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March 21st, 2021 at 7:49:08 PM permalink
For those thinking we are being too hard on Mdawg, I have compiled a little summary of this current trip. Let's see if you can find the common theme? wining, winning, winning and then more winning. Like this is the way gambling works! :/ And This is just this current trip. Imagine if I went back to past trips, also amazingly...all winning trips.

Quote: MDawg

As far as BACCARAT, MDawg played quickly and won today.


Quote: MDawg

and...I won! Just under 10K in one shoe not even betting much at all.


Quote: MDawg

After winning I took a victory stroll on the Strip and tipped Elvis a dollar for luck.


Quote: MDawg

Four shoes - more complete details posted at TruePassage but the summary being: Ended 7700 ahead


Quote: MDawg

Day Three play... ...So I walked - 10,400 ahead for the day, making the three day tally about +30K now! It's ALLL good.


Quote: MDawg

Anyway, here is the NEW winner's envelope, and pouch. In the side zipper there are 23000 in chips, plus the cash you see.


Quote: MDawg

...considering that my actual win is +30K.


Quote: MDawg

But the other voice says - MDawg has won consistently, why would it stop now?


Quote: MDawg

yesterday's win, while larger than the wins of the other two days....


Quote: MDawg

After the second run up I stopped at the end of shoe four for the day, and walked with the 10.4


Quote: MDawg

...which brought me back to +2000. Anyway, I was fine with plus two grand by the end. A win is a win. Just toss it in the winner's envelope.


Quote: MDawg

Day Six play. Still, +10950 to the good, which brings me to just a hair under +44K total


Quote: MDawg

Just returned from a victory stroll on the Strip.

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March 21st, 2021 at 8:01:36 PM permalink
This one goes out to Kewlj


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pipTwjwrQYQ
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March 21st, 2021 at 8:14:11 PM permalink
This must be what the African Americans call, "Hiding in the Cut" because each time I have Victory Strolled the Strip - and when I do I don't mess around I walk the ENTIRE length of the Strip up and down both sides (been known to walk from Venetian to Mandalay Bay and back when I'm in the mood) - there has been something lying in wait at these exact spots.

Once undercovs,


another time out in the open.

I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
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March 21st, 2021 at 8:33:59 PM permalink
I play one session a day. That's it. I win, I leave, until the next day. After I win, I might go out on the Strip, might do some shopping, might just go up to the room and hang with the wife. Granted, it's easier and more comfortable hanging in the room when it's a huge suite, but there is no little voice in me telling me that I need to get back down to the tables and play. Even if my friend who is staying near us this trip wants to play at night or whatever, I don't accompany him. Once I am done with my session I don't spend further time or energy in the casino that day.

UNlike almost all the rest of these players, who just can't stay away, and keep playing until they lose. That girl I met over a year ago in Vegas who tried to hang on to me, was like that, she just - couldn't - stay away from the tables. The one time I helped her win 12K she just had to go back first thing the next morning without me and start dumping it back.
I used to have a bit of that desire to play constantly in me - probably why I had such up and down trips in the distant past. I'd play in the morning. I'd play in the afternoon. I'd play after dinner. I'd play all night. Looking back, my biggest winning trips from the past, and all of my trips these past few years, have been limited sessions, winning, banking, leaving to do something else.

As the Wizard and Teliot have stated, something like 97% of Vegas players are ahead at some point during their trips.

Don't be a Franklin!
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
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March 21st, 2021 at 8:45:32 PM permalink
The other rule I follow (which I have the luxury of following), is leaving these trips open ended. I am in no hurry to win on a day to day basis because there is no set deadline for this trip. We go back when we feel like it. The house is secure and maintained by people we trust. Here in Vegas, they are comp'ing us 100%, I'm winning, and I am able to conduct my businesses remotely, so why be in any hurry to leave?
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March 21st, 2021 at 8:47:53 PM permalink
I see. So 'stop limits' are the key to winning. Stop limits can over come -EV.

That is complete gambling voodoo, disprove decades, even centuries ago. Why do "these guys" always want to re-invent the wheel... In this case a broken wheel?
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March 21st, 2021 at 9:05:38 PM permalink
All right it's time to finish off some of the seafood we got earlier


engage in that 2X daily minimum, activity, and relax until...tomorrow. Au revoir.
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March 21st, 2021 at 9:19:32 PM permalink
The absolute best thread on this forum!

