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May 13th, 2020 at 4:43:45 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

you are aware of the roulette 007 promotion?

do tell
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May 13th, 2020 at 6:41:55 AM permalink
well, it's turned into a more interesting thread than you might have thought, I've got to catch up with all of that. 

As for me, I was a little surprised how you showed a doomed strategy can go on and on. Considering how well some of the theoretical players were doing at some point, some times, I can see how somebody can start thinking that it is beating the house. This might explain how, say, I dunno, say some guy from India with a big bankroll could get other people peering over from the roulette table thinking that beating the house is exactly what's happening?
Last edited by: odiousgambit on May 13, 2020
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May 13th, 2020 at 9:17:15 AM permalink
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I'm not sure if Bovada has live dealers for US market,



Bovada has live dealers, the same
dealers 90% of online casinos
have. A live feed from somewhere
in the Caribbean, a company that
supplies dealers 24/7. It's legit,
but that doesn't mean if you
consistently win the casino you;'re
playing at will consistently pay you.
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May 13th, 2020 at 10:47:43 AM permalink
Here is version 3, and hopefully last, of my Labouchere video. I welcome all comments.



Direct: https://youtu.be/cCOmTsIrhkg
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May 13th, 2020 at 10:58:16 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Here is version 3, and hopefully last, of my Labouchere video. I welcome all comments.



Direct: https://youtu.be/cCOmTsIrhkg



I listened to the first 1:30. I was so turned off that I stopped.

Look, I agree with you about betting systems. I think the name of this system should be pronounced La/bool/ shee.

But you speak about how you don't like to discuss betting systems, but, dang it, you've noticed how many views the other betting systems videos are getting (and, by golly, you want viewers too!) And you think people should not listen to the quacks on other videos. And then you double down and call them quacks again.

The overall impression is that you are not only unenthusiastic about this subject, but that you are contemptuous of the other people that discuss this subject. (Which I suspect is true, and I do indeed agree with you.) And that your motivation for doing this video is a desire to be viewed, and not a passion for the subject. I cannot think of a better way to chase off any hapless person who happens to click on your video.

If you insist on making a video that you are embarrassed to be making, may I suggest it feature a porn actress? You'll probably have more fun. And more viewers.
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May 14th, 2020 at 9:04:36 AM permalink
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I think the name of this system should be pronounced La/bool/ shee.



Based on what. Because in reality
it's pronounced la/boo/cher

https://www.howtopronounce.com/labouchere
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May 14th, 2020 at 10:04:53 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I listened to the first 1:30. I was so turned off that I stopped.

Look, I agree with you about betting systems. I think the name of this system should be pronounced La/bool/ shee.

But you speak about how you don't like to discuss betting systems, but, dang it, you've noticed how many views the other betting systems videos are getting (and, by golly, you want viewers too!) And you think people should not listen to the quacks on other videos. And then you double down and call them quacks again.

The overall impression is that you are not only unenthusiastic about this subject, but that you are contemptuous of the other people that discuss this subject. (Which I suspect is true, and I do indeed agree with you.) And that your motivation for doing this video is a desire to be viewed, and not a passion for the subject. I cannot think of a better way to chase off any hapless person who happens to click on your video.

If you insist on making a video that you are embarrassed to be making, may I suggest it feature a porn actress? You'll probably have more fun. And more viewers.



Hmmm. Maybe I was a bit harsh. After I get past my rant at the beginning, I think you'll find the rest mathematically sound.
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May 14th, 2020 at 10:18:37 AM permalink
It's what I was politely trying to tell you earlier. You should offer a fair trial challenge at the beginning, let the math do the talking in the middle and then present your contempt at the end. Otherwise you'll lose most of your audience in the first 30 seconds imho.
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May 14th, 2020 at 10:29:35 AM permalink
Quote: Gialmere

It's what I was politely trying to tell you earlier. You should offer a fair trial challenge at the beginning, let the math do the talking in the middle and then present your contempt at the end. Otherwise you'll lose most of your audience in the first 30 seconds imho.



