07:33 AM
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i found this site giving an interesting view point into bj comp simulations and results:Quote: lilredroosteron July 14, 2015 Nasa's "New Horizons" rocket flew to within 7800 miles of Pluto
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Pluto is more than 3 billion miles away from Earth
if computer simulations are not real or authoritative, and they undoubtedly did multiple sims to engineer this trip - then wouldn't that mission have failed?
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https://saliu.com/blackjack.html
All persons reading my posts gamble at their own risk, as I do. I don't ordinarily dispute math. I may dispute math I don't understand, or if I think it's faulty. I am not a conspiracy theorist.
September 23rd, 2021 at 2:13:52 AM
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Wellbush, you are wasting time debating all this. Instead, you could be on your way to making millions online with just a little investigation and a plane ticket. A plane ticket isn't needed but it certainly gets around your assumptions regarding the legality.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
