The Adventures of MDawg

AxelWolf, I don’t think that’s fair in this case. MDawg conceded a lot as it went along. EV blew up the deal at the last minute with a new ask that no one saw coming. EV was going to get what he claims he wanted: a view into MDawg playing normally. What EV asked for at the end: a public record of every bet was out of left field.

It was really out of nowhere. It doesn’t further the stated EV goal of getting a verified MDawg daily trip report.

Quote: Expectedvalue

Wizard you are misrepresenting and misinterpreting my intent. I wanted him to show his Normal play. Not vow to win a measly 2k based on what he claims to bet. It is so blantantly obvious records were needed to avoid collusion and the like and the fact that you don’t see it really gives me pause to do anything .

This doesn’t make sense. It will be super clear from the trip Wiz verified trip report you would get whether MDawg played normally or not. You were getting that. No add by making the betting record public.

Quote: darkoz

Quote: TomG

It seems like a certainty that he is able to identify when either player or banker have a much higher than 50% chance of winning. If there is any doubt to that, than what other explanation is there for being able to consistently average a profit of $5,000 to $10,000 per hour?

So you are suggesting he is psychic?.

Or he has some mechanical means that is an AP play (or cheating)?

I am not suggesting anything about how he does it. If I had any ideas, I would be out in the casino trying to reach the same $5,000 - $10,000 per hour that he has reached. Since you doubt that explanation, maybe you could offer another explanation about how he is able to earn those profits?

Quote: Expectedvalue

I am out.

Per forum precedent, 30 days for retracting a challenge. I gave him some time to retract the retraction, but it's clear that's not going to happen.

Quote: TomG

I am not suggesting anything about how he does it. If I had any ideas, I would be out in the casino trying to reach the same $5,000 - $10,000 per hour that he has reached. Since you doubt that explanation, maybe you could offer another explanation about how he is able to earn those profits?

It's the same explanation as if I said I conversed with an alien from outer space and presented photos

Either A:there are aliens and I saw one.

Or B: I am lying and photoshopped a picture of an alien.

In that situation you may believe me. But it's generally wiser to go with choice B.

Quote: Mission146

I also saw that reverse ratholing was mentioned as a possibility. You wouldn't even have to add it to your stack, just do it as a dealer hand in toke.

I don't think MDawg would actually try to pull a stunt like that, but listing the individual bets would be good for transparency. Even on a half hour for a shoe, that's what, twenty seconds per hand to write down the bet amount and result?

Because that possibility exists in any future wager the challenger should demand precautions be taken. I don't think it would be unreasonable for the witness to require the person who is doing the actual challenge to first remove his shoes and socks before entering said gaming room. This should also include turning inside out all four of his pants pockets. Chaperoned restroom breaks etc.

MDawg Darkoz Challenge:

Yes this is for real!

Let's cut the bull puckie.

I will post $2500 for this challenge to move forward as is all agreements between Dawg and Wiz and EV before he reneged.

Yeesh, I have a pinball machine in my house that costs triple.

Let's see if this really happens now and if it doesn't it won't be due to me reneging, I think everyone on this forum probably knows that one!

And it won't be this Bitcoin crap. I'm sending it PayPal and I have the Wizard PayPal address as he did services for my casino trial.

Just for everyone records repost the final agreed upon challenge.

Hell, I'm not even sure what we are trying to prove but I know what I am proving and that is this challenge is for real and it's gonna happen!

I bet MDawg didn't expect this!!!!

Quote: MDawg

You said you blocked EV and then you quoted him. I said before EVERYONE says they block people but hardly anyone ever does. They want to read what their haters say. It is common human curiosity.

I said "I will be returning him to BLOCKED Status" not that I had done it already. I have now blocked ExpectedValue.

Of far more interest is DarkOz's offer.

Quote: darkoz

MDawg Darkoz Challenge:

Yes this is for real!

Let's cut the bull puckie.

I will post $2500 for this challenge to move forward as is all agreements between Dawg and Wiz and EV before he reneged.

Yeesh, I have a pinball machine in my house that costs triple.

Let's see if this really happens now and if it doesn't it won't be due to me reneging, I think everyone on this forum probably knows that one!

And it won't be this Bitcoin crap. I'm sending it PayPal and I have the Wizard PayPal address as he did services for my casino trial.

