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January 31st, 2021 at 6:49:31 PM permalink
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At least if peeps are going to discuss what I do or don't do, don't put words in my mouth.

TomG is the closest to describing what I have said as to exactly what I do as far as specifics of betting strategies or methods...which is not much. I discuss results, these are trip reports. Just because I mention a progression in passing doesn't mean that I am doing a progressive betting all the time, or even most of the time, or that this is my "system." Yes I have mentioned following the shoe in Baccarat, but who is to say that this is all I do. I've also discussed Blackjack play. Don't put words in my mouth puhlease.
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TLDR. I wonder if I would get suspend for asking what else you wanted., ONM....

Why don't you post up about your perfect Baccarat shoe here on this forum. In sure everyone would love to hear about it.
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January 31st, 2021 at 6:53:45 PM permalink
My final comment for the night will be this: Here is what we have learned about this amazing winning several year run.

Decision on what to bet banker vs player is made on some sort of "gut feeling".

And wager are altered (increased) based on past results. That is the definition of a progressive wagering system.

If I am asked to believe this miraculous run, I think we are entitled to a little more than just voodoo claims stacked on top of one another.

The closest comparison would be roulette. If someone were to claim several years worth of extensive winning betting black/red based on gut feeling as to which color would come out, coupled with altering betting amounts, is there ANYONE on a math, gambling based forum that wouldn't question that?
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January 31st, 2021 at 6:56:40 PM permalink
The Wizard "In fact, I retract my previous claim of "I don't believe MDawg's claims.""
People should always go with their first insteaks until they actually meet someone and see actual evidence of one's claims or know them long enough to gather more evidence.

Mike has admitted he's made some bad judgments backing the wrong horse's.
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January 31st, 2021 at 7:02:09 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

My final comment for the night will be this: Here is what we have learned about this amazing winning several year run.

Decision on what to bet banker vs player is made on some sort of "gut feeling".

And wager are altered (increased) based on past results. That is the definition of a progressive wagering system.

If I am asked to believe this miraculous run, I think we are entitled to a little more than just voodoo claims stacked on top of one another.

The closest comparison would be roulette. If someone were to claim several years worth of extensive winning betting black/red based on gut feeling as to which color would come out, coupled with altering betting amounts, is there ANYONE that wouldn't question that?

Are you telling me Baccarat isn't a pure game of skill with a super complex strategie one must learn in order to master? I heard a monkey could play Baccarat, but I assumed it had to be a super special golden monkey.
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January 31st, 2021 at 7:26:51 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

The closest comparison would be roulette. If someone were to claim several years worth of extensive winning betting black/red based on gut feeling as to which color would come out, coupled with altering betting amounts, is there ANYONE on a math, gambling based forum that wouldn't question that?



If someone won a lot of money at roulette over a lot of years, how would you explain it?
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January 31st, 2021 at 7:26:56 PM permalink
I suppose I should feel honored that these two AxelWolf and KewlJ spend so much time trying to analyze and summarize my play, but...typically...KewlJ summarizes "what we have learned" all wrong.

As I have mentioned before, it's like a sort of Gossage-Vardebedian Papers, where two people are playing chess by mail and it turns out that they have been playing two different games. What I'm saying and doing are very different from how these two try to make it seem. But then, they have their own agendas. Whatever those agendas might be? I'm just making trip reports.

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January 31st, 2021 at 7:40:54 PM permalink
How many times have we heard from KewlJ that he is...done with this forum and will never post again...that he is done with the MDawg thread and will not post here again...or even, that he is done for tonight (only to see him come back within minutes).

I wonder if he could stay silent and not post at WOV for a year...to win a bet?

What would he need to do to win such a bet? Crush his fingers? Sever his vocal cords to prevent speech to text?

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January 31st, 2021 at 7:57:16 PM permalink
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If someone won a lot of money at roulette over a lot of years, how would you explain it?

Lies.

Unless, of course, they had a mathematical edge.
Last edited by: AxelWolf on Jan 31, 2021
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January 31st, 2021 at 8:01:38 PM permalink
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How many times have we heard from KewlJ that he is...done with this forum and will never post again...that he is done with the MDawg thread and will not post here again...or even, that he is done for tonight (only to see him come back within minutes).

