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AcesAndEights
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January 13th, 2012 at 2:50:58 PM permalink
Quote: YoDiceRoll11

I agree that it's possible.

I just don't believe people on the internet all the time. I would be asking more questions of these "investors" through PM. And would want to meet this person FTF for actual accountability. Just an observation, that's all.



Yep I totally understand doubting people on the internet. In this case I believe that he is a real person and the events really happened, based on the sum total of evidence in this thread. But I wouldn't bet on it.
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YoDiceRoll11
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January 13th, 2012 at 5:00:15 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

But I wouldn't bet on it.



My point exactly.
jlnoble2400
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January 16th, 2012 at 4:13:45 AM permalink
I dont think this is the right place to post this but I am going to reply anyways. I have my bachelors degree in statistics from emporia state university. I very recently brought stanford wongs casino tournament strategy book. Because I was trying to think if the math for it was right for what I was thinking as far as a blackjack method that did not involve counting but consistently beat the house. I also bought blackjack software and tested it for 2,000,000,789 hands. My results for this came up stunning I developed what I thought is a a variation of deep stack level progression non going broke betting strategy based on the laws of probability over time. This produces a positive gain for the player and let me explain how it works by explaining what it is not.
We know the math behind martingale doesnt work because you eventually go broke and you are betting to get one unit. What if you took a betting progression strategy and gave yourself aq bankroll of 200 times that betting progression and never went beyond that level you would then becoming up with something that beats the math behind most games because you never progress beyond that barrier of that which you have 200 times the total amount of the progresssion.
In even money games like blackjack the odds of winning one hand without doubling and splittling is close to 48% the odds of winning one out of two hands in blackjack without doubling or splittling is 73% and the odds of winning one out of three hands without doing the same is 86%. So here are the progressions I ran in my computer giving each player 200 X the total amount of each progression to see if we could yield a positive gain running each trial a minimum of 2,000,000,789 hands to account for the proper adjustments, I did 6 progression levels of each 200 deep for the total amount of progression so the players would not go broke if they lost one progression each player resorts back to the minimum bet after winning one progression bet

For the 1x then 5 X progression 200 deep my profit results yielded a constant growth of 12.7% percent over the long term
For the 1X 3X 15X progression 200 deep my profit results yielded a constant growth rate of 11.3% over the long term in simulation
For the 1X 2X 6X 18X progression 200 deep my profit results yielded a constant growth rate of 10.4% over the long term
For the 1x2X 6x 18X 72X progression 200 deep my profit resutls yielded a constant growth rate 9.6% over the long term
For the 1x 2x 6X 18x 54X 216X progression 200 deep my profit results yielded a constant growth rate of 8.7%
For the 1x 2x 6x 18x 54x 162X 1000X 200 deep my profit results yielded a constant growth rate of 6.5%

These trial progressions were ran 2,000,000,789 hands for each progression again the only reason this worked was because each player was sitting 200 deep of the total progression that way if a progression lost the player did not go broke. Cost is broken down as the following this is assuming a 5 dollar min wager

Bankroll for player A 5 + 25 = 30 * 200 = 6000 dollars
Bankroll for player b 5 + 15 + 75 * 200 = 19000 dollars
Bankroll for player c 5 + 10+ 30 + 90 * 200 = 27000 dollars
Bankroll for Player d 5 + 10 + 30 + 90 + 360 * 200 = 99000 dollars
Bankroll for Player e 5 + 10 + 30 + 90 + 270 + 1080 * 200 297000 dollars
Bankroll for Player F 5 = 10 + 30 + 90 + 270 + 810 + 5000 * 200 1,245,000 dollars

The whole premise behind this is to make sure you have 200 X of the total progression. Then the math does it self. Without the 200 X the strategy is no different then a glamoured up martingale. Without the 200 x the math says that this strategy will fail eventually. I would like someone else to do the math for me on this as well because maybe I have overlooked something, or maybe 2,000,000,789 is not enough hands. Yes that is right over 2 billion hands. Anyways get back to me on this please thank u

Jeremy Noble
MichaelBluejay
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January 16th, 2012 at 8:05:34 AM permalink
Post this in a new thread, because it has absolutely nothing to do with the "Craps Strategy Investment Opportunity" thread you posted it to.
dwheatley
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January 16th, 2012 at 9:09:58 AM permalink
Admins are probably are going to want to block this new user, who just posted the same trash 12 times in half an hour across the board.
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jlnoble2400
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January 16th, 2012 at 9:57:14 AM permalink
Actually it does I think there is a universal betting strategy for all the table games. I was just curious what the odds would be of losing 12 dont pass bets back to back
DiceTrakkr
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March 14th, 2012 at 8:55:18 PM permalink
The reason dice table personnel (box person / stick person) want you to hit the back wall waffle pattern is to level the game ???

Whether true or not is not relevant, however, what many of you may not have given much thought to, is the person tossing the dice is no less generating random numbers (like your computer and casino slot machines) ... Yeah! Believe it or not, the person is a walking, talking, RNG mortal ...

But, to the point of Mr. Soopoo >>> you are, sir, talking through your hat ---

Craps is not a statistical or mathematical game !!! It is physical and you attack the game physically !!!

How ??? Using your brains, which most dice players have, but, fail to use !!!

The simple truth is players do not lose at craps because they are stupid --- they lose because of habits of which I won't waste my time explaining ...

As a retired dice dealer, Majestic Star Casino, Buffington Harbor, Gary, Indiana (USA) I know what good strategies can accomplish --- Hell, I've been doing it for 17 years; had my 76th birthday going into my 18th year !!!

I dare say, Mr. Soopoo, do not snub your nose about a subject which you may not have thoroughly accomplished your due-diligence ???

Tally Ho Pardners;
DiceTrakkr
DiceTrakkr
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March 14th, 2012 at 9:10:23 PM permalink
To believe odds behind the pass line is the best house wager tells me you have been brain-washed by a family member, friend or other person who in turn was also indoctrinated to craps by a family member, friend or other with less craps knowledge ...

Anytime you lock yourself into a contract and must wait for the final decision is akin to sucker bets !!!

Likewise, "come" bets are no friend to pass side players ...

Lordy, Lordy, how people have been lead down the "pea-path" by expert casino marketers !!!

Tally Ho Pardners
WongBo
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March 14th, 2012 at 9:15:58 PM permalink
You seem to be building toward making exaggerated claims with nothing to back them up.
Or do you have a guaranteed system you are trying to peddle?
Let's have it!
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief. - Proverb.
Triplell
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March 14th, 2012 at 11:11:36 PM permalink
Quote: DiceTrakkr

To believe odds behind the pass line is the best house wager tells me you have been brain-washed by a family member, friend or other person who in turn was also indoctrinated to craps by a family member, friend or other with less craps knowledge ...

Anytime you lock yourself into a contract and must wait for the final decision is akin to sucker bets !!!

Likewise, "come" bets are no friend to pass side players ...

Lordy, Lordy, how people have been lead down the "pea-path" by expert casino marketers !!!

Tally Ho Pardners



The $5 is contract, the odds can be added/taken from at free will.

Also, the wager is BlackJack is a contract bet. It must be a sucker bet...

The odds bet is the best bet at the craps table...it may not be the best bet in the house, however...

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