Point taken. Thank you.
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May 14th, 2020 at 11:03:44 AM permalink
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Hmmm. Maybe I was a bit harsh. After I get past my rant at the beginning, I think you'll find the rest mathematically sound.



I am probably too harsh as well. I consider myself your friend and I admire your personal integrity in taking your position on betting systems. But I think this video may not be as successful as you want it to be with this kind of opening. I think Gialmere's advice is on the right track. You should make your opening as friendly and an inviting as you can stand to be. Smile - and that kind of stuff. Save the condemnation and hellfire for the end.

A piece of technical advice: your camera is too low, and its view upward makes you look intimidating - like a judge. Perhaps you could work to get the camera at face level.
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May 14th, 2020 at 11:03:45 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Hmmm. Maybe I was a bit harsh. After I get past my rant at the beginning, I think you'll find the rest mathematically sound.



I am probably too harsh as well. I consider myself your friend and I admire your personal integrity in taking your position on betting systems. But I think this video may not be as successful as you want it to be with this kind of opening. I think Gialmere's advice is on the right track. You should make your opening as friendly and an inviting as you can stand to be. Smile - and that kind of stuff. Save the condemnation and hellfire for the end.

A piece of technical advice: your camera is too low, and its view upward makes you look intimidating - like a judge. Perhaps you could work to get the camera at face level.
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May 14th, 2020 at 11:07:54 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I think the name of this system should be pronounced La/bool/ shee.



Quote: EvenBob

Based on what. Because in reality
it's pronounced la/boo/cher

https://www.howtopronounce.com/labouchere



It was meant to be humorous commentary while staying within the rules of the forum.

Try adding a "t" onto the end of La/bool/ shee.
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May 14th, 2020 at 11:21:14 AM permalink
I think you could have been even harsher though perhaps it is better to leave the criticism till the end - I'm not sure

What I'm getting at is that one aspect of this kind of betting system that wasn't mentioned* and that has to be true, is that the player is increasing his average bet. This has to mean it costs more in EV than flat betting. Perhaps it's possible to calculate what the amount of increased cost is on average and that can be stated.

*at least I don't think it is mentioned directly
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May 14th, 2020 at 11:44:16 AM permalink
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well, it's turned into a more interesting thread than you might have thought, I've got to catch up with all of that. 

As for me, I was a little surprised how you showed a doomed strategy can go on and on. Considering how well some of the theoretical players were doing at some point, some times, I can see how somebody can start thinking that it is beating the house. This might explain how, say, I dunno, say some guy from India with a big bankroll could get other people peering over from the roulette table thinking that beating the house is exactly what's happening?

someone else and I both wrote about this here on the Forum and there should be some articles online as well. It all took place in the early 2000s.

I'll give you the gist of it, it's been awhile so I don't remember everything perfectly: Casino-on-net, (now casino 888,I believe) ran a promotion were they were doubling payouts on double zero and 7 on E-roulette. If I recall correctly, the promotion went 3 hours. I don't remember what the max bet was, but it was high enough.

You had to have had made a deposit prior to the promotion. Back then, I was fairly skeptical and didn't even know if the casino was legit. Nonetheless, we still made a deposit of around $1,200 each. We assumed the payout would be instant and you wouldn't run out of money, and you could ramp up your bets as you were winning. I had turned out they were Rogue you would only lose 1200 bucks each.

Unfortunately, whenever you hit one of those special numbers the double payout was given in the form of bonuses that were added after promotion, after or within 24 hours, I don't remember at this point. Once we realized the bonuses are no longer instant we kept our bets had a reasonable amount until the account ran out of funds. Obviously we were just clicking as fast as possible, I'm fairly certain all of us ran out of money prior to the promotion ending.

You had to roll the bonus money over one time. They had E- Baccarat so that was a breeze to do, I'm pretty sure I even won on the baccarat rolling the money over. We made a fairly nice score considering the amount of time we put in. There are other people we had more experience with this casino I know exactly how the promotion worked so they loaded up their accounts with much larger amounts. In the end the casino lost over $1000000 and everybody was successfully paid out. I think one individual may have made over 200,000 himself. I really can't confirm that.
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May 14th, 2020 at 11:48:36 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

What I'm getting at is that one aspect of this kind of betting system that wasn't mentioned* and that has to be true, is that the player is increasing his average bet. This has to mean it costs more in EV than flat betting. Perhaps it's possible to calculate what the amount of increased cost is on average and that can be stated.

