The Adventures of MDawg

Quote: AxelWolf

I did something to show I was ready to move forward.

You've done nothing but stall and waste time.

If you had moved forward by putting your faked trip reports together, instead of arguing about everything, then you could have already gotten paid.

It's becoming more clear that MDawg can't even afford $5,000 for a challenge

Quote: darkoz

It's becoming more clear that MDawg can't even afford $5,000 for a challenge

Well.... there is no real evidence that he can't AFFORD $5k. But as I posted maybe a hundred pages back, there is NO WAY he will ever pay anyone on this forum $5k. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

There may be a few hundred, maybe even thousand, posts about it. But THERE WILL BE NO BET as outlined here. MDawg will NEVER agree to any reasonable terms Axel proposes.

How anyone could not see that once MDawg actually suggested that he choose a judge and that the decision on the challenge be unanimous!

I enjoy MDawg's stories. I certainly enjoy his stock market takes. I hope he stays.

Quote: darkoz

It's becoming more clear that MDawg can't even afford $5,000 for a challenge

We'll find out as soon as Axel posts his faked trip reports, and they are judged to be as authentic as what MDawg posted.

Quote: SOOPOO

there is NO WAY he will ever pay anyone on this forum $5k. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

That's right...if he follows my advice.

Quote: Expectedvalue

Wizard..... why won’t he just let you watch him play in person again?

He is very protective of his real identity. Furthermore, he doesn't say he can beat baccarat in the future. Just that he has done well since 2018. I explained to him that with a quarter million credit line and coming home with an average win of $20,000 over nine or ten trips is not that unlikely . He did not seem to disagree with me about that.

I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think he would say he is just trying to share his trip reports here and doesn't mean to cause so much drama.

Quote: SOOPOO

THERE WILL BE NO BET as outlined here. MDawg will NEVER agree to any reasonable terms Axel proposes.

You seem confused...what's been outlined here is not a bet.

You have it all backwards.

Axel's not betting anything, Axel wants money from MDawg.

Axel doesn't get to propose any terms, Axel must comply with MDawg's terms in order to get paid.

Quote: Wizard

He is very protective of his real identity. Furthermore, he doesn't say he can beat baccarat in the future. Just that he has done well since 2018. I explained to him that with a quarter million credit line and coming home with an average win of $20,000 over nine or ten trips is not that unlikely . He did not seem to disagree with me about that.

I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think he would say he is just trying to share his trip reports here and doesn't mean to cause so much drama.

Mike, thanks for this. Really helps bring out the character of MDawg. Hope he continues to post his trip reports going forward too.

Quote: SOOPOO

Well.... there is no real evidence that he can't AFFORD $5k. But as I posted maybe a hundred pages back, there is NO WAY he will ever pay anyone on this forum $5k. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

There may be a few hundred, maybe even thousand, posts about it. But THERE WILL BE NO BET as outlined here. MDawg will NEVER agree to any reasonable terms Axel proposes.

How anyone could not see that once MDawg actually suggested that he choose a judge and that the decision on the challenge be unanimous!

I enjoy MDawg's stories. I certainly enjoy his stock market takes. I hope he stays.

I agree with your assessment.

However that's precisely what a person who doesn't have the money would do. Make a requirement so ridiculous that he never is put on the spot because the terms will never be agreed upon.

And it seems strange why Wizard suggesting the money be put up first, then the details worked out later and MDawg insisting on Coach Belly and a unanimous decision explains MDawg reticence. It should be Axel who says, whoa, no way, forget it.

If MDawg can't even put the money up prior to finalizing the wager then it's probably because he doesn't have the money.

Notice how hard Coach Belly is going with saying MDawg word is his bond and how MDawg has disappeared?

They both realize MDawg doesn't have the cash.

Quote: Wizard

I have spoken to both parties and I think there is very little agreement or understanding about what a challenge is to be based on. I recommend MDawg and Axel PM each other to figure this out. To be honest, the parties are so far apart from a meeting of the minds that I wonder if throwing out a deadline was fair of me.

One idea I proposed to MDawg in our call yesterday was an attorney quiz. The details would need to be negotiated, but it would be a pop quiz that an attorney should be able to pass and a layman not. What this might accomplish is to mitigate the doubt that MDawg is truthful in claiming his is an attorney. How would both sides feel about doing this instead?

No, I don't care if he's an attorney or a peepshow janitor.

How are we so far off on the terms, please explain? I requested 2 reasonable things. GUARANTEE I GET PAID IF SUCCESSFUL. ELECT SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN JUDGE THE OUTCOME. Along with that the judges could help mediate anything unreasonable. Such as, if MDawg says my trip reports all have to contain the exact number of words his do and I cant use any of the same words he did. Or, if I say I get 3 years to complete the challenge.



I don't understand why that needs discussed via PM. None of that should unearth his identity.

FYI I read his list of things he posted and I didn't really see anything I disagreed with.

I may have wanted clarification.