Just for everyone records repost the final agreed upon challenge.

Hell, I'm not even sure what we are trying to prove but I know what I am proving and that is this challenge is for real and it's gonna happen!

I bet MDawg didn't expect this!!!!

Here is the challenge in its final form:


Wizard remains free to keep track however he likes.

Additionally, I will write up a Session Report for the session, which Wizard will corroborate. (This was UnJon's suggestion.)

At Wizard's request, I already wrote up yesterday morning a contract for this to proceed and emailed it to Wizard, which simply memorializes all these terms and adds that I will write up a session report. The contract basically just states that Wizard will keep my identity and location confidential, and not disclose the exact details of the session but that I will write up a session report which he will verify.

If this is for real, and DarkOz says it is, Let's rock n roll! Suggest sending the PayPal to Wizard "Friends and Family" to avoid fees.

Wow, so ExpectedValue fizzles, but DarkOz shines? <<I bet MDawg didn't expect this!!!!>> is an understatement.

Quote: BoSox

Because that possibility exists in any future wager the challenger should demand precautions be taken. I don't think it would be unreasonable for the witness to require the person who is doing the actual challenge to first remove his shoes and socks before entering said gaming room. This should also include turning inside out all four of his pants pockets. Chaperoned restroom breaks etc.

I tend to think writing down bet amounts and results is less invasive than a full cavity search. Why full cavity? Could get a chip under the tongue if his mouth is big enough. Adjust your mask, let the chip fall out of your mouth and into your hand.

Again, I don't think MDawg would try the old slight of hand. I'd think Wizard would report that and the whole thing would blow up on him, also, MDawg at least seems to have more integrity than that when it comes to a wager/challenge.

That all said, writing down bet amounts and results is the easiest thing to do. Make sure the bookkeeping all looks right at the end. If I was going to free roll $500 for Wizard going there, at least $1,000 just for MDawg playing (which, at one point, he said he'd let Wizard watch before money was involved) and possibly $2,000 to MDawg if it's a profitable session----I'd also want to have it recorded in writing and listed for me and publicly.

But, as I have already said, I'd have made my full terms clear in advance. While I think MDawg should have accepted a modification to the new terms, (it was +EV and he still had almost everything to gain) he was certainly under no obligation.

I would like to add a condition that if I'm the judge, both parties respect my verdict of the outcome and release all claims against me. If that is not agreeable to either party, then I suggest a search begin for another judge.

Quote: Wizard

I would like to add a condition that if I'm the judge, both parties respect my verdict of the outcome and release all claims against me. If that is not agreeable to either party, then I suggest a search begin for another judge.

Agreed on my part!

Once agreed by MDawg I will send the money.

There is no other judge I would trust so Wizards involvement is a deal breaker.

I believe MDawg has said something equivalent

Quote: darkoz

There is no other judge I would trust so Wizards involvement is a deal breaker.

Uhm, what? No judge, period?

Quote: ChumpChange

Uhm, what? No judge, period?

Jesus H. Christ. He meant, “There is no other judge I would trust so Shackleford’s lack of involvement as the one and sole judge is a deal breaker for me.”

Quote: Wizard

I would like to add a condition that if I'm the judge, both parties respect my verdict of the outcome and release all claims against me. If that is not agreeable to either party, then I suggest a search begin for another judge.

Agreed and I will add that term to the contract I emailed to you.

Quote: MDawg

Agreed and I will add that term to the contract I emailed to you.

Let the funds flow!

Is this going to be the same stupid offer where the average bet amount is not disclosed? Is it a PLAY AS YOU NORMALLY DO situation?

I find you can't calculate the average bet until the dealing is over and you have to add up all the bet amounts in the wager column and divide it by the number of hands played. Maybe the median wager can be supplied also.

Quote: darkoz

And it won't be this Bitcoin crap.

What's that supposed to mean? If you had some of that "Bitcoin crap" just a year ago you would be up 757.57%

He's not doing too badly. CYDY is back over 3 again.


And yes, I'm just buttering up ol' DarkOz, because unlike you, I don't bite the hand that's about to feed me.

For the record though, I had no idea this was coming when I posted about all the amazingly sensible posts he was making....

