Negative Progression
as I see it, i can always learn something, as i have in the past at WOV, even though i haven't previously obtained everything i'm looking for at WOV.Quote: lilredroosteryou may post whatever queries you choose to - it's not my place to tell you what you should or should not post
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but I'm 100% sure that nobody here can help you prove that a negative progression against a HA can show a long term positive return
if you can do that - you're much more brilliant than anybody here
if you can do that, you're a brilliant person whose accomplishment should be celebrated worldwide
there are some excellent mathematicians here - but as knowledgeable as they are - they can't help you find what you're looking for
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i would have thought though, that at least some here could provide some further detailed info on the topic.
Quote: Wellbushif you're going to repeat the standard naysayer line 146, i have heard it umpteen dozens of times. however if you genuinely wish to discuss the detailed math in q, i'm all ears.link to original postQuote: Mission146People tend to strictly follow systems, until they get scared and don't. I'd call it a, "User Error," except believing that a system is going to work in the long run already is a user error.
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You do your repeating and I'll do mine.
Quote: EvenBobEither way, the math is useless. If you can figure out what the next outcome is, what the math says is meaningless. If I had known the math says you can't beat the game I never would have tried. But I didn't know that till much later. By then it was too late; too late to obey the math.
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Mr. EB: Their "math" is dependent upon: 1) the "long term" (never exactly defined) which basically becomes infinity until their "math" results mirror the supposed "expectation(s)". 2) Their negative "expected results" are dependent upon using the exact same wagering action each and every play. 3) Their "math" requires negative "expectation" simply because the house bank roll in conjunction with their rules in collaboration with human greed, gullibility, stupidity, and poor judgement will eventually defeat most efforts to win.
Some of the many folks involved with this discussion, or for that matter most gambling threads, do not/will not participate real gambling activities, i.e. casino games of chance, because they cannot afford to lose (which is a good thing), there is a real aversion or fear associated with risk, their emotional state cannot handle the unknown, and they are fully defeated at the thought of playing.
Ultimately their position is: My "math" is science, even though it has never been proven, and you are just wrong so just be quiet and go away.
tuttigym
Quote: Wellbushas I see it, i can always learn something, as i have in the past at WOV, even though i haven't previously obtained everything i'm looking for at WOV.
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i would have thought though, that at least some here could provide some further detailed info on the topic.
There is a system out there that works.
Martingale & Co. isn't it.
I hesitate to mention it by name for fear of reprisal from casinos, but I believe William Poundstone wrote a book on it.
I do know this: I may not be able to do all the fancy math, but people like Ed Thorp and Claude Shannon definitely are. I feel I can trust them. As far as I know, martingale is not the path they pursued. They took a much more complicated route, which they likely would not have done if martingale looked at all promising.
Quote: tuttigymand you are just wrong so just be quiet and go away.
nobody is telling you to be quiet and go away
but this board is led by the Wizard who is an expert in the mathematics of gambling and prides himself on providing extremely accurate information
so, you're not going to come onto this board and state that you can beat the house in the long run with your progression without having your point of view rebutted
if it hurts you to have your point of view rebutted, well, the French have a saying__________
"that is of great sadness"
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interesting points here tg. some, i concur with.Quote: tuttigymQuote: EvenBobEither way, the math is useless. If you can figure out what the next outcome is, what the math says is meaningless. If I had known the math says you can't beat the game I never would have tried. But I didn't know that till much later. By then it was too late; too late to obey the math.
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Mr. EB: Their "math" is dependent upon: 1) the "long term" (never exactly defined) which basically becomes infinity until their "math" results mirror the supposed "expectation(s)". 2) Their negative "expected results" are dependent upon using the exact same wagering action each and every play. 3) Their "math" requires negative "expectation" simply because the house bank roll in conjunction with their rules in collaboration with human greed, gullibility, stupidity, and poor judgement will eventually defeat most efforts to win.
Some of the many folks involved with this discussion, or for that matter most gambling threads, do not/will not participate real gambling activities, i.e. casino games of chance, because they cannot afford to lose (which is a good thing), there is a real aversion or fear associated with risk, their emotional state cannot handle the unknown, and they are fully defeated at the thought of playing.
Ultimately their position is: My "math" is science, even though it has never been proven, and you are just wrong so just be quiet and go away.