Thanks goes out to MDawg.
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March 21st, 2021 at 9:24:35 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I see. So 'stop limits' are the key to winning. Stop limits can over come -EV.



None of that crap works, it's nonsense. You
either have a game beat or you don't.
Whistles and bells rules like stop limits are
meaningless. It's right up there with something
is 'due', another gambler's fallacy.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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March 22nd, 2021 at 1:25:11 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I see. So 'stop limits' are the key to winning. Stop limits can over come -EV.

That is complete gambling voodoo, disprove decades, even centuries ago. Why do "these guys" always want to re-invent the wheel... In this case a broken wheel?




you're talking about wannabee long term winners looking for easy money - not willing to learn and do the hard work necessary to become an AP

their mantra is always the same - one or more of these or some combination of these:


stop loss
stop win
some version of the martingale
betting with or against streaks
betting based on imaginary patterns they falsely believe they will surely repeat or going against them believing they can't possibly repeat
betting based on intuition


that's all they've got - nothing else

if it was that easy to be a long run winner the casinos would be bankrupt in a very short time




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March 22nd, 2021 at 2:21:33 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

The absolute best thread on this forum!

Thanks goes out to MDawg.




I wonder what is rarer to find today in Nevada

1 A long-term successful winning Baccarat Player?

2 A highly qualified security personnel for hire?

3 A White Buffalo?
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Quote: kewlj

If this guy and his claims were real, he would have serious narcistic problems, seeking approval and admiration from strangers on numerous different forums. And if he is phony as most of us believe, you can multiply that by 10. Either way this guy has issues. :/



Personal insult. Five days.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 4:25:07 AM permalink
Give us an update please MDawg. Hope it was a profitable night waiting for the details. Thanks for sharing with us all.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 4:34:12 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Give us an update please MDawg. Hope it was a profitable night waiting for the details. Thanks for sharing with us all.



Had dinner with the missus. Salisbury steak, caviar which my host graciously served chilled while complimenting me on how much I was bankrupting,... Er, sorry bankrolling his casino.

After dinner hit the Bacc tables. Pretty Asian woman sat down so sent wifey to her room while I planned shenanigans but this Asian lady also wanted to copy my style of winning so I politely told her to leave. She copied my style and lost while I still won.

I won and won and won. In fact when I went to the Chinese restaurant after I won the only order I got was complimentary won tons.

But I am tired now. As a past leader said (don't want to get political here), you win too much, you get tired of winning.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 4:38:04 AM permalink
I'm wondering where the savoy truffles came from. Such rich chocolate makes my teeth loose.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 4:56:02 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Had dinner with the missus. Salisbury steak, caviar which my host graciously served chilled while complimenting me on how much I was bankrupting,... Er, sorry bankrolling his casino.

After dinner hit the Bacc tables. Pretty Asian woman sat down so sent wifey to her room while I planned shenanigans but this Asian lady also wanted to copy my style of winning so I politely told her to leave. She copied my style and lost while I still won.

I won and won and won. In fact when I went to the Chinese restaurant after I won the only order I got was complimentary won tons.

But I am tired now. As a past leader said (don't want to get political here), you win too much, you get tired of winning.



Total personal insult IMO.

Maybe someone should report.

Thanks.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 5:03:51 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Total personal insult IMO.

Maybe someone should report.

Thanks.



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March 22nd, 2021 at 5:24:15 AM permalink
I'm going to do a little experiment:

Game: Baccarat
Base Bet: $100 (Because WoO bankroll is only $10,000)

So, using the WizardofOdds game, I'm going to look for streaks in Baccarat or, "Choppy patterns," with my goal being to win no fewer than two base bets per, "Session." I can bet as much as I wish, but cannot go below one base bet, unless I feel like betting on tie (which I probably won't) I cannot use the stats to determine when a particular house edge has improved on one side or the other.

This will consist of ten sessions which I can end anytime I want as long as I am two, or more, base bets ahead. To end a session, I refresh the page.

