The Adventures of MDawg

KewlJ is not only calling me a liar, but presenting his own alternate theory of what must have happened - saying I must have lost in order to be comp'ed, which flies in the face of the facts as I have presented and attested to be true. And, he won't let up and keeps repeating the same thing over and over, caling me a liar repeatedly, without any sort of direct proof whatsoever.

And he's doing this within minutes of returning from a suspension for doing the same thing ("personal insult" was calling me a liar, with the fiction remark).

Quote: MDawg

KewlJ is not only calling me a liar, but presenting his own alternate theory of what must have happened - saying I must have lost in order to be comp'ed, which flies in the face of the facts as I have presented and attested to be true.

Not only is he accusing you of organizing a grand conspiracy to lie about your results, he is casting aspersions on casino personnel that he cannot name....as if he knows that every casino host and hotel agent would be willing to accept a bribe to fabricate documents, and are able to do so.

So, Wynn luxury boutique shopping is based on theoretical. If you are only getting 1k then most of not all of what you are saying is really hard to comprehend . I am not sure how to post photos but I get 3k in shopping and do not play at the same level that you have said you do.

You'd have to be living in some kind of shadow world to believe that a casino in this day and age, especially a public company, would fabricate or alter hotel bills and win/loss statements. I mean, let's say I was a slots player, the win/loss statements often reflect W-2Gs, so now I suppose these guys think that the casino would alter reports to the IRS.

I posted some photos of the TV screens in my suite to show that all room food beverage and spa services were comp'ed - it's ridiculous to think that this sort of thing would or could be altered by the hotel staff - only casino marketing has the power to comp anything off a player's bill, and it is only comp'ed based on play.

Anyone who thinks along those conspiracy lines probably doesn't have much experience with casinos other than perhaps in hiding from them and avoiding them.

Along the same lines is thinking that the only way to get comp'ed is to lose. Which again, I have stated categorically that I both won and was comp'ed so anyone who challenges that should present direct proof to contradict my testimony, or realize that he is calling me a liar without anything to back it up.

Quote: Expectedvalue

So, Wynn luxury boutique shopping is based on theoretical. If you are only getting 1k then most of not all of what you are saying is really hard to comprehend . I am not sure how to post photos but I get 3k in shopping and do not play at the same level that you have said you do.

As I posted, for this particular Wynn luxury boutique I was told that my maximum was 1000 no matter what. Scroll up and you'll see that straight from the horse's - the host's - mouth. There was a different luxury boutique about a year ago I think it was, where they presented the goods in person on the floor and laid out a full buffet and free drinks, and the sky was the limit on that one. Maybe not the sky, but much higher than 1000.

So unless you are in Vegas RIGHT NOW (since last Monday) you may not participate in this luxury boutique and you wouldn't know about its limits. It is based on play during the period starting Monday, 11/16. After I put in some monster play that Monday, I texted the host and asked if I played more if I would get more for the luxury boutique, and he said no that 1000 was the limit for this one.

It is possible that the way it works is that you come in with some base points (in my case 500), which was all I could get since I hadn't even played at this casino for almost a year. And then additional play could at most double it, in my case, to 1000. I dunno I don't pin down the host on every little silly thing, as I'm more concerned with winning at the tables. At this one resort alone, not to mention the two immediately prior fully comp'ed stays at the two other resorts we were at since very early October, my host comp'ed us at this third resort alone to the tune of almost fifty grand in suites, food and spa, letting us stay for almost forty nights in a relatively large (1300 sq. ft.) suite, so I am not going to try to nibble him to death like ducks over much else. But he flat out told me I was maxed out at 1000 no matter how much more I played. I posted the actual text from the host above if you are so interested you may scroll up and see it.

Quote: Expectedvalue

I get 3k in shopping

Are you willing to post photos if MDawg can explain how to do that?

It's interesting because either things have changed (post coronavirus), or this casino we were at is quite different from another major we stayed at a year or so ago.

On that stay, at the other casino, also very high end and on the Strip, the host got peeved that we stayed so long, and it wasn't even all THAT long - only about two weeks. He said, "NOBODY stays two weeks at the _______." He pointed out that he had _____ players with million dollar lines who wouldn't stay that long.