I also disputed that he has posted up MILLIONS of dollars in paid off markers, something that he was requiring of me. There might be, however, I stopped looking once I noticed the first bit of paperwork was so out of focus it was illegible.

Quote: Wizard

What this might accomplish is to mitigate the doubt that MDawg is truthful in claiming his is an attorney. How would both sides feel about doing this instead?

And we trust MDawg to not use google. LOL. It would be impossible to take this suggestion to MDawg without insulting him one way or another.

Quote: AxelWolf

I don't understand why that needs discussed via PM. None of that should unearth his identity.

The reason I suggest negotiating the details privately is it's kicking up a lot of drama to do it in public.

If MDawg was the first to initiate a challenge, can somebody please link to that post? That would be a good starting point.

dupe and edit

ATTENTION: Michael Shackleford. It's come to my attention you are unaware MD laid out terms of his offer and you have only ever read a tiny fraction of any of his posts, claims etc. I now understand why both eyebrows are not 10 feet in the air.
Also, I now understand why you said this: "I have spoken to both parties and I think there is very little agreement or understanding about what a challenge is to be based on. I recommend MDawg and Axel PM each other to figure this out. To be honest, the parties are so far apart from a meeting of the minds that I wonder if throwing out a deadline was fair of me."

Please read this post to get a better picture of his terms and description:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/35408-the-adventures-of-axelwolf/

You asked why I don't believe MD and I explained it was the totality of many things. Here's one example

Quote: MDawg

See what I mean...TSLA pushing 525 now. The bottom dropped out.

The FIRST especially and often the second drops are the dips to hit, while the stock has elasticity, people still buying haven't given up hope. After that, the trade becomes lower probability. I've been doing this a very long time, and haven't had a losing trade in years.

"I've been doing this a very long time, and haven't had a losing trade in years."

Quote: AxelWolf

Please read this post to get a better picture of his terms and description:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/35408-the-adventures-of-axelwolf/

Thank you. MDawg, it sounds like Axel is going to accept the challenge you laid out. I think it is reasonable to expect you to follow through with paying him if he does as challenged.

Wizard, why ask him to follow though when he can just post up with you . You put the deadline in the sand and now seem to be backtracking. Mdawg makes claims that you said have some sort of probability of being true but when you read through the tread in totality they become like getting four dealt royals in a row. Even worse when you see how much he brags that he tips. Also anyone in the world knows that some of what he said is FACTUally inaccurate.

MDawg,

YOU ARE NOT REALLY LETTING GO OF THE BTC. IT WILL COME BACK IN THE SAME AMOUNT AS U SENT IT... RISE OR FALL. It's no different than having it on an exchange or hard wallet etc. Not wanting to let it go makes absolutely no sense at all. Again, It makes absolutely no sense. Further more, If you're attached to whatever BTC you have already, here is an idea.....JUST BUY MORE. Ill sell Mike or someone reputable 5k worth so the can sell it to you. This solves all the issues including your anonymity.

THERE SHOULD BE 1,3,5 OR 7 JUDGES, ONE TO BREAK ANY TIE. Having a unanimous decision, ESPECIALLY, when you require that you get to HAND PICK A JUDGE... IS ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS. Most people would call that requirement downright weaselly and dishonest. You claim it can't be done, so you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

I suggest you and I each send a secret list of known long time members or someone respected in the gaming community that we would find acceptable and if anyone match, we ask them to judge.

I was quick to ask and press for the funds to be secured, BECUASE, I don't want to jack around for more weeks/months taking a bunch of steps forward electing judges etc only to find out I(or whomever) doesn't have a reasonable guarantee to get paid. Lets not forget you're compadre kept butting in regarding the securing funds issue so that had something to to with my continued reiteration.

You might be suspicious I'm to something. I'm not sure how wanting proof you have the money and will pay if I succeed is suspicious, or what I could possibly be up to. If you send the funds to MIKE via BTC what could I possibly do? This just sounds like an excuse to stall or avoid doing so. I'M ABOULTLY NOT UP TO ANTHING SHIFTY REGARDING YOU OR ANY INDIVIDUAL> EVER <!

My not wanting to read a wall of text while negotiating(or anytime I perceive something to be boring or unproductive, for that matter) has nothing to do with my ability to to complete the challenge. I'm not even sure why you have pointed this out to me. It's only to YOUR benefit if it does affect my ability. It's a waste of time and just clouds up the import issues while snaking off in different directions.
I have managed to get by thus far by picking and choosing when to, or not to be vigilant when reading stuff.
For example, I might be very vigilant while reading the rules of a casino promotion or online casino T&C.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY ME NOT WANTING TO READ A BUNCH OF TEXT WOULD BE A DEAL BEAKER? It makes absolutely ZERO sense.

Quote: AxelWolf

MDawg,

YOU ARE NOT REALLY LETTING GO OF THE BTC. IT WILL COME BACK IN THE SAME AMOUNT AS U SENT IT... RISE OR FALL.

