100xOdds
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October 19th, 2019 at 9:00:34 PM permalink
blackjack, baccarat (banker), craps (single pass or dont pass with max odds), ultimate texas holdem

What i do is press my bet 50% on every win and reset back to the original bet when i lose.
ie: 10,15,20,30,45, etc

OnceDear posted that he uses a limited Martingale and presses up to a certain point on the loss till he wins.
ie: 10,20,30,30,30,30,30... till he wins

Which is better for staying in the game longer?
I think OnceDear's strategy is better in that regard.

i think my strategy has a better chance to either come out ahead in a -EV game or lose faster.

What do you think?
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October 19th, 2019 at 9:42:36 PM permalink
If you're playing BJ and monitoring the flow of the cards and know the count, then winning or losing a bet shouldn't affect the amount of the next bet - it should depend only on the flow/count.

In a game like Baccarat there is no count to track, but if you've played enough Baccarat you know soon enough whether you're in a good shoe that's following a pattern, or a bad one that is random. There's no specific "system" to betting in Baccarat that guarantees a win, but if you're in a good shoe and you keep winning one hand after another that keeps following a pattern, you should realize quickly enough that you should be pressing and just following the pattern until it breaks. In Baccarat if you keep losing bets and the shoe doesn't seem to be following any discernible pattern, time to reduce your bet or leave.
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FleaStiff
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October 20th, 2019 at 5:09:20 AM permalink
Try one system on odd days and the other system on even days. Or perhaps morning versus afternoon.
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October 20th, 2019 at 11:13:32 AM permalink
Increasing a flat bet after a loss is bad for several reasons. Doing so not only increases the at-risk exposure percentage of the now-reduced total bankroll but also surrenders to the natural reaction to frustration. Going on "tilt" is a lurking possibility.

Increasing the exposure percentage is best using only profits after full recovery. A 50% increase after a single win of a flat bet is premature. I recommend fully restoring your rails with your first win. Additional future wins should add to your rails as well as increase the size of your flat bet. You will have a powerful defense against normal wild fluctuations. In short, you will remain in the game a long time and you will be available for a prolonged positive sequence.

An EV of either plus or minus two percent will make little relative difference if your total number of flat bets is only a few hundred. Variance will have a far greater impact on overall results.

You may consider using graph paper to plot out alternative growth paths for your rails under alternative bet size growth paths. Remember that the growth path for your rails begins at negative one bet.

Nothing above is a strategy for winning. It is a strategy for not losing quickly.
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arctichyena
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October 21st, 2019 at 12:11:04 AM permalink
I personally do the same strategy as you.

The other strategy is better to stay in the game longer, but that's not where the fun is for me. The fun for me is in the potentially big payout you get once in a while.

After I started using this pattern (pretty recently), I did get to 8x of my starting amount once, which was pretty fun.
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October 21st, 2019 at 12:14:31 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

If you're playing BJ and monitoring the flow of the cards and know the count, then winning or losing a bet shouldn't affect the amount of the next bet - it should depend only on the flow/count.



But what is the solution for when the count is good and flow is bad, or flow is good but count is bad?
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October 21st, 2019 at 2:38:38 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

But what is the solution for when the count is good and flow is bad, or flow is good but count is bad?


Letís think about this logically. Who is more likely to be in casinos, winners or losers? I say winners, because people who lose donít generally come back. Winners come back to the casino to win more. This weeds out the lucky players versus the true winners.

Iím sure youíve heard it as much as I have, someone at the table getting mad at a newbie for messing with the flow of the cards, asking other players not to jump in because thereís a good flow of cards right now, etc. It seems like it happens at least once a session, but likely much more than that. Even dealers will comment on it, and they are professionals at the game since they deal it 40 hours a week.

Now, how many times have you heard someone talking about the ďcountĒ while at the table? Probably a few times, but not anywhere nearly as often as people talk about the flow of the cards. Sometimes newbie dealers even mention the count ó but how much can we really trust them to know anything about the game if they deal it (shouldnít they be playing if theyíre so smart)?

Itís obvious, the flow of the cards actually matters and the count doesnít, because so many people talk about the flow of the cards and not the count, and casinos are mostly made up of winners (and a few losers) because winners come back and losers stay away.

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October 21st, 2019 at 5:20:19 AM permalink
Win 1, lose 2.
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MDawg
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October 21st, 2019 at 9:26:48 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

But what is the solution for when the count is good and flow is bad, or flow is good but count is bad?


If you mean the sessions where the count is good but you're getting 12s and 13s ceaselessly, it's time to just leave.

If you mean sessions where the count is good the flow LOOKS good but for some reason the dealer is getting the twenties and blackjacks and you're not, this is just the way it happens sometimes and theoretically as long as everything remains in your favor it should continue to swing in your direction until the count/flow change. I mean there are times when everything seems perfect and I jump the bet and lose, then for the very next hand or two I play with emotion and drop the bet only to win the next few in a row, including with a blackjack.

Keep in mind that the count/flow simply swing things in your direction, don't guarantee a win. But over all, I've succeeded in winning a lot at BJ and being banned for a couple years or so due to jumping the bet to the flow of the cards, so it has worked out for me and the casinos obviously don't like it.
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October 21st, 2019 at 9:31:26 AM permalink
If you press on a loss, you'll either lose more money or get back to even.

If you press on a win, you'll either win more money or go back to even.

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