Wizard
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September 29th, 2010 at 1:54:58 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

I have a growing and burning curiosity to see exactly what it was he sent you.

Me too. I hope if the system fails any of the simulations discussed that 98steps will lift the gag order. Consider it a request.
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MathExtremist
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September 29th, 2010 at 2:13:57 PM permalink
I thought he said it was the d'Alembert system. What's interesting about that?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
guido111
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September 29th, 2010 at 3:31:31 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

I thought he said it was the d'Alembert system. What's interesting about that?

yes, I read the earlier post by 98steps.

Most system players at Craps get caught up in the belief, false one that is, that just because they win 5 sessions here and 10 sessions there, that they "know they are on to something".

sometimes it takes those BIG losing sessions to make them "see the light of day"

But if 98steps still thinks he can beat the challenge, win \$10k to \$30k,
lets get the ball rolling again. English is English, shorthand is shorthand,

98steps, just write out your system for the challenge as though you would explain it to your Grandma. Im sure then, Mr. MB could understand it and program away.
We are all waiting to see what happens.
MichaelBluejay
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September 29th, 2010 at 3:53:58 PM permalink
Quote: guido111

98steps, just write out your system for the challenge as though you would explain it to your Grandma.

That's a good idea. I'm fluent in Grandma.

Wizard, if 98 signs a contract and you're the judge, then you'd *have* to be privy to the system in order to judge. But you're not the judge until we sign a contract.

You know, I'm thinking of changing the order of the Challenge Rules so that we execute a contract *before* the system is explained to me. The reason I specified seeing the system before we did the contract was just to try to make sure someone wasn't trying to game the system (i.e., trying to find a loophole to beat *me* rather than trying to prove that they really have a winning betting system playable in the casino.) But if my contract is good enough then it can weed out lame-o's like that. And also, if we sign the contract and then someone doesn't properly explain the system, then I can win because the challenger failed to explain it properly. (That would be in the contract.) The judge would determine whether the system were understandable, and the challenger would have the same recourse as for losing the challenge: having an arbiter decide the issue.

Anyway, you all quit telling 98 that his challenge is folly. Otherwise he might believe you and withdraw from the challenge and then I'm \$1000 poorer!

On the other hand, I have to look worried in order to encourage 98 to proceed with the challenge. And you know, by golly, I'm so nervous right now because I'm about to lose \$10,000. When I put up my challenge offer, what the hell was I thinking?
7craps
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September 29th, 2010 at 4:06:12 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

That's a good idea. I'm fluent in Grandma.

An update.
Great Grandma lines!

I am to a 50% level in programming 98steps system. All goes well I should be completed by the weekend and offer 98steps the chance to see results and to make any corrections.
After speaking with him over the phone yesterday, and I am sure he will post this also, he has done a rewrite (75%) on his system and has shown it to me.

What an improvement!

makes perfect sense in easy to read English, even to someones' Grandma, way better than his first attempt.
When I first read the system, my first comment out loud was "WTF". but after reading a few more times I understood it. So I pat myself on the back for that one!

I'm doing my best to build up the excitement.
98steps is very confident he can beat the challenge and I too want to see the attempt become a reality.
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7craps
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September 29th, 2010 at 4:12:41 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

I thought he said it was the d'Alembert system. What's interesting about that?

I, being an ex-dice dealer, and have seen about every system or a variation of one, can say I have seen parts of 98 system before. But, Not exactly the way he plays.

He offers a few things that are different from what I have seen about the classic d'Alembert system, that being up 1 unit after a loss and down 1 unit after a win.

For those of you that know little about the D'Alembert system:
from wikipedia:"While he made great strides in mathematics and physics, d'Alembert is also famously known for incorrectly arguing in Croix ou Pile that the probability of a coin landing heads increased for every time that it came up tails. In gambling, the strategy of decreasing one's bet the more one wins and increasing one's bet the more one loses is therefore called the D'Alembert system, a type of martingale."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_le_Rond_d'Alembert
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appistappis
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September 29th, 2010 at 4:23:35 PM permalink
my grandma played the don'ts
7craps
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September 29th, 2010 at 4:31:43 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Me too. I hope if the system fails any of the simulations discussed that 98steps will lift the gag order. Consider it a request.

98steps, Did you read the Wizards post carefully?

Quote: Wizard

Me too. I hope "if" the system fails...

The Wizard used the word "if".
My question. Wizard did you mean to use the "if" word knowing your stance on betting systems?
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Wizard
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September 29th, 2010 at 4:52:39 PM permalink
Quote: 7craps

My question. Wizard did you mean to use the "if" word knowing your stance on betting systems?

Of course it will fail. There is no doubt about that. The reason I wrote "if" is I'm not convinced the thing will ever be put to any test. We need to find somebody who understands it, is capable of simulating it, and is willing to. A lot of progress has been made, but nobody has produced any results that I'm aware of yet.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Zcore13
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