Session 1:

Four consecutive ties that I didn't bet into, looks like the MDawg pattern is otherwise going B-P-B and next is player, so let's try it for $200:

Lose: $200

Okay, so I guess Banker is looking good now for an MDawg streak. Let's give that a try for $500 to cover the commission and finish the session:

Banker Wins on $500 bet.

Session: +$275, session ended.

Session 2:

Two Bankers right off the bat, so we're going to go $225 on Banker to try to end this quickly.

Lose: $225

Okay, now's it's gone P-B-P-P, so we're going to say Player should be favored. Let's go $425 and try to end this.

Lose $425

That's not ideal. Maybe it's choppy. Let's go $850 on Player.

Player wins on $850 bet.

Session: +$200, session ended.

Session 3:

T-B-B-P-B-P

Looks like a choppy one, so let's go $225 on Banker here.

Banker wins on $225 bet.

Session: +$213.75, session ended.

Session 4

This session starts out B-B-B, so we're going to get a little risky and go $450 into Banker.

Banker wins bet of $450, session is +$427.50

I'm going to deviate from MDawg in that I am not going to press into it and risk a losing session, so I'm going to go $225 that the banker streak continues.

Banker wins $225 bet, session is +$641.25.

Okay, I'm going to press into this streak for $350 this time.

Banker loses $350 bet after a tie, session is +$291.25.

Session: +$291.25, session ended.

Session 5

B-T-B-P-P-P, so it looks like we have a Player streak. I'll bet into it at $400.

Player bet loses $400.

Two bankers in a row, so let's try that for $800

Banker wins $800 bet, session is +$360. Let's peel off $150 of our win and try it.

Banker bet loses $150.

Session is +$210, session ended.

Session 6

We've got two players in a row including one with zero, that has to be good. I'm going $300.

Player bet wins $300, session is +$300. I'll try player for $100 here.

Player bet of $100 loses.

Session is +$200, session ended.

Session 7

B-P-B-P, so we're going to have to go Banker for...let's do $350.

Banker wins $350 bet, session is +$332.50.

Have to preserve the session win, so let's go $125 on Player to continue the choppy-chop.

Player bet wins $125, session is $457.50. Okay, so we need to keep with the streak and we will go back to Banker for...hmm...$200 sounds good.

Banker bet loses $200.

Session is +$257.50, session ended.

Session 8

B-P-P-B-B, this is clearly a double-double choppy chop Moo Goo Gai Pan pattern. Classic. We have to go Player for $400 here.

Player bet wins $400.

It's got to be Player again, so let's go $200.

Player bet loses $200.

Session is +$200, session ended.

Session 9

B-T-B-B, this is the classic Banker/Tie stir-fry Lunch Combo pattern. I think what we're going to have to do here is throw $300 on Banker and $50 on the tie.

Banker wins, Tie loses.

Session is +$235, session ends.

Session 10

B-P-B-P, this is obvious. Have to go Banker for $400 here. Strong early pattern.

Banker bet wins, session @ +$380.

Back to Player for a $175 bet.

Player $175 bet wins, session @ +$555. We're going back to Banker for...$250 sounds good.

Banker bet loses $250.

Session is +$305, session ended.

RESULTS

Winning Sessions: 10
Losing Sessions: 0

Profit: $2,387.50.

So, multiply that by whatever amount more MDawg is betting and there you go...ten winning sessions consecutively.

The point that I'm making is the only absolute position is that Baccarat is a negative expectation game that, unless someone is doing some sort of AP tactic (or the comps make up for it...loss rebates...etc) that the player is expected to lose. With that said, the act of winning several sessions in a row...while some may think is not plausible...is not absolute proof that someone is lying. For someone with a deep bankroll and only the goal of winning a session, Baccarat is a fairly easy game in which to produce a winning session.

For those who have some sort of trend following system, the winning of sessions then leads to Confirmation Bias that the following of trends is actually working. After all, if you're winning and don't care much about the underlying math...why wouldn't you think it's working?

I've also decided to omit the fact that I originally planned to do this for fifteen sessions, but then Session 11 was a total disaster and I've put it out of my mind. With enough work, and perhaps some therapy, I should be able to fully convince myself that particular session never happened. (This is just to be silly and is not directed at MDawg or anyone else)
Last edited by: Mission146 on Mar 22, 2021
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March 22nd, 2021 at 5:25:40 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Total personal insult IMO.