*at least I don't think it is mentioned directly


Good point. Suppose you're a red chip player and have decided to to use $10 units for Labouchère at baccarat. In the video, the Wizard reaches a spot where the system requires betting 17 units. You have to ask yourself, if you had just walked into the casino, would you (a low budget bankroll player) immediately slap down $170 on a single hand of baccarat?
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May 14th, 2020 at 12:36:06 PM permalink
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Bovada has live dealers, the same
dealers 90% of online casinos
have. A live feed from somewhere
in the Caribbean, a company that
supplies dealers 24/7. It's legit,
but that doesn't mean if you
consistently win the casino you;'re
playing at will consistently pay you.

And yet, oddly enough, Advantage Players have taken out ungodly amounts of money from that place. I'm talking about individuals taking out well over $100,000. I know I did very very well there, and not once had an issue getting paid. So, I highly doubt they're going to be worried about paying you your potential 3 fiddy in very very lucky winnings.

You sound as if you're arguing and making excuses about something you don't have enough knowledge about. You just hear this or that and then you come to a conclusion, and that's, that.

You can come up with all the excuses, arguments and reasons to procrastinate you want for yourself, but it sounds more like you're trying to convince us why you can't employ your wonderful winning roulette system online.
Of course, it might not be such a good idea if one's roulette system really didn't work, because then there would be no self denial, selective memory or funny accounting since the numbers would actually be right there in black and white. Or may I say, black and RED. ( that's like a double pun right?)

I know if I had some super duper master roulette abilities such as yourself, I'd try to scrape together a few hundred bucks and take a shot. The cost of exploring the potential of an online casino while using your master roulette system.... $100-$500. The potential, entertainment, monetary Rewards, Pride, bragging rights and satisfaction of taking an online casinos money.....PRICELESS!
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May 14th, 2020 at 3:18:16 PM permalink
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that's, that. p with all the excuses, arguments and reasons to procrastinate



As usual you're wrong. I don't have
Bitcoin and that's really holding
me back. I've tried getting it but
always run into a snag. Bovada
only sends checks twice a year
if you don't have Bitcoin.
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May 14th, 2020 at 4:40:11 PM permalink
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... Back then, I was fairly skeptical and didn't even know if the casino was legit. Nonetheless, we still made a deposit of around $1,200 each... [if] they were Rogue you would only lose 1200 bucks each.

we are so different! but thanks for the explanation
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May 14th, 2020 at 11:36:32 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

As usual you're wrong. I don't have
Bitcoin and that's really holding
me back. I've tried getting it but
always run into a snag. Bovada
only sends checks twice a year
if you don't have Bitcoin.

ROTFLMAO. You quote me and start your sentence off by telling me how I'm wrong about you making excuses, arguments and reasons to procrastinate. Then you follow it up with a bunch of excuses, arguments and reasons to procrastinate.

This is comedy gold.
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May 15th, 2020 at 12:05:46 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Bovada
only sends checks twice a year
if you don't have Bitcoin.

Talk about "As usual you're wrong".

Even though I haven't played at Bovada in a long time, nor have I talked to anyone recently that has, at least not regarding this, I would be willing to bet that just isn't true. So, unless something has changed drastically very recently(because no doubt, we would have heard of it by now that were the case), I'm going to have to say that's just totally flat out wrong. It Just doesn't make any logical sense, unless they're trying to do everything they can to push people into using Bitcoin. As a matter of fact, I'd be willing to give 2 to 1 odds and even say you are way off, by a factor of at least five . I don't know, maybe you're just so far out in the boonies that situation specific to you and a few others or something crazy like that.

