The Adventures of MDawg
Quote: AxelWolfAnd little to no downside, Ill make it an upside. Ill pay him $50 extra after 45 days of the money being on deposit.
That's an insulting offer.
Listen up...I think you over-played your hand.
I'm pushing for MDawg to kick you to the curb.
You can save face by accepting the original offer...post the fakery and then get paid if it passes muster.
There's nothing beyond that...MDawg's word is the guarantee.
If that's not good enough for you, then you're disqualified.
If you would have spent as much time putting your fakery together as you spent mucking everything up, then you would have already gotten paid.
So wise up...there may be a next time.
Also who has the time to make another forum and post the way that you do. It just makes sense that you work for someone watching them play and therefor you have unlimited free time
Quote: coachbellyThat's an insulting offer.
Listen up...I think you over-played your hand.
I'm pushing for MDawg to kick you to the curb.
You can save face by accepting the original offer...post the fakery and then get paid if it passes muster.
There's nothing beyond that...MDawg's word is the guarantee.
If that's not good enough for you, then you're disqualified.
If you would have spent as much time putting your fakery together as you spent mucking everything up, then you would have already gotten paid.
So wise up...there may be a next time.
This coming from a guy who said he didn't care if anybody got paid.Quote: coachbellyThat's an insulting offer.
Listen up...I think you over-played your hand.
I'm pushing for MDawg to kick you to the curb.
You can save face by accepting the original offer...post the fakery and then get paid if it passes muster.
There's nothing beyond that...MDawg's word is the guarantee.
If that's not good enough for you, then you're disqualified.
If you would have spent as much time putting your fakery together as you spent mucking everything up, then you would have already gotten paid.
So wise up...there may be a next time.
The only one that needs to save face is him, if he doesn't come up with a way to guarantee payment like he said he would. If by showing I was willing to make a serious attempt by putting up much more that he was ask to, and making a generous offer by guaranteeing the money if anything nefarious happens , paying fees and adding an extra $50 in a situation where he doesn't lose out on any Bitcoin movement is over playing my hand then I agree with you.
It certainly doesn't look like it was an earnest or genuine offer.
Quote: AxelWolfIt certainly doesn't look like it was an earnest or genuine offer.
It absolutely looks like an earnest and genuine offer.
But your offer to put up money is a meaningless distraction, since there never was a bet proposed.
MDawg offered to pay you if you posted fake trip reports to match his real trip reports.
Your guarantee to get paid is his word...there's nothing else necessary.
If that's not good enough, then you are disqualified from participating.
This is the reality, now you need to come to grips with how you messed this all up.
If you would have spent as much time putting your fake trip reports together as you wasted complicating the matter, then this exercise would be over and you would have been paid.
Nobody wants to help you now, you disqualified yourself by being difficult.
And yet, that's not what he's been saying.Quote: coachbelly
Axel will need to act on faith if he intends to participate in this challenge.
And it looks like you and him do not see eye-to-eye on everything considering you said one of my posts was Ludacris and he felt the exact opposite of that.
Quote: AxelWolfThis coming from a guy who said he didn't care if anybody got paid.
That's right...based on what you wrote you're obliged to post your fakery without getting paid.
MDawg generously offered to pay you if your effort passes muster, but you won't cooperate.
So you have disqualified yourself, you have no prospects of getting anything, and you'll get nothing.
You blew it.
Quote: AxelWolfit looks like you and him do not see eye-to-eye on everything
To be clear, I am advising MDawg, not speaking for him.
Wise up.
Quote: AxelWolfAnd yet, that's not what he's been saying.
And it looks like you and him do not see eye-to-eye on everything considering you said one of my posts was Ludacris and he felt the exact opposite of that.
Axelwolf Coach belly whole argument is this.
If you want to have a challenge with MDawg his word is his bond and MDawg should not have to put one single penny up with anyone.
However if you want to have a challenge with MDawg, THEN YOU SHOULD BE FORCED TO PUT UP $50,000 AT THE CASINO CAGE!
You aren't Jewish, Axel and neither is Coach Belly I am sure but we have a word for that.
It's called Chutzpah!
That's just to watch him play.Quote: darkozAxelwolf Coach belly whole argument is this.
If you want to have a challenge with MDawg his word is his bond and MDawg should not have to put one single penny up with anyone.
However if you want to have a challenge with MDawg, THEN YOU SHOULD BE FORCED TO PUT UP $50,000 AT THE CASINO CAGE!
