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December 6th, 2020 at 1:21:37 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Interesting comment. Just shy of coherence, but I suppose it means something to you. [/q

What t Eliot missed is how much more unlikely this all becomes when you factor in the amount of tipping you say you do. On top of the fact that every casino you play at supposedly has unlimited tolerance for you winning and continues to welcome you and comp you

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December 6th, 2020 at 3:39:14 PM permalink
There will always come a time that a casino becomes uncomfortable with someoneís play....to the point that if they canít figure out why a player is winning consistently beyond luck, they will pull the plug. The casino isnít anyoneís ATM machine. When or where that point happens is an unknown and likely a subjective call by management. I presume different casinos will have different thresholds.

They wonít necessarily accuse cheating or anything else. They might just say they are uncomfortable with the play.

My guess continues to be he wins and he loses, heís not playing advantage baccarat and the chances that heís even net positive over decades of play is near nil.
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December 6th, 2020 at 5:26:41 PM permalink
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Ask a Gambling and Casino Expert Anything! 12.05.2020 - Advanced Advantage Play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfs5rQgJsv4&t=1665s

Thanks for the link, I was surprised at the quality of the questions people asked. I'll probably do it again this coming weekend. I especially loved the person in chat who said he knew more about baccarat than I do. I thought I had the corner on arrogance.
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December 6th, 2020 at 6:56:49 PM permalink
I've never sat down at a Baccarat table, so it wasn't me.
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December 6th, 2020 at 7:03:26 PM permalink
You shouldn't stream & zoom at the same time (unless you spring for a (higher) 25-30 mbps upload speed).
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December 6th, 2020 at 7:15:07 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

You shouldn't stream & zoom at the same time (unless you spring for a (higher) 25-30 mbps upload speed).

Yep. Lesson learned.
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December 6th, 2020 at 7:26:45 PM permalink
basically Mdawg to the math
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December 7th, 2020 at 5:46:10 PM permalink
MDawg just doubled all of his credit lines at every casino I play at. I started off with just three of them, then decided to go all the way.

You must do this while home they won't allow a perm line increase while on property.

I'm a believer.
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December 7th, 2020 at 5:47:58 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

MDawg just doubled all of his credit lines at every casino I play at. I started off with just three of them, then decided to go all the way.

I'm a believer.

I couldnít leave her if I tried.
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December 7th, 2020 at 6:33:12 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

MDawg just doubled all of his credit lines at every casino I play at.

I'm a believer.


Big deal
I tripled all my lines of credit
I love I'm a believer
Unfortunately the Monkees not a real band so not in the rock hall of fame
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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December 7th, 2020 at 6:41:16 PM permalink
However, you tripled nothing because you have no credit lines at any casino, correct? If so your statement is along the lines of daydream believing, and not worthy of your having spent the time to type it. Other than the cool mention of The Monkees.


What the Wizard is saying, unless I am mistaken, is that he believes everything I have stated as far as past events. If I am mistaken, he may step in and correct me. In other words, the Wizard is not calling me a liar.

He has asked me to prove that I may continue to win, is the essence of his challenge. He and I have discussed that challenge and he has made clear that it is not a demand. As far as anything more on that future subject, he and I have discussed it.
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December 7th, 2020 at 6:42:19 PM permalink
Quote: terapined


I love I'm a believer



I'm a believer is a Neil Diamond song.

My late Partner was a big Neil Diamond fan and turned me on to him even though his prime was way before my time. I got to see a few concerts and he put on a good show even as he was older. Unfortunately Neil is now in failing health battling Parkinson's.

The story goes he was very shy when younger, so he wrote songs for the Monkees and other artist but at some point decided he didn't like the way others were singing his songs.
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December 7th, 2020 at 6:51:22 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

the Monkees not a real band



The Monkees were a real band, what kind of thing is that to say?

I've seen them in concert several times...they wrote, recorded, and performed music as the Monkees.

What other qualifications are there?
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December 7th, 2020 at 6:52:04 PM permalink
I just fall down under the weight of a guilt trip when he sings about a penny arcade.
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December 7th, 2020 at 6:56:22 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

However, you tripled nothing because you have no credit......


Are you kidding me
I have triple gold credit
Institutions beg me borrow money
Zero debt and every loan in my life paid off
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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December 7th, 2020 at 6:59:07 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

The Monkees were a real band, what kind of thing is that to say?

I've seen them in concert several times...they wrote, recorded, and performed music as the Monkees.