Can I suggest that you decide exactly how to handle currency changes with any wager or pledge. E.g do your wagering for a fixed value of BTC rather than say "$5000" to be taken from this bunch of BTC that we put in escrow.
Far easier if you do the whole exercise in BTC.

Not that this will come to much.

Quote: AxelWolf

MDawg,

YOU ARE NOT REALLY LETTING GO OF THE BTC. IT WILL COME BACK IN THE SAME AMOUNT AS U SENT IT... RISE OR FALL. It's no different than having it on an exchange or hard wallet etc. Not wanting to let it go makes absolutely no sense at all. Again, It makes absolutely no sense. Further more, If you're attached to whatever BTC you have already, here is an idea.....JUST BUY MORE. Ill sell Mike or someone reputable 5k worth so the can sell it to you. This solves all the issues including your anonymity.

THERE SHOULD BE 1,3,5 OR 7 JUDGES, ONE TO BREAK ANY TIE. Having a unanimous decision, ESPECIALLY, when you require that you get to HAND PICK A JUDGE... IS ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS. Most people would call that requirement downright weaselly and dishonest. You claim it can't be done, so you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

I suggest you and I each send a secret list of known long time members or someone respected in the gaming community that we would find acceptable and if anyone match, we ask them to judge.

I was quick to ask and press for the funds to be secured, BECUASE, I don't want to jack around for more weeks/months taking a bunch of steps forward electing judges etc only to find out I(or whomever) doesn't have a reasonable guarantee to get paid. Lets not forget you're compadre kept butting in regarding the securing funds issue so that had something to to with my continued reiteration.

You might be suspicious I'm to something. I'm not sure how wanting proof you have the money and will pay if I succeed is suspicious, or what I could possibly be up to. If you send the funds to MIKE via BTC what could I possibly do? This just sounds like an excuse to stall or avoid doing so. I'M ABOULTLY NOT UP TO ANTHING SHIFTY REGARDING YOU OR ANY INDIVIDUAL> EVER <!

My not wanting to read a wall of text while negotiating(or anytime I perceive something to be boring or unproductive, for that matter) has nothing to do with my ability to to complete the challenge. I'm not even sure why you have pointed this out to me. It's only to YOUR benefit if it does affect my ability. It's a waste of time and just clouds up the import issues while snaking off in different directions.
I have managed to get by thus far by picking and choosing when to, or not to be vigilant when reading stuff.
For example, I might be very vigilant while reading the rules of a casino promotion or online casino T&C.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY ME NOT WANTING TO READ A BUNCH OF TEXT WOULD BE A DEAL BEAKER? It makes absolutely ZERO sense.

Axel.... Read my lips... You will NEVER get paid by MDawg! He WILL NOT guarantee payment in a matter you find suitable, or, will NOT accept a reasonable judging system. THERE WILL NOT BE A CHALLENGE that you will find acceptable in totality, because MDawg will NEVER agree to one!

The above is true, regardless of how many posts you make pointing out why.....

There is no meeting of the minds on the terms of this Challenge. AxelWolf has not even accepted my Challenge as I have proposed it.

Although Wizard and I have both asked that these discussions be conducted privately, AxelWolf keeps having a one sided public conversation with himself. And I mentioned that I blocked some people here, which makes it even more difficult for me to follow what is going on because I assume comments are being made that I don’t even see. I blocked to try to cut down the irrelevant noise and drama.
I did this after reading DeMango’s suggestion.


What is blowing this Challenge are three things: One, is that I actually privately told AxelWolf that I was willing to discuss posting money in advance, and then as soon as I had said that he started pressuring me with posts all over this thread seemingly desperate to get the money up front. When someone says that he’s amenable to discussing something, and the other side seems desperate to make it happen right away, that makes me suspicious. A guy says Okay and the other guy keeps talking? Why? I already said I was not opposed to considering that, what’s the need for all the high pressure talk.

Unless…and this brings me to the second issue, is something Wizard said to me during our phone conversation and reaffirmed via private message, advice that he gave me. Now, both during that conversation and afterwards when he posted here about our conversation, he made it clear that both of us were free to disclose anything that we had discussed. However, in deference to the Wizard’s subsequent wishes that he would rather I not disclose that particular piece of the conversation, I will not.

Nevertheless, even notwithstanding that second issue I was STILL willing to continue with the Challenge until it became clear to me that AxelWolf was just yeah yeah yeahing me with accepting the terms of the Challenge.

How is it clear to me that he hasn’t accepted accepted the terms? Well, for one, I stated days ago that there would be three judges, one appointed by him, one mutually, and one by me, and the decision would have to be unanimous.

He obviously read that, because he started talking about appointing PokerGrinder as a judge, and even later added that he was joking about that choice for his judge. But now he comes in three days later and says that no, he doesn’t want the judges to be unanimous.

Another reason I know he hasn’t accepted the terms, is that although he keeps saying that he agreed to the challenge he states that he doesn’t have to post millions of dollars in markers. That is part of the Challenge as clearly stated

and the fact that he hasn’t even looked at my trip reports other than one post from the early part of this thread, which I have told him more than once, this thread represents just my WOV trip reports starting from a little over a year ago – there are trip reports posted at WOV by me that go back to 2018, which is why he has to produce three years of trip reports, because I have.