But this time, this casino, which is just as if not even higher end, the host kept mentioning that "We have availability" every time I even mentioned staying on. Come to think of it, the host at the first casino we stayed at this trip, also very high end, had the same attitude every time I asked to be extended. "No problem."

Usually, I stay about ten days per resort - I figure they don't want me there much longer, in that I'm not losing and I'm (usually) not even putting in the full four hours a day at the tables. But this time, they never seemed to tire of me even though I never was negative not at any point during the trip. I did dump heavily one day though, as mentioned above and outlined carefully at the truepassage forum - I did one day dump almost all my winnings. Maybe that gave them hope. Over all though, I think they just let me stay based on the theoretical loss, but even then at some point they had to figure that even if I were completely wiped out they still could only get so much from me unless I paid off the line and came back for more.

For the record, I don’t see how saying “I don’t believe the claims as stated” can be reasonably construed as a personal insult as applied on this forum.

For one, it keeps to the Golden posting rule here: comment on the post, not the poster.

Quote: kewlj

I was not aware of the no mentioning other forums rule. I guess that is on me, so I accept that. However, I reject that "fiction" is a personal insult. I did not say liar. MDawg used that word not me. I am saying I don't believe his claims and story as stated. And I don't believe them because they defy the mathematics. That opinion is my right and is not an insult.


Mike I don't know what is going on here that you won't call this guy out. His claims as stated defy the math, just as much as seeing 18 yo's in a row, just as much as Rob Singer's claims of winning millions using progressive wagering to overcome -EV, just as much as the frequent people that show up here touting martingale. You call all these people out because their claims defy the math involved. Yet with MDawg you say nothing. Mike you are the gambling math expert. Your reputation is all about the math. What you don't say matters just as much as what you do say in this kind of situation.

I accept that MDawg is a high roller and bets a lot and loses a lot and that because he loses more than he wins the casinos comp him generously. But the idea that he wins nearly every session and every day as he claims is bogus. Most of us here, including you Mike, know how the casino industry works. The simply are not comping a guy high end suites for 5-6 weeks at a time, that shows wins on every trip. Ridiculous! Now if you need to suspend or ban me, because I don't believe these claims AS STATED, that defy math, you do what you need to do.

You got suspended because you said MDawg was a "fiction writer." My interpretation of that is someone who deliberately writes stories that they know are not true. Since MDawg passes them off as true, that makes your comment logically equivalent to calling him a liar.

As to the comparison to the 18 yo's in a row, I am not saying that Alan is lying. I think he just remembers the incident incorrectly. Even he has amended his comment to say "maybe it was 17 to 19 yo's."

I don't wish to ban you for what you believe. However, freedom of speech rights are restricted here, lest the forum turn into a cesspool.

As to MDawg, I don't read his trip reports so am not familiar with exactly what he is saying. I do know he is an attorney and members of said profession are masters at twisting words to say anything they wish and still wiggle out of a perjury accusation if confronted with evidence to the contrary. In this case, he could have a loose definition of "win," to include the value of comps and entertainment.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Km5OKZlp0

In my opinion, at least 90% of self-described advantage players simply aren't. They use confirmation bias to conveniently remember and exaggerate their wins and minimize or forget their losses. Of course, I am not making this accusation about MDawg, just making a generalization. Since you press me, I'll say that anyone who truly has beaten baccarat straight up (no counting comps, loss rebates, edge sorting, etc.) has just been lucky.

Why don't you challenge him to produce a tax return showing gambling winnings? If he declines, don't you think you'll have made your point?

Quote: Wizard

You got suspended because you said MDawg was a "fiction writer." My interpretation of that is someone who deliberately writes stories that they know are not true. Since MDawg passes them off as true, that makes your comment logically equivalent to calling him a liar.

As to the comparison to the 18 yo's in a row, I am not saying that Alan is lying. I think he just remembers the incident incorrectly. Even he has amended his comment to say "maybe it was 17 to 19 yo's."

I don't wish to ban you for what you believe. However, freedom of speech rights are restricted here, lest the forum turn into a cesspool.