What other qualifications are there?


Ask the rock and roll hall of fame?
Ted Nugent can't believe he's not in either
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December 7th, 2020 at 6:59:38 PM permalink
We're talking about casino credit lines here.

Why you felt the need to tell me all that, I don't know.

And you seem to miss the point on a lot of things. What does being in the hall of fame or not have to do with being a real rock band.
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December 7th, 2020 at 7:03:49 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

We're talking about casino credit lines here.

Why you felt the need to tell me all that, I don't know.


Why triple
Go for the gusto.
Why not ask the casino for the gazillion line like the gazillionaire. Get real respect here lol

Why did you feel the need to start this thread :-)
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December 7th, 2020 at 7:06:16 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Ask the rock and roll hall of fame?
Ted Nugent can't believe he's not in either



That HOF is not the arbiter of whether a band was real or not, just whether they were great.

I saw Ted Nugent a few times too...definitely not a hall of famer.
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December 7th, 2020 at 7:06:50 PM permalink
I'm just commenting on two things you mentioned. You said you tripled your lines of casino credit after I mentioned that I tripled mine. And yet you have no credit at any casino apparently, nor did you triple it. And you said that The Monkees are not a real band because they are not in the hall of fame?

Two irrelevant erroneous comments? Good night. You may carry on your irrelevant conversation with yourself.
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December 7th, 2020 at 7:13:13 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I'm just commenting on two things you mentioned. You said you tripled your lines of casino credit after I mentioned that I tripled mine. And yet you have no credit at any casino apparently, nor did you triple it.


And how do you know that exactly???????????
Have you met me?
Everything I have posted here about myself could be a total lie
Think about it. Maybe others are lying about their lives :-)
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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December 7th, 2020 at 7:23:13 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

That HOF is not the arbiter of whether a band was real or not, just whether they were great.

I saw Ted Nugent a few times too...definitely not a hall of famer.


I just though the I'm a Believer irony from a band that in some ways were not a band (studio musicians on the hits)just as some winners are really not winners simply because they believe they won
I saw Peter live with his band, Blue Suede Blues
I think the Monkees and Three Dog Night should both be in the rock hall
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December 7th, 2020 at 7:26:59 PM permalink
If all the druggy bands who broke the law on a daily basis were allowed a hall of fame, not sure it would be located in Shambala.

We are so sad to announce that we have no choice other than to cancel Shambala Festival 2020. ...Jun 15, 2020
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December 7th, 2020 at 7:31:20 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

If all the druggy bands who broke the law on a daily basis were allowed a hall of fame, not sure it would be located in Shambala.

We are so sad to announce that we have no choice other than to cancel Shambala Festival 2020. ...Jun 15, 2020



I had to Google that one.
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December 7th, 2020 at 7:54:41 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

studio musicians on the hits



That's all of Motown, and even the Beatles recorded many hits with them singing, but only studio musicians accompanying.

Yesterday, the highest-grossing song of all time, featured Paul only singing and backed by studio musicians.

No other Beatles are on the recording.
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December 7th, 2020 at 8:19:48 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

That's all of Motown, and even the Beatles recorded many hits with them singing, but only studio musicians accompanying.

Yesterday, the highest-grossing song of all time, featured Paul only singing and backed by studio musicians.

No other Beatles are on the recording.


I believe in many instances. the wrong people are getting all the credit when it's often a team effort
Take the Monkees. Don Kirshner, studio musicians and songwriters have a lot more to do with the hit then who's vocals are on the song.
Take Carol Kaye. She should be in the hall of fame

So you really believe deviating from optimal strategy and giving the house a higher edge is a formula for winning?
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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December 7th, 2020 at 9:23:13 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

So you really believe deviating from optimal strategy and giving the house a higher edge is a formula for winning?



My focus is on whether or not MDawg's claims of having won are possible, and whether or not those who accuse him of lying can prove that he is lying.

I don't believe that they are able to prove that he is lying, but I encourage them to try harder.

The accusations are stale, ample opportunity to prove lying have been presented.

Having accused him, they are now obligated to prove him guilty as charged.

Put up or shut up.
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December 7th, 2020 at 9:54:28 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

My focus is on whether or not MDawg's claims of having won are possible, and whether or not those who accuse him of lying can prove that he is lying.

I don't believe that they are able to prove that he is lying, but I encourage them to try harder.

The accusations are stale, ample opportunity to prove lying have been presented.

Having accused him, they are now obligated to prove him guilty as charged.

