thormx270
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March 30th, 2016 at 7:01:32 PM permalink
Casino allows betting of the player and banker simultaneously for EZ Baccarat game (tie, dragon and panda bets available). Are there any advantages for the player in terms of being rated (for comps/promotions etc.) when betting this way?
ThatDonGuy
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March 30th, 2016 at 8:51:37 PM permalink
I would think that, since the HE for banker is lower than it is for player, whoever is doing the bean counting for comps would give you more consideration if you bet all of the money on player rather than half on player and half on banker.

Am I missing something, like earning points towards Diamond For A Day or something?
andysif
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March 30th, 2016 at 9:43:14 PM permalink
casino ain't stupid (well, sometimes they are, but probably not on this matter). I will bet you any comps given is worth less than the 5% commission (or whatever % for EZ) that they received from you betting both side.
RS
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March 30th, 2016 at 10:16:08 PM permalink
I dunno about bacarats, but I know in craps, oftentimes a floorman will rate off setting bets as $0 (i.e.: $25 pass and $25 don't pass). Sometime they rate is as $50. For bacarats....no idea. The floor people I know in the bac pits don't rate anyone because they hate all players.
rushdl
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March 31st, 2016 at 6:48:53 AM permalink
I get tiny little teensy little points for playing both sides at the craps table. Nickel/Nickel for 3.5 hours got me 20 points. I play the odds which are not rated at all. I believe that they are rating me at $5 flat in the above scenario. Sound about right?
thormx270
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March 31st, 2016 at 8:18:10 PM permalink
This is a commission free baccarat game. Players are betting even money on player and banker and then making smaller bets on the dragon and panda bets. Just curious if anyone has any insight on what betting amount the player should be rated at? If they are rated for total of all bets but the player-banker bets essentially carry no risk to the player, it would seem the player has an advantage to possibly accruing more comps/players card points with the perceived higher wager.
andysif
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April 1st, 2016 at 3:30:55 AM permalink
Quote: thormx270

This is a commission free baccarat game. Players are betting even money on player and banker and then making smaller bets on the dragon and panda bets. Just curious if anyone has any insight on what betting amount the player should be rated at? If they are rated for total of all bets but the player-banker bets essentially carry no risk to the player, it would seem the player has an advantage to possibly accruing more comps/players card points with the perceived higher wager.


There is no such thing as a "commission free baccarat".
if it is commission free, you will be comped at $0.

commission is hidden when you are paid half when banker hits 6.

and if you are not convinced and worried that you will not be comped "properly" when betting both, just get a buddy to do it with you. there is no excuse for the casino not to comp you both in "full amount".
heerokonami
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April 2nd, 2016 at 9:12:22 PM permalink
This.

Very good method of play. But works better with craps.
MichelobMike
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December 31st, 2016 at 6:06:04 AM permalink
I play a commissioned baccarat and have just began playing both sides 25-25 &5 on both bonuses I asked pit boss what I was being rated and he told me 50$ a hand because on player wins I lose my 25 banker and on banker wins I have to pay commission. I'm not a statistics wizard but my simplified math tells me i have an edge over the house. 5-9pt winners I win money, naturals nat. Ties and 4pt winners I break even, and ties 1-3 pt wins I lose ten bucks. The the risk to reward is also in my favor with the majority of my winning options paying 4-1 or better
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December 31st, 2016 at 6:50:54 AM permalink
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I play a commissioned baccarat and have just began playing both sides 25-25 &5 on both bonuses I asked pit boss what I was being rated and he told me 50$ a hand because on player wins I lose my 25 banker and on banker wins I have to pay commission. I'm not a statistics wizard but my simplified math tells me i have an edge over the house. 5-9pt winners I win money, naturals nat. Ties and 4pt winners I break even, and ties 1-3 pt wins I lose ten bucks. The the risk to reward is also in my favor with the majority of my winning options paying 4-1 or better



if you keep revealing our AP secrets, what's going to happen?

Here's another secret: that was sarcasm. Ponder these things for a bit:

*do you really think you are the first person to think of betting both ways?

*since about 10 trillion players have thought of it, the House is very used to it. Ask yourself why they allow it.

*detailing outcomes without weighing probabilities is a sign of bad math. But I won't even try to figure out where you went wrong.

*Why? because no combination of bets against a house edge can turn into bets favoring the player. Every bet you list has a house edge. It is a truism that this is instantly dismissable. Take that to the bank.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder

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