Maybe someone should report.

Thanks.



Where's the insult? Looked like satire to me.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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March 22nd, 2021 at 5:42:15 AM permalink
I should also make it clear that the names that I gave the, "Patterns," are also just meant to be silly and are not meant to offend anyone or make any cultural/racial statements.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 6:04:01 AM permalink
My win goals are to win 20 hands ahead.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 7:05:00 AM permalink
I never consider two different shoes the same session, except for when I do, so that's what we're doing here.

Session 11

Session 11 started down 10k, but now the WoO game is $100,000, so I'm just multiplying the WoO bankroll by ten.

B-B-P-B-B

This is a clear indicator of a Queen We Will Rock You pattern. Bum-Bum-Pah, Bum-Bum...so it has to be player. I'd say tie, but that would totally kill the beat.

Player for $2,000 ($20,000)

Player Wins.

Bankroll stands at $12,000 on WoO game, which is actually $120,000 because I had to change the units, so we are $10000 ahead for the session.

It should be Banker-Banker now, and we have some wiggle room to play. I like this streak, so I'm going $500 (which is $5,000) on Banker.

Well, I thought I was going to rock them, but I got rocked on that bet. It's okay.

Session +$5,000, session ends.

Session 12

Okay, so we're back to the WoO numbers being a bankroll of $10,000 to start.

We've got three Banker wins in a row to start, so that clearly establishes that we should go with the streak for $500. Of course, this might be choppy, so I'm going to bet $200 on Player to be safe and also $50 on tie.

Banker Loses $500, Tie Loses $50, Player wins $200. Session @ -$350.

B-B-B-P...let's wait a few hands...B-B

Five of six are Banker, so the Player win was clearly a false flag and has nothing to do with the random nature of the game. We're going $800 on Banker.

After a tie, Banker bet wins and the Session is at $410. Let's go $200 on Banker.

Player wins.

Session +$210, session ends.

Session 13

P-B-B-B...you can't NOT do this, $400 on Banker to continue.

Player wins, Session -$400.

P-B-B-B-P...let's wait a few hands. P-P

This is the Triple Action chop Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich pattern. Let's add a few bananas with $1000 on Banker.

Banker wins! Session is +$550, so we're going $250 because we need two more banana slices on our sandwich.

Banker wins! What an exciting time we're having here. We're at +$787.50 for the session, so I think we're going to go Banker again for $380.

Banker bet loses $380.

Session is at $407.50, so after throwing $100 to the dealer who is my best friend in the world and keeps trying to hook me up with his hot Asian sister, I'm still ahead $307.50 for the session and walking.

Session 14

P-P-P...including a Player win with 0 followed by a player win with 8. Flip them around and add a zero, as one does, and we must bet $800 on Player.

Player wins and session is +$800. Let's go $450 on Player.

Player bet loses $450.

Session is +$350, session ends.

Session 15

P-B-P-B

So obvious, $400 on Player.

Player loses $400. P-B-P-B-B...let's sit out a few...T-B-B...clear Banker trend for $1,000

Banker wins, session @ +$550.

I never bet ties, except for when I bet ties and this clear Tom Brady pattern can't be ignored. We must bet $120 on Banker and $12 on Tie.

I can't bet $12 on tie...I guess we'll just go 20.

Player wins, session is still +$410.

Let's sit out a few hands...P-B-P-B-P-B-P-B-B-T-B-B-B-P-B-B

Um...I'm thinking $110 on Banker.

Banker bet loses $110.

Session +$300, session ends.

RESULTS

Winning Sessions: 15 (Hey, 'Session,' is arbitrary. I can call a session anything I want.)

Losing Sessions: 0

Result: +$8,655

I'm obviously one of the best Baccarat players to ever live. Please shoot me a PM* and we can do a Zoom meeting and I will teach you my winning Baccarat strategy free of charge.

*Don't actually shoot me a PM for this, it's a joke.