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Mr. EB: Their "math" is dependent upon: 1) the "long term" (never exactly defined) which basically becomes infinity until their "math" results mirror the supposed "expectation(s)". 2) Their negative "expected results" are dependent upon using the exact same wagering action each and every play. 3) Their "math" requires negative "expectation" simply because the house bank roll in conjunction with their rules in collaboration with human greed, gullibility, stupidity, and poor judgement will eventually defeat most efforts to win.
Some of the many folks involved with this discussion, or for that matter most gambling threads, do not/will not participate real gambling activities, i.e. casino games of chance, because they cannot afford to lose (which is a good thing), there is a real aversion or fear associated with risk, their emotional state cannot handle the unknown, and they are fully defeated at the thought of playing.
Ultimately their position is: My "math" is science, even though it has never been proven, and you are just wrong so just be quiet and go away.
tuttigym
I'm only going to offer a few quick and minor corrections because responding to your posts is generally not worth my time.
1.) They don't need to mirror anything. The, "Long-Term," does not refer to any specific hand as a result of Variance. Again, not KNOWING exactly what is going to happen on every single outcome, or even a particular set of outcomes, is what makes gambling, gambling. My advice to you is to start at square one and look up the definition for gambling. The definition involves uncertainty, so the long-term cannot be defined with any absolute certainty.
It all comes back to probability and math, which is the entire nature of either being at an advantage or disadvantage in gambling. You seem to accept that gambling exists, so you should know all of this.
2.) No, they aren't. If you bet more, then you are expected to lose more on that particular bet. If you bet less, then you are expected to lose less.
3.) The math is just the math. It doesn't, "Require," anything.
What hasn't been proven? New casinos are built year after year on the wallets of players. Isn't that enough proof for you?
Since you're so sure that the math can be beaten, I'm surprised to see you spend so much time posting.
I also don't know why it's so important that the Recent Threads list be clogged up with this nonsense all the time. My personal opinion is that we should just hide the, "Betting Systems," sub-forum Recent Threads as a first step, and as a second, restrict certain posters to it...though I'm not going to mention any names.
By the way, who are you suggesting doesn't gamble at all?
this is a very poor point. the fact that casinos make money may not in any way prove anything much about the math of gambling. there would be umpteen dozens of reasons why casinos make money: poor player skill, food, alcohol, entertainment, accommodation, etc. What exactly does saying "the casinos make money" teach us about the math of gambling? i say zilch!Quote: Mission146What hasn't been proven? New casinos are built year after year on the wallets of players. Isn't that enough proof for you?
if you haven't been reading 146, these posts are to understand the math of gambling. are you saying this shouldn't be discussed? p.s. you don't have to read or respond to these posts.Quote: Mission146I also don't know why it's so important that the Recent Threads list be clogged up with this nonsense all the time. My personal opinion is that we should just hide the, "Betting Systems," sub-forum Recent Threads as a first step, and as a second, restrict certain posters to it...though I'm not going to mention any names.
Quote: Wellbushthese posts are to understand the math of gambling
I've never seen a post from you showing an understanding of math beyond 1+1=2. It's like saying you're trying to understand philosophy despite not understanding any book more complex than Dr Seuss.
If I'm wrong please cite a post you've made on this forum demonstrating that you understand math more complex than basic arithmetic.
Quote: WellbushI have a certain poster blocked. "Burp" scuze me.
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If I'm wrong please cite a post you've made on this forum demonstrating that you understand math more complex than basic arithmetic.
Quote: billryanI don't see it as being told to be quiet and go away. I see it more as a friendly- you are babbling and making a ----- of yourself. You might want to think about sitting quiet for a spell.
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Warning: This is an (mild) insult. You know better than this. A repetition in the near future will buy you a seat on the bench.
Bill, why not surprise us and actually post remarks that are supportive, gracious and charitable? There's no requirement to do that, of course, but the option is completely open to you.
Quote: Wellbushthis is a very poor point. the fact that casinos make money may not in any way prove anything much about the math of gambling. there would be umpteen dozens of reasons why casinos make money: poor player skill, food, alcohol, entertainment, accommodation, etc. What exactly does saying "the casinos make money" teach us about the math of gambling? i say zilch!
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if you haven't been reading 146, these posts are to understand the math of gambling. are you saying this shouldn't be discussed? p.s. you don't have to read or respond to these posts.
Okay, so what do you suppose strong player skill might look like? I have seen no understanding of the math of gambling come from any of your posts, but I will hope, probably in vain, for that to happen one day.
Thanks for your honesty LRR. For me, part of proving a winning progressive system would mean I could do it at a b & m casino, not just online on free software. I haven't achieved that yet, but I haven't given up just yet. I have achieved a system that does beat everything online.Quote: lilredroosterthere's thousands of Mathematics PhDs in the U.S.