Quote: MDawg

He's not doing too badly. CYDY is back over 3 again.


And yes, I'm just buttering up ol' DarkOz, because unlike you, I don't bite the hand that's about to feed me.

For the record though, I had no idea this was coming when I posted about all the amazingly sensible posts he was making....

I had no.idea either.

The notion struck me this morning.

Quote: AxelWolf

What's that supposed to mean? If you had some of that "Bitcoin crap" just a year ago you would be up 757.57%

It means I am not sending "bits" of "coin" and pieces to Wizard with some button mechanism where I just retract the payment.

And anyway I don't own any Bitcoin.

Just purchased my first coins last month and it wasn't Bitcoin.

Where's the Beef?

Here's the Beef!

Quote: darkoz

Where's the Beef?

Here's the Beef!

Charge your phone. 😝

Quote: unJon

Quote: darkoz

Where's the Beef?

Here's the Beef!

Charge your phone. 😝

If I was EV that would have been my excuse.

"Soon as my phone is charged, yada yada..."

All righty! Wizard and I will arrange the meet privately, and the report will be made!

Quote: MDawg

All righty! Wizard and I will arrange the meet privately, and the report will be made!

As just a suggestion because there have been so many demands.

I think it wise to make public the amount of the win or lose.

This could be very beneficial to MDawg for example the Wizard saying "I observed MDawg win $10,000 at Baccarat.

It's also important (imo) to know if MDawg won by something marginal like $100 ahead.

The same is true for a reported loss.

Again it's a suggestion and I will defer to how the Wizard and MDawg decide makes sense.

I do feel it will be anti-climactic for the Wizard to just say "MDawg won! Handed over money!"

Wizard will make a bare bones report as to the terms of the wager being met and all that, however my session report which he will corroborate will be at least as detailed as the ones I have been posting, so yes it will include the specific end result which if it goes according to plan will be a +.

Thanks.

Quote: MDawg

Wizard will make a bare bones report as to the terms of the wager being met and all that, however my session report which he will corroborate will be at least as detailed as the ones I have been posting, so yes it will include the specific end result which if it goes according to plan will be a +.

Thanks.

Okay that will be sufficient.

Obviously the Wizard will corroborate

(Just wanted to try out the new insert pic feature.)

The PICTURE insert function works..........

I confirm receipt of $2,500 by Paypal. I guess there is nothing left to stand in the way of the challenge than to actually do it. I'll confer with Mdawg privately on the details.

Is there a limit to how many pictures we can post per week ? Just checkin'.....

New shoe...who dis?

Day 22 play

Yesterday was beyond hectic and the action went on for about eight hours more or less straight.

I played - I believe it was 3 shoes. First shoe I dumped about five grand quickly. Then I rallied and held my own for the next two shoes. A poker player on break from a tournament sat down with me and was betting erratically. I lost the entire 8K of my first marker and pulled another 20K. I was actually right about at even and put 1500 on Bank which the other player put his measly two hundred (his usual bet) on Player, and this influenced me to pull my bet. Banker won 2 to 1 on that hand. The guy left and I ended up losing. If I had won that 1500 hand the next hand was also Bank and I would have pressed to 2000, and the whole session might have gone another way, but instead, I lost that 20K marker, pulled another 20K marker and was betting heavily, including a 10,600 hand case bet I won, and lots of huge bets I lost.

I started the third shoe with about twenty thousand in front me and ended dumping all of that too. That was near my limit for what I'm willing to lose in one session, so I quit, about -48,000 for that session (less, since I had some chips on the table that I scooped up to take with me).

I then walked, and it was not a short walk, to another resort. I was thinking that I was going to pull a massive amount and play hard from the getgo, but when I got there I ran into the pit bosses who know me as a cool reserved amiable player and I didn't want to show my currently a bit agitated colors, so I just pulled 8K.

I arrived mid shoe and the Player was running, and no one else at the table was betting (there were no empty tables, for some reason yesterday was Baccarat day casinos were crowded with Bacc players), and the dealer kept free handing Player after Player until the pit boss said, "What are you doing?" to the dealer, knowing that I wouldn't let a streak go and I wanted to bet.