As to MDawg, I don't read his trip reports so am not familiar with exactly what he is saying. I do know he is an attorney and members of said profession are masters at twisting words to say anything they wish and still wiggle out of a perjury accusation if confronted with evidence to the contrary. In this case, he could have a loose definition of "win," to include the value of comps and entertainment.

Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Km5OKZlp0

In my opinion, at least 90% of self-described advantage players simply aren't. They use confirmation bias to conveniently remember and exaggerate their wins and minimize or forget their losses. Of course, I am not making this accusation about MDawg, just making a generalization. Since you press me, I'll say that anyone who truly has beaten baccarat straight up (no counting comps, loss rebates, edge sorting, etc.) has just been lucky.

Why don't you challenge him to produce a tax return showing gambling winnings? If he declines, don't you think you'll have made your point?

Hello, Wizard.

There is no wriggle room here. I can go through his trip reports and give exact quotes if you wish.

He has stated in precise terms:

1) He wins at Baccarat NOT JUST OVERALL LONGTERM BUT EVERY SINGLE DAY CASH MONEY!!!!!!!!!!

2) In addition he gets comps that equal thousands per day in free RFB and shopping sprees (HOWEVER ADMITS HE DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR ANY KIND OF PROMO CHIPS OR FREEPLAY AT SAME CASINOS)

3) When pressed as to how he does it, by some Advantage play he wishes to keep secret HE HAS INSISTED CATEGORICALLY THAT HE USES NO SYSTEM OR ADVANTAGE OTHER THAN SIMPLY BEING MDAWG WHO HAS A SIXTH SENSE FOR KNOWING THINGS IN ADVANCE (such as whether to pick Player or Banker)

4) When the house edge and -EV is brought up HE HAS OUTRIGHT CLAIMED TO BE THE FIRST PERSON TO BEAT THE MATHEMATICS OF NEGATIVE EXPECTATIONS WITH THE ONLY EXPLANATION BEING THAT IT'S TRUE, HERE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS!

None of these are wishy washy interpretative statements he has made but clear and concise statements and they have gone on for hundreds of posts.

Mike suggested tax returns. I don’t think there is a member who would post their tax return on an open forum to settle some silly bet.

I guess if the money was high enough....

Tax return assumes he claims all his “winnings”

With DarkOz he's like a combination of a broken record (repeatedly asking why MDawg didn't get any promo chips this trip - I already explained, now, for the twelve (or what you will) time, that the casino I was at for most all of this trip didn't give any promo chips out until very recently OTHER THAN for tournament wins) and someone who seems intent on adding his own twist to what has already been posted - specifically, I didn't post just "some pictures" I posted among other things live video of win statements while logged into my player card accounts. Recently, to prove that I had been fully comp'ed, I posted the actual in room television screens showing the folios.

Just the sheer volume of paid back markers I have posted indicates ongoing play. If I'd been blown out - would not have been so many markers, but then we're talking about people who don't know what it means that a marker has its signature torn out of it, which is fine, but when such people come in and say that "notice that he posts markers only at the beginning of his play" it indicates a lack of understanding that a signature torn out marker is obviously posted AFTER the play, after it has been paid back. Anyone who doesn't understand what it means to have converted winning chips to a casino check, hasn't played much in a casino - it means that the chips were free and clear and by implication, not purchased for cash, but rather - won! I could explain that further, but then - why? it's like trying to explain what chocolate tastes like to someone who has never seen it, in some cases with some of the people here. And then we have people who think that casino hosts or hotel staff would falsify records to show that someone won and was comp'ed when in fact he lost and did not get comp'ed. Absurd! And so on, as far as interpretations of the evidence that belie any kind of innate understanding of how casinos work.

I think the people who object the most to the evidence here are the ones least familiar with how all this works.

In other words, I think the reason someone like DarkOz seems intent on disputing what is clear and obvious is that he has no point of reference. By his own admission, he plays masked hiding his identity or sends in teams of people who do the same, who are using someone else's player card. Most all of these supposed AP players play in the shadow world, hiding or altering their identities, so of course they never get any above board comps or promotions in their own legitimate actual names. Then they assume that everyone else is like them, running and hiding.