I wonder if he could stay silent and not post at WOV for a year...to win a bet?

What would he need to do to win such a bet? Crush his fingers? Sever his vocal cords to prevent speech to text?

You chose to stay away(take a suspension) for a month in lue of actually honoring your bunk offer.
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January 31st, 2021 at 8:10:51 PM permalink
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How many times have we heard from KewlJ that he is...done with this forum and will never post again...that he is done with the MDawg thread and will not post here again...or even, that he is done for tonight (only to see him come back within minutes).


Thanks for inviting me back for more.

Mdawg, because you can't adequately answer for your, wait what is the word OnceDear wants me to use...oh yeah "implausible" claims, you try to get me to be silent with these little trolls and by constant complaining to different forum admin. You can't answer so, you try to silence the challenges and challenger.

Just man up, let Wizard witness your play and let's be done with this. I know you can't and won't do that because the only way you can continue is if it is just your say so about this magical run.
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January 31st, 2021 at 8:11:32 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

If someone won a lot of money at roulette over a lot of years, how would you explain it?



Without any more information, I would tend not to believe him. I would ask for a ‘how’! If it was ‘biased wheel’ or dealer bad at math or free play coupons helped I might be swayed. If it was a one or two session martingale system that won, sure. If it is someone who plays multiple times a week for a year without describing some sort of flaw leading to an edge, then I would not believe the claimant.

My few +EV experiences at games generally that are -EV are easily explainable. Saw the hole card. Dealer didn’t know how to set their own pai gow hands. Dealer paid losing hands at BJ. If someone said ‘I found something similar at roulette, but want to keep it private’, then at least it is acknowledging that the game is usually -EV but they found a flaw.
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January 31st, 2021 at 8:28:48 PM permalink
FYI it's not just winning I would call out... I have called out extoranday claim of losing as well...

30 hands straight of losing on balck Jack in a row with no ties rings a bell.
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January 31st, 2021 at 8:29:12 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Without any more information, I would tend not to believe him. I would ask for a ‘how’! If it was ‘biased wheel’ or dealer bad at math or free play coupons helped I might be swayed. If it was a one or two session martingale system that won, sure. If it is someone who plays multiple times a week for a year without describing some sort of flaw leading to an edge, then I would not believe the claimant.

My few +EV experiences at games generally that are -EV are easily explainable. Saw the hole card. Dealer didn’t know how to set their own pai gow hands. Dealer paid losing hands at BJ. If someone said ‘I found something similar at roulette, but want to keep it private’, then at least it is acknowledging that the game is usually -EV but they found a flaw.



If they are doing any of those things, then the play isn't -EV any longer, In MDawg's case, he has been asked many times if there is something legitimate he is doing that changes the -EV play to +EV play and he has never indicated anything. Even a "yeah I am doing something but don't wish to share it" would have been something.

So you didn't mention clocking the roulette wheel. I have only heard about that, don't know how realistic it is. But I did have 6 months experience clocking the big Six wheel (Grosjean's technique) when I first moved to Vegas. That is a story for another time though.
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January 31st, 2021 at 8:34:32 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

If they are doing any of those things, then the play isn't -EV any longer, In MDawg's case, he has been asked many times if there is something legitimate he is doing that changes the -EV play to +EV play and he has never indicated anything. Even a "yeah I am doing something but don't wish to share it" would have been something.

So you didn't mention clocking the roulette wheel. I have only heard about that, don't know how realistic it is. But I did have 6 months experience clocking the big Six wheel (Grosjean's technique) when I first moved to Vegas. That is a story for another time though.

I thought you said you were done posing 5 posts ago😊.

Obviously, you would ask if they had an advantage of some kind or assume they did,. But, as you pointed out MDawg has repeatedly stated he doesn't. Assuming you believe any of it.... He's simply using a modified Marty along with a hit and run guessing system.
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January 31st, 2021 at 8:36:55 PM permalink
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I thought you said you were done posing 5 posts ago😊.



MDawg invited me back with his talking crap.
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January 31st, 2021 at 8:40:13 PM permalink
Haa, I toleja he couldn't stay away. He'd have to crush his fingers or sever his vocal cords to stay away from posting about me!

Quote: TigerWu

MDawg is the best thing to happen to this forum in months for some people... they can't get enough of him! Haha...