**I also bet Player, Banker and Tie all on the same hand just to be ridiculous. I still won that session, though, so clearly that's something that you need to do to mix it up a little and keep the casino guessing.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 7:24:05 AM permalink
Mission, I didn't follow your play closely or even at all, just looked at the results. Looks like you won every session? The key is to walk with the money. In any case, we've been in Vegas for a week or so fully comp'ed and I am +44K to the good. As that Ginsberg poem goes, I woke up last night with a headache self-conscious looking at the full moon (actually not quite a full moon yet, but close) and didn't see any problem at all with this activity.

I actually forgot to pull the handle of my little slot machine in the suite to "test my luck" but I still won over ten grand yesterday, which gets back to my point about superstition being "just for fun."

I am further ahead at the one week mark than I was last trip where went home with about 75K.

Gotta get to the gym, eat and back to the tables for a session.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 8:16:56 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Mission, I didn't follow your play closely or even at all, just looked at the results. Looks like you won every session? The key is to walk with the money. In any case, we've been in Vegas for a week or so fully comp'ed and I am +44K to the good. As that Ginsberg poem goes, I woke up last night with a headache self-conscious looking at the full moon (actually not quite a full moon yet, but close) and didn't see any problem at all with this activity.

I actually forgot to pull the handle of my little slot machine in the suite to "test my luck" but I still won over ten grand yesterday, which gets back to my point about superstition being "just for fun."

I am further ahead at the one week mark than I was last trip where went home with about 75K.

Gotta get to the gym, eat and back to the tables for a session.



Please stop responding to the detractors and the people just attempting to cause drama and issue personal insults. As I said in an earlier post you skipped I'm looking for more detail as many people are also. Here's what I asked you before the insulters and the people attempting drama made a bunch of posts.

"Give us an update please MDawg. Hope it was a profitable night waiting for the details. Thanks for sharing with us all."

Thanks and good luck!
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March 22nd, 2021 at 8:23:51 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Don't actually shoot me a PM for this, it's a joke.


I didn't read the entire thread either, just the "Session Ends" lines.

Just to be clear, is the entire demonstration a truthful log of the experiment, or is it a joke...fiction...a parody?
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March 22nd, 2021 at 8:33:42 AM permalink
As mentioned, I didn't read Mission's posts closely. If he means that he played and won, good. If he was just trolling and trying to create mischief, he should be ignored as all the other detractors have been ignored.

I'm playing with real money here and if anyone cannot appreciate that, and is posting nonsense by way of parody, that person isn't fit to lick the underside of my boots.

Details - yes, I'll post as things happen. Sadly, I can't post pictures because there are apparently too many busybodies with too much time on their hands out there who want to track MDawg down. As a security person you could understand. But if anyone did show up to cause mischief the combination of hotel security and my Gigantor friend would deal with it handily.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 8:38:02 AM permalink
This thread is a James Swain plot
But
James Swain is so much better then the fiction here
Swain sells his well written fiction
Mdawg gives away poorly written fiction
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March 22nd, 2021 at 8:43:40 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

I didn't read the entire thread either, just the "Session Ends" lines.

Just to be clear, is the entire demonstration a truthful log of the experiment, or is it a joke...fiction...a parody?



You don’t know Mission if you had to ask that question. He ran an experiment on the WoO site and tracked his results.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 8:49:42 AM permalink
If so, as I said - "good." So he won every Baccarat shoe fifteen in a row, I gather. To me that would translate to anywhere from four to ten sessions, as sometimes I'll play just one shoe, sometimes four or so.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 9:01:28 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

You don’t know Mission if you had to ask that question.



I don't know Mission, and your answer notwithstanding...I'm still asking.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 9:04:41 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

I don't know Mission, and your answer notwithstanding...I'm still asking.



He answered already.

Quote: Mission146

I'm going to do a little experiment:

Game: Baccarat
Base Bet: $100 (Because WoO bankroll is only $10,000)

So, using the WizardofOdds game, I'm going to look for streaks in Baccarat or, "Choppy patterns," with my goal being to win no fewer than two base bets per, "Session." I can bet as much as I wish, but cannot go below one base bet, unless I feel like betting on tie (which I probably won't) I cannot use the stats to determine when a particular house edge has improved on one side or the other.

This will consist of ten sessions which I can end anytime I want as long as I am two, or more, base bets ahead. To end a session, I refresh the page.

