The Iron Cross Craps Startegy in NailsULA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onjcFRcWAXs&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjwDc7NjCEHP4e-bEQTVRe0U
7 videos, total time 12:18
Craps players LOVE this strategy, called the Iron Cross. My version of it starts on the come-out roll with a $60 don't-pass line bet, hedged with a $2 yo-11. This is repeated for all come-out rolls. If the point is either 5, 6, or 8, we just wait for the roll to end. But if the point is a 4, 9, or 10, then we make $60 bets on the place-5, place-6, place-8 and the field.
Although the strategy starts out on the don't side, the actual goal is is to get on a very long, sustained run of numbers... not the point number and not the 7-out. When the point is a 4, 9, or 10, EVERY ROLL pays!!! The 2 pays $120, the 3 pays $60, the 4 pays $60, the 5 pays $24 (that is the $84 for the $60 place-5, minus the $60 lost for the field), the 6 pays $10 ($70 - $60), ditto for the 8, the 9 pays $60, the 10 pays $60, the yo-11 pays $60 and the 12 pays $180!
The risk of exposure is minimal because we hedge the come-out don't-pass line bet with a $2 yo. Next, when we get on a 5, 6, or 8 point, we have an advantage odds play. Finally, if we do get on a 4, 9, or 10 point and go ahead and invest an additional $240, we are immediately hedged by our don't pass line bet... if any of those number repeat, yea, we lose the $60 line bet but we win on the field, and that's why we only establish the Iron Cross when the point is 4, 9, or 10.
The video playlist shows how the strategy is programmed in my downloadable gaming system called e_gamers (as featured in the Matt Parker 3-dice challenge video) using a facility called TheBetmaker....
https://youtu.be/hBBftD7gq7Y?t=806
(watch for 3 1/2 minutes starting at 13:30)
In that video's "show more" description, you can find a link to "Marty Wollner Long Description".
http://spikersystems.com/FlashNet_Pointer/www/downloads/SpikerSystems/P1_Demo_Demo/SpikerSystems_Patent.htm
In that colorful document is a link to download the e-gamers system on Windows-10. Here is a direct link to it...
Link removed, with permission, by management
I have a video playlist that discusses installing and testing it on your own Windows-10 system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHh0ui5mi_E&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjxAufYlaPfCkuE5_O5N7vtd
(Start with video # 9 for the install instructions)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSWY6xOLV34&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjxAufYlaPfCkuE5_O5N7vtd&index=9
Contact me if you have problems and/or questions, or if you want me to help you program your own strategy tests using TheBetMaker. TheBetMaker lets you program strategies using the craps layout wagering buttons, along with a set of programmable conditions, for example "If on the come-out roll" or "If the point is 9".
TheBetMaker is not as fast nor as complete as WinCraps, but it is easy to use and it works on all of our 22 unique games, including Roulette, Ricochet, and 3-Dice-Craps. The strategy programing instructions are stored on disk files; the programming language is named NailsULA after my cat Nails.
Marty, 03-Oct-2016
He tells me that many of his posts have been censored by other admins. I'd like to suggest some rules between discflicker and management. Discflicker can post only links to YouTube videos and other web sites. No zip files or file sharing sites. Management shall give him the benefit of the doubt for now about his motives.
I've said this privately, but just the mention of systems sets off big red flags here.
Quote: WizardThe poster above assures me that he is not selling a system. He says the free software he is promoting actually proves systems don't win. .
If you make it to video # 8
Yet in the meantime they say things like.....
"This is a money making strategy just trust me"
"Watch how much money we are making here"
"We are making money on each roll just watch me"
Quote: discflickerCraps players LOVE this strategy
Says who? Lots of online chatter, I never see anyone playing it.
Playing the Iron Cross at the dice table is like playing Low + 3rd Dozen at the roulette table. You win on most throws / spins, but the losers more than make up for it.Quote: CalderSays who? Lots of online chatter, I never see anyone playing it.