And you AW, make up your mind about me. One minute I'm a
Quote: AxelWolf

Baccarat aficionado

next I am, some kind of progressive wagering hit and runner, next I have never been in a casino before in my life, or some such!
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January 31st, 2021 at 10:11:26 PM permalink
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. Sorry. You got to figure it out for yourself. It is so multi factorial. I like to think I have earned some trust on this forum over the last decade. If I make a 1 in a thousand claim I would expect most to believe me. If a brand new poster who started cocky and nonsensical made the same claim you wouldn’t believe him.

Others here have questioned the veracity of some of your claims. I tend to believe you. So much of this belief or not belief is based on motive. I perceive your motive as similar to mine... you enjoy interacting with members of the forum and enjoy sharing stuff.

Who, if anyone do you have in the SB?




I'm going to close an open teaser with KC in all likelihood. That's about it. I have about half a dozen open teasers that I never had an opportunity to use. Fortunately, I can stockpile them for next year, if I must.

I'm debating what to do with various small amounts of free play I won in contests. For example, I have $500 at Heritage for finishing tied for sixth. I can spread it to as many wagers as I like. The sensible, easy thing to do is just pick one thing and use it. But about five years ago I actually won the same contest and won 25K in free play. Being tight and not really liking anything, I cross referenced hundreds of props from sites and in Las Vegas and set up a myriad of middle shots with props, which took a ridiculous amount of work and just about killed my eyes squinting at props onscreen for hours on end. So I thought maybe I'd do the same this week as a kind of exercise on a small scale in case I'm ever called upon to do it for a lot in the future. It would be a royal pain, but I feel like it would be a useful exercise in shopping and timing and discipline. I've aged five years in the interim, so I assume it'll be harder for me to do that now. Probably worth the mental exercise to try to do it well.
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January 31st, 2021 at 10:41:34 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

At least if peeps are going to discuss what I do or don't do, don't put words in my mouth.

TomG is the closest to describing what I have said as to exactly what I do as far as specifics of betting strategies or methods...which is not much. I discuss results, these are trip reports. Just because I mention a progression in passing doesn't mean that I am doing a progressive betting all the time, or even most of the time, or that this is my "system." Yes I have mentioned following the shoe in Baccarat, but who is to say that this is all I do. I've also discussed Blackjack play. Don't put words in my mouth puhlease.

I also think it is equally not right to ascribe your beliefs to others. There are many people who PM me here at the forum all the time stating that they know what I post is the truth, but...so what? Am I going to say that I am believable because so and so believes me? Stand on your own two feet, and tell us what you think, but don't assume that others believe the same as you, and even if they do, you have no right or even basis to claim anything on their behalf. If your own opinions are so weak that they require you to say that so and so agrees with me, that might mean that you aren't sure of yourself or anything you say.

The Wizard has made it clear that it is a forum rule violation to call someone a liar or fiction or story telling, that things are to be believed until disproved. As well, he came on here and posted after speaking to me that he does believe all of my chronicles.

Whatever the results are along the way, and at the end of each year, I have posted. I have posted much more than anyone else in the history of these forums, in terms of backup. Come to think of it, no one else I can think of has posted anything, in the way of backup.


If you don't want to accept that,
I don't know what else I can do for you.

I really am mostly just interested in making trip reports, and if someone doesn't believe the back up I have posted, then there is absolutely nothing further to discuss with such a person. Just...enjoy. Relaaax.

Unfortunately for you, you don't realize just how sarcastic TomG and SP are actually being.
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January 31st, 2021 at 11:03:51 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Haa, I toleja he couldn't stay away. He'd have to crush his fingers or sever his vocal cords to stay away from posting about me!



And you AW, make up your mind about me. One minute I'm a next I am, some kind of progressive wagering hit and runner, next I have never been in a casino before in my life, or some such!

How many times have you ran to Mike and complained about other members that ended up resulting in them being suspended? I suspect many times.
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January 31st, 2021 at 11:11:26 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Haa, I toleja he couldn't stay away. He'd have to crush his fingers or sever his vocal cords to stay away from posting about me!



And you AW, make up your mind about me. One minute I'm a next I am, some kind of progressive wagering hit and runner, next I have never been in a casino before in my life, or some such!