You aren't Jewish, Axel and neither is Coach Belly I am sure but we have a word for that.
It's called Chutzpah!
Was that date Jan 1?
Quote: SOOPOOHasn’t Wizard put a deadline as to when both parties must escrow money? Even if the exact terms have not been agreed to? And if the escrow isn’t put up there are ‘consequences’?
Was that date Jan 1?
Yes!
That's my definition of a Happy New Year!
Quote: darkozYOU SHOULD BE FORCED TO PUT UP $50,000 AT THE CASINO CAGE!
Nobody can be forced to do anything.
Anyone who wishes to participate either willingly complies with the rules or they don't get to play.
If somebody wants something from MDawg, whether it be cash or to watch him play, then they need to comply with MDawg's requirements.
MDawg hasn't required Axel to put any money up for this particular challenge.
Axel's offer to put money up, when there is no requirement from for him to do so, is a hook.
He's using it to gain MDawg's confidence, so that MDawg willingly gives his money away before any requirements are met.
If MDawg gives his money to another party, then he no longer has any leverage, and should consider it lost.
Quote: coachbellyNobody can be forced to do anything.
Anyone who wishes to participate either willingly complies with the rules or they don't get to play.
If somebody wants something from MDawg, whether it be cash or to watch him play, then they need to comply with MDawg's requirements.
MDawg hasn't required Axel to put any money up for this particular challenge.
Axel's offer to put money up, when there is no requirement from for him to do so, is a hook.
He's using it to gain MDawg's confidence, so that MDawg willingly gives his money away before any requirements are met.
If MDawg gives his money to another party, then he no longer has any leverage, and should consider it lost.
That implies MDawg is attempting some type of con job.
Are you speaking for MDawg?
If there is a valid wager with an unknown outcome (Axel will either succeed or fail) then what type of leverage (your word) would MDawg need?
The whole aspect of a wager is that the loser will pay upon a decision. Not retain some type of leverage to wriggle out of his responsibility
Quote: darkozThat implies MDawg is attempting some type of con job.
You seem confused.
There is no wager, Axel is not required to put up any money.
So what do you imagine that MDawg could gain from a con?
Quote: darkozAre you speaking for MDawg?
I answered this earlier. No I am not speaking for MDawg. I am advising him.
Quote: darkozThe whole aspect of a wager is that the loser will pay upon a decision. Not retain some type of leverage to wriggle out of his responsibility
There is no wager. This has been explained many times. Wise up.
If MDawg posts the prize money before all the details are agreed upon, then he has no negotiating leverage for the details, and he risks not being able to recover his money if the parties can't come to an agreement on the details.
Quote: coachbelly
If MDawg gives his money to another party, then he no longer has any leverage, and should consider it lost.
This is a clear shot at the Wizard who has said he would hold the money from both parties in escrow. To be CLEAR, are you saying if MDawg gives the Wizard $5k to hold until the bet has been completed, that the money is lost regardless of the result of the bet? That the Wizard will keep the $5k?
Quote: SOOPOOThis is a clear shot at the Wizard who has said he would hold the money from both parties in escrow. To be CLEAR, are you saying if MDawg gives the Wizard $5k to hold until the bet has been completed, that the money is lost regardless of the result of the bet? That the Wizard will keep the $5k?
Not only is it a dig at the Wizard but common sense.
Apparently regardless of who wins the money, according to coach this isn't a monetary wager.
Anybody make any sense of this?
Quote: darkozApparently regardless of who wins the money, according to coach this isn't a monetary wager.
What money does MDawg win if Axel can't successfully complete the challenge?
$50 if he actually puts up the 5k for 45 days.Quote: coachbellyWhat money does MDawg win if Axel can't successfully complete the challenge?
It's call earnest/good faith money to show he actually has the money to pay and he's making a legit offer and isn't just trolling the forum with BS.
MDawg has made it seem as if he's mega rich(million's in BTC alone) so sending a measly 5k should be almost nothing to him.
Quote: SOOPOOThis is a clear shot at the Wizard who has said he would hold the money
The parties haven't agreed that a bagman will be required, that's one of the details that need to be negotiated and agreed upon.
But Axel wants the prize money posted before the details are agreed upon.
I'm advising MDawg not to post any prize money.
Axel already has a guarantee that he'll be paid if successful, and he risks nothing in his attempt.