I put 500 on Player, won, 1500 on Player, won, 4500, won. Pit boss didn't even notice the bet until heard me yelling and said, "Wow. Well I would have yelled over winning 4500 too." I honestly then wanted to put 13500 on the next hand for Player, but I chickened out and just left 4500 on there. Player went only two more times so I ended up ahead 6500 for that sequence.

From there, for a long time, I kept getting stuck at about +5000 but eventually managed to get to +15000 for this session.

There were two other players at the table. One, and he was there with a friend, would bet only 100 or 200, and marched to own drummer. This player bet against us at times. This player even apologize about, hey, I'm not here to break the table karma, but if I see something and that it's not going past two, then I'm going to bet it. This player was actually right much of the time, but I didn't notice getting anywhere. Flat betting over the long term just doesn't work.

The other two players were together too. One would always bet the same amount - 3300. I asked what this was about and the player explained that it was a lucky number for Asians as it had something to do with 9. (Or, maybe was betting 3600 😆, I don't know, I wasn't watching that closely.) All this made me think was that there was no way this player could win because was also flat betting, albeit larger. This player's friend would jump in occasionally with $500 bets but near the end of their session was betting more a lot more, probably out of desperation. I saw them pull several 20K markers and then a 100K marker, and when they left the 100K was colored up and they walked with it, but not much more so they must have dumped some -60K or so between the two of them. I saw them toss some kind of player card I had never seen before of a color I had never seen before at this casino.

One issue that occasionally recurred with at least one of the pit bosses is that I was being told to calm down when I was winning and not be so loud, and not throw the cards on the table. I literally threw some of the winning cards off the table a couple of times because I got so excited on the more difficult draws. I'd declare, "That's a winning 4! even off the table."

I didn't have much experience with this pit boss who was making the most noise over my noise. I soundly ignored the pit boss and just told the pit boss that this is the way I play and I've always played this way. One pit boss told me that if I hit the dealer with the cards wouldn't let me open any longer. Again I mentioned that I never throw the cards when I lose a hand, I just fling them when I am happy. They also kept reminding to stay seated because occasionally I would throw the cards down from over the top of the plexiglass when I had a natural 9.

The prior crew, earlier in the day, all know me and don't care what I do, and in fact have commented more than once what a pleasure it is to have a positive, excited player at the table. Actually, I might just walk back to that resort and have an EYEBALL with whoever is in charge and lodge a complaint. Yesterday even the Asians at the table were getting excited and banging on the plexiglass when they won, and if the pit bosses can't handle that, they should just find another job.

After I got up fifteen grand at the end of the fourth shoe I think it was, I plunked 5000 on Bank and lost. Then I plunked 10000 on Bank and lost again - Player started with 1 and dealer actually pulled a 7 on top of the 1 and I couldn't draw anything more than a face card to try to increase my initial 6. Then at the beginning of the next shoe I lost 2000 to go from +15000 to -2000. That was the low point when I started to think that I might as well just accept the loss at the other casino and leave.

Then, things started turning for me, greatly. I got multiple runs which I pressed into, followed a chop perfectly, and went through a long period when I was winning something like 80% of my hands. During that period though I was betting only 500. When the main dealer came back and saw the stack of 500s asked why I had them. I explained that the entire stack had started with just one 500 chip. Dealer shook head and said, I would not have given you those small chips, 1000s only, I know you're hot tonight. Dealer was right, I would have won twice as much during that winning streak with the higher denomination chip.

What's amazing is that while I was knocking it out of the park the big two players were just sitting there watching. They didn't play into runs, they didn't follow streaks, they just bet very occasionally, and as far as the larger bettor of the two, always that same 3300 (or 3600) amount. Probably why they dumped sixty grand.

At the end of the sixth shoe, I was up over +38000 and quit. The time factor was starting to wear on me. I wanted to get another ten grand but just couldn't do it all in one go and didn't want to dump again. Given that I started with just an 8K marker, winning over 38 grand in one session is not bad at all. The dealer too commented that wasn't aware that I had pulled only an 8000 and that winning over 38K off that small amount was very good.

What's interesting is that I tipped very little during this big run session. I did lay some quarters out there, and a fifty once, and some reds early on, but somehow lost most of the green side bets for the dealer. I suppose I didn't view it as winning since I was actually in the hole for the day from the other resort, so I wasn't tipping much.