Are you now claiming that you don't have a feeling when to leave, and you don't leave when you are ahead? That's exactly what a hit and run system consists of. I can't say for sure, but I'm fairly certain that's exactly what you claim to be good at. Knowing when to leave..... = Hit and Run.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 5:28:10 AM permalink
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One minute I'm a

Quote: AxelWolf

Baccarat aficionado

next I am, some kind of progressive wagering hit and runner, next I have never been in a casino before in my life, or some such!



Misquoting -- Seven-day suspension.

As a reminder, quotes must honestly represent what the person being quoted said. The quote evidently comes from this post. Taking those two words only does misrepresents Axel's point. One might argue that it was a joke, but it should be assumed we mods have no sense of humor.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 5:33:54 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Misquoting -- Seven-day suspension.

As a reminder, quotes must honestly represent what the person being quoted said. The quote evidently comes from this post. Taking those two words only does misrepresents Axel's point. One might argue that it was a joke, but it should be assumed we mods have no sense of humor.



I’ve read and re read your post Mike, and still can’t figure out why MDawg is suspended? He accurately quoted Axel, and then paraphrased perhaps 100 of Axel’s, PG’s, maybe even my posts? The part in quotes is accurate. This doesn’t feel right in my belly. I am coaching you to rescind this suspension.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 5:51:21 AM permalink
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I’ve read and re read your post Mike, and still can’t figure out why MDawg is suspended?



A complaint was filed. The complainant felt the two words were too few to convey the full context of the post quoted from. If charges should get dropped, I'll reverse the decision.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 5:56:54 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

A complaint was filed. The complainant felt the two words were too few to convey the full context of the post quoted from. If charges should get dropped, I'll reverse the decision.



I can’t decide if the right quote for the situation of filing of charges in this circumstance is:

1) Pot, meet kettle.
2) People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
3) Good for the goose, good for the gander.

I can see pros and cons for each.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 5:59:48 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: Wizard

Misquoting -- Seven-day suspension.

As a reminder, quotes must honestly represent what the person being quoted said. The quote evidently comes from this post. Taking those two words only does misrepresents Axel's point. One might argue that it was a joke, but it should be assumed we mods have no sense of humor.



I’ve read and re read your post Mike, and still can’t figure out why MDawg is suspended? He accurately quoted Axel, and then paraphrased perhaps 100 of Axel’s, PG’s, maybe even my posts? The part in quotes is accurate. This doesn’t feel right in my belly. I am coaching you to rescind this suspension.



It's clear to me Axel was calling MDawg a "Baccarat Aficionado" because he isn't.

Like if Wizard says "Playing a Martingale, Russian Roulette all very sound ideas

And then someone selling a Martingale system quotes the Wizard "Playing a Martingale, all very sound"
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February 2nd, 2021 at 6:03:41 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

A complaint was filed. The complainant felt the two words were too few to convey the full context of the post quoted from. If charges should get dropped, I'll reverse the decision.

I'm inclined to agree with SooPoo. I didn't see the complaint, and I don't know who complained, but as I understand it, AW was originally being facetious in calling Mdawg an aficionado and though Mdawg's quote did lack context, it is no secret that AW never really did think he was an aficionado.
Complaints from either of those two parties should be taken in the context of hostility between them. 'Tattling' is a word I've seen applied.
Not a popular word in my part of the world, not a popular practice in any?
Is banging heads together still accepted practice? *

* that's an attempt at humour to try to disprove Wizard's earlier personal insult to his moderators**

** and that's another $:o)
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February 2nd, 2021 at 6:19:27 AM permalink
If somebody presses charges to me, then I have to apply forum rules as fairly as I can. Precedent has it that I take misquoting seriously and there is no exception for humor or satire.

Meanwhile, I remind the forum that there is no rule against making claims such as "I can walk on (liquid) water." If another member doesn't believe it, fine. I don't understand why there needs to be an endless back and forth about it. Just agree to disagree and move on.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 6:23:39 AM permalink
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Meanwhile, I remind the forum that there is no rule against making claims such as "I can walk on (liquid) water." If another member doesn't believe it, fine. I don't understand why there needs to be an endless back and forth about it. Just agree to disagree and move on.

