The Adventures of MDawg
Quote: coachbellyThe current $ challenges all revolve around MDawg's claims of past results.
Doubters are insisting that MDawg's claims of high-level play are false, and his claims of past winnings are false.
If you're conceding that he could have gotten lucky and won as he claims, then yes that doesn't prove anything, and therefore that doesn't prove his claims to be false.
I'm not aware of any $ bet proposed that MDawg can win while being observed, or will win in the future.
You should offer one, and see if MDawg accepts.
What MDawg has provided is a no-risk opportunity for anybody to witness his play, including the Wizard as far as I can tell.
My understanding is that they are privately discussing it.
I wouldn't expect either party to divulge the details of their private discussions, I've read that's bad form.
So we'll have to wait for both to announce whatever agreement they come to.
If I report I won 25 times and leave out the 30 times I lost the same amount, then technically I am accurate in saying I won 25 times.
I would still be an overall loser
That's pretty much what MDawg is doing.
Can he prove won 25 times. Sure. Doesn't make him a winner at Baccarat.
He could even prove he is an overall winner at XYZ casino. Meanwhile he has lost more at ABC casino.
These past performance claims are so easily faked that only future performance counts.
If you and MDawg claim future performance is something he can't guarantee and he may lose then the issue of whether MDawg can beat Baccarat has already been conceded on his part. He got lucky a few times, he can't guarantee he will get lucky again and since his last claims could be deficient of full disclosure or evidence or simply manipulated, I don't care what he has won or claimed to have won in the past.
He hasn't beaten Baccarat as he claims and can't prove it to my satisfaction. But he could manipulate evidence. Of that I am quite satisfied of
Quote: coachbelly
Doubters are insisting that MDawg's claims of high-level play are false, and his claims of past winnings are false.
He may play high level, he may have won
but
His strategy is to give the house a bigger edge.
No wonder they want him back
ROTFL
Casinos beg for players that deviate from optimal strategy
Donations to the casino is the only logical conclusion
Quote: darkozI don't care what he has won or claimed to have won in the past.
LOL...you don't care?...yeah, right.
Quote: darkozHe hasn't beaten Baccarat as he claims and can't prove it to my satisfaction. But he could manipulate evidence
Well that disqualifies you from being a judge, the judges can't be advised beforehand the evidence is faked.
Quote: terapinedHe may play high level, he may have won
That's exactly what he has claimed.
Others insist that's not true, and can't be true.
It's clear which side of the fence you're on in this dispute.
Quote: coachbellyThat's exactly what he has claimed.
Others insist that's not true, and can't be true.
It's clear which side of the fence you're on in this dispute.
Winning sometimes is a given
High roller maybe
Winning consistently in the long run at a game with essentially no strategy. Impossible
I love strategy games.
Love video poker
I have to think which is a big part of the fun.
Yea I play bingo but that's when I dont feel like thinking. Isn't Baccarat the same? Can't really do bad if I dont like thinking about a bet.
Now since VP is a strategy game, I can give the casino a bigger edge but I choose not to
Now Baccarat
Is there any strategy????????
Can I lose more giving the casino a bigger advantage and keeping my bet the same
Isn't it just like bingo, no thinking really involved that will give the house a big advantage
As opposed to say BJ where I hit on 17 or higher is giving the house a huge advantage or hitting on 16 when I see the house has a 6
Quote: terapinedWinning sometimes is a given
High roller maybe
Winning consistently in the long run at a game with essentially no strategy. Impossible
I love strategy games.
Love video poker
I have to think which is a big part of the fun.
Yea I play bingo but that's when I dont feel like thinking. Isn't Baccarat the same? Can't really do bad if I dont like thinking about a bet.
Now since VP is a strategy game, I can give the casino a bigger edge but I choose not to
Now Baccarat
Is there any strategy????????