So that was it approximately -48000 at one resort, approximately +38000 at the other, approximately -10000 for the day. To pay the other resort I didn't want to deal with the cash and the CTR so I asked them to phone the other resort in advance and tell them I'm coming with the 38000 in their chips. Of course, the resort I won at temp closed my line, but so what, I don't need them right now and the line will reopen in a few days.

In the meantime, I am going to talk to my host to kick in my session loss rebate deal I have in place. I will actually ask for it this time. I won't get into details but I've always had that just rarely have to pull that card. Only problem I foresee is that I already paid off the line with a combination of foreign and their own chips. I should have left the amount I expect back unpaid, or paid off nothing and demanded the rebate before I paid. But, I have a hard time leaving a debt open when I have won.

After these two monster sessions I was monstrously hungry. I had to go up to the suite to get enough chips to use to pay off the line combined with the foreign chips and what I had left at the table, and since I had to go back down I did a take out. There was a long line for take out orders and while waiting this guy kept looking at me and finally said, smiling broadly, "You know who you look like - and you might be that guy - is ________." I just laughed and said that yes, I get that all the time. Actually, I had no idea whom he was talking about. I just went with it, being the amiable MDawg that I am. While waiting for the take out order to fill I texted my wife and asked who _____ was. She wrote back and said he is some young celebrity who has his own show. So now I am wondering if the couple in the elevator a couple of weeks ago were thinking the same thing, when the guy said that to be on the floor I am on, this guy must have his own TV show.

There are a half dozen friends back home I copy/paste a summary of my play to each day, sort of like my private Twitter feed for insiders only, and one of them, this Marilyn Monroe type blonde with the big boobs (friend only, never dated her) wrote back, "Hmmm i could see some similarities. You're way hotter than him tho."

Although I lost I didn't view it as a loss. Still way ahead for the trip, and dumping ten grand is nothing compared to dumping almost fifty. I was ravenously hungry and brought a rib eye steak (medium rare of course), grilled salmon, all sorts of sides, a Caesar salad and multiple non-alcoholic tropical health drinks and smoothies up to the suite. She had already eaten but ate some of the food with me. I am sipping on one of the left over from yesterday tropical drinks right now.

I really do view yesterday as a victory and once I get my loss rebate yesterday's loss won't be much, considering, anyway. I am never hungry if I lose, and I was very hungry yesterday after those sessions.

Quote: MDawg

I really do view yesterday as a victory and once I get my loss rebate yesterday's loss won't be much, considering, anyway.

So that means your loss rebate must be about 20% of your session loss.

So you have a roughly 20% single session loss rebate deal on baccarat at a major strip casino and the casino has no issue awarding it on a single losing day after 21 consecutive winning days.

Well that's a lie.

Quote: sabre

So that means your loss rebate must be about 20% of your session loss.

So you have a roughly 20% single session loss rebate deal on baccarat at a major strip casino and the casino has no issue awarding it on a single losing day after 21 consecutive winning days.

Well that's a lie.

If Sabre gets Suspended for this post, I request that the sentence be cut in half and half of it applied to me. He's not calling it a heart, diamond or club here.

Quote: sabre

So that means your loss rebate must be about 20% of your session loss.

So you have a roughly 20% single session loss rebate deal on baccarat at a major strip casino and the casino has no issue awarding it on a single losing day after 21 consecutive winning days.

Well that's a lie.

I’m confused. To award the loss rebate on a ‘session’, there must be a definition as to what a ‘session’ is. Can the player define a ‘session’ as a ‘single seating’? Can you play, be down $10k, collect your ‘session’ loss rebate, go have sex with your wife and return to start a new ‘session’?

If so, wife and I are on our way to Vegas!

Quote: SOOPOO

I’m confused. To award the loss rebate on a ‘session’, there must be a definition as to what a ‘session’ is. Can the player define a ‘session’ as a ‘single seating’? Can you play, be down $10k, collect your ‘session’ loss rebate, go have sex with your wife and return to start a new ‘session’?

If so, wife and I are on our way to Vegas!

Quote: MDawg

That was near my limit for what I'm willing to lose in one session, so I quit, about -48,000 for that session (less, since I had some chips on the table that I scooped up to take with me).