I claim that "We moderators have a fantastic sense of humor and world renowned, perfectly honed judgement" $:o)
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February 2nd, 2021 at 6:27:20 AM permalink
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I claim that ...


Drat. I tried suspending myself for that mischievous post, but I didn't go red.

$:o)
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February 2nd, 2021 at 6:39:12 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Drat. I tried suspending myself for that mischievous post, but I didn't go red.

$:o)



I do not believe this claim.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 6:54:31 AM permalink
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I do not believe this claim.

I respect your right to not believe that. Suspended moderators stay green and don't seem to lose any features or powers.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 7:08:51 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

I respect your right to not believe that. Suspended moderators stay green and don't seem to lose any features or powers.



You need to use the special ‘kryptonite’ suspension feature.

My analysis..... MDawgs recent posts don’t even come close to being suspension worthy. But the gambling claims that lack credulity are always a base on which his other posts stand on.

I’m serious,,,, If he just once would have said, ‘I can’t believe how lucky I’ve been!’ .... instead of ‘How could anyone lose after seeing a shoe like that!’ ..... then we could possibly believe him.

Anyway, he shouldn’t be suspended now.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 10:22:30 AM permalink
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A complaint was filed. The complainant felt the two words were too few to convey the full context of the post quoted from. If charges should get dropped, I'll reverse the decision.



while I can appreciate this policy was initiated with good intent, IMO, it no longer works with all the "feuding" that is going on. Is that really the environment you want? Everyone complaining about every little thing? I mean if someone really insults someone and that second person really feels insulted, that is one thing. But that is not whats happening.

I'll give you an example that still burns me a little.

YOU (Wizard) said everyone can decide for themselves if they believe MDawgs claims.

I said I do not and used the word "fiction", which is no more than saying I don't believe the claims.

Someone and it could have only been MDawg, complained that I called him a liar and I was suspended.

I mean come on. The word "Liar" IS stinging and meant as an insult. I purposely didn't use that. Fiction just expresses that I didn't believe him, which YOU said we could express. I presume you felt you had to act because a complaint was filed. But not every complaint should be granted. Even if the person feels legitimately insulted, not every complaint is really an insult.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 10:31:02 AM permalink
And let me just add this. When I was banned from here 4-5 years ago, Mike and I had a little back and forth. Mike suggested I visit another forum, a forum I was not familiar with because there was an ongoing thread bashing him. LOL.

So I did. I bounced around that forum for a couple years, them a second pretty nasty forum, populated with Trolls that want to bash and are allowed to bash. Let me tell, you I have been mercilessly insulted. If you need help deciding what an real insult is and what isn't, I can lend a hand. lol. Just kidding.

But my point is, I would really like this forum to be better than that and that includes all the nit-picking complaining, trying to get people banned over every little thing. THAT is why I asked to come back here in the first place. WoV should be better than that.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 10:39:12 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

You need to use the special ‘kryptonite’ suspension feature.

My analysis..... MDawgs recent posts don’t even come close to being suspension worthy. But the gambling claims that lack credulity are always a base on which his other posts stand on.

I’m serious,,,, If he just once would have said, ‘I can’t believe how lucky I’ve been!’ .... instead of ‘How could anyone lose after seeing a shoe like that!’ ..... then we could possibly believe him.

Anyway, he shouldn’t be suspended now.



He shouldn't be suspended, but it is time, actually past time that he allow Wizard to witness some of his play as Mike requested, so we can all see just what is going on. Normally no one is required to "prove" anything, but come on, when you make these magnitude of claims, for years now, that is just highly unlikely, it is time to put up a little something.

Just the same as a guy formerly of this forum, came back to do an interview last spring with Mike. After years of impossible claims, it became time to put up SOMETHING. Unable to do so, he exposed himself and ended the situation. I mean these things have to end at some point. Can't just go on forever claiming magical powers to win, that defy math and logic. THAT is not how any kind of gambling works, +EV, -EV, anything. And that includes EVERY stock trade being a winner. There just comes a time when enough is enough.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 1:24:13 PM permalink
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He shouldn't be suspended, but it is time, actually past time that he allow Wizard to witness some of his play as Mike requested, so we can all see just what is going on. Normally no one is required to "prove" anything, but come on, when you make these magnitude of claims, for years now, that is just highly unlikely, it is time to put up a little something.