Wizard we already nailed that down after REDietz's bizarre post in my thread. When I say that I win, or have won, I mean in the sense of dollars ahead. What else?

Anyway, if anyone is so certain that any of what I post is false, take up the MDawg Challenge. I am willing to return to Vegas to collect on that. Short of putting your money where your mouth is, this is going nowhere. As JP Morgan might have said, "The market is open!" (and not for too many hours today either), so, I'm back to business and have said, and posted, enough. At the end of the year when the casino win statements are available, I'm happy to provide them again and they will once again corroborate the exact wins claimed, if not more given that I tip out so much to the dealers and with their records, that is tossed in there with the total wins. From my point of view however, I went home with 74,000 more actual dollars than I arrived in Vegas with. I attest to that.

How about a simple challenge - to DarkOz or anyone else.

Post the level of proof I have posted - i.e. post pictures of the jackpots you have hit, since many of you AP'ers seem to be slots players, post live video of your win loss statements while logged into your casino accounts, post pictures of fifty grand of stacked chips if you're a table games player, post pictures of stacks of cash the casino gave you, post pictures of winning checks the casino cut you, post pictures of the in room television folio to show what your hotel bill has been after staying in the same suite for nearly forty nights to prove it was comp'ed, and post pictures of the actual suite and food you're getting comp'ed. I haven't seen anything from anyone else - nada.

Quote: MDawg

How about a simple challenge - to DarkOz or anyone else.

Post the level of proof I have posted - i.e. post pictures of the jackpots you have hit, since many of you AP'ers seem to be slots players, post live video of your win loss statements while logged into your casino accounts, post pictures of fifty grand of stacked chips if you're a table games player, post pictures of stacks of cash the casino gave you, post pictures of winning checks the casino cut you, post pictures of the in room television folio to show what your hotel bill has been after staying in the same suite for nearly forty nights to prove it was comp'ed, and post pictures of the actual suite and food you're getting comp'ed. I haven't seen anything from anyone else - nada.

How about you posting an explanation of how you defy the math

How about you also explain why you have no FREEPLAY (stop explaining the promo chips and explain how you have no FREEPLAY. You keep ignoring that because you can't explain that one?)

How about you let someone witness actual casino play where you win (you claim it's every day. Won't take more than a few days of back to back winning to convince) like I did in my challenge

And how about you don't demand ridiculous amount of money to prove your assertion.

Quote: Wizard

Why don't you challenge him to produce a tax return showing gambling winnings? If he declines, don't you think you'll have made your point?

I don't want to see tax returns or any documentation that can be manipulated. I am willing to make up to a 6 figure wager, but the proof is me and several people witness his play.

If I came on this forum claiming that I can run a 3 minute mile (43 seconds faster than the recognized world record), surely people would challenge that claim. So for any kind of wager, would the proof be that I produce documents from people "claiming" to have seen me run a 3 minute mile, or would the proof be people get to witness me run a 3 minute mile?

Listen broken record DO, I already explained all that.

Again, post something along the lines of what I have posted, if it is so easy to fabricate. It is not. If you have any proof of anything that you do, post it. Or, stop bothering the real people who do post proof.

Quote: TigerWu

Some of you guys are throwing the baby out with the bathwater, here...

MDawg's superstition-based beliefs can easily be disproved. Fine. But it does not call into question many of his other claims. How many Asian whales are there that are ten times more superstitious? Are they lying about being billionaires?

He's even posted proof of many of his claims that no one has been able to disprove; claims, as I have said before, that aren't even remotely unbelievable, which makes the criticisms even more ridiculous. Betting $500 or $1000 or $5000 a hand is nothing in Vegas. Winning $30,000 in a session happens every freaking day.

I see the same old weak arguments from some of y'all;

"Why is a rich guy hanging out with us poor slobs?"

"That's a fake watch!"

"You borrowed those chips from the casino just to take a picture!"

"Fake this! Fake that! Wah wah wah!"

And of course my favorite one of all:

"There was another guy on here years ago that lied; that means MDawg is lying too!"

So what if he's superstitious. So what if he likes to stroke his ego. Just block him if you don't like his stories. This MDawg harassment is getting old.