How long has Bovada and many other reputable online casinos been around? Yet, you still haven't figured out how to get money on there?(yeah, yeah, I know, you only started trying recently. I somehow don't believe that since you have been saying pretty much similar things about online gambling for a long time now.

I have two words for you: Problem Solving.

You're well-versed in being able to start a thread, so perhaps you should try the following....

Hey guys, I have a super duper winning roulette system. Unfortunately, I've been having problems buying Bitcoin, thus costing me mucho dinero daily. Does anyone have a few hundred dollars in BTC they can send me? I'll send you the money via Paypal or some other method. We can use a third-party on the forum such as Mike, BBB, OD to ensure a smooth trusted transaction. Time is of the essence, so I hope to hear from someone at their soonest convenience.
Thanks in advance, from your number one friendliest poster, Even Bob.

p.s. I'll owe you one once I make a couple hundred grand.
-------------------------------------

I would be more than happy to sell you a few hundred in Bitcoin. I would be more than happy to buy some back from you. I'm sure there's some other people who would also volunteer.

I hear Binance is it good place to get a crypto wallet. I was able to make a transaction through there without ever having to send any ID. I'm sure there's limits, I can't buy and sell it, but I can transfer to and from my wallet and that's all you really need to be able to do for now.

Jesus Christ, God sure likes to troll us, he gives all the special super duper gambling systems(I'm sorry, methods) to all the wrong people. *Shakes fist at God

This might also be helpful for you.
6 Best Problem Solving Classes & Courses [2020]
https://digitaldefynd.com/best-problem-solving-classes/
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May 15th, 2020 at 3:03:22 AM permalink
Here is my new page on the Labouchere. I hope version 4 of the video will be ready later today.
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May 15th, 2020 at 10:45:59 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Talk about "As usual you're wrong".

Even though I haven't played at Bovada in a long time, nor have I talked to anyone recently that has, at least not regarding this, I would be willing to bet that just isn't true



Again wrong. They send 2 free checks
a year and charge a hefty fee for any
others. I already got a free check,
I don't want to pay for the next one.

Why would I want to make you my
Bitcoin middleman, I trust you as
far as I can see you at midnight without
a flashlight. Probably not even that
far..
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May 15th, 2020 at 12:57:35 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Again wrong. They send 2 free checks
a year and charge a hefty fee for any
others. I already got a free check,
I don't want to pay for the next one.

Why would I want to make you my
Bitcoin middleman, I trust you as
far as I can see you at midnight without
a flashlight. Probably not even that
far..

You're wrong again, you said, and I quote, "Bovada
only sends checks twice a year if you don't have Bitcoin." You did not say anything about FREE.
None the less, you're probably wrong about them only sending two free checks per year, as well. According to them: You're entitled to one free Check by Courier withdrawal every 90 days. According to my non-Voodoo system funny math, that's closer to four times a year. Perhaps super duper roulette system players have some advanced math abilities that can show every 90 days actually equals twice a year 🤷‍♂️

You don't have to trust me, that's Just more excuses and a failed Jab. Especially, considering the fact that I have done many Financial transactions for considerable amounts of money with members here and throughout the gaming community and you will not find anyone legitimate that had any sort of problem. But, that was a nice try. I had a feeling you would bring that issue up, so I purposely address that issue. I said, we could use a trusted third-party. No money would be transferred to either of us until the trusted third-party receive the funds. Or you could pick and choose who you wanted to trust. Here's an idea, Find a casino that doesn't have charge high fees or is free. Play multiple locations so you can time cash-outs and avoid fees. #PROBLEM SOLVING

Talk about somebody who's always wrong, everything you've come up with regarding this has been debunked or you've been given an idea how to solve the problem. It's just more excuses, arguments and reasons to procrastinate.

Worst case scenario, you have to pay a $100 check by Courier fee. If you have a super duper winning roulette strategy(method) who cares about a measly old $100 fee when you have the keys to printing money? Have you ever heard of... the cost of doing business? I have had to pay as much as 20% to get my money in and out of online Casino's, and not just once or twice at a particular location, many times over a long period of time. Sure it sucks, but if I have a good enough REAL Advantage, I'm certainly not going to let that stop me.
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May 15th, 2020 at 3:20:19 PM permalink
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You're wrong again, you said, and I quote, "Bovada
only sends checks twice a year if you don't have Bitcoin." You did not say anything about FREE.