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every single mathematician on the planet will tell you the same thing
if you really believe you have discovered something that all of these highly educated people have missed well then________
you're wasting your time here
prove what you're saying and you will become world famous - you will be paid tens of thousands on the lecture circuit
you will be offered a gigantic sum of money for a book deal
it would be one of the biggest news stories of the decade
you will even become more famous than Kim Kardashian
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Winning online though, is different from winning at the casino, no matter how much people say otherwise. I know first hand, and my hands are a little burnt from that experience. That's a good thing. I'd rather be a little burnt than addicted and in the gutter.
People say there are a minority of winning gamblers making good money every year, but I don't know if this is solely AP players or whether it also includes players with a betting system?
I don't know about being world famous if I come up with a winning system. I reckon a player would make far more money playing, than going around showing mathematicians were wrong for centuries. From my brief experience, coming up with a winning progressive system would make mathematicians so irate, that it would be difficult to speak about it anywhere! That's a problem mathematicians have, but a problem any author of a winning system would have also. Even if a winning system could be proven, I think the mathematicians would come up with all sorts of fancy ways to erroneously debunk it!
I'm Australian and live in Australia. Gambling online is illegal here 🤷Quote: billryanWhy would you want to play in a real casino when you can beat the online ones? Why waste time and effort going to a casino when you can play in bed?
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Quote: WellbushI'm Australian and live in Australia. Gambling online is illegal here 🤷link to original postQuote: billryanWhy would you want to play in a real casino when you can beat the online ones? Why waste time and effort going to a casino when you can play in bed?
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And.....
It was illegal in the UsofA until very recently. It didn't stop millions from playing and exploiting the bonuses.
I'm obviously not part of that sample of the population.Quote: billryanAnd.....
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It was illegal in the UsofA until very recently. It didn't stop millions from playing and exploiting the bonuses.
i haven't noticed CM. do you have some links? is it showing their method? i'd q whether it's wealthy gamblers chewing through their ongoing profits from their businesses, or actual 'do it for a living' gamblers.Quote: ChallengedMillyIronically we have about a hundred or more successful online twitch and YouTube gamblers that are being paid by the online casinos to push their product. That's a type of success that shouldn't be ignored.
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That's not accurate. At the federal level, it's never been against the law for players to play. At the state level, it's always been against the law for players to play in most states, and for the most part that hasn't changed, except a handful of states have legalized online gambling, if you play at one of the licensed casinos. See Is online gambling legal in the U.S.?Quote: billryan[Online gambling] was illegal in the UsofA until very recently.
could also be set ups, where the gambler is using the casino's money to get watchers interestedQuote: ChallengedMillyIronically we have about a hundred or more successful online twitch and YouTube gamblers that are being paid by the online casinos to push their product. That's a type of success that shouldn't be ignored.
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Quote: MichaelBluejayThat's not accurate. At the federal level, it's never been against the law for players to play. At the state level, it's always been against the law for players to play in most states, and for the most part that hasn't changed, except a handful of states have legalized online gambling, if you play at one of the licensed casinos. See Is online gambling legal in the U.S.?link to original postQuote: billryan[Online gambling] was illegal in the UsofA until very recently.
I'm not that knowledgeable about the in and outs of the law, but seeing how it's Official Name is The Unlawful Internet Enforcement Act of 2006 I'm going to assume its purpose was to make it illegal. The law says you can play for fun, but that isn't gambling. Weren't the early pioneers of internet gambling prosecuted by our Justice Department even though they were based in Costa Rica?
ah. where we may also have a divergence in thinking is that i've been referring to bj players v casinos, not poker players v other poker players. you?Quote: ChallengedMillyIronically we have about a hundred or more successful online twitch and YouTube gamblers that are being paid by the online casinos to push their product. That's a type of success that shouldn't be ignored.
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And you're dead wrong. You think politicians are honest?Quote: billryan...seeing how it's [sic] Official Name is The Unlawful Internet Enforcement Act of 2006 I'm going to assume its purpose was to make it illegal.
And of course the explanation of how the law didn't actually ban online gambling is explained in the article I just linked to, which of course you didn't bother to read.