If he is not agreeing to post exactly what I proposed in my Challenge, then he is not accepting my challenge.

And then AxelWolf glances at one post of mine (and even states that this is the only post he even looked at closely) and notices that it was slightly out of focus, one post out of hundreds, hundreds that he didn’t even bother to look at, and even though the dollar amounts of the markers on that one picture were still readable as being 5000, 10000 and 20000, he immediately declares that his posts may be out of focus too.

There is no meeting of the minds here. And – this is not a two sided wager with money potentially lost on both sides, this is a unilateral offer with me being the only one with anything monetarily to lose. If you don’t accept my Challenge and my terms in their entirety, you don’t have to undertake it. But you can't complain about ANYTHING until after you accept what I propose. And you haven't.

Quote: MDawg

There is no meeting of the minds on the terms of this Challenge. AxelWolf has not even accepted my Challenge as I have proposed it.

Although Wizard and I have both asked that these discussions be conducted privately, AxelWolf keeps having a one sided public conversation with himself. And I mentioned that I blocked some people here, which makes it even more difficult for me to follow what is going on because I assume comments are being made that I don’t even see. I blocked to try to cut down the irrelevant noise and drama.
I did this after reading DeMango’s suggestion.


What is blowing this Challenge are three things: One, is that I actually privately told AxelWolf that I was willing to discuss posting money in advance, and then as soon as I had said that he started pressuring me with posts all over this thread seemingly desperate to get the money up front. When someone says that he’s amenable to discussing something, and the other side seems desperate to make it happen right away, that makes me suspicious. A guy says Okay and the other guy keeps talking? Why? I already said I was not opposed to considering that, what’s the need for all the high pressure talk.

Unless…and this brings me to the second issue, is something Wizard said to me during our phone conversation and reaffirmed via private message, advice that he gave me. Now, both during that conversation and afterwards when he posted here about our conversation, he made it clear that both of us were free to disclose anything that we had discussed. However, in deference to the Wizard’s subsequent wishes that he would rather I not disclose that particular piece of the conversation, I will not.

Nevertheless, even notwithstanding that second issue I was STILL willing to continue with the Challenge until it became clear to me that AxelWolf was just yeah yeah yeahing me with accepting the terms of the Challenge.

How is it clear to me that he hasn’t accepted accepted the terms? Well, for one, I stated days ago that there would be three judges, one appointed by him, one mutually, and one by me, and the decision would have to be unanimous.

He obviously read that, because he started talking about appointing PokerGrinder as a judge, and even later added that he was joking about that choice for his judge. But now he comes in three days later and says that no, he doesn’t want the judges to be unanimous.

Another reason I know he hasn’t accepted the terms, is that although he keeps saying that he agreed to the challenge he states that he doesn’t have to post millions of dollars in markers. That is part of the Challenge as clearly stated

and the fact that he hasn’t even looked at my trip reports other than one post from the early part of this thread, which I have told him more than once, this thread represents just my WOV trip reports starting from a little over a year ago – there are trip reports posted at WOV by me that go back to 2018, which is why he has to produce three years of trip reports, because I have.

If he is not agreeing to post exactly what I proposed in my Challenge, then he is not accepting my challenge.

And then AxelWolf glances at one post of mine (and even states that this is the only post he even looked at closely) and notices that it was slightly out of focus, one post out of hundreds, hundreds that he didn’t even bother to look at, and even though the dollar amounts of the markers on that one picture were still clearly readable as being 5000, 10000 and 20000, he immediately declares that his posts may be out of focus too.

There is no meeting of the minds here. And – this is not a two sided wager with money potentially lost on both sides, this is a unilateral offer with me being the only one with anything monetarily to lose. If you don’t accept my Challenge and my terms in their entirety, you don’t have to undertake it. But you can't complain about ANYTHING until after you accept what I propose. And you haven't.

. To save you all from wasting time reading this.... MDawg will not escrow any money. The rest is all blather. It is EXACTLY as I predicted a few hundred posts back.

So now the question is this:

If a member is threatened with putting up or shut up by the forum owner

With the threat that he will have to post his money management Baccarat winning elsewhere

And that member manages to throw an unreasonable term or condition (such as a pick my judge and must be unanimous decision)

Such that the OTHER MEMBER refuses to accept

What does said forum owner do?

From the beginning people reputation has been on the line. Credibility, ingenuity, mathematics.

I will give MDawg the ingenuity part.

Wizard has given MDawg the mathematics but I am not 100% sold as the Wizards understanding of how MDawg plays doesn't match his braggadocio trip reports but I am not ready to go through and compile everything that appears different from the Wizards description.

Now, question is who is going to retain the credibility part?