Just the same as a guy formerly of this forum, came back to do an interview last spring with Mike. After years of impossible claims, it became time to put up SOMETHING. Unable to do so, he exposed himself and ended the situation. I mean these things have to end at some point. Can't just go on forever claiming magical powers to win, that defy math and logic. THAT is not how any kind of gambling works, +EV, -EV, anything. And that includes EVERY stock trade being a winner. There just comes a time when enough is enough.

. We will have to agree to disagree! This thread IS the Adventures of MDawg! I think it would be healthier for YOU to not participate here. You, me, Axel, PG, etc... have made our case. Offered MDawg a chance to ‘prove’ that he does what he says he does. He has chosen not to. If you just read all your posts in this thread you would say ‘why is that guy posting the same thing for 100 posts in a row?’ I enjoy my convos with MD. I don’t necessarily believe every statement, but he is interesting to chat with. I can assure you if you asked me to ‘prove’ my WoV portfolio is up over a million dollars (it is!) I would say ‘nope’!

My main point is that you do not seem to ENJOY this thread! So why not stay away!?
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February 2nd, 2021 at 1:25:05 PM permalink
I filed the complaint and I'm willing to admit that, unlike some people we know, who are no doubt constantly complaining and getting others suspended for anything and everything at the drop of a hat. They won't even admit it when asked directly.

Quite a while ago, I told a special someone, if they want to play the suspension game with me, I'm in. The quoting thing is petty, and we all know it. But hey, It's a Wolf eat Dawg world(forum).

MDawg was upset that he was getting schooled ,no, make that annihilated, over in the BTC thread regarding his knowledge about BTC, so, he went after me and Poker Grinder. I knew there was a good chance he would run to Mike and tattle, resulting in my suspension. Had it just been me that got suspended, I probably would have let it go, but he went after PG as well.

It's no secret me and MDawg have been feuding(what would the forums be without a little drama and feuding going on?) but he crossed the line when he attempted to Dox me by proxy. Some of you may not be aware that the feuding isn't just what you see here, it also extends to a much less moderated forum, so you can only imagine. And he has taken it to at least two other locations that I don't even participate at.

People have been suspended for partially quoting others. IIRC in the past Mike said on the forum you must quote an entire sentence. I believe it depends on the circumstances, and if the person being quoted wishes to file a complaint or not.

If partially quoting is allowed then we will end up with situations like this. I'm a big liar when it comes to telling my wife all her friends are super ugly.

"Someone" will come along and quote "I'm a big Liar"
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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February 2nd, 2021 at 1:38:50 PM permalink
The bottom line reason the Wizard allows this thread is, if I may be so bold, because it's the only one like it.

So if I start a thread about adventures in sports betting, and I say I went 93-7 in NFL totals and 110-6 in NBA sides and I post photos of snazzy suites (probably from occasions I hung out with the girlfriend, but I won't mention that), then the MDawg stuff gets watered down some.

And if Axelwolf comes along and starts a thread about winning 73 times in a row playing video poker and takes photos of half a dozen hot strippers laid out on a bed as his comps, then the MDawg interest gets watered down some more.

Then if kewlJ comes along and explains how he won 300K last year playing blackjack and takes photos of himself (wearing a mask) with the Thunder Down Under boys as his comps, then the MDawg mystique takes another hit.

It all becomes banal and silly.

So if you guys want to do that, with the understanding that nobody is allowed to refer to our tales as fiction or lies, then I'm on board. It'll be fun until it isn't.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 2:14:11 PM permalink
Quote: redietz

The bottom line reason the Wizard allows this thread is, if I may be so bold, because it's the only one like it.

So if I start a thread about adventures in sports betting, and I say I went 93-7 in NFL totals and 110-6 in NBA sides and I post photos of snazzy suites (probably from occasions I hung out with the girlfriend, but I won't mention that), then the MDawg stuff gets watered down some.

And if Axelwolf comes along and starts a thread about winning 73 times in a row playing video poker and takes photos of half a dozen hot strippers laid out on a bed as his comps, then the MDawg interest gets watered down some more.

Then if kewlJ comes along and explains how he won 300K last year playing blackjack and takes photos of himself (wearing a mask) with the Thunder Down Under boys as his comps, then the MDawg mystique takes another hit.