Quote: MathExtremistPlaying the Iron Cross at the dice table is like playing Low + 3rd Dozen at the roulette table. You win on most throws / spins, but the losers more than make up for it.
They all just make up some nonsensical money management scheme to justify it though.
Quote: alphastormwhat's the point of making a don't pass before playing the iron cross? Also, if you hit the point, you break even but if the 7 comes, you lose $180. If you are winning, you win very little but when you are losing, you lose big. This is why hedging doesn't work.
Money management and iron cross. Where have I heard that one before?
Quote: discflicker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onjcFRcWAXs&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjwDc7NjCEHP4e-bEQTVRe0U
7 videos, total time 12:18
Craps players LOVE this strategy, called the Iron Cross. My version of it starts on the come-out roll with a $60 don't-pass line bet, hedged with a $2 yo-11. This is repeated for all come-out rolls. If the point is either 5, 6, or 8, we just wait for the roll to end. But if the point is a 4, 9, or 10, then we make $60 bets on the place-5, place-6, place-8 and the field.
Although the strategy starts out on the don't side, the actual goal is is to get on a very long, sustained run of numbers... not the point number and not the 7-out. When the point is a 4, 9, or 10, EVERY ROLL pays!!! The 2 pays $120, the 3 pays $60, the 4 pays $60, the 5 pays $24 (that is the $84 for the $60 place-5, minus the $60 lost for the field), the 6 pays $10 ($70 - $60), ditto for the 8, the 9 pays $60, the 10 pays $60, the yo-11 pays $60 and the 12 pays $180!
The risk of exposure is minimal because we hedge the come-out don't-pass line bet with a $2 yo. Next, when we get on a 5, 6, or 8 point, we have an advantage odds play. Finally, if we do get on a 4, 9, or 10 point and go ahead and invest an additional $240, we are immediately hedged by our don't pass line bet... if any of those number repeat, yea, we lose the $60 line bet but we win on the field, and that's why we only establish the Iron Cross when the point is 4, 9, or 10.
The video playlist shows how the strategy is programmed in my downloadable gaming system called e_gamers (as featured in the Matt Parker 3-dice challenge video) using a facility called TheBetmaker....
https://youtu.be/hBBftD7gq7Y?t=806
(watch for 3 1/2 minutes starting at 13:30)
In that video's "show more" description, you can find a link to "Marty Wollner Long Description".
http://spikersystems.com/FlashNet_Pointer/www/downloads/SpikerSystems/P1_Demo_Demo/SpikerSystems_Patent.htm
In that colorful document is a link to download the e-gamers system on Windows-10. Here is a direct link to it...
Link removed, with permission, by management
I have a video playlist that discusses installing and testing it on your own Windows-10 system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHh0ui5mi_E&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjxAufYlaPfCkuE5_O5N7vtd
(Start with video # 9 for the install instructions)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSWY6xOLV34&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjxAufYlaPfCkuE5_O5N7vtd&index=9
Contact me if you have problems and/or questions, or if you want me to help you program your own strategy tests using TheBetMaker. TheBetMaker lets you program strategies using the craps layout wagering buttons, along with a set of programmable conditions, for example "If on the come-out roll" or "If the point is 9".
TheBetMaker is not as fast nor as complete as WinCraps, but it is easy to use and it works on all of our 22 unique games, including Roulette, Ricochet, and 3-Dice-Craps. The strategy programing instructions are stored on disk files; the programming language is named NailsULA after my cat Nails.
Marty, 03-Oct-2016
PLOPPY ALERT
Quote: CasinoKillerQuote: discflicker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onjcFRcWAXs&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjwDc7NjCEHP4e-bEQTVRe0U
7 videos, total time 12:18
Craps players LOVE this strategy, called the Iron Cross. My version of it starts on the come-out roll with a $60 don't-pass line bet, hedged with a $2 yo-11. This is repeated for all come-out rolls. If the point is either 5, 6, or 8, we just wait for the roll to end. But if the point is a 4, 9, or 10, then we make $60 bets on the place-5, place-6, place-8 and the field.