I knew mdawg would never post. If I were him o would have at least posted money to show could faith. He could not even do that and now wizard is taking back what he said. This is not right at all. Put up or shut up as they say.. the clock is ticket but soopoo was 1 trillion percent right all along. Most of what mdawg says comes across as bragging anyway like he needs some sort of affirmation.

Quote: Expectedvalue

I knew mdawg would never post. If I were him o would have at least posted money to show could faith. He could not even do that and now wizard is taking back what he said. This is not right at all. Put up or shut up as they say.. the clock is ticket but soopoo was 1 trillion percent right all along. Most of what mdawg says comes across as bragging anyway like he needs some sort of affirmation.

Thank you. I think my points have been made. I think I’ll take a break from this thread until at least Monday. I truly wish MD would just meet with the Wiz for a coffee/beer. I believe the face to face interaction would help the forum ascertain some clarity.

Quote: SOOPOO

Thank you. I think my points have been made. I think I’ll take a break from this thread until at least Monday. I truly wish MD would just meet with the Wiz for a coffee/beer. I believe the face to face interaction would help the forum ascertain some clarity.

Well, I already offered to buy the beer and light lunch.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/230/#post788300

But that won't happen either.

Quote: Expectedvalue

If I were him o would have at least posted money to show could faith.

And if I were him, then I wouldn't post any money.

MDawg's word is the guarantee.

Good faith would be Axel accepting MDawg's word as a guarantee.

If his word is not good enough, then don't accept the challenge. It's that simple.

If MDawg welches, then there is forum precedent for the consequences of welching.

Is there forum precedent for escrowing thousands in prize money for a challenge of this nature?

Is there precedent for escrowing thousands in wagered money for a member v member bet?

Axel claimed he could fake trip reports that would stand up the the authenticity of what MDawg has posted.

It's obvious that he can't.

So he has spent an extraordinary amount of time arguing and stalling, instead of compiling his fakeries.

If he would have gotten busy preparing the reports, they could have been evaluated, and if found credible then he could have already gotten paid.

Quote: darkoz

Wizard has given MDawg the mathematics but I am not 100% sold as the Wizards understanding of how MDawg plays doesn't match his braggadocio trip reports but I am not ready to go through and compile everything that appears different from the Wizards description.

Please do that. I still don't get the reason for all the drama in this thread. Then again, I only pop in once in a while and skim a page.

As I posted about our call, MDawg claims less in winnings since 2018 than his total credit line. Big deal? He plays a regressive strategy that usually do result in short-term wins, especially with a large bankroll.

However, if I'm missing anything, please do post links to any posts that I would find too incredible to believe.

Quote: Wizard

Please do that. I still don't get the reason for all the drama in this thread. Then again, I only pop in once in a while and skim a page.

As I posted about our call, MDawg claims less in winnings since 2018 than his total credit line. Big deal? He plays a regressive strategy that usually do result in short-term wins, especially with a large bankroll.

However, if I'm missing anything, please do post links to any posts that I would find too incredible to believe.

It will take a number of days to read through everything.

This thread is a continuation of a previous thread so it's more than just the 200+ pages that are apparent.

In order to help Darkoz just a little and to show wizard. He trips of 21 days are like saying I have 1 trip but live in Vegas. What’s really important here is not so much his actual because that can be manipulated. I would like to see his theoretical . Then we would instantly see if he is really getting those comped rooms. Even though clam belly says it’s off peak and they aren’t pizza. The real truth is that I have friends that play well over what mdawg claims and do not get comped at 1/4 of what he purports into his trip diatribes

Quote: Expectedvalue

Then we would instantly see if he is really getting those comped rooms.

You can also look at the room folios he posted, the printed ones and on the TV in the room.

Quote: MDawg

There is no meeting of the minds on the terms of this Challenge. AxelWolf has not even accepted my Challenge as I have proposed it.

Although Wizard and I have both asked that these discussions be conducted privately, AxelWolf keeps having a one sided public conversation with himself. And I mentioned that I blocked some people here, which makes it even more difficult for me to follow what is going on because I assume comments are being made that I don’t even see. I blocked to try to cut down the irrelevant noise and drama.
I did this after reading DeMango’s suggestion.


What is blowing this Challenge are three things: One, is that I actually privately told AxelWolf that I was willing to discuss posting money in advance, and then as soon as I had said that he started pressuring me with posts all over this thread seemingly desperate to get the money up front. When someone says that he’s amenable to discussing something, and the other side seems desperate to make it happen right away, that makes me suspicious. A guy says Okay and the other guy keeps talking? Why? I already said I was not opposed to considering that, what’s the need for all the high pressure talk.

Unless…and this brings me to the second issue, is something Wizard said to me during our phone conversation and reaffirmed via private message, advice that he gave me. Now, both during that conversation and afterwards when he posted here about our conversation, he made it clear that both of us were free to disclose anything that we had discussed. However, in deference to the Wizard’s subsequent wishes that he would rather I not disclose that particular piece of the conversation, I will not.

Nevertheless, even notwithstanding that second issue I was STILL willing to continue with the Challenge until it became clear to me that AxelWolf was just yeah yeah yeahing me with accepting the terms of the Challenge.