Put up or shut up.


?????????
"Put up or shut up" WTF
Nobody is obligated to do jack and you can't shut anybody up.
What's impossible remains impossible
It's becoming very weird in that you are under the impression there is some type of obligation here.
Where does that come from?
How do you shut up a member?
Bizarro
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December 7th, 2020 at 10:50:03 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

How do you shut up a member?



Relax...it's just a suggestion.
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December 7th, 2020 at 11:15:24 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

My focus is on whether or not MDawg's claims of having won are possible, and whether or not those who accuse him of lying can prove that he is lying.

I don't believe that they are able to prove that he is lying, but I encourage them to try harder.

The accusations are stale, ample opportunity to prove lying have been presented.

Having accused him, they are now obligated to prove him guilty as charged.

Put up or shut up.


I donít know if anyone has actually accused him of lying. I do believe many are stating he has not provided the evidence they want to see (in person) in order TO believe him. There IS a difference.

Throwing the word lying around in this manner is not good. Saying ďI donít believe you because you have not provided evidence I need to believe youĒ....is NOT calling someone a liar. Now, what entails ďsatisfactionĒ is a judgement call and is likely something that must be done jury like where one person is not judge, jury and executioner....although I think most are in agreement that the Wizard would be granted such authority.

If baccarat cannot be played to an advantage mathematically....that is the proof.

It is incumbent upon the person making the claim to PROVE the claim to the satisfaction of the disbeliever....not the other way around. Oh, and just for reference..you saying ďhe hasĒ or him saying ďI haveĒ does not qualify. I think majority are in agreement that the Wizardís word would be considered most credible.
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December 7th, 2020 at 11:32:36 PM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

Saying ďI donít believe you because you have not provided evidence I need to believe youĒ....is NOT calling someone a liar.



In this case it is, MDawg has been called a liar by those who claim lack of evidence.

Quote: TDVegas

If baccarat cannot be played to an advantage mathematically....that is the proof.



The proof of what? Proof that MDawg has not won as he as claimed?

Quote: TDVegas

It is incumbent upon the person making the claim to PROVE the claim to the satisfaction of the disbeliever....not the other way around.



No that's not how it works in the USA.

If you accuse someone, then you must prove the accusation, or the accusation is dismissed.
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December 7th, 2020 at 11:40:19 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly


No that's not how it works in the USA.

If you accuse someone, then you must prove the accusation, or the accusation is dismissed.



And here is where you are either confused or playing ignorant. First this is not a courtroom and no one is on trial. Second this forum is NOT the USA. It is Wizards forum and he makes the rules and decisions. He has said that many times. I was off the forum for 4 years and I know that. How do you NOT know that?

And Wizard has said it is time for MDawg to put up. I mean Mike seems to have gone quiet now, but that is what he said. So who knows where we stand now? I guess a continuation of a now year long troll of misinformation.
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December 7th, 2020 at 11:54:25 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

this forum is NOT the USA.



The same principles apply, and if they don't apply then they should apply.

In any case, Mike and MDawg seem comfortable with whatever negotiations they have going on.

You'll have to deal with that for however long it takes to resolve.

LOL...Mike and the Mad Dog...legendary radio partners in the NYC market.
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December 8th, 2020 at 12:41:50 AM permalink
Firstly Coach Belly keeps saying innocent until proven guilty is the way it works in the USA and we are in the USA

This forum is actually a global forum. One of our own Mods resides in England.

Some posters are in Asia.

This whole USA centric idea for the forum doesn't add up.

Secondly, it's obvious Coach Belly has never dealt with any child protective services. Do some research. In the USA, an anonymous tip will have CPS assuming you are guilty from the get go.

So his innocent until proven guilty idea is a nice fancy but in practice not a US of A guarantee
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December 8th, 2020 at 10:15:53 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

In this case it is, MDawg has been called a liar by those who claim lack of evidence.



The proof of what? Proof that MDawg has not won as he as claimed?



No that's not how it works in the USA.

If you accuse someone, then you must prove the accusation, or the accusation is dismissed.


I believe the Wizard gave him a final offer a week ago or so. Show him in person how heís beating baccarat. This solves 250 pages of back and forth, no? I donít see where there is a problem. No ďput up money firstĒ stipulations.
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December 8th, 2020 at 10:24:49 AM permalink
People make their own luck with or without the Wizard. MDawg owes nobody anything, but he should stop with the stupid bets on forum members.
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December 8th, 2020 at 10:30:24 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

People make their own luck with or without the Wizard. MDawg owes nobody anything, but he should stop with the stupid bets on forum members.