Can I lose more giving the casino a bigger advantage and keeping my bet the same
Isn't it just like bingo, no thinking really involved that will give the house a big advantage
As opposed to say BJ where I hit on 17 or higher is giving the house a huge advantage or hitting on 16 when I see the house has a 6
The house edge remains the same for Player, Banker, Tie regardless of size of bet
Quote: terapinedWinning consistently in the long run at a game with essentially no strategy. Impossible
I don't think MDawg has reached the long run yet. I think the length of his latest adventures are less than 2 years.
Quote: teliotA few years back I was asked to investigate a baccarat player who had won tens of millions of dollars from a casino as a consistent winner over a period close to 3 years. He was a high-roller, with a maximum bet on baccarat of about $125,000. Those in management who were savvy about risk understood that this person was most likely just lucky, but few in upper management believed them. So they called in the experts.
I was among a small handful of experts who were hired to scrutinize how this person played and give a risk assessment. The casino kept careful records of each session of play. I also looked at video footage, inspected the cards, looked at the room where it happened, talked to dealers and did everything else you can imagine someone who is investigating a large financial loss might do. Without fail, every single person who looked at this player came to the same conclusion that I did -- he was lucky.
Quote: coachbellyI don't think MDawg has reached the long run yet. I think the length of his latest adventures are less than 2 years.
And that's perfectly fine.
Is MDawg claiming he is just lucky?
He has no methods to win and will most likely be a lifetime loser in the long run?
Nowadays, post hiatus, I don’t play as big but I win more consistently.
Short term and lifetime casino winner here.
Quote: coachbellyI find your statement above contradictory as it stands.
What is the only thing that matters?
What discussion you mean, that previous play is meaningless?
Meaningless in terms of judging whether he’s playing at an advantage. It’s just a claim right now. It’s no longer just a claim after Wizard watches and either confirms or refutes the claim. Is this difficult to understand?
Quote: darkozIs MDawg claiming he is just lucky?
He has no methods to win and will most likely be a lifetime loser in the long run?
Yes I think in his hand-by-hand trip reports he said he got lucky, and has said he was lucky catching shoes with long banker or player runs.
His methods seem to include a betting strategy for the streaky shoes.
This thread's eponymous "adventures" refers to past events, that's what caused the apoplectic indignation of the doubters...what MDawg reported has happened bothers them. Too bad for them, huh?
I can't comment on his future results, I don't know how much if any future play there will be.
Deposit money in the cage and go watch him play if you don't believe him, stop trying to get others to do your dirty work for you.
Quote: coachbellyDeposit money in the cage and go watch him play if you don't believe him, stop trying to get others to do your dirty work for you.
If a trip of mine and MDawg’s to Vegas ever lined up, I would be happy to meet up and play with him or watch him play. Happy to show him a $50k credit line at whatever the casino is, if that was part of needing to establish bona fides.
Quote: TDVegasIs this difficult to understand?
I wasn't participating in a discussion about whether or not he's playing at an advantage.
I was discussing previous play, so no I didn't understand your reply to my quote...
Quote: coachbellyNone of these challenges can be resolved by future play
Quote: TDVegasPrevious play is meaningless as it relates to this discussion.
Quote: unJonHappy to show him a $50k credit line at whatever the casino is, if that was part of needing to establish bona fides.
That's the spirit.
Hope you 2 can work something out.
Quote: coachbellyYes I think in his hand-by-hand trip reports he said he got lucky, and has said he was lucky catching shoes with long banker or player runs.
His methods seem to include a betting strategy for the streaky shoes.
This thread's eponymous "adventures" refers to past events, that's what caused the apoplectic indignation of the doubters...what MDawg reported has happened bothers them. Too bad for them, huh?
I can't comment on his future results, I don't know how much if any future play there will be.
Deposit money in the cage and go watch him play if you don't believe him, stop trying to get others to do your dirty work for you.
I don't need to watch him play if his only challenge is that he wagers big and occasionally gets lucky.
I play big too, $200 a spin, and I button mash so easily do thousands of dollars per minute coin-in. So what?
If MDawg is just saying he hasn't beaten Baccarat. He is a bit lucky to date that is basically nothing special claimed.