How is it clear to me that he hasn’t accepted accepted the terms? Well, for one, I stated days ago that there would be three judges, one appointed by him, one mutually, and one by me, and the decision would have to be unanimous.

He obviously read that, because he started talking about appointing PokerGrinder as a judge, and even later added that he was joking about that choice for his judge. But now he comes in three days later and says that no, he doesn’t want the judges to be unanimous.

Another reason I know he hasn’t accepted the terms, is that although he keeps saying that he agreed to the challenge he states that he doesn’t have to post millions of dollars in markers. That is part of the Challenge as clearly stated

and the fact that he hasn’t even looked at my trip reports other than one post from the early part of this thread, which I have told him more than once, this thread represents just my WOV trip reports starting from a little over a year ago – there are trip reports posted at WOV by me that go back to 2018, which is why he has to produce three years of trip reports, because I have.

If he is not agreeing to post exactly what I proposed in my Challenge, then he is not accepting my challenge.

And then AxelWolf glances at one post of mine (and even states that this is the only post he even looked at closely) and notices that it was slightly out of focus, one post out of hundreds, hundreds that he didn’t even bother to look at, and even though the dollar amounts of the markers on that one picture were still readable as being 5000, 10000 and 20000, he immediately declares that his posts may be out of focus too.

There is no meeting of the minds here. And – this is not a two sided wager with money potentially lost on both sides, this is a unilateral offer with me being the only one with anything monetarily to lose. If you don’t accept my Challenge and my terms in their entirety, you don’t have to undertake it. But you can't complain about ANYTHING until after you accept what I propose. And you haven't.

I accepted the original challenge as you presented it. You have since put calculated road blocks in to block me from moving forward. Letting you hand pick a judge and requiring it to be a unanimous decision is DISHONEST AND WEASALY.

I made a clear joke to another poster when they said you would pick coach belly as a judge. I said in that case my pick is PokerGrinder. A SMILEY FACE CLEARLY INDICATED IT WAS A JOKE. I went on to explain that in a follow up post.

Mike didn't know you had posted up a list of requirements when he suggested it be taken to PM and I don't think he knew that I asked for you to stop PMing me. He didn't know there was only a few main issues to be solved. I'm certain you know Mike generally only reads posts someone brings to his attention and you obviously know this as well. You have been using that knowledge in order manipulate the situation. I have a feeling you suggested to him it was taken to PM knowing I said to only PM me if it's ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY having to do with something obvious. I also think you put the fact that we were miles apart on the terms in his head. How many times have you PM'ed him regarding this.. 10/20/30 ? no doubt long winded messages. I'm sure his head is spinning. I ask that someone else reasonable who's been following explain/give a simple breakdown of this.

Quote: AxelWolf

A SMILEY FACE CLEARLY INDICATED IT WAS A JOKE.

It's only clear if the reader is fluent in Emojian.

Most serious adults aren't.

Quote: AxelWolf

Letting you hand pick a judge and requiring it to be a unanimous decision is DISHONEST AND WEASALY.

No it's not dishonest if those are his stated terms.

Don't like 'em ? Don't participate.

Quote: AxelWolf

I ask that someone else reasonable who's been following explain/give a simple breakdown of this.

I'm happy to oblige...you are welcome in advance.

See if you can grasp the simplicity of this explanation...

MDawg's word is the guarantee.

Good faith would be Axel accepting MDawg's word as a guarantee.

If his word is not good enough, then don't accept the challenge. It's that simple.

If MDawg welches, then there is forum precedent for the consequences of welching.

Is there forum precedent for escrowing thousands in prize money for a challenge of this nature?

Is there precedent for escrowing thousands in wagered money for a member v member bet?

Axel claimed he could fake trip reports that would stand up the the authenticity of what MDawg has posted.

It's obvious that he can't.

So he has spent an extraordinary amount of time arguing and stalling, instead of compiling his fakeries.

If he would have gotten busy preparing the reports, they could have been evaluated, and if found credible then he could have already gotten paid.

CoachBelly said that someone was asking about some proof that I was comp'ed? Yes on the most recent trip I posted the images of the comp at two of the most recent resorts at TruePassage, including the images on the TV screen in the suite for one of the resorts. I think some of the images may have dropped off where I posted them at WOV I just looked and the Imgur images weren't loading properly. If you want the exact URLs of where I posted them about a month ago at TruePassage, ask me, the images are still there at TruePassage.

I also just received this

which I want to emphasize, means NOTHING as far as I am concerned. I am always at the highest tier for rewards cards at any casino I play at. Back in the day, when I played bigger, I received this special solid metal player card at a major casino that was given to only their top fifty players, I was somewhere in that top fifty.

But, let's give an analogy. What's the difference between a green AMEX and a platinum, or Centurion black one for that matter? Absolutely nothing when it comes right down to what really matters - how much you may charge per month. I know crusty old school people who haven't bothered to go beyond green who may charge a million or more in one shot, and not even have AMEX "Call Center" on their green AMEX cards - it just goes right through, and there might be someone with a platinum AMEX who tries to charge much over twenty grand, and AMEX won't even approve it right away without talking to him, if at all.