You're a real hoot. First of all, the article doesn't say that the "game itself" is illegal, it says that it's illegal to *operate* a game, but there's no law against *playing* the game. The players should expect to not get arrested (because they broke no law) and to not have their money confiscated (because they broke no law).Quote: billryanYour article says it is okay for players to gamble in NY, that the law only says the operators and the game itself is illegal. So when the cops bust the game and confiscate the players' money, they should feel good knowing they didn't do anything wrong.
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NO YOU HAVEN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote: WellbushI have achieved a system that does beat everything online.
NO IT"S NOT!!!!!Quote: WellbushI'm Australian and live in Australia. Gambling online is illegal here 🤷link to original postQuote: billryanWhy would you want to play in a real casino when you can beat the online ones? Why waste time and effort going to a casino when you can play in bed?
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Now that we got that out of way.
I can provide you with links to online casinos you CAN access from there (it may be illegal for them to provide such a service to you, I'm not sure, but I'm certain they don't care all that much)
There are places you don't need any ID verification or anything, just deposit, play and cash out your winnings....EzPeasy
Go to town and make yourself the big bucks. Once you made the big bucks and cashed out you could allow The Wizard to log onto your account and verify extraordinary winning you have been doing. Don't worry that the access may disclose your winning system manny places don't keep bet logs just deposits and cashouts.
Just deposit play and cash out your winnings....EzPeasy
Let's say you still think it's illegal there for some reason... You can always front the money from someone you trust from a different country to follow your betting system via a private live stream.
It never ceases to amaze me how all the gambling Geniuses who have figured out the Holy Grail can't ever figure out how to get the money in their pockets. Meanwhile, people using AP methods tend to actually get money in their pockets.
let the excuses fly...
as for excuses, i'm not making any. i'm invariably honest. the only times i've lied is when i told my gfs/wife that i only had eyes for them.
so when you assert i'm not telling the truth, well, i can only hold my tongue.
It is *not* against the law for Australian players to gamble online. So, when you say:
THERE IS NO SUCH LAW.Quote: Wellbushi don't wish to risk being caught doing something illegal, even if i don't agree with the law.
almost 8,000 views here touting an obvious impossibility
OP is free to post here - no doubt - not saying otherwise - although it definitely should have gone into the betting systems area
not putting it there lends credibility to something that has no credibility - as if to say, maybe this will really work
there is a forum out there where they eat this stuff up
those who claim winning progressive or bet selection systems are winners are heroes there - 80% believe them
𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙖 𝙩𝙤𝙣 𝙤𝙛 𝙥𝙚𝙤𝙥𝙡𝙚 𝙬𝙝𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙠 𝙥𝙧𝙤 𝙬𝙧𝙚𝙨𝙩𝙡𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙞𝙨 𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙡
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OP is free to post here - no doubt - not saying otherwise - although it definitely should have gone into the betting systems area
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As far as I can tell, this thread is properly organized under the BS heading.
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As far as I can tell, this thread is properly organized under the BS heading
lover your acronym for the Betting Systems heading______________(-:\
what I meant was it IMO should appear only there as does the other famous or infamous thread
as of 15 minutes ago it appears in the Recent Threads heading which I guess most people consider the front page of WOV - as shown :
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Quote: lilredroosterlover your acronym for the Betting Systems heading______________(-:\
what I meant was it IMO should appear only there as does the other famous or infamous thread
as of 15 minutes ago it appears in the Recent Threads heading which I guess most people consider the front page of WOV - as shown :link to original post
Yes, most threads are added to the top of the pile as they're updated. This thread is under active discussion, that's how the recent threads feature works.
you're entitled to an opinion mb. as far as i'm aware it is illegal to gamble online if one is residing in australia. however if australians depart from australia, they can gamble online if they enter a jurisdiction where it's permittedQuote: MichaelBluejayIf you wonder why people don't take you seriously, start with the fact that you apparently can't even use the Google. That's a pretty low bar, yet somehow you're not surpassing it.
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It is *not* against the law for Australian players to gamble online. So, when you say:
THERE IS NO SUCH LAW.
what he means dieter, is that he wants the thread hidden, and he probably wants all bs threads hidden. i could care less. i don't think i've specifically said i believe in systems, since i restarted this thread. i've probably said bs MAY work. i'm sitting on the fence while i trial systems🤷♀️. it's up to admin if they wanna hide thisQuote: DieterQuote: lilredroosterwhat I meant was it IMO should appear only there as does the other famous or infamous thread
as of 15 minutes ago it appears in the Recent Threads heading which I guess most people consider the front page of WOV - as shown :link to original post
Yes, most threads are added to the top of the pile as they're updated. This thread is under active discussion, that's how the recent threads feature works.link to original post
from https://www.legalgamblingandthelaw.com/au/legal-australian-online-casino-sites:Quote: Wellbushyou're entitled to an opinion mb. as far as i'm aware it is illegal to gamble online if one is residing in australia. however if australians depart from australia, they can gamble online if they enter a jurisdiction where it's permitted
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"Are Online Casinos Legal in Australia?