It all becomes banal and silly.

So if you guys want to do that, with the understanding that nobody is allowed to refer to our tales as fiction or lies, then I'm on board. It'll be fun until it isn't.



Interesting post. I considered making a thread showing me with my $10 food coupon, free mini air conditioner, and free multi purpose flashlight/lantern I’ve received due to my being such a big player. But I know that thread would dominate the forum, so I haven’t.

I think WoV is MADE for people to make claims. And MADE for people to challenge them. That by human nature leads to some of the discord we have been experiencing.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 2:16:28 PM permalink
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I filed the complaint and I'm willing to admit that, unlike some people we know, who are no doubt constantly complaining and getting others suspended for anything and everything at the drop of a hat. They won't even admit it when asked directly.



You are insisting above that there are others who have done what you admit to doing,
as if your confession is proof of someone else's indiscretions.

The fact that you admitted to have filed a complaint does not implicate,
or in any way confirm that others have done the same.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 3:00:59 PM permalink
OMG
Mama showed up lol
Got to protect her boy
Come on Mama
Show some tough love
Cut the umbilical cord lol
When somebody doesn't believe me, I could care less. Some get totally bent out of shape when not believed. Weird. I believe very little on all forums
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February 2nd, 2021 at 3:11:17 PM permalink
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Mama showed up lol



Is this intended as an insult?
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February 2nd, 2021 at 3:11:43 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Interesting post. I considered making a thread showing me with my $10 food coupon, free mini air conditioner, and free multi purpose flashlight/lantern I’ve received due to my being such a big player. But I know that thread would dominate the forum, so I haven’t.

I think WoV is MADE for people to make claims. And MADE for people to challenge them. That by human nature leads to some of the discord we have been experiencing.




Exactly!

I had an entire schtick planned regarding my cousin, E.R. Dietz coming back from the dead and his last Las Vegas trip. Last year at this time, I was in LV and took a bunch of photos to go with the narrative, but it was as you say -- it was tongue in cheek, like a shot of a heating grate to show his accommodations for one night, followed by a shot of a really nice suite the next night after E.R. "channeled the patterns" of a baccarat table. Stuff like that. Of course, my cousin winds up broke at the end of the trip despite winning 20K on sports futures (which of course I have screen shots to verify).
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February 2nd, 2021 at 3:43:59 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

You are insisting above that there are others who have done what you admit to doing,
as if your confession is proof of someone else's indiscretions.

The fact that you admitted to have filed a complaint does not implicate,
or in any way confirm that others have done the same.

Others have done the same. So put that argument to bed.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 3:48:06 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

Is this intended as an insult?

Looks like a term of endearment to me.
If terapined confirms it, I'll suspend him.
If terapined denies it, I wont suspend him.
Regardless, another moderator MIGHT suspend him.

Moderation in moderation We are all big boys and girls here.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 3:55:28 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Looks like a term of endearment to me.



Does this look like a term of endearment too?

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Got to protect her boy

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February 2nd, 2021 at 3:57:59 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

OMG
Mama showed up lol
Got to protect her boy
Come on Mama
Show some tough love
Cut the umbilical cord lol



Right on cue... It truly is amazing.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 4:32:04 PM permalink
I see why Ed was suspended. But can’t figure out why CoachBelly joined him in the sin bin? At least Ed and I can still yap about our stocks on DT.
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February 2nd, 2021 at 4:41:32 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

I see why Ed was suspended. But can’t figure out why CoachBelly joined him in the sin bin? At least Ed and I can still yap about our stocks on DT.



Suspension list says 7 days for trolling for Coachbelly. I sort of feel like it I would have said Coach was trolling for his post, I would be in the red for personal insult. *dunno*
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February 2nd, 2021 at 4:45:38 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

You are insisting above that there are others who have done what you admit to doing,
as if your confession is proof of someone else's indiscretions.

The fact that you admitted to have filed a complaint does not implicate,
or in any way confirm that others have done the same.

Its obvious. Mike has stated before that he doesn't read most of the threads( I don't blame him) and normally doesn't get involved until someone files a complaint.


Also, his silence when asked multiple times is very telling. Let's ask him again when he gets back.... Just how many times he has made a complaint.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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