Quote: TigerWu

MDawg is the best thing to happen to this forum in months for some people... they can't get enough of him! Haha...

Quote: darkoz

Hello, Wizard.

There is no wriggle room here. I can go through his trip reports and give exact quotes if you wish.

He has stated in precise terms:

1) He wins at Baccarat NOT JUST OVERALL LONGTERM BUT EVERY SINGLE DAY CASH MONEY!!!!!!!!!!

2) In addition he gets comps that equal thousands per day in free RFB and shopping sprees (HOWEVER ADMITS HE DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR ANY KIND OF PROMO CHIPS OR FREEPLAY AT SAME CASINOS)

3) When pressed as to how he does it, by some Advantage play he wishes to keep secret HE HAS INSISTED CATEGORICALLY THAT HE USES NO SYSTEM OR ADVANTAGE OTHER THAN SIMPLY BEING MDAWG WHO HAS A SIXTH SENSE FOR KNOWING THINGS IN ADVANCE (such as whether to pick Player or Banker)

4) When the house edge and -EV is brought up HE HAS OUTRIGHT CLAIMED TO BE THE FIRST PERSON TO BEAT THE MATHEMATICS OF NEGATIVE EXPECTATIONS WITH THE ONLY EXPLANATION BEING THAT IT'S TRUE, HERE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS!

None of these are wishy washy interpretative statements he has made but clear and concise statements and they have gone on for hundreds of posts.

MDawg is allowed to say those things. The rest of the forum may say they don't believe him, but they may not say MDawg is lying. Assuming your paraphrasing is correct, I wouldn't believe him either in the same way I don't believe Alan's 18 yo's in a row.

Let me respond to other comments about the tax return idea. MDawg comes to Vegas a lot. If he is willing, I would be willing to look at his tax return and report only on what he lists under gambling winnings. I am also willing to look at casino annual win/loss statements, although these are not very reliable and he could cherry pick those that show wins. Still, it would be something.

Finally, let me suggest a radical idea. If you are bothered by MDawg's claims, then don't read his posts.

Yup we need a whole lot less folks here getting upset over the dawg.

Quote: DeMango

Yup we need a whole lot less folks here getting upset over the dawg.

Dawg suggests I start my own adventure thread

That shouldn't upset people on here, right?

(NY AP thread anyone?)

Quote: Wizard

MDawg is allowed to say those things. The rest of the forum may say they don't believe him, but they may not say MDawg is lying. Assuming your paraphrasing is correct, I wouldn't believe him either in the same way I don't believe Alan's 18 yo's in a row.

Let me respond to other comments about the tax return idea. MDawg comes to Vegas a lot. If he is willing, I would be willing to look at his tax return and report only on what he lists under gambling winnings. I am also willing to look at casino annual win/loss statements, although these are not very reliable and he could cherry pick those that show wins. Still, it would be something.

Two things and then I am done.

In the first paragraph, the point is that you HAVE publicly stated you don't believe Alan's claim. And you have publicly stated you don't believe Singer can overcome -EV with progression wagering. And every time someone shows up promoting some version of Martingale, you immediately shoot that down. But with these MDawg claims, in the same league if not worse, you have for the most part remained silent. YOU are the gambling expert. When you don't say something it matters as much as when you do. I am sorry to put that responsibility on you that you have to call out claims that defy math, but you do need to do so at least with the worst of them....the ones that are repeated over and over, with pictures and trip reports.

And the second paragraph, again, why with the tax returns or any documentation that can be manipulated. The claims are that he wins almost every session. Why would the bet not be people witnessing his play? Alan is big on that....he wanted to film me play which I couldn't agree to for obvious reasons. Lets get Mr. Showbiz, Alan involved. lol And by the way my apologizes to Alan for rehashing the 18 yo's. I know he wants to put that behind him, but it is just a perfect parallel to one claim being called out while another isn't.

Deleted.

Will post in separate thread

Quote: kewlj

would the proof be that I produce documents from people "claiming" to have seen me run a 3 minute mile, or would the proof be people get to witness me run a 3 minute mile?

You didn't witness the world-record mile run, but you accept that it occurred, based on documents from people claiming to have seen the event.