I certainly don't need to put $50,000 deposit into a cage to watch a guys play -ev with no guarantee he can make a winning day
This is going off in too many directions. If we talk about one thing it seem as if Mdawg brings up something else. Let's take one step at a time. There is no reason to discuss who will be the judge of the evidence or anything until we know Mdawg had the ability to pay 5k and he is serious about his offer. Here is what I propose. I'll leave 10k on deposit with Mike within the next week as good faith that im serious about making an attempt (assuming that's ok with Mike and he is available) Mdawg has 2 weeks to deposit a measly 5K with Mike. We leave the money with Mike for 3 weeks while we come up with a list of judges or designate someone to come up with a reasonable tasks that need to be completed and work out the details including a way to guarantee payment. At the end of the 3 weeks, for whatever reason, he and I can take back our money without penalty. If we come up with some reasonable terms we can just keep the money with Mike. What do you sat Mdawg? The ball is in your court. Assuming its ok with The Wizard I'm just going to go ahead with it either way.Quote: coachbellyIt seems like Axel is prepared to move forward compiling his set of faked evidence as soon as both parties consent to the bagman.
But the bagman need not be one of the judges.
I'm assuming there are experts that can verify the authenticity of images, for collectibles and such.
But MDawg intends to include in-person interviews with casino personnel as part of his evidence.
I'm not sure if Axel will be able to convince any Wynn executives to consent to dispensing false information on his behalf, although Axel seems certain that MDawg can convince them to do that on his behalf.
These are among the issues for the judges to consider.
Axel hasn't answered whether or not he would accept you as a judge, but its doesn't seem that Axel is willing to accept the legitimacy of any judges....and that's a dealbreaker for sure.
Quote: darkozI don't need to watch him play if his only challenge is that he wagers big and occasionally gets lucky.
Good for you.
What else do you need from him? I'll pass the request along.
Quote: coachbellyGood for you.
What else do you need from him? I'll pass the request along.
Why? He doesn't read his own thread any longer?
Quote: darkozWhy? He doesn't read his own thread any longer?
I don't know when or if he reads his own thread.
Just want to make sure he gets your request ASAP, so that there's a chance of it being resolved before COVID is eradicated.
Quote: coachbellyI don't know when or if he reads his own thread.
Just want to make sure he gets your request ASAP, so that there's a chance of it being resolved before COVID is eradicated.
If dawg says jump
Does coach ask how high?
Seems weird. Mdawg lives on this forum and you want to make sure he gets a request???????
WTF
Quote: coachbellyI don't know when or if he reads his own thread.
Just want to make sure he gets your request ASAP, so that there's a chance of it being resolved before COVID is eradicated.
What request?
I made no request.
I said I didn't need to watch him play.
According to you he just plays big. So what?
Don't need to watch that. It proves nothing except he plays big.
According to you he can't predict if he is going to win because that's future play.
And I am only interested in watching someone who claims he can win in the future.
Quote: terapinedMdawg lives on this forum and you want to make sure he gets a request?
Don't fret, I'm just trying to move the process along in a timely manner.
Quote: darkozDon't need to watch that.
I agree.
Quote: MDawgStill it somewhat reminds me of when we used to ride around in my parents' Rolls as teenagers and once some guy said "Daddy's Rolls" as we pulled through by a night club.
My guess is Mdawg is well off, not sure how much is from his own accord though. Certainly had or has wealthy parents if they truly had a Rolls. But I am sure of one thing. Ain't Mike or anyone going to be "allowed" to ever watch him play
Quote: Johnzimbo
My guess is he isn't and whatever he is flashing around doesn't belong to him.Quote: Johnzimbo
My guess is Mdawg is well offThat's what I have been basically saying from the start. It's been how any years now that not one legitimate, or anyone has ever meet him that anyone knows?Quote: JohnzimboBut I am sure of one thing. Ain't Mike or anyone going to be "allowed" to ever watch him play
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
If that were only true.Quote: coachbellyDon't fret, I'm just trying to move the process along in a timely manner.