At the end of the sixth shoe, I was up over +38000 and quit. The time factor was starting to wear on me. I wanted to get another ten grand but just couldn't do it all in one go and didn't want to dump again. Given that I started with just an 8K marker, winning over 38 grand in one session is not bad at all. The dealer too commented that wasn't aware that I had pulled only an 8000 and that winning over 38K off that small amount was very good.
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So that was it approximately -48000 at one resort, approximately +38000 at the other, approximately -10000 for the day. To pay the other resort I didn't want to deal with the cash and the CTR so I asked them to phone the other resort in advance and tell them I'm coming with the 38000 in their chips. Of course, the resort I won at temp closed my line, but so what, I don't need them right now and the line will reopen in a few days.

I figured he'd want the loss rebate on the 48k losing session.
Incidentally, was it 38k of chips he left the winning table with? Or did he have to pay off that 8k marker? Or did he pay off the marker out of his 46k ( that he magicked back from either 6000 or 500 depending on how you read it) to walk away with 38k?



I get easily confused.
$;o)

1) I left that table with over 38K in winning chips, after paying off the marker. No casino would allow its chips to be cashed or applied against payment elsewhere if any markers were owing.

2) What people are debating over is already handled.

3) I need to get to the gym.

4) I need to see about replacing a tiny 18K gold screw that fell out of the clasp of one of my watches. Luckily the whole clasp didn't come apart while wearing it but the screw wasn't in its carrying watch case, or in the hotel safety deposit boxes. Besides that this tiny tiny little screw is probably going to cost a few hundred dollars, I doubt it will become available while we are here so that's one watch I can't wear now.

5) I need to get over to the other casino and raise some Cain over that at least one pit boss was asking me to quiet down while playing.

6) I need to get into town and get some things for the suite.

I saw the report of a losing session happening if a meetup was set in stone. I just thought the meet up would be sooner. The recipient of that PM has my permission to confirm it was sent on 4/3 and said that MDawg would report a losing session within a week.

Quote: sabre

So that means your loss rebate must be about 20% of your session loss.

So you have a roughly 20% single session loss rebate deal on baccarat at a major strip casino and the casino has no issue awarding it on a single losing day after 21 consecutive winning days.

Well that's a lie.

Quote: Mission146

If Sabre gets Suspended for this post, I request that the sentence be cut in half and half of it applied to me. He's not calling it a heart, diamond or club here.

I don't recall cutting sentences in half as being due process. So BOTH will serve the full term.
But what shall that term be? How many others will step forth in support, asking to join them?
Well. I would.

So .... First offence for Sabre, this year and first for Mission in living memory.....

Is this an offence by Sabre, who attacked the post, but very much attacked Mdawg by implication. I can't overlook that. Sorry Sabre. Sorry Mission.

Is this an offence by Mission? By very strong implication, he is also calling the 'lie'... So, yes, I'll penalise Mission equally.

Taking account of their recent good standing, ...
1 Day.

I may well get over-ruled. In which case I apologise now.

Quote: sabre

Well that's a lie.

You may believe whatever you wish, but calling someone a liar runs afoul of the rule against personal insults. Please talk nicely.

Quote: OnceDear

Taking account of their recent good standing, ...
1 Day.

I may well get over-ruled. In which case I apologise now.

Looks Like Wizard over-ruled me by imposing his request to Sabre.

No suspension imposed this time. GOOD!

Quote: OnceDear

Looks Like Wizard over-ruled me by imposing his request to Sabre.

No suspension imposed this time. GOOD!

I didn't mean to overrule you. I was advised of the post and took action before seeing your response to it. You may go back to the the previous sentences if you wish.

Did an impostor log in as Mdawg and report a losing session? It couldn't have been him right?

Quote: Wizard

I didn't mean to overrule you. I was advised of the post and took action before seeing your response to it. You may go back to the the previous sentences if you wish.

You took action : Warning Sabre. Before I took action of suspending. Taking account of your near simultaneous expression of opinion. I think we are done here.
I do NOT wish.

Quote: Johnzimbo

Did an impostor log in as Mdawg and report a losing session? It couldn't have been him right?

Watch this space.... I'll send you a PM to hold on to.

I feel a strange obligation to make a ton of posts in the next 24 hours. Quite frankly, I thought we'd be splitting two weeks. Thanks for the leniency!