If MDawg's word is not a good enough guarantee for Axel, then he (Axel) can choose not to participate.
What's so difficult to understand about that?
Quote: AxelWolf$50 if he actually puts up the 5k for 45 days.
He's offering to pay you $5K to do what you claimed that you could do.
I don't think $50 will persuade him to deposit the prize money, when you already have his guarantee.
It's call earnest/good faith money to show he actually has the money to pay and he's making a legit offer and isn't just trolling the forum with BS.Quote: coachbellyHe's offering to pay you $5K to do what you claimed that you could do.
I don't think $50 will persuade him to deposit the prize money, when you already have his guarantee.
MDawg has made it seem as if he's mega rich(million's in BTC alone) so sending a measly 5k should be almost nothing to him.
I didn't realize this was about the money to him...
Quote: AxelWolfIt's call earnest/good faith money
Good faith works both ways and doesn't require money.
The money that you put up is called the hook.
You're the one who made the BS claim that this challenge is about.
The good faith was MDawg's offer to motivate you to actually do what you claimed that you could do.
Quote: coachbellyHe's offering to pay you $5K to do what you claimed that you could do.
I don't think $50 will persuade him to deposit the prize money, when you already have his guarantee.
LOL!!!! His 'guarantee'!!!!! You think that an anonymous poster on an internet forum can make a real 'guarantee'?!?!?
The ENTIRE premise of this challenge is that Axel believes MDawg has fabricated his 'story', and that Axel can fabricate one as well!
The ONLY way his guarantee can mean ANYTHING is by putting up the money to a TRUSTED 'bag man'. If you don't trust the Wizard to return MDawg's money if Axel fails, then please leave Wizard's house! (This forum)
January 1...... tic toc
Quote: coachbellyGood faith works both ways and doesn't require money.
The money that you put up is called the hook.
You're the one who made the BS claim that this challenge is about.
The Wizard has given a deadline for MDawg to put the money up or risk being banned from the sight.
Axel has already put his money up.
Coach, In the end your favorite poster on here, either puts up or will be de facto shut up!
Quote: darkozIn the end your favorite poster on here, either puts up or will be de facto shut up!
I believe that you are mistaken.
Quote: SOOPOOYou think that an anonymous poster on an internet forum can make a real 'guarantee'? If you don't trust the Wizard to return MDawg's money if Axel fails, then please leave Wizard's house!
Yes, a forum member can make a guarantee, and suffer a penalty if he welches.
Hasn't that happened here before?
I completely disagree with your "ONLY way" assertion, and decline your rude request to leave.
The details , including the identity of the bagman, have not been agreed upon.
I'm advising MDawg not to post any prize money until all the details are agreed upon.
Quote: darkozThe Wizard has given a deadline for MDawg to put the money up or risk being banned from the 𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵
he's going to be banned from the 𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵..................?
you mean he's going to be blinded..........?
sorry dude, I couldn't resist..................................................................(-:\
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Quote: lilredroosterhe's going to be banned from the 𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵..................?
you mean he's going to be blinded..........?
sorry dude, I couldn't resist..................................................................(-:\
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This thread is hurting my sight.
I was probably in a rush. Also half the misused words I write come from damn spell check trying to anticipate what I am writing
I advise MDawg not to take advice from a guy who said he doesn't care if anyone gets paid or not.Quote: coachbelly
I'm advising MDawg not to post any prize money until all the details are agreed upon.
I get the feeling you would take joy in seeing someone get stiffed especially me or any Advantage Player, math guy or someone who is generally logical. You have a pattern of allying with people who come up with BS and those who make highly unlikely extraordinary claims.
I know you and MDawg are in cahoots in private.
Quote: coachbellyQuote: darkoz
In the end your favorite poster on here, either puts up or will be de facto shut up!
I believe that you are mistaken.
Actually, that is exactly what Wizard said.
That's a better fate than how I read it to be... He will be banned from the sight (of everyone). AKA "disapperaed." ;)Quote: lilredroosterhe's going to be banned from the 𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵..................?
you mean he's going to be blinded..........?
sorry dude, I couldn't resist..................................................................(-:\
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No worries, DarkOz. Everyone is betrayed by AutoCorrect at one time or another. Some of the biggest chuckles I get around here are (I assume) from AutoCorrect.Quote: darkozThis thread is hurting my sight.