Unfortunately, online gambling is strictly regulated in Australia. It started with the Interactive Gambling Act (IGA) of 2001, when the Australian government decided to put a stop to online gambling due to its negative consequences.
Yet, this act was not detailed enough, and some loopholes were found over the years. So, with the Interactive Gambling Amendment Bill 2016, more ground was covered, and it was established that players could not even join Australian online gambling platforms.
The Interactive Gambling Act 2017 only sealed the fate of online gambling in Australia further by strictly forbidding online casinos, table games, and slot machines. More measures were introduced, including banning online wagering services that do not hold a license issued by an Australian state or territory.
Naturally, some players still want to try their luck at online casinos without an Australian license, which is why they’ve opted for other approaches. For instance, one of the most effective strategies includes using a high-quality VPN service, which enables the players to establish a private connection from other countries. That way, they are able to join any offshore online casino sites of their choice, despite being in Australia.
However, before taking any further steps, it’s best to consult your lawyer."
this is not the only source online that describes the law here in australia. i think people desperate to find a loophole that they want to use to justify online gambling in australia, can do so at their own peril. anyway, i can go to my local Crown Casino in Perth, anytime, if i wish.
i might add that not all online gambling is prohibited in Australia. horse racing, sports betting, etc. is permitted, but not casino games.
Is there a law that prohibits you from placing bets online. YES OR NO? If yes, please post it.Quote: Wellbushfrom https://www.legalgamblingandthelaw.com/au/legal-australian-online-casino-sites:Quote: Wellbushyou're entitled to an opinion mb. as far as i'm aware it is illegal to gamble online if one is residing in australia. however if australians depart from australia, they can gamble online if they enter a jurisdiction where it's permitted
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"Are Online Casinos Legal in Australia?
Unfortunately, online gambling is strictly regulated in Australia. It started with the Interactive Gambling Act (IGA) of 2001, when the Australian government decided to put a stop to online gambling due to its negative consequences.
Yet, this act was not detailed enough, and some loopholes were found over the years. So, with the Interactive Gambling Amendment Bill 2016, more ground was covered, and it was established that players could not even join Australian online gambling platforms.
The Interactive Gambling Act 2017 only sealed the fate of online gambling in Australia further by strictly forbidding online casinos, table games, and slot machines. More measures were introduced, including banning online wagering services that do not hold a license issued by an Australian state or territory.
Naturally, some players still want to try their luck at online casinos without an Australian license, which is why they’ve opted for other approaches. For instance, one of the most effective strategies includes using a high-quality VPN service, which enables the players to establish a private connection from other countries. That way, they are able to join any offshore online casino sites of their choice, despite being in Australia.
However, before taking any further steps, it’s best to consult your lawyer."
this is not the only source online that describes the law here in australia. i think people desperate to find a loophole that they want to use to justify online gambling in australia, can do so at their own peril. anyway, i can go to my local Crown Casino in Perth, anytime, if i wish.
i might add that not all online gambling is prohibited in Australia. horse racing, sports betting, etc. is permitted, but not casino games.link to original post
Quote: lilredroosternobody is telling you to be quiet and go away
Quote: lilredroosterbut this board is led by the Wizard who is an expert in the mathematics of gambling and prides himself on providing extremely accurate information
So what you have posted is that because "the Wizard who is an expert in the mathematics of gambling," he is therefore infallible, unchallengeable, accurate in total specificity in all of his formulas, calculations, eq
Quote: lilredroosterso, you're not going to come onto this board and state that you can beat the house in the long run with your progression without having your point of view rebutted
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if it hurts you to have your point of view rebutted, well, the French have a saying__________
"that is of great sadness"
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Quote: lilredroosterbut this board is led by the Wizard who is an expert in the mathematics of gambling and prides himself on providing extremely accurate information
So what you have posted is that because "the Wizard who is an expert in the mathematics of gambling," he is therefore infallible, unchallengeable, accurate in total specificity in all of his formulas, calculations, equations, and estimates.
I have a rebuttal position.