I didn't, is there some kind of fine
for leaving that out? Last time I
checked it was twice a year, now it's
four? Still not enough.
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May 15th, 2020 at 4:16:23 PM permalink
Here is version 4 of my Labouchere video. This one takes under advisement the comments on version 3 and features a softer gentler Wizard. Again, I welcome all comments, but I am also eager to get this off my desk.



Direct: https://youtu.be/5FdbVeNX59A
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May 15th, 2020 at 4:18:10 PM permalink
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Here is version 4 of my Labouchere video.



I'm waiting for version 8.3,
I'm very patient.
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May 15th, 2020 at 5:31:15 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I didn't, is there some kind of fine
for leaving that out? Last time I
checked it was twice a year, now it's
four? Still not enough.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was NEVER ONLY 2 FREE TIMES A YEAR. I think you were misreading something and mistaking. It was there, I swear, isn't going to fly. I'm not sure if Mike has direct communication with them anymore, but I'm sure he could find out if it was ever only two free cash outs during the time frame you checked.

There is no fine for leaving something out, but when you tell somebody they're "wrong again" based on something you were/are wrong about in the first place, there certainly should be a fine. Whatever the case, I'm 95% certain in recent years it's never been only two free cash outs. So, even if you left out a word by mistake, it was still wrong.

You can always just concede to the fact that you may have made a mistake and then move on and figure out how to actually solve your deposit and withdrawal issues. Or try to ask if there's another online casino that fit your criteria.
I'm pretty sure I can think of two or three of the top of my head.
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May 16th, 2020 at 12:25:34 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was NEVER ONLY 2 FREE TIMES A YEAR.



It used to be one free check
every calendar month, then
it went to one free check
every 6 months. Updated
in Feb it's now one free
courier check every 90
days. They had to change
the twice a year thing, not
everyone likes Bitcoin and they
were losing customers. I
hate Bitcoin with a passion.

I obviously haven't checked
since before Feb. I don't
like playing online, too much
hassle cashing the checks.
The one check I got from
them in Jan I gave to my
wife to deposit and they
rejected it. I gave it to my
brother to deposit and
they took it and sent a
letter a month later saying
no more checks form that
Canadian bank. I have since
gotten a CapOne checking
account only find out they
are death on anything Bovada.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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May 16th, 2020 at 6:11:17 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

It used to be one free check
every calendar month, then
it went to one free check
every 6 months. Updated
in Feb it's now one free
courier check every 90
days. They had to change
the twice a year thing, not
everyone likes Bitcoin and they
were losing customers. I
hate Bitcoin with a passion.

I obviously haven't checked
since before Feb. I don't
like playing online, too much
hassle cashing the checks.
The one check I got from
them in Jan I gave to my
wife to deposit and they
rejected it. I gave it to my
brother to deposit and
they took it and sent a
letter a month later saying
no more checks form that
Canadian bank. I have since
gotten a CapOne checking
account only find out they
are death on anything Bovada.

Can you link to the only two free checked for your thing? I assume there would be some outraged about this, especially from anyone playing poker, but I can't find anything.

I'm not even sure why you would have to cash out so often, unless you're making tens of thousands of dollars, if that's the case, I think I would just go ahead and pay the fee, or just figure out Bitcoin. I know that they used to do MoneyGram and other various payment methods. Hell, if you had a "friend" you could just transfer half your winnings to him the other voucher method and he could cash out as well. That would make eight free cash-outs per year.