Why is that a requirement? Doesn't it sound suspiciously odd to you?Quote: coachbelly
Deposit money in the cage and go watch him play if you don't believe him, stop trying to get others to do your dirty work for you.
Quote: AxelWolfWhy is that a requirement? Doesn't it sound suspiciously odd to you?
No it doesn't sound suspicious to me. This been explained several times by MDawg himself.
He prefers the observers to be of minimal substance, this is how they can easily establish their standing without financial risk.
It's a matter of preference and choice...his preference, your choice. Take it or leave it.
You have declined to participate, but you won't leave it alone. That strikes me as odd.
It's also odd that members would give this guy grief over his trip reports, and then become hostile towards anybody who won't pile on.
Quote: coachbellyMy focus is on whether or not MDawg's claims of having won are possible, and whether or not those who accuse him of lying can prove that he is lying.
I don't believe that they are able to prove that he is lying, but I encourage them to try harder.
The accusations are stale, ample opportunity to prove lying have been presented.
Having accused him, they are now obligated to prove him guilty as charged.
Put up or shut up.
It appears to me that most anyone posting trip reports or attempting to, gets immediately jumped on and surrounded by everyone else who does not. Along with every single anti positive innuendo that can be humanely expressed will be against the O.P.
That is one thing I have not figured out in the short time I've been around these forums. I would have to compare it to saying I ate at a restaurant and my food was not very good a while back. Someone else goes to that same restaurant and says how great the food was and I just stick to my guns saying how bad it was a year or two ago and I refuse to go back to the place because it is absolutely horrible.
Maybe I was wrong? Maybe I viewed it wrong? Maybe I interpreted wrong? Possibly somebody else is right even though I don't want to admit it.
See what I mean?
Quote: Marcusclark66I would have to compare it to saying I ate at a restaurant and my food was not very good a while back. Someone else goes to that same restaurant and says how great the food was and I just stick to my guns saying how bad it was a year or two ago and I refuse to go back to the place because it is absolutely horrible.
You are being very diplomatic.
I would be more like you, having given a bad review, characterizing the good review as faked, insisting it's impossible that the food was great, and calling other reviewer a liar and most likely a shill for the restaurant.
Can you cite any examples of this other than MDawg's reports? I have posted several trip reports here, and have read most of them posted by others in the almost 7 years I have been a part of the forum.Quote: Marcusclark66It appears to me that most anyone posting trip reports or attempting to, gets immediately jumped on and surrounded by everyone else who does not. Along with every single anti positive innuendo that can be humanely expressed will be against the O.P.
I can only think of one poster who may have left negative comments in the occasional TR (I have not seen him post in the MDawg thread), but I would say that the vast majority (99%+) of TR's here are received positively.
Why does the money have to be on deposit at the casino of his choice? That makes no sense, there are many other ways to establish their standing without financial risk. The problem we have is that it opens up the person whos making the deposit to a situation where all their details could be given to him. I explained this before... it has happened before and will happen again.Quote: coachbellyNo it doesn't sound suspicious to me. This been explained several times by MDawg himself.
He prefers the observers to be of minimal substance, this is how they can easily establish their standing without financial risk.
It's a matter of preference and choice...his preference, your choice. Take it or leave it.
You have declined to participate, but you won't leave it alone. That strikes me as odd.
It's also odd that members would give this guy grief over his trip reports, and then become hostile towards anybody who won't pile on.
I have a feeling MD is going to dawg out for a while. He hasn't responded to my proposal.
Quote: AxelWolfWhy does the money have to be on deposit at the casino of his choice?
Because it's MDawg's ball, so he makes the rules.
You don't like the rules, then don't play the game.
Quote: AxelWolfThe problem we have is that it opens up the person whos making the deposit to a situation where all their details could be given to him.
Do casinos give out details about one player to other players?
I have a hard time getting them to tell me where my wife is playing when I can't find her.
What details do you mean?
Quote: AxelWolfI have a feeling MD is going to dawg out for a while. He hasn't responded to my proposal.
Did you get the money over to Mike yet, and get started preparing whatever you plan to present?