The documentation, videos and eyewitness testimony could have been fabricated, but it has been authenticated.

So can whatever proof MDawg provides be authenticated.

MDawg already offered everybody the opportunity to witness his play, nobody accepted.

Ask if he'll still let you witness his play, you don't need to risk anything to watch him play according to this...

Quote: MDawg

come and deposit $50K at the cage. He may play whatever he wants to play BJ roulette craps Baccarat I don't care. No sports betting tho. So may I play whatever I want to play, but it has to be play at the same casino. At the end of two weeks I will be in the plus and I will have won more than he. It is a simple challenge, there is no side bet.

Your own thread? No way!

Everything should be posted in the Adventures of MDawg thread. There is nothing else.

Actually one final thought Mike. Maybe you should do a video interview with MDawg just as you have done with Singer. Since you claim you don't read his trip reports and aren't familiar with his claims, some of us that are familiar and offended by his math defying claims could submit a couple questions. I feel confident that based on the questions and answers, you might then feel the need to voice an opinion.

Quote: coachbelly

It's been explained that casinos comp based on theoretical loss.

Is that not true?...do they comp based on actual wins or losses?

I missed seeing this last night but do want to address it. Theo loss is only the starting point. If a player is winning continually, the casino gets to the point that they don't want that action, even with a theo loss. And before they get to that point, they cut and eliminate comps.

I have a friend who works the pit at a large strip property (one of the 2 big chains). We have had discussion where I have taken the position that card counters shouldn't be banned for playing legally within the rules. He tells me that he has been part of decisions to not allow players to play at all sorts of different games just because they are continually winning. He says if a player is winning session after session, day after day, a decision will be made to not allow further play, without even being able to determine if they are cheating, or playing with an advantage or have just been extraordinarily lucky.

And before they decide we don't want your action, they cease comps and offers. As a matter of fact, the loss of comps and offers is often one of the very first counter measures against AP's. It is often a "warning sign" that sometimes players miss.

This idea that a casino is going to comp a player winning session after session, day after day for weeks at a time, trip after trip is nuts. The casinos are not in the business of giving away more than they take in. What MDawg is describing, the high end suites, all meals, spa treatments, shows comped, the shopping sprees, is what is thrown at losing high rollers, not continually winning players....at least not for long.

This kewlj guy can't even keep his word about something as simple as "I'm done here." He has more than once in the past two days declared that "he is done here" and he won't post again in this thread, yet like a multi headed beast that gets one head chopped off and grows another, he returns time and again. He's said he is done with this thread, he's said he is done with WOV, and yet the hydra returns to grow another head, over and over, and cross the same line that he's said he won't cross again.

I am sure there will be MANY more posts from KewlJ both in this thread and at WOV notwithstanding his assurance that he is done here.  🤓

None of what he says is based on anything that he knows for a fact. Just repeating what "a friend" has said to him, or what he thinks ought to be true. I'm the one living it, I should know. I've won consistently at casinos all my life, and the only time I was shown the door was when I kept winning too consistently at Blackjack. No one has ever molested me for my Baccarat wins.

Actually more than a few people are advising me to chill out and stop talking, that there are far too many people chattering about me all over the internet, and some of those might be people with whom no one respectable would want any sort of connection.

Quote: MDawg

I've won consistently at casinos all my life,

Will you allow an observer?
Thinking of moving to Vegas just to watch your play.
I like to see the impossible for myself

Quote: kewlj

This idea that a casino is going to comp a player winning session after session, day after day for weeks at a time, trip after trip is nuts.

Are you conceding that MDawg has been comped at the level he's claimed?

Should we expect casinos to offer freeplay to a player that you described above?

Quote: coachbelly

Are you conceding that MDawg has been comped at the level he's claimed?

Should we expect casinos to offer freeplay to a player that you described above?

Have you ever considered changing your forum name to Socrates?

Quote: unJon

Have you ever considered changing your forum name to Socrates?