Bovada has sister properties with live dealers such a slots.LV, and I believe ignition. If you played at all three locations that would give you well opportunities to cash out free. Again, problem solving it's a wonderful thing.



it's obvious God must be protecting the casinos since he only gives the super duper winning roulette systems to people who pose no threats to the casinos. He just loves trolling Advantage Players that use proven mathematical advantages. I think his next trick is to have a bag filled with millions of dollars fall from the sky, they were and all you have to do is pick it up and start running within 10 seconds and it's all yours. And it lands in front of Bob Oblong
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May 16th, 2020 at 9:00:03 AM permalink
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I'm not even sure why you would have to cash out so often,



Because if a casino gets a bug
up it's ass about your play,
the first thing they do is freeze
your account and everything
that's in it. Do you want to get
caught with a little or a lot in
that account. Think real hard..
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May 16th, 2020 at 1:35:31 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Because if a casino gets a bug
up it's ass about your play,
the first thing they do is freeze
your account and everything
that's in it. Do you want to get
caught with a little or a lot in
that account. Think real hard..

Bodogs has been around since about 2004 it was rebranded Bovada in 2011 so it could service United States and Canadian customers.
They have paid out individual winners hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It's one of the most respected online gaming sites around, I would assume it's number one in the United States.

If I recall correctly Mike built his entire branding model, and only advertised Bovada/Bodogs because he felt so strongly about their reputation. I think Michael bluejay is doing that now as well.

I highly doubt they would be worried about the few shekels you might build up in your account. You probably have a better chance of hitting the lottery than not getting paid. If by some miracle they thought you were a threat to them they would most likely pay you off and disable your account. I bet somebody would be willing to sell you insurance.

Whatever the case, all those problems are solvable I already told you how you could go about getting 12 cash-outs per year doing the same thing with just a little more effort. And of course what just a little bit of effort fairly simple just use Bitcoin. I get it ,you hate Bitcoin more than you like making money and playing.🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️
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May 16th, 2020 at 2:39:04 PM permalink
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Bodogs has been around since about 2004 it was rebranded Bovada in 201



They also have a rep for freezing
accounts for long periods.


Quote:

you hate Bitcoin more than you like making money and playing.



I don't like buying something that
goes down in value by 40% by
the time I want to sell it.
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May 16th, 2020 at 5:52:26 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

They also have a rep for freezing
accounts for long periods.




I don't like buying something that
goes down in value by 40% by
the time I want to sell it.

but they got paid, right?

I know years ago they had some slow down to me guards to payments during the Black Friday Issues, that was to be expected. I know some people have had issues when playing poker due to suspicious activity of Chip dumping large amounts.
Big Sports Bettors have been backed off, but they got paid.
I have yet to hear any stories about someone winning too much on roulette having any issues whatsoever.
We hear stories all the time people can't cash out at brick-and-mortar casinos you can get back roomed and jailed.
You're being paranoid over a super tiny small chance of you not getting paid if you win. Especially when you have a super duper winning roulette system have a license to print money.
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Do you understand how an exchange works? I'm certainly no expert, by any means, but it's similar to an ETrade account. You can park your money in cash on the exchange until you want to use it, that would avoid the roller coaster ride. Or you can transfer it over to a tether coin. From my understanding, a tether coin semi mimics the US dollar or some other form of currency. Again, problem solving.

It just makes absolutely no sense that you would deprive yourself of a Fortune and fun. If you want to let a few pebbles lying on the highway derail your entire adventure, what can I say? Sounds like a bunch of excuses, procrastination and arguments to me. I suggest you take your ball and go home.
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May 16th, 2020 at 10:20:57 PM permalink
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It just makes absolutely no sense that you would deprive yourself



Just waiting for the brick and
mortars to reopen. Seems to
bother you more than me.
I play everyday online, mostly
bac. Just for fun..
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May 17th, 2020 at 10:00:15 AM permalink
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Just waiting for the brick and
mortars to reopen. Seems to
bother you more than me.
I play everyday online, mostly
bac. Just for fun..

What bothers me is you turning molehills into mountains while claiming I'm wrong again multiple times when in fact I wasn't.

Just for fun, as in fun mode?
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May 17th, 2020 at 12:29:06 PM permalink
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Starting Bankroll 50 100 250 500 1000 2500
Probability winning goal reached 81.47% 89.52% 95.34% 97.53% 98.71% 99.45%

I have not read through this thread but I assume someone has observed that the chance of reaching the goal is close to e^(-g/b), where g = gain = 10 and b = bankroll.