Correct...but his posting seems to want validation. At least on some level.

My suggestion from the very start was his own words....he wasnít looking for commentary. He simply wanted to post his adventure. Wonderful. My first question was if there is a way to start a thread that doesnít allow responses. Problem solved. 275 pages gets reduced to 25 and everyone is happy.
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December 8th, 2020 at 11:33:43 AM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

Correct...but his posting seems to want validation. At least on some level.

My suggestion from the very start was his own words....he wasnít looking for commentary. He simply wanted to post his adventure. Wonderful. My first question was if there is a way to start a thread that doesnít allow responses. Problem solved. 275 pages gets reduced to 25 and everyone is happy.

There's a blog section and he apparently has his own forum.
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December 9th, 2020 at 8:49:11 AM permalink
This discussion is carried over from the "Adventures of AxelWof" thread that has been closed.

Quote: AxelWolf

Yes, I do trust that he would hold the money and do the right thing. Now let's just see if MD is willing to put that money up.



Wouldn't MDawg also need to agree to use Mike as the bag man?

Is Mike also acceptable to you as a judge that shall determine if your faked evidence is passable as authentic, or of equal authenticity to MDawg's evidence?

I would advise that the judges should look at both sets of evidence, without either set presented as faked.

If they can't determine that one set seems more authentic than the other, then you will have won the prize.
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December 9th, 2020 at 8:53:02 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

Wouldn't MDawg also need to agree to use Mike as the bag man?

Is Mike also acceptable to you as a judge that shall determine if your faked evidence is passable as authentic, or of equal authenticity to MDawg's evidence?



I'm willing to be a bag man, but being a judge of faked pictures is not my area of expertise. I highly doubt we will actually see a challenge anyway on the nature of digital images. I'd prefer to see one based on a demonstration playing baccarat. That, I can be a judge on.
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December 9th, 2020 at 9:24:21 AM permalink
Speaking from a scientific and mathematical perspective, if someone says they can do something that defies science and math there are TWO CRITERIA to proving their claims.

The first is that it be an event that is witnessed! This is what most people are trying to come up with as a challenge.

However, it also needs to be a repeatable event! That is other people of similar caliber can take the method used to win and defy mathematics.

I am certain MDawg is claiming not only is he the only person to figure out how to beat Baccarat BUT ALSO THE ONLY PERSON WHO COULD USE HIS SYSTEM!

The catch-22 for MDawg is if his methods can't be used by anyone else because they aren't really a method then his method is simply dumb luck. Which could turn at a hairpin.

Otoh, if he demonstrates some actual, outside the box thinking, then it should be repeatable. That would prove his claims but at the risk of giving his methods away
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December 9th, 2020 at 9:33:59 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I highly doubt we will actually see a challenge anyway on the nature of digital images.



It seems like Axel is prepared to move forward compiling his set of faked evidence as soon as both parties consent to the bagman.

But the bagman need not be one of the judges.

I'm assuming there are experts that can verify the authenticity of images, for collectibles and such.

But MDawg intends to include in-person interviews with casino personnel as part of his evidence.

I'm not sure if Axel will be able to convince any Wynn executives to consent to dispensing false information on his behalf, although Axel seems certain that MDawg can convince them to do that on his behalf.

These are among the issues for the judges to consider.

Axel hasn't answered whether or not he would accept you as a judge, but its doesn't seem that Axel is willing to accept the legitimacy of any judges....and that's a dealbreaker for sure.
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December 9th, 2020 at 9:49:23 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Speaking from a scientific and mathematical perspective, if someone says they can do something that defies science and math there are TWO CRITERIA to proving their claims.



Quote: darkoz

I am certain MDawg is claiming not only is he the only person to figure out how to beat Baccarat BUT ALSO THE ONLY PERSON WHO COULD USE HIS SYSTEM!



What you have written above, especially your certainty about MDawg's claims, are simply not part of any of the challenges that have been proposed.

This is red herring territory, a distraction from what is actually being contemplated and negotiated.

The current challenges are intended to prove whether MDawg's claims of past results are false, whether anyone can fake evidence similar to what MDawg has provided to the same level of authenticity, and whether or not MDawg has played at the betting levels as he claims.

None of these challenges can be resolved by future play, that doesn't apply.