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March 22nd, 2021 at 9:05:29 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

I don't know Mission, and your answer notwithstanding...I'm still asking.



Why are you asking questions when you dodged mine about the $500k bet and why you need a middleman to cover their losses rather than accept it yourself?
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March 22nd, 2021 at 9:14:30 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Please stop responding to the detractors and the people just attempting to cause drama and issue personal insults. As I said in an earlier post you skipped I'm looking for more detail as many people are also. Here's what I asked you before the insulters and the people attempting drama made a bunch of posts.

"Give us an update please MDawg. Hope it was a profitable night waiting for the details. Thanks for sharing with us all."

Thanks and good luck!



Excuse me? The point I was making is that it's possible that two things can simultaneously be true:

1. Betting systems don't do anything.

AND:

2. A person can still have several winning sessions.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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March 22nd, 2021 at 9:15:10 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

I didn't read the entire thread either, just the "Session Ends" lines.

Just to be clear, is the entire demonstration a truthful log of the experiment, or is it a joke...fiction...a parody?



Yes to all of those things. It's a fiction in the sense that it was the WoO game, so no actual money was bet.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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March 22nd, 2021 at 9:16:34 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

As mentioned, I didn't read Mission's posts closely. If he means that he played and won, good. If he was just trolling and trying to create mischief, he should be ignored as all the other detractors have been ignored.

I'm playing with real money here and if anyone cannot appreciate that, and is posting nonsense by way of parody, that person isn't fit to lick the underside of my boots.

Details - yes, I'll post as things happen. Sadly, I can't post pictures because there are apparently too many busybodies with too much time on their hands out there who want to track MDawg down. As a security person you could understand. But if anyone did show up to cause mischief the combination of hotel security and my Gigantor friend would deal with it handily.



Well, in order for people to understand the point of my posts, I do have to suggest reading them.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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March 22nd, 2021 at 10:26:39 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Why are you asking questions when you dodged mine



How is this about you? I asked Mission the question. The reason why is for information purposes.

I don't recall your question, and don't understand what then middleman issue could be.

Can you provide a link to the page?
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March 22nd, 2021 at 10:30:37 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

A person can still have several winning sessions.



If playing without a mathematical advantage, how many consecutive winning sessions can a person have?
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March 22nd, 2021 at 10:48:20 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

If playing without a mathematical advantage, how many consecutive winning sessions can a person have?



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March 22nd, 2021 at 11:04:34 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

If playing without a mathematical advantage, how many consecutive winning sessions can a person have?

How long is a piece of string. If one went to a $5 table with a session bankroll of $5, every day, he might have one or very few consecutive winning sessions where he walked out with $10 for a $5 profit each day. We might reasonably expect him to have a losing session within a week. We might find it extremely unlikely that he had no losing sessions in a month.
But if he went in each day with a $100,000 session bankroll and walked out as soon as he had a $5 profit, then we might very reasonably expect him to have zero losing sessions for the entire year, or indeed more. If he won 365 consecutive sessions, that would net him $1825 profit, or 1.85% of his bankroll at risk. His probability of success would be of the order of 100,000/101,825 = 98%

This, in essence is what Mission demonstrated. Take a large enough bankroll to the table, day in, day out, with the objective of a modest session win, and maybe, but not necessarily, throw in some progressive wagering (case bets?) and you can look forward to reporting success every day. If you fail. Just don't report that.

I do this exercise for real and for amusement from time to time in my online gambling. Here's one such report of 45 winning sessions. I'm just writing up another.

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March 22nd, 2021 at 11:12:33 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

If you fail. Just don't report that.



Did Mission omit a losing session from his account?

I wasn't asking about how many consecutive winning sessions a person can report.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 11:25:51 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

Did Mission omit a losing session from his account?

I wasn't asking about how many consecutive winning sessions a person can report.



No. Session 11 started off as a $10,000 loser, which is the entire bankroll that the Wizard game provides. I rectified this by, "Continuing," the session and making the $10,000 provided by the Wizard's game instead represent $100,000. At that point, I bet $20,000 and won...which is how Session 11 became a, "Winning session," because a session is whatever a person feels like calling it.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 11:26:25 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

Did Mission omit a losing session from his account?