Did you consider whether or not that forum name is available?

https://wizardofvegas.com/member/socrates/

I want to watch the impossible
Somebody that wins consistently at a negative ev game
Will you allow to observe your play dawg?
I'm in Laughlin but can easily move to an RV park in Vegas such as the Oasis.
If you are willing to let me observe the impossible. I'm willing to move to Las Vegas to observe
I've done this before
Went to Vegas to meet the Wiz and other members to document the Mission mcnuggets challenge videotaping the event for the forum.
Let's cut to the chase and let me observe

Quote: coachbelly

Did you consider whether or not that forum name is available?

https://wizardofvegas.com/member/socrates/

Ha!

Quote: terapined

I want to watch the impossible
Somebody that wins consistently at a negative ev game
Will you allow to observe your play dawg?
I'm in Laughlin but can easily move to an RV park in Vegas such as the Oasis.
If you are willing to let me observe the impossible. I'm willing to move to Las Vegas to observe
I've done this before
Went to Vegas to meet the Wiz and other members to document the Mission mcnuggets challenge videotaping the event for the forum.
Let's cut to the chase and let me observe

He will let you observe for $50,000 which you have to also gamble

I actually proposed another version of that "Let me observe MDawg" wager another time. Which was, show up, watch me play Baccarat. At the end of the session I will either pay you DOUBLE what I lost, or you must pay me double what I won. This last trip I won as much as $30,000. in one session, although most sessions I won much less.

Quote: terapined

Will you allow to observe your play dawg?

Not sure the offer below is still available, but agree to follow the instructions below, and MDawg may allow you to observe.

There's no risk to the observer, the terms are that you may play whatever you want...not that you must gamble.

Quote: MDawg

come and deposit $50K at the cage. He may play whatever he wants to play BJ roulette craps Baccarat I don't care. No sports betting tho. So may I play whatever I want to play, but it has to be play at the same casino. At the end of two weeks I will be in the plus and I will have won more than he. It is a simple challenge, there is no side bet.

Quote: MDawg

I actually proposed another version of that "Let me observe MDawg" wager another time. Which was, show up, watch me play Baccarat. At the end of the session I will either pay you DOUBLE what I lost, or you must pay me double what I won.

It sounds like kewlj is willing to risk 6 figures on a wager like that.

Quote: MDawg

I actually proposed another version of that "Let me observe MDawg" wager another time. Which was, show up, watch me play Baccarat. At the end of the session I will either pay you DOUBLE what I lost, or you must pay me double what I won. This last trip I won as much as $30,000. in one session, although most sessions I won much less.

I really don't gamble much
What's wrong with a non gambler watching your action
Why not get a confirmation that you are doing the impossible.
I want to see the impossible
Maybe I can't see the impossible because its impossible
Prove me wrong dawg

Quote: darkoz

He will let you observe for $50,000 which you have to also gamble

At that price
He's not letting anyone observe the impossible
Maybe because its impossible

DarkOz has a habit of misstating and mis-summarizing what MDawg has said. Or stepping in to alter what was said to suit some other proposal he has to which no one has agreed or would agree. DarkOz doesn't call the shots, MDawg does. If you wish to know exactly what is/was involved with any MDawg wager, including the ones that involve the $50,000. figure, ask CoachBelly, as he has an accurate mind.

I am not interested in providing more proof than what I have online to anonymous internet people, other than the win statements that I am happy to post at the end of the year, unless there is something in it for me. For one, I assume that anyone who has significant cash to put up is more likely to be a legitimate person and somewhere on my level, and therefore not someone I would be reluctant to meet in person. If anyone is so certain that what I have posted is not true, then let's arrange a wager for some real money that makes it worth our time.

Quote: MDawg

I actually proposed another version of that "Let me observe MDawg" wager another time. Which was, show up, watch me play Baccarat. At the end of the session I will either pay you DOUBLE what I lost, or you must pay me double what I won. This last trip I won as much as $30,000. in one session, although most sessions I won much less.

I don't think that really proves anything for that type of wager due to daily variance

However some of the posters on here might agree to a cumulative win/loss over say five days.

I think someone needs to calculate when it passes over into million to one odds for you to win consecutive days at Baccarat.

And then if you achieve beating million to one odds most of the forum members not only will hail you for it but be willing to pay the above type wager

Quote: MDawg

If anyone is so certain that what I have posted is not true, then let's arrange a wager for some real money that makes it worth our time.