Quote: AxelWolfAssuming its ok with The Wizard I'm just going to go ahead with it either way.
Not normally. But, YES, it happens. I know hosts will do it for the right people who ask, especially , if it's a host from a different casino. You just have to be a personal friend of a host or even one of his good customers. It could be some other casino employee. Casino employees are easily duped into doing things they shouldn't. For example: One looks up the name of an executive host at another major property(or someone pretends to be an independent host) and pretends to be him. He makes a call over to the Wynn and makes up some story. Something like this... Hey this is Andy Fox from over at MGM, we believe you guys had a player who deposited 50k recently, as he did with us. We have since found some discrepancies with his information among some other suspicious activities. He's claiming his name is Jack Jones using the DOB of 1/ 16/1988 SS#557-87-5609. I doubt this will be of any help, but this is his players card number here 0091168111 There may be some fraud issues, I don't want to see either of us get burned or in trouble with NGC. Can you tell us what name he used over there so we can compare, he may have used other names here as well.Quote: coachbellyBecause it's MDawg's ball, so he makes the rules.
You don't like the rules, then don't play the game.
Do casinos give out details about one player to other players?
I have a hard time getting them to tell me where my wife is playing when I can't find her.
What details do you mean?
This gives them a sense of urgency, no time to really think about the fact that they are giving out someones information or wonder if you are real, and it makes it look as if you are trying to help them out. It makes it seem as if you gave them information only someone legit would have. Sure it's a far fetched scenario's, but there are sooo many ways it could be possible that are much easier.
Has it been a week yet? My bet is he will suddenly have business to take care of for a while and goes MIA.Quote: coachbellyDid you get the money over to Mike yet, and get started preparing whatever you plan to present?
Quote: AxelWolfCan you tell us what name he used over there so we can compare
These are the details that you're worrying about...your name?
You wanna watch a guy bet millions at Bac, and you don't want him to know your name?
OK...whatever. His ball, his rules.
Quote: AxelWolfHas it been a week yet?
I asked if you got the money over to Mike yet, it's a yes or no question, how does the date affect the answer?
I probably owe somebody a drink or a light lunch, so let me offer a free-roll:Quote: coachbellyThese are the details that you're worrying about...your name?
You wanna watch a guy bet millions at Bac, and you don't want him to know your name?
OK...whatever. His ball, his rules.
If MDawg meets with AxelWolf, Wizard, or another member of my choosing and identifies himself to that member's satisfaction, with say a business card proving that he's a lawyer, then I will send $50 to that member towards the cost of their lunch. Oh, and maybe they could send me a selfie enjoying that drink.
Deadline. 23:59 Jan 31st 2021 (I'm open to changing the offer)
If that doesn't happen. It won't happen. I'll donate that value to a charity of my choosing. I have nothing to gain financially.
No need for anyone to witness any wagering. Just a cosy little meet-up and friendly introductions.
Quote: OnceDearIf MDawg meets with AxelWolf, Wizard, or another member of my choosing and identifies himself to that member's satisfaction, with say a business card proving that he's a lawyer, then I will send $50 to that member towards the cost of their lunch.
Jack Walsh is the man for this, but Marvin Dorfler will probably do it for $25.
Too subtle for me, but I did love THX1138 (Which i once used as a film title to win a game of hangman)Quote: coachbellyJack Walsh is the man for this, but Marvin Dorfler will probably do it for $25.
The offer stands.
OD, Walsh and Dorfler are characters from the film Midnight Run.Quote: OnceDearToo subtle for me
It's a fun movie, and appropriately for this forum, has some Vegas scenes.
They could get much more than your name, they could get your full details including your address and SS. AND HE'S NOT BETTING MILLIONS, NOT EVEN CLOSE. theres nothing to say someone wouldn't deposit the 50k and MDawg never even plays a hand and comes up with some excuse or fakes an emergency. I don't think he even has a ball.Quote: coachbellyThese are the details that you're worrying about...your name?
You wanna watch a guy bet millions at Bac, and you don't want him to know your name?