I wasn't asking about how many consecutive winning sessions a person can report.



Mission mentioned conveniently forgetting his 11th session which led to disaster.

Since he reported later on an 11th session I gather he erased the disaster from memory.

EDIT: Mission answered above

More to the point, is MDawg omitting losing sessions

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March 22nd, 2021 at 11:33:04 AM permalink
For the record, my posts are not meant to imply that any losing sessions are being omitted.

A, "Session," is whatever you want to call a session. While it's true that a, "Case bet," is whatever is in front of you...unless that is the last of MDawg's money for the remainder of his life (or he never plays Baccarat again) then you can just get more money and call that a continuance of the session if you want to.

Again, I'm not suggesting that he is doing that.

The point is that none of these things have any definitions that are set in stone. It's pointless to challenge the veracity of one individual person's trip reports because the reports would have to be incredibly extensive or results that run absurdly against probability.

In other words, just because a person is using some sort of progression system or playing, "Streaks," or, "Chops," doesn't mean they are any more likely to lose than any other person...and some people win...because if nobody won, then casinos would die out. My point was also to demonstrate that playing under these sorts of parameters of, "Sessions," means that several winning sessions in a row are possible, especially when you define what, "Winning session," means and can end a session anytime you want to end it.

If you always manage to, "End," a, "Session," ahead, then that is a winning session. Every session can be a winning session with the only exception being ones in which you never get ahead in the first place. Mathematically, on a negative expectation game, that's also something that's destined to happen sooner or later...but not necessarily to any one person.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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March 22nd, 2021 at 11:51:10 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

How is this about you? I asked Mission the question. The reason why is for information purposes.

I don't recall your question, and don't understand what then middleman issue could be.

Can you provide a link to the page?



Nothing in my post is about me. Interesting that is your read. Here’s the link. On my browser it’s my post at the bottom of the page.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/318/#post798751
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March 22nd, 2021 at 12:00:31 PM permalink
On streaks, I decided to go through a shoe without making any bets to see if I could find any notable runs. After about halfway through the shoe we had:

2 Bankers
1 Player
3 Bankers
1 Player
3 Bankers
1 Player
Banker
Player
Two Ties
Player
Tie
7 Players
Tie
5 Players
Banker

I took a picture of this on my phone because, even though it's a fake game, I wouldn't be surprised if someone wanted proof.

But, yeah, ignoring ties there were 14 consecutive Player wins AND Banker did not show up for 18 consecutive hands.

If you're, "Betting into the streak," and consider a streak over after, say, two consecutive Player and three means it's a Player streak...this is obviously a really excellent shoe for you. There's no predictive capability, of course, but it turns out well if you're, "Betting into the streak."
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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March 22nd, 2021 at 12:04:11 PM permalink
Wait, I'm confused. Coachbelly is posting when the MDawg account isn't suspended? Wow, that's new.
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March 22nd, 2021 at 12:07:46 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Nothing in my post is about me. Interesting that is your read.



When you wrote "mine"...who did you mean?

Quote: unJon

Why are you asking questions when you dodged mine



I quoted your question below, I'm willing to answer truthfully, but I don't fully understand what you are asking.

Can you re-phrase the question?

Quote: unJon

Coach belly, why the middleman? Why not just take the other side of the wafer directly?

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March 22nd, 2021 at 12:11:16 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

There's no predictive capability, of course, but it turns out well if you're, "Betting into the streak."



Is predictive capability required to bet into the steak?
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March 22nd, 2021 at 12:11:39 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

When you wrote "mine"...who did you mean?



I quoted your question below, I'm willing to answer truthfully, but I don't fully understand what you are asking.

Can you re-phrase the question?



Why did you offer to cover rainman’s losses and in effect be the economic counterparty on the other side of that MDawg challenge, instead of accepting the challenge yourself?
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March 22nd, 2021 at 12:16:03 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Why did you offer to cover rainman’s losses and in effect be the economic counterparty on the other side of that MDawg challenge, instead of accepting the challenge yourself?



I took a risk in anticipation of rainman backing out of the challenge...which he immediately did.

I wouldn't bet against MD, but I'll cover rainman's action...or yours for that matter.
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