Quote:Wallywalt291. A Run of 12 spins between 2nd 3rd Dozen before hitting on 1st dozen. This is just random right.

2. The pattern I look at is which dozen the ball lands on the 13th spin. Im betting on back to 2nd 3rd dozen, This is the first stage and is still just random I understand. I do cover 2 of the 3 Columns or Dozens.

3. This is where the pattern is important The criteria needs to occur during the 12 spins. Example is hitting on 1st dozen for the 5th spin than 12th spin.

#3 says to look for when the 1st dozen won in the 12 spins - but #1 says that the 1st dozen never won in the 12 spins.

Also, were your two sets of results based on actual bets that you made, or by applying your method to some list of 20,000 existing spins?

IF you are saying you have looked at some SPECIFIC roulette wheels over thousands of spins and found that certain columns come up more often than others, implying there is something wrong with the wheel, then it is POSSIBLE you could win money over time betting on those columns. (Doubtful, but not impossible) In that case you would probably do better by identifying specific numbers that come up more than 1/35 of the time...

I don't think it is what you are asking. It seems you are trying to imply that you have a betting system that will beat roulette. If that is the case, you can save yourself the 100 hours of work you plan on putting in.... YOU DON"T! As mentioned above, in a fair roulette game, each bet you make comes up against the house edge. The more you bet, the more you are likely to lose.

Quote:Wallywalt29Wizards need help from all mathematicians...

I'm having a hard time understanding what the question is. Please try to boil it down to as few words as possible and in plain simple correct English.

Quote:Wallywalt29But I’d rather wait 60- 100 spins for better than average odds than just betting on a whim.

This is your first flaw in thinking.

The odds are always the same,

they never change. If you were

to play this out over a million

spins you would see you have

no advantage. The short term

in roulette is meaningless. You

can walk up to a table and bet

red three times in a row and win.

Meaningless.

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Wizards, (I) need help from all mathematicians

the first step

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calculating an event pattern within a sequence of random events over large number of samples (Not RNG) Roulette Dozens / Columns

Hes saying that - contrary to what everyone else always says, that he is seeing a reoccurring pattern over a large set of numbers.

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Results to start with

59 wins 7 losses

Another to test this wasn’t a fluke was 73 wins 11 losses nets a 51 Unit profit

He won 59 times and lost 7 times withing total of 66 times??

He also won 73 times and lost 11 times out of a total of 84 times??

Does that mean that you bet every single round, or took 66 shots the one time and the result set of spins is more than 66 or 88...?

So there would be a total of 10,000 spins you saw and you bet 66 times out of the 10,000, and those are your results out of those trys?

Quote:Wallywalt29

My interest is in patterns and odds than taking a gamble at something. I need help to curb my curiosity with the hard facts of maths.

IDK what to say sorry

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Yes these event patterns are rear but watch to many people going up and down before loosing.

So theres a pattern but its rare im assuming is what you meant by rear.

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Sure the opportunity to bet is limited as this example may be from 20,000 spins but the losses are limited

Ah that answers that other question

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For 30 years I’ve looked at patterns and gaps within these events and read countless opinions on forums talking about random events and not beating the house edge but don’t understand how to calculate this - usually just uneducated opinions

this is about baccarat, but this is how people here are coming to the conclusions that they are. they are literally time travellers, because computers allow us to run simulations faster than anyone can perform the results on their own in their own lifetime.

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Question, when does an event no longer become random ?? or am I just kidding myself

Like i originally said - Who said random numbers dont or shouldnt have patterns?

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There are 3 parts to the pattern before betting.

1. A Run of 12 spins between 2nd 3rd Dozen before hitting on 1st dozen. This is just random right.

2. The pattern I look at is which dozen the ball lands on the 13th spin. Im betting on back to 2nd 3rd dozen, This is the first stage and is still just random I understand. I do cover 2 of the 3 Columns or Dozens.

3. This is where the pattern is important The criteria needs to occur during the 12 spins. Example is hitting on 1st dozen for the 5th spin than 12th spin.

What I’m looking at is when the 1st Dozen is hit at specific points within the set 12 spins. As in 5th and 12th

Sure I may have lost my mind but this tends to be working based on specific combinations. Some better than others when you analyse each combination.

It’s easy to read on forums for years that you don’t win long term against random events that I concur with. But I’d rather wait 60- 100 spins for better than average odds than just betting on a whim.

Wondering what the math is on my example. Which is a set pattern within a range of random events. Is this still considered random ? As the results over the long run to date show otherwise.

I’m interested in your view as to whether this is still considered random from a mathematical perspective. I’m not going to be specific on the exact combinations used as I’ve manually done over 100,000 results and continue to record 4 wheels live daily to analyse.

I’m looking for the weak link in the chain to appear.

Thanks for your interest

This is random...

As well as this

Quote:KeyserNope, those are electronic reader boards that are rereading/glitching as they read the same roulette number over and over

I knew that from years ago on

GG but didn't feel like wising

anybody up. I did see seven 00

and 0's in a row in Vegas once.

Freaky, They switched dealers

3 times after the 4th zero. After

the 6th zero there were piles of chips

on the zero's and when it hit

the place went crazy. Once in

a lifetime thing.

That’s a 1 in 894 million chance, 3 times more remote than winning the powerball jackpot (which is essentially a zero in a lifetime event). Bull-oneyQuote:EvenBobI did see seven 00

and 0's in a row in Vegas once.

Freaky, They switched dealers

3 times after the 4th zero. After

the 6th zero there were piles of chips

on the zero's and when it hit

the place went crazy. Once in

a lifetime thing.

Quote:Before you read this let me know if this is the correct layout for the wheel you are using as well if the numbers are in the correct order (im a lazy programmer i make mistakes). If not i can change the layout and repost the images for the correct layout type

Quote:

Secondly dont forget about

Look at it from a VB perspective if you will

each image shows green bars above a number in order to illustrate where a bet will land on the wheel as opposed to the felt - it doesnt matter but lets say i have one unit on each "bet type"(column, dozen)

These images each show where a bet will land on for the dozens and columns in that order

remember when you are looking at these that, when in play, each wheel will be going in a specific direction.

when the ball slows down, it will be dropping from a specific section on the wheel as denoted by the 0-11 (clock like numbers)

when the ball drops it will be approaching the numbers hopefully in a linear fashion in order to predict when the ball will slow down at a specific number

First Dozen

Looking at the first layout, we have a maximum gap of 5 numbers and a minimum gap of 1 number

Second Dozen

At this layout, we have a maximum gap of 9 numbers and a minimum gap of 1 number

Third Dozen

At this layout, we have a maximum gap of 6 numbers and a minimum gap of 1 number

Column 1

At this layout, we have a maximum gap of 4 numbers and a minimum gap of 1 number

Column 2

At this layout, we have a maximum gap of 4 numbers and a minimum gap of 1 number

Column 3

Looking at the this last layout, we have a maximum gap of 7 numbers and a minimum gap of 1 number

I cant really explain any further

Quote:Ace2Bull-oney

Nope. Happened at an off Strip

casino about 2000. It was before

I was playing roulette. I saw

a crowd around the table and

noticed two 00's and two 0's

on the board. Funny thing is,

for the 8th spin there was less

than half as many chips bet

as for the 7th, It's like everybody

knew it was over.