OK...whatever. His ball, his rules.
U asked me in a matter of hours after I posted this, i said within a week. It will get done when im good and ready, assuming he is available.Quote: coachbellyI asked if you got the money over to Mike yet, it's a yes or no question, how does the date affect the answer?
On the other hand, all AxelWolf has done within my threads at WOV is make offers, claims and wagers, and not follow through. He offered to buy a watch sight unseen, not caring what brand it was, then without knowing anything more, later backed off by saying he would buy it only, "if it was a good deal."
He came on here and posted that he was willing to go to the trouble to fake all my same pictures and posts to mimic my trip reports, and then, after I even offered him $5000. to do what he had apparently been willing to do for free, he created some qualifiers, for something he appeared willing to do on his own for nothing.
And then he challenged two forum members to monetary bets that I don't even play as I post in my trip reports, but when pressed as to how much he was willing to wager, he said $50. absent - surprise - some qualifiers he wants to impose.
So...the one that keeps saying things and doesn't follow through appears to be AxelWolf, not me.
Which is why I ask him again, to go back, think things through carefully, and then propose EXACTLY what he is willing to wager and what his qualifiers and conditions are. Enough of this AxelWolf making proposals then backing off from them.
One dog goes one way and
the other goes the other. So what?
Quote: MDawgI go to Vegas regularly. When I go I post my trip reports either here or at TruePassage. That's how I follow through with my action.
On the other hand, all AxelWolf has done within my threads at WOV is make offers, claims and wagers, and not follow through. He offered to buy a watch sight unseen, not caring what brand it was, then without knowing anything more, later backed off by saying he would buy it only, "if it was a good deal."
He came on here and posted that he was willing to go to the trouble to fake all my same pictures and posts to mimic my trip reports, and then, after I even offered him $5000. to do what he had apparently been willing to do for free, he created some qualifiers, for something he appeared willing to do on his own for nothing.
And then he challenged two forum members to monetary bets that I don't even play as I post in my trip reports, but when pressed as to how much he was willing to wager, he said $50. absent - surprise - some qualifiers he wants to impose.
So...the one that keeps saying things and doesn't follow through appears to be AxelWolf, not me.
Which is why I ask him again, to go back, think things through carefully, and then propose EXACTLY what he is willing to wager and what his qualifiers and conditions are. Enough of this AxelWolf making proposals then backing off from them.
Do you play?
Did you read the wizards Bac page. I did. I always play optimal strategy. Why dont you?
Do you actually deviate from optimal strategy?
Do you actually give the the house a bigger edge?
From your trip reports giving the house a bigger edge. Why give the house an advantage against you.
No way you let anybody see that action that's embarrassing
If I'm playing video poker in front of the wizard or anybody, I'm playing optimal strategy
Anything else would be embarrassing
Everything he posts on this subject of Baccarat, or MDawg, is not worth commenting on. I mean come on, why comment to a guy who already has his mind made up based on what he heard from someone else?
One dog goes one way and
the other goes the other. So what?
.Quote: terapinedDo you play?
Did you read the wizards Bac page. I did. I always play optimal strategy. Why dont you?
Do you actually deviate from optimal strategy?
Do you actually give the the house a bigger edge?
From your trip reports giving the house a bigger edge. Why give the house an advantage against you.
No way you let anybody see that action that's embarrassing
If I'm playing video poker in front of the wizard or anybody, I'm playing optimal strategy
Anything else would be embarrassing
Hey Ed... thanks for SMG!
MD believes that he can take advantage of streaks and patterns. He has shown pictures of a shoe with lots of Players in a row and pointed out how much money he made by riding the streak. I can assure you he would not be embarrass by betting on Player when the streak tells him to do so.
I play negative EV games and (rarely, but not never) deviate from basic strategy, but would not be embarrassed in the least. My money, my choice.
If you are not embarrassed to play baccarat at all, then there should be no additional embarrassment by playing Player when the urge hits you.
Hey MD.... what are your thoughts on ABNB and DASH?