Similarly here, I don't go by the offers that are emailed to me or the tier of my player card - worrying about that sort of thing is, as one of my hosts once put it, "for the little players." I just call my host and tell him when I'm coming, and then just keep extending until they tell us we need to move along, or I feel like it's time to move along, whichever milestone comes first. This last trip, even after over a month in a thousand a night suite at the same resort, still they would have let us stay longer on a full RFB ride.

When I started playing again in 2018, after my long hiatus, I was one of "the little players" and I got excited just like anyone else as I moved back up the tiers of the player cards, but now, about three years later, all that matters to me - besides getting a full boat RFB ride - is winning.

Well here is a start. This is from the comps thread which precedes this one.

First here is Wizards quick assessment based on what he was told.

Quote: Wizard

Just that he has done well since 2018. I explained to him that with a quarter million credit line and coming home with an average win of $20,000 over nine or ten trips is not that unlikely .

Next here is MDawg stating he only has a $50,000 credit line).
Quoted from here (note he claims he never had higher than that even years earlier when he played larger). Also claims he has gone home a winner EVERY TRIP (and has continued that stance for two years). And at this point he is already claiming to receive three straight weeks comped in the same suite.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/2/#post709157

Quote: MDawg

Granted I am not playing at nearly the same level (back then I'd average a few thousand a hand, nowadays more like a few hundred, although my credit lines are as high or higher than they were back then ($50K) and I WILL play up to a few thousand dollars on a hand

I have gone home a winner after every single trip since returning to gambling in 2018)

Again, I get it, I'm no longer playing as big as I used to, but obviously my play is good enough to get a free suite for three weeks straight in Vegas (which is how long we stayed last trip between Encore and Cosmopolitan),

Here MDawg claims that he used to play $15,000 per hand against a $20,000 credit line AND clock them regularly for six figures!!! And if he did lose, he would just go across the street to negate his losing day.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/2/

Quote: MDawg

Well in the old days my lines were mostly 20-25K (I had one $50K) and I used to play to $15K a hand and clock them for six figures routinely. But I'd also sometimes lose the entire line, and then run across the street to a different casino to win it back immediately.

Here is MDawg description of his strategy.

You can find that here.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/7/

Quote: MDawg

Tiger you play Bacc. so you know what that shoe I played last night means.

Kubikulann evidently knows absolutely nothing about Baccarat or else he would understand that anyone who FAILED to win big on a shoe like that would be as clueless about the game as he apparently is.

My strategy is to wait for such shoes, and play into them, into the runs. If a person cannot "see" that, he might as well just give up gambling now.

Here is a claim MDawg makes about Blackjack which he claims to have been an active card counter in the past (although he admits he got backed off)

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/12/

Quote: MDawg

when I used to play BJ "professionally" I'd even do a 1:100 based on the count and card flow. Yes that means I'd jump from 100 to 10000 table max on BJ if I believed the cards called for it.

That's all for now. I won't go further till the Wizard weighs in. If he requires more I will keep going through the thread.

MDawg has yet to come up with a way to guarantee payment if I succeed, even though he said he would. He hasn't suggested anything reasonable. He wanted to hear my suggestions first, SO HE COULD PORPUSLY REJECT THEM. He knew if he came up with something reasonable, I would accept and he would now have to follow though or be called out.

There's no logical reason not to accept my BTC suggestion, other than lack of funds IMO.

Quote: darkoz

Well here is a start. This is from the comps thread which precedes this one.

First here is Wizards quick assessment based on what he was told.



Next here is MDawg stating he only has a $50,000 credit line. Quoted from here (note he claims he never had higher than that even years earlier when he played larger). Also claims he has gone home a winner EVERY TRIP (and has continued that stance for two years). And at this point he is already claiming to receive three straight weeks comped in the same suite.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/2/#post709157



Here MDawg claims that he used to play $15,000 per hand against a $50,000 credit line AND clock them regularly for six figures!!! And if he did lose, he would just go across the street to negate his losing day.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/2/




Here is MDawg description of his strategy.

You can find that here.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/7/

Quote: MDawg

Tiger you play Bacc. so you know what that shoe I played last night means.

Kubikulann evidently knows absolutely nothing about Baccarat or else he would understand that anyone who FAILED to win big on a shoe like that would be as clueless about the game as he apparently is.

My strategy is to wait for such shoes, and play into them, into the runs. If a person cannot "see" that, he might as well just give up gambling now.

Here is a claim MDawg makes about Blackjack which he claims to have been an active card counter in the past (although he admits he got backed off)

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/12/



That's all for now. I won't go further till the Wizard weighs in. If he requires more I will keep going through the thread.

You must send a Permalink to Mikes PM, he probably won't read this unless brought to his attention.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: darkoz

Well here is a start. This is from the comps thread which precedes this one.