Although the strategy starts out on the don't side, the actual goal is is to get on a very long, sustained run of numbers... not the point number and not the 7-out. When the point is a 4, 9, or 10, EVERY ROLL pays!!! The 2 pays $120, the 3 pays $60, the 4 pays $60, the 5 pays $24 (that is the $84 for the $60 place-5, minus the $60 lost for the field), the 6 pays $10 ($70 - $60), ditto for the 8, the 9 pays $60, the 10 pays $60, the yo-11 pays $60 and the 12 pays $180!
The risk of exposure is minimal because we hedge the come-out don't-pass line bet with a $2 yo. Next, when we get on a 5, 6, or 8 point, we have an advantage odds play. Finally, if we do get on a 4, 9, or 10 point and go ahead and invest an additional $240, we are immediately hedged by our don't pass line bet... if any of those number repeat, yea, we lose the $60 line bet but we win on the field, and that's why we only establish the Iron Cross when the point is 4, 9, or 10.
The video playlist shows how the strategy is programmed in my downloadable gaming system called e_gamers (as featured in the Matt Parker 3-dice challenge video) using a facility called TheBetmaker....
https://youtu.be/hBBftD7gq7Y?t=806
(watch for 3 1/2 minutes starting at 13:30)
In that video's "show more" description, you can find a link to "Marty Wollner Long Description".
http://spikersystems.com/FlashNet_Pointer/www/downloads/SpikerSystems/P1_Demo_Demo/SpikerSystems_Patent.htm
In that colorful document is a link to download the e-gamers system on Windows-10. Here is a direct link to it...
Link removed, with permission, by management
I have a video playlist that discusses installing and testing it on your own Windows-10 system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHh0ui5mi_E&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjxAufYlaPfCkuE5_O5N7vtd
(Start with video # 9 for the install instructions)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSWY6xOLV34&list=PL5sNoUTU2sjxAufYlaPfCkuE5_O5N7vtd&index=9
Contact me if you have problems and/or questions, or if you want me to help you program your own strategy tests using TheBetMaker. TheBetMaker lets you program strategies using the craps layout wagering buttons, along with a set of programmable conditions, for example "If on the come-out roll" or "If the point is 9".
TheBetMaker is not as fast nor as complete as WinCraps, but it is easy to use and it works on all of our 22 unique games, including Roulette, Ricochet, and 3-Dice-Craps. The strategy programing instructions are stored on disk files; the programming language is named NailsULA after my cat Nails.
Marty, 03-Oct-2016
PLOPPY ALERT
This is rude and a borderline personal insult. Last warning, stacked on the F-bomb. Thank you.
Quote: alphastormwhat's the point of making a don't pass before playing the iron cross? Also, if you hit the point, you break even but if the 7 comes, you lose $180. If you are winning, you win very little but when you are losing, you lose big. This is why hedging doesn't work.
I have requested this thread to be deleted because of the warning issued by beachbumbabs (above). I apologize for "advertising" even though that was not my intent.
The odds of winning a don't pass are about the same as a pass line. I know, the strategy can be played using only the field and the 5,6, and 8. BUT... The don't pass lets you get into the most perfect hedging strategy when the point is a 4,9, or 10... you see, those automagically hedge the repeating of the point with the field, and that's why I only make those 4 bets when the point is 4, 9, or 10.
Quote: discflickerI have requested this thread to be deleted because of the warning issued by beachbumbabs (above). I apologize for "advertising" even though that was not my intent.
The odds of winning a don't pass are about the same as a pass line. I know, the strategy can be played using only the field and the 5,6, and 8. BUT... The don't pass lets you get into the most perfect hedging strategy when the point is a 4,9, or 10... you see, those automagically hedge the repeating of the point with the field, and that's why I only make those 4 bets when the point is 4, 9, or 10.