I was probably in a rush. Also half the misused words I write come from damn spell check trying to anticipate what I am writing
Like the guy who was trying to say that someone could win a 'bazillon' at some game, but it actually came out "someone could win a Brazilian!"
And who was it that recently asked for a "cleavage message?"
Quote: AxelWolfI know you and MDawg are in cahoots in private.
In cahoots for what purpose?
The only extraordinary claim is yours, that anyone would be so deranged as to contemplate concocting years of fabricated trip reports, documents and photos.
I advise MDawg to reject any advice from any individual whose sole purpose in this thread is to insult him, and shamefully cloak the insults by mincing words, so that they can remain barely within the bounds of forum protocol.
As for your feelings...they are insults resulting from manifestations of paranoia.
Quote: coachbellyIn cahoots for what purpose?
The only extraordinary claim is yours, that anyone would be so deranged as to contemplate concocting years of fabricated trip reports, documents and photos.
I advise MDawg to reject any advice from any individual whose sole purpose in this thread is to insult him, and shamefully cloak the insults by mincing words, so that they can remain barely within the bounds of forum protocol.
As for your feelings...they are insults resulting from manifestations of paranoia.
I'm going to quote Soopoo here.
Tick tock tick tock
I don't know, you tell me.? You're the one engaging in private conversations with him.Quote: coachbellyIn cahoots for what purpose?
My money (double the amount of MD's and what was required by Mike is on deposit.
tick tock.
Quote: AxelWolfMy money is on deposit.
Double the money when you're not even wagering anything?
That makes you look desperate to set the hook.
Are you sure Mike's still on board with all this?
His last post sounded pretty supportive of MD.
Quote: coachbellyDouble the money when you're not even wagering anything?
That makes you look desperate to set the hook.
Are you sure Mike's still on board with all this?
His last post sounded pretty supportive of MD.
Tick tock
Quote: darkozTick tock
Your Cracker Jack prize timepiece may not last long enough for the clock to run out on MD.
We'll see in a couple of weeks.
Maybe you can outbid Axel for Mike's watch so you'll have a backup just in case.
Desperate to hook what? I was tired of this not moving forward and hearing all talk and no action so I did something to show I was ready to move forward. Go back and you'll see the only thing he has really done is make a challenge that's not looking genuine. He was supposed to come up with some legitimate way to guarantee payment if successful (he said he would) And a list of legit people who could judge.Quote: coachbellyDouble the money when you're not even wagering anything?
That makes you look desperate to set the hook.
Are you sure Mike's still on board with all this?
His last post sounded pretty supportive of MD.
He himself said it would be ridiculous for him to judge himself.
One idea I proposed to MDawg in our call yesterday was an attorney quiz. The details would need to be negotiated, but it would be a pop quiz that an attorney should be able to pass and a layman not. What this might accomplish is to mitigate the doubt that MDawg is truthful in claiming his is an attorney. How would both sides feel about doing this instead?
Quote: WizardI have spoken to both parties and I think there is very little agreement or understanding about what a challenge is to be based on. I recommend MDawg and Axel PM each other to figure this out. To be honest, the parties are so far apart from a meeting of the minds that I wonder if throwing out a deadline was fair of me.
One idea I proposed to MDawg in our call yesterday was an attorney quiz. The details would need to be negotiated, but it would be a pop quiz that an attorney should be able to pass and a layman not. What this might accomplish is to mitigate the doubt that MDawg is truthful in claiming his is an attorney. How would both sides feel about doing this instead?
Considering the years MDawg has been posting challenges on here with demands for upfront money deposited at cages or whatnot, my opinion is it's very fair.
If other posters believe it's fair please leave a thank you or add your own comment
Quote: darkozadd your own comment
Maybe you should consider making a bid on that watch.
Quote: WizardI wonder if throwing out a deadline was fair of me.
Quote: AxelWolfHe was supposed to come up with some legitimate way to guarantee payment if successful
I think he intends to do that after the details of the challenge are agreed upon, not before...which is what you are demanding. That's the current impasse.
The Wizard is obviously correct in his assessment of the situation
Quote: WizardI think there is very little agreement or understanding about what a challenge is to be based on.
Quote: ExpectedvalueIf one party doesn’t have it then game over.
The spectators don't get to decide when the game is over.
Quote: ExpectedvalueThe room alone type that he gets would be 30-40 percent of his available line.
Not if the hotel and casino are empty due to a pandemic.