First here is Wizards quick assessment based on what he was told.



Next here is MDawg stating he only has a $50,000 credit line. Quoted from here (note he claims he never had higher than that even years earlier when he played larger). Also claims he has gone home a winner EVERY TRIP (and has continued that stance for two years). And at this point he is already claiming to receive three straight weeks comped in the same suite.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/2/#post709157



Here MDawg claims that he used to play $15,000 per hand against a $50,000 credit line AND clock them regularly for six figures!!! And if he did lose, he would just go across the street to negate his losing day.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/2/




Here is MDawg description of his strategy.

You can find that here.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/7/

Quote: MDawg

Tiger you play Bacc. so you know what that shoe I played last night means.

Kubikulann evidently knows absolutely nothing about Baccarat or else he would understand that anyone who FAILED to win big on a shoe like that would be as clueless about the game as he apparently is.

My strategy is to wait for such shoes, and play into them, into the runs. If a person cannot "see" that, he might as well just give up gambling now.

Here is a claim MDawg makes about Blackjack which he claims to have been an active card counter in the past (although he admits he got backed off)

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/28713-playing-for-comps/12/



That's all for now. I won't go further till the Wizard weighs in. If he requires more I will keep going through the thread.

You must send a Permalink to Mikes PM, he probably won't read this unless brought to his attention.

Done!

You're confused about what was written.

Quote: darkoz

here is MDawg stating he only has a $50,000 credit line

How many casinos does he mention, each where he has a $50K line?

Are you sure that any of what you found would qualify as this?

Quote: Wizard

posts that I would find too incredible to believe.

CoachBelly, DarkOz said that? Did I really need another reason to not read his posts?

My combined casino lines are close to a half a million. I mentioned 250K to the Wizard as a rounded figure based on the casinos I play at more frequently.

And again, getting back to what ChumpChange seemed to be saying once: I don't recommend casino credit unless you are liquid to a tune of quite a magnitude greater than your maximum potential blowout. It's only free money if you win.

Quote: coachbelly

It's only clear if the reader is fluent in Emojian.

Most serious adults aren't.

Id venture to say Most adults nowadays are aware of that. It's even been suggested here that we should do so if you're joking so others who might not know it's a joke can now tell that's the case.
Are you suggesting MD doesn't know this? And if he's used one himself in a joking context what would you say?

Whatever the case, it was obvious and I stated it was a joke soon after MD made a comment about it.

Quote: coachbelly

You can also look at the room folios he posted, the printed ones and on the TV in the room.

All that can be faked.

Quote: AxelWolf

All that can be faked.

Not by you it can't. If you could, you would have posted it already.

Quote: AxelWolf

Id venture to say Most adults nowadays are aware of that.

That's your own fantasy...you don't know what most adults are aware of.

Quote: SOOPOO

Axel.... Read my lips... You will NEVER get paid by MDawg! He WILL NOT guarantee payment in a matter you find suitable, or, will NOT accept a reasonable judging system. THERE WILL NOT BE A CHALLENGE that you will find acceptable in totality, because MDawg will NEVER agree to one!

The above is true, regardless of how many posts you make pointing out why.....

Basically you are indicating he made a disingenuous offer in an attempt to squash the truth about how all his stuff could be faked.

Why would someone go though so much trouble trying to convince people it can't be faked?

Multi Millionaires usually don't care about that kind of stuff.

The point is not whether AxelWolf was joking about appointing PokerGrinder as a judge or not. The point is that this proves that he read my post where I declared the condition of three unanimous judges, and did not object. Not a word of protest.

Until today, a few days later, when he perhaps realized that something had gone wrong with his desperate demands to post the money up front, and the Wizard didn't appear like he was going to enforce his request. Then he apparently started to panic and realized that he had better "qualify" some conditions, and start objecting, as usual.

But up until today, he seemed like he had no problem with anything - as long as the money was posted first.

Quote: coachbelly

That's your own fantasy...you don't know what most adults are aware of.

It really only matters that he was certainly aware it was a joke. And I confirmed it was a joke. I suggested a reasonable method to pick the judges. He selected a way that would pretty much guarantee a favorable outcome for himself. For all I know his pick would be his very own sock puppet. ALL DISINGENUOUS AND WEASLY TERMS.

Quote: MDawg

The point is not whether AxelWolf was joking about appointing PokerGrinder as a judge or not. The point is that this proves that he read my post where I declared the condition of three unanimous judges, and did not object. Not a word of protest.

Until today, a few days later, when he perhaps realized that something had gone wrong with his desperate demands to post the money up front, and the Wizard wasn't going to enforce his request. Then he apparently started to panic and realized that he had better "qualify" some conditions, and start objecting, as usual.

But up until today, he seemed like he had no problem with anything - as long as the money was posted first.

IT DOESN'T PROVE THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T. Go back and read, I responded to someone else who I thought was joking. You're the one who's in a panic and it's OBVIOUS YOU DON'T WANT ME TO PROCEED. It's obvious you're backing out.