What does a wager have to do with proving the impossible
Winning consistently at a negative EV game is impossible
Has nothing to do with a wager
It's impossible
Watching the impossible is definitely worth my time
You proving the impossible should be worth your time. You are doing something nobody else on the planet is doing if we are to believe you. Proving it should be worth your time. You being believed seems important to you looking at all the posts in this thread. If you did not care to be believed then this thread would not exist

All right, so now you're calling me a liar. Saying that what I have stated that I have done is "impossible" is akin to calling it "fiction."

Quote: MDawg

All right, so now you're calling me a liar. Saying that what I have stated that I have done is "impossible" is akin to calling it "fiction."

Which is precisely why you should be willing to prove your impossible claims without a financial demand.

Let me put it to you another way.

If you were to get any number of gambling experts including the Wizard, Michael Blujay, and plenty others to watch you actually achieve your claims in person...

That would be worth $50,000 in multiples.

You could sell books. You might have a movie made. You could charge for the lecture circuit.

Possibilities would be endless

It is mathematically impossible what you claim. Stop calling for everyone who doesn’t believe your claims to be suspended, it’s flat out ridiculous. You want to write it great, let everyone have their own opinions on the validity of it. I personally don’t believe what you write and that is my right to not believe something that goes against logic.

Again, MDawg calls the shots here, not you, so stop saying "Stop calling" to me. And the reason I call the shots is that I just spent nearly seven weeks in Vegas, won nearly $74K, and was fully comp'ed to the tune of mmm...60K or so. That is a fact and unless you have direct proof to the contrary, your post is libelous ("impossible") and suspension worthy, according to the way the Wizard has stated the rules.

It’s not impossible to be net ahead over long term play at a negative expectation game. I believe simulations have shown this to be possible with low house edge wagering. It is, however, impossible to beat the house advantage unless one provides some form of mathematical reasoning as to why he can beat it. Counting cards in black jack would be one way. Dice influence in craps would be another.

I know of no viable method to win at baccarat beyond variance (luck). Variance will only take you so far. It will not allow you to beat the game.

Btw, net ahead could mean ahead by $1 at the end of a gambling career.

No one is using the tables as some kind of consistent income generator, IMO. Even card counting has been hammered to death by the casino bosses.

Quote: Terapined

Winning consistently at a negative EV game is impossible

Quote: MDawg

All right, so now you're calling me a liar. Saying that what I have stated that I have done is "impossible" is akin to calling it "fiction."

T's statement is true, assuming you define consistently as over an infinite period of time. Since he made a generalization I do not interpret it to be equivalent to calling you a liar.

I'm interested in a wager, by the way.

Wizard, which wager?

Quote: TDVegas

It’s not impossible to be net ahead over long term play at a negative expectation game. I believe simulations have shown this to be possible with low house edge wagering. It is, however, impossible to beat the house advantage unless one provides some form of mathematical reasoning as to why he can beat it. Counting cards in black jack would be one way. Dice influence in craps would be another.

I know of no viable method to win at baccarat beyond variance (luck). Variance will only take you so far. It will not allow you to beat the game.

Btw, net ahead could mean ahead by $1 at the end of a gambling career.

No one is using the tables as some kind of consistent income generator, IMO. Even card counting has been hammered to death by the casino bosses.

Mathematically there might not be so much variance in Baccarat, for someone who bets Bank every hand. But there is a tremendous amount of variance between the shoes where I win a lot and the shoes where I lose or break even, based on the way I play. I'd get into details, but it might take a dissertation.

Quote: MDawg

Again, MDawg calls the shots here, not you, so stop saying "Stop calling" to me. And the reason I call the shots is that I just spent nearly seven weeks in Vegas, won nearly $74K, and was fully comp'ed to the tune of mmm...60K or so. That is a fact and unless you have direct proof to the contrary, your post is libelous ("impossible") and suspension worthy, according to the way the Wizard has stated the rules.

Posting a claim and stating “that it is fact”....does not make it fact here. You would have to provide proof of fact that satisfies the other persons belief. It may be fact to you....but that means diddly here.