In the universe of science, math and specifically "gambling math" is a subsection. In most all forms of science, proof of concept is required. Proofs are a result, usually, of longitudinal studies encompassing verifiable and documented trials (actual casino gambling play and wagering), testing, examinations, and criteria that will then provide decisive and unrelenting explanations for the hypothesis or question(s) to be resolved. If that is available, on some questions, it has not yet made the forum pages.
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Quote: tuttigymSo what you have posted is that because "the Wizard who is an expert in the mathematics of gambling," he is therefore infallible, unchallengeable, accurate in total specificity in all of his formulas, calculations, equations, and estimates.
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I have a rebuttal position.
In the universe of science, math and specifically "gambling math" is a subsection. In most all forms of science, proof of concept is required. Proofs are a result, usually, of longitudinal studies encompassing verifiable and documented trials (actual casino gambling play and wagering), testing, examinations, and criteria that will then provide decisive and unrelenting explanations for the hypothesis or question(s) to be resolved. If that is available, on some questions, it has not yet made the forum pages.
tuttigym
.there are some proofs that martingale won't work that I found while searching but I have not linked them because they're very scholarly - probably done by PhDs or PhD candidates, and frankly, I can't understand them
however the image below shows what a guy found using a computer script - he doesn't say clearly but I believe each player's inital bet is $1.00 and a "time step" is a bet
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to me, this is pretty convincing
in another post you wrote this:
Quote: tuttigymTheir "math" is dependent upon: 1) the "long term" (never exactly defined) which basically becomes infinity until their "math" results mirror the supposed "expectation
you are correct in saying that the "long term" is never actually defined
but I can assure you that a mathematician could do this -
he could tell you that - I'm just giving an example here - that if you play your system for 1,000 hands there is a 75% chance you will bust; (assuming your system is clearly defined), if you play it for 2,000 hands there is a 95% chance you will bust; if you play your system for 5,000 hands there is a 99% chance you will bust.
again, this is just an example of info a mathematician could provide you with for any system - the numbers are not meant to be accurate
I also have provided a link to the posts of "thatdonguy" - if you look thru them you will find he has done many computer simulations of many different systems and has also provided a great deal of mathematical insights into gambling - he is an extraordinarily bright guy who has provided a great deal of useful info
https://wizardofvegas.com/member/thatdonguy/posts/
despite all I have posted here I still have a strong feeling that you will not be convinced
the reason that many don't become convinced is because proof of the martingale not working is counter-intuitive
it just 𝙨𝙚𝙖𝙢𝙨 like a person would almost never lose his bet 10 times in a row
and that even 5 times in a row would be so very rare
but what a person 𝙨𝙚𝙖𝙢𝙨 is many times not correct, as in the example with the martingale
that's okay - you are a gentleman in the manner in which you converse and I don't mind at all doing the work necessary to gather this info
Good Luck to you
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I'm not sure why you're asking me that q axel. The part of the article you copied clearly mentions 3 laws that prohibit online gaming, not online betting. Gaming, meaning online casino games. That's not the same as betting on races or sports. Online lottery is also permitted in Australia. Again, online casino games is not permitted by any Australian in Australia, as per the 3 laws stated in the information I (and you) copied above.Quote: AxelWolfIs there a law that prohibits you from placing bets online. YES OR NO? If yes, please post it.
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Gambling sites just saying the mathematicians say it is so, isn't necessarily comforting to some. WOV does take a stand on the matter, so I am happy to accept that, when I post on this site. I won't tell WOV otherwise, but it doesn't stop me questioning/doubting on this site.
I do think that naysayers needn't think that believers are being stubborn or ignorant. At WOV though, naysayers could just 'politely' point out to believers, that the naysayer argument is what is upheld here, whether believers like it, or not.
That doesn't mean naysayers can demand believers stop asking qs, or stop believing if believers wish to continue 'discovering.' Believers asking qs is different from believers telling WOV that they're wrong.
Quote: WellbushI'm not sure why you're asking me that q axel. The part of the article you copied clearly mentions 3 laws that prohibit online gaming, not online betting. Gaming, meaning online casino games. That's not the same as betting on races or sports. Online lottery is also permitted in Australia. Again, online casino games is not permitted by any Australian in Australia, as per the 3 laws stated in the information I (and you) copied above.link to original postQuote: AxelWolfIs there a law that prohibits you from placing bets online. YES OR NO? If yes, please post it.
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There are two sides to every casino bet: the player and the house. In most places that criminalize online gaming, it is just the house part that is illegal. The player, playing at an “illegal house” is not breaking the law.