If you are requesting to witness MDawg's play, then he has outlined the circumstances by which he may accommodate your request...at no financial risk to you.

If you want to bet that MDawg can't win in the future like he claims he has in the past, then go for it...propose a bet that could produce the outcome you seek.
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December 9th, 2020 at 10:21:32 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

What you have written above, especially your certainty about MDawg's claims, are simply not part of any of the challenges that have been proposed.

This is red herring territory, a distraction from what is actually being contemplated and negotiated.

The current challenges are intended to prove whether MDawg's claims of past results are false, whether anyone can fake evidence similar to what MDawg has provided to the same level of authenticity, and whether or not MDawg has played at the betting levels as he claims.

None of these challenges can be resolved by future play, that doesn't apply.

If you are requesting to witness MDawg's play, then he has outlined the circumstances by which he may accommodate your request...at no financial risk to you.

If you want to bet that MDawg can't win in the future like he claims he has in the past, then go for it...propose a bet that could produce the outcome you seek.



The Wizard just said he wants to witness play. Future play therefore is in question.

Future play is always in question.

MDawg is claiming he cannot guarantee winning in the future then he is claiming to simply be lucky.

Lots of people are lucky. That proves nothing!
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December 9th, 2020 at 10:32:42 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

None of these challenges can be resolved by future play, that doesn't apply.


That is the only thing that matters. Previous play is meaningless as it relates to this discussion.
MDawg
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December 9th, 2020 at 10:33:31 AM permalink
AxelWolf made a few offers, claims and proposed wagers, but backed off from them by later adding qualifiers. The last post I saw from him, he wanted me to come back with some kind of qualifiers that could be added to the wager that was being discussed, namely the one where he believes that I do not play as I claim in day to day session reports as posted in this thread?


Instead, why doesn't he just, this time, think things through carefully and come back with a proposed wager that he DOESN'T have to later revise. That makes a lot more sense than his making a proposed wager and then later asking for revisions.
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December 9th, 2020 at 10:37:49 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

AxelWolf made a few offers, claims and proposed wagers, but backed off from them by later adding qualifiers. The last post I saw from him, he wanted me to come back with some kind of qualifiers that could be added to the wager that was being discussed, namely the one where he believes that I do not play as I claim in day to day session reports as posted in this thread?

Instead, why doesn't he just, this time, think things through carefully and come back with a proposed wager that he DOESN'T have to later revise.



Just let the Wiz observe you trying to win while at the same time giving the house a bigger edge against you
ROTFL
No way you let the Wiz observe you giving the house a bigger edge
I frankly would be embarrassed to do that
Bottom line, claiming to win consistently while at the same time giving the house a bigger edge is impossible
No way Mdawg allows anybody to see the impossible
Because
Its impossible
I read the wizard strategy on baccarat
Play banker
Any other strategy would be flushing down more money down the toilet
No way Mdwag allows us to see him flushing lol
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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December 9th, 2020 at 10:48:03 AM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

That is the only thing that matters. Previous play is meaningless as it relates to this discussion.



I find your statement above contradictory as it stands.

What is the only thing that matters?

What discussion you mean, that previous play is meaningless?
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December 9th, 2020 at 10:59:29 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm willing to be a bag man, but being a judge of faked pictures is not my area of expertise. I highly doubt we will actually see a challenge anyway on the nature of digital images. I'd prefer to see one based on a demonstration playing baccarat. That, I can be a judge on.



Thank you for one shutdown. Maybe a limit of postings by critics on this thread. How many times must we put up with posters, pro and con. These people have nothing better to do but non stop bloviating. Please let the thread continue without them!
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December 9th, 2020 at 11:07:38 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Lots of people are lucky. That proves nothing!



The current $ challenges all revolve around MDawg's claims of past results.

Doubters are insisting that MDawg's claims of high-level play are false, and his claims of past winnings are false.

If you're conceding that he could have gotten lucky and won as he claims, then yes that doesn't prove anything, and therefore that doesn't prove his claims to be false.

Quote: darkoz

The Wizard just said he wants to witness play.



I'm not aware of any $ bet proposed that MDawg can win while being observed, or will win in the future.

You should offer one, and see if MDawg accepts.

What MDawg has provided is a no-risk opportunity for anybody to witness his play, including the Wizard as far as I can tell.

My understanding is that they are privately discussing it.

I wouldn't expect either party to divulge the details of their private discussions, I've read that's bad form.

So we'll have to wait for both to announce whatever agreement they come to.
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