So, for instance, the probability of turning 250 into 260 would be e^(-10/250) = 96.07%. This method is about 1% high for all scenarios shown. The difference could be the edge of 1.36%
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May 17th, 2020 at 1:02:54 PM permalink
I've heard the Wizard get rapturous talking about pi and about the Fibonacci sequence, but I've never heard him say a thing about Euler's number [e].

It does seem to pop up in things as you have just shown

gonna have to have that for the next AMA
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May 17th, 2020 at 1:14:48 PM permalink
Quote: Ace2

I have not read through this thread but I assume someone has observed that the chance of reaching the goal is close to e^(-g/b), where g = gain = 10 and b = bankroll.

So, for instance, the probability of turning 250 into 260 would be e^(-10/250) = 96.07%. This method is about 1% high for all scenarios shown. The difference could be the edge of 1.36%



Can you expand on this? If not for the house edge, it would be easy to say the probability of success is b/(g+b). Can you adapt that formula to account for the house edge? It should also consider the grind factor, but I don't know how to easily quantify that without a simulation. If you do a simulation, you may as well get the probability of success from that.
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May 17th, 2020 at 1:16:16 PM permalink
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What bothers me is you turning molehills into mountains while claiming I'm wrong again multiple times when in fact I wasn't.

Just for fun, as in fun mode?



I wish I could split off this Bovada debate, but the thread is too screwed up to allow for it. Can you two please agree to disagree or resume elsewhere?
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May 17th, 2020 at 1:34:37 PM permalink
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I wish I could split off this Bovada debate, but the thread is too screwed up to allow for it. Can you two please agree to disagree or resume elsewhere?

I think you're the one that started it, LOL.
He keeps claiming I was wrong every step of the way, when in fact he was wrong every step of the way.
He made mole Hills seem like mountains, yet with a little problem solving it's actually quite simple. He will never admit anyone knows more than him or has a better way, he will just claim that's not how he does things with a bunch of lame excuses. There's not really much left to say. I won't agree to disagree, but I will agree to stop talking about it if he does.
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May 17th, 2020 at 4:22:47 PM permalink
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Just for fun, as in fun mode?



Bovada has no fun mode for
live games. Playing for the $5
min is what I call fun mode.
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May 17th, 2020 at 6:58:09 PM permalink
I just watched the video, posted on YouTube, on 5/17/2020. I thought it was an informative video, and the charts you scroll through really highlight how bad this system 'works'.

My only comment (too little, too late) is I missed hearing where you defined 'session'. A novice may not grasp this right away.

Looking forward to any others you make.
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May 17th, 2020 at 8:10:52 PM permalink
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My only comment (too little, too late) is I missed hearing where you defined 'session'. A novice may not grasp this right away.



Thanks, good suggestion. I'll be more clear on how I define a "session" for future betting system videos.

Quote:

Looking forward to any others you make.



I'm already working on the Fibonacci. I am trying to find anyone who can tell me what happens after W-L. They way it is usually explained, this would be a push. Nobody plays a betting system to just push.
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May 17th, 2020 at 8:12:00 PM permalink
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Bovada has no fun mode for
live games. Playing for the $5
min is what I call fun mode.



I hate to say this, but please consider this a warning to you and Axel for hijacking. Please just drop it -- Axel said he would.
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May 18th, 2020 at 7:26:47 AM permalink
Wiz: At some point in time you will get around to D'Alembert. Can you make a combined bet and treat it as a combined unit. Also for other systems. Thinking of combining 6&8 at craps as one bet, moving up or down as one unit. TIA
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August 29th, 2023 at 4:00:22 PM permalink
I am really looking into using the Labby when I'm playing on the RNG games. I've always liked this progression better than the D'alem. I use the D;'alem because it's fast you don't have to write anything down. But because you play at your own speed on on this RNG game there's plenty of time to write stuff down. It's which numbers to write down that I always have the most trouble with. Makes a big difference in how things come out. I remember getting real creative with them, let's see what happens this time.
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