Discflicker,
I have watched your threads and checked your links all along, and have seen no unwelcome or rule-breaking activity. On the contrary, you have been polite, enthusiastic and within the rules of the forum, and your presence is welcome, even if others disagree with your contentions.
I was talking to CasinoKiller about his rudeness to you. There were many ways he could have discussed his objections or insights into your posts, short of being personally offensive.
Quote: beachbumbabsI was talking to CasinoKiller about his rudeness to you.
DUH. I'm sorry I misunderstood, I thought you were reading me the riot act, after this.
Quote: beachbumbabsThere were many ways he could have discussed his objections or insights into your posts, short of being personally offensive.
I don't know what "PLOPPY ALERT" means... I tried to Google it, but it came back with nothing. I did find this, however...
Well, I already deleted my last blog post about this stuff, but the Wizard wouldn't remove these two threads I asked him (and yourself) to remove, so I guess it's all good, eh? I'm certain the comment was negative, but please know that I have a thick skin, it don't bother me none.
I WAS responsible for Jerry Logan's boot from WOV way back when, but he deserved it.
A ploppy is a made up word , it's short for a person who plops down on any seat available in a casino while disregarding the rules, payback, house advantage or proper strategy. Basically, a dumb gambler. Look at that ploppy, he's playing 6/5 Jacks or better when there's an open 9/6 Jacks or better right next to him. Wow, he just held an Ace over a pair of 10's.Quote: discflickerDUH. I'm sorry I misunderstood, I thought you were reading me the riot act, after this.
I don't know what "PLOPPY ALERT" means... I tried to Google it, but it came back with nothing. I did find this, however...
Well, I already deleted my last blog post about this stuff, but the Wizard wouldn't remove these two threads I asked him (and yourself) to remove, so I guess it's all good, eh? I'm certain the comment was negative, but please know that I have a thick skin, it don't bother me none.
I WAS responsible for Jerry Logan's boot from WOV way back when, but he deserved it.
"Ploppy. A term coined by gambling author Frank Scoblete to describe a typical uninformed gambler. A ploppy often is ignorant, offensive, and sometimes tries to influence other patrons' actions through superstition or stating as fact his or her misunderstanding of the games or odds. (See also: Civilian)"
OK, so why is he accusing me of being uninformed when I'm explaining how any and all strategies are equally useless? How using conservative bets can help extend your play-time? How there is something called entertainment value, and only a mad-man would try winning by gambling more than he can afford?Quote: Ibeatyouraceshttp://bj21.com/glossary/pages/p.html
"Ploppy. A term coined by gambling author Frank Scoblete to describe a typical uninformed gambler. A ploppy often is ignorant, offensive, and sometimes tries to influence other patrons' actions through superstition or stating as fact his or her misunderstanding of the games or odds. (See also: Civilian)"
OK, fine, he is correct; for the levels of understanding of most the patrons of WOV, this IS low-level and obvious, but I put it in "betting systems" and I expect it to be read by uninformed "Ploppies". I am no genius, but I have derived the basic pass-line maths from scratch, as discussed here. Is my math wrong? Does my gaming system make wrong payouts?
Quote: discflickerOK, so why is he accusing me of being uninformed when I'm explaining how any and all strategies are equally useless? How using conservative bets can help extend your play-time? How there is something called entertainment value, and only a mad-man would try winning by gambling more than he can afford?
OK, fine, he is correct; for the levels of understanding of most the patrons of WOV, this IS low-level and obvious, but I put it in "betting systems" and I expect it to be read by uninformed "Ploppies". I am no genius, but I have derived the basic pass-line maths from scratch, as discussed here. Is my math wrong? Does my gaming system make wrong payouts?
There's always people out there that like to hide behind the computer and criticize and make fun of others. They are too chicken to do it in person. Ignore them and move on.
