whats your favorite system in craps :)

Yes. Here is the breakdown on my "ANYTHING BUT EASY 4". Numbers: 3-Hard4-5-6-8-9-10-11 wins $7. Number 7 wins $6. Numbers 2 & 3 win $14 (double on 2 & 3 in the Field).



Bets: Put $10 on the 5, $12 on the 6, $12 on the 8, $140 on the Lay4, and $20 on the Hard4.

140 on Lay4 = $67 -$20 (on the Field) -$41 (on the 5/6/8/Field) = $6

20 on Hard4 =$140 (7x) +$7 (on the Field) -$140 (on the Lay4) = $7



36 ROLL EXPECTATION:

2 = 14 x1 = 14

3 = 7 x2 = 14

Easy4 = -140 -20 +7 = -153x2 = -306

Hard4 = 7 x3 = 21

5 = 7 x4 = 28

6 = 7 x5 = 35

7 = 6 x6 = 36

8 = 7 x5 = 35

9 = 7 x4 = 28

10 = 7 x3 = 21

11 = 7 x2 = 14

12 = 14 x1 = 14



260 -306 = -46





LOSES 2 OUT OF 36 !

Win percent: 34/36 = 94.4 !

Put up 201

Average Win = 260/34 = 7.647

Loss = -153

Have to Win 20x



A few years ago I went to a $50,000 Craps Tournament in Vegas. You had to roll an 11 when playing to get an invitation. I made it and they gave everyone at the table about $5,000 in chips and play was to be one hour long. I put up most of the chips according to this method, and the shooter threw a 3-1, an easy 4!!! Ouch.

With this system, times everything by 1,000 and Buy the 5. ONE ROLL ONLY! Win 7,000 - 14,000. If an easy4 comes up you lose over 30,000. But you have an over 94 per cent chance of winning ONE ROLL ONLY. This certainly is not for someone who likes to spend some time at the table. Bro. Rick

Pass $10 and don't pass $15. Let a point get established.

Bet $75 on don't come, $90 on don't pass odds, $5 yo.

Once my DC is established, I place $10 on come and place $10-12 on each of the numbers that are not my DC, take down my don't pass odds, place max pass odds, and if my DC is a even number I will place $5 on the hardway. Press the come odds when possible.

I make money when a shooter goes on a streak, and I'm pretty damn well hedged when they don't.

7C and I have "conversed" a number of times back in '10 & '11 relating to his versions of craps "math." After a point is established, 7 C, there ARE 30 ways to win and only 6 ways to lose using the "cross" on any given roll of the dice. If one were to divide 30 by 6 ( the number of ways to roll a 7), the answer is 5. Therefore, any player using the "cross" or similar betting pattern which covers all the other possible numbers 2 thru 12 excluding the 7, has a 5 to 1 edge over the house as stated above.

That is my favorite "system," and the way I commit to it has continuously provided positive results.

tuttigym

Walked into the local casino on a Friday in the hour before 5pm and both tables were at $15 (instead of a $5 and a $10 table). The parking lot was a bit full. I spent a moment to ask the dealer (before I left, lol) what the maximums are. He said they are $1000 on the line with up to 10X odds up to $3000 on the $5 & $10 tables; and $2000 on the line with up to 10X odds up to $6000 on the $15 table. Maybe I should go in tomorrow night and see what the $25 tables max out at.

I'm reworking my odds progressions on a 1.2X multiple, so I can top it out at 6 points in a row to get to 10X my original odds bet. Just add $5 for every $25 bet on a win.

Extensive listing of links to Craps systems:

http://www.starchip.com/crapdata.htm

I randomly read The Army System to make $1500 with $5 on the 4 & 10 to start with. I feel a bit nervous not getting paid back soon enough so I modified it a bit.
I'd Buy the 4 & 10 for $25 each after the come-out. When it hits, remove bets from the 4 & 10, and place $100 on the 5 or 9. When the 5 or 9 hits, I'll have $240, so I'll keep $60 (to pay off my original 4 & 10 bets), remove the 5 or 9 bet, and place $180 on the 6 or 8. When the 6 or 8 hits, place $300 on the other 6 or 8 and keep $90. I'm trying to mimic the Fire Bet a little so I get paid something for a 4th, 5th & 6th hit instead of everything on the 6th hit. When the 2nd 6 or 8 hits, I'll have $650, so I'll keep $150 and put $500 on the other 5 or 9 (that hasn't hit yet, or not). No word yet if my local casino lets me buy the 5 or 9 at this level. If I win, I'll have $1200, and I'd pocket $150, and Buy the other 4 or 10 for $1000 + $50 Vig. When the last 4 or 10 wins I win $2000 and for $50 more I can keep my bet up and have almost $2400 already, or nearly 50 times my 2 original bets. Extra wins will add $1950 a piece.

On a repeat: If I thought this shooter was going a lot further, I could split my Buy 4 or 10 bet to $500 a piece, if one hits I could move to the 5 or 9 at $2000. If the table max is higher than $2K, a win on the 5 or 9 would get me to $4800. I could pocket $1200 and bet $3600 on the 6 or 8, pocket $1800 on that win and bet $6000 on the other 6 or 8. A win would then get me $13,000, so I'd pocket $3000 and bet $10,000 on the 5 or 9 again. If the 5 or 9 wins, I'd pocket $4000 and Buy the 4 & 10 for $10000 each. Each win pays $19500.

It is my opinion that any player needs to define "success" or what "winning" looks like. I believe that the "average" player will buy in at $300-$600. All the systems shown above absolutely require a "hot" shooter or a "cold" table to win "big" $$$$ however that is defined. Each and every "system" volunteered on this thread whether simple or complicated also requires the "hot" or "cold." Those instances are, in reality, quite rare occurring perhaps 12% of the time. That means the average player will go bust around 88% of the time and is quite unlikely to ever recover.

True Example: About 3 years ago a very high roller playing at the Hard Rock in Biloxi won $1.3 million. It was advertised and touted in the monthly gambling news magazine distributed throughout the southeast. A friend of mine asked his casino host at the Hard Rock about the story. He was told that it was absolutely true. That the player was a long time patron and that even with that huge win, the player was only down about $800,000.

My point is that "winning" consistently at craps is not likely to happen regardless of the system used unless one can commit to lowered expectations and realistic goals.

tuttigym

Quote: tuttigym

True Example: About 3 years ago a very high roller playing at the Hard Rock in Biloxi won $1.3 million. It was advertised and touted in the monthly gambling news magazine distributed throughout the southeast. A friend of mine asked his casino host at the Hard Rock about the story. He was told that it was absolutely true. That the player was a long time patron and that even with that huge win, the player was only down about $800,000.

Feel free to out that hosts name, because they shouldn't be giving out information like that. Of course, I realize that most people are not going to out their own host who is giving them information. I know I wouldn't.

I realize this probably isn't a big deal. We dont even know if they gave the correct information. However, I know that hosts have given out information about other players they have no business giving out.

Instead of dwelling on the minutia host, why not comment on the substance of the post? Over the years, these forums and threads have touted literally hundreds, if not, thousands of posts, comments, queries, and craps "math" to possibly make us all "winners," yet there seems to be little discussion on the realities of the game and how to deal with those outcomes.


My point is: If one touts a "system," then tell us all how long you have used it; how long you have been committed to it; and the results experienced over a period of 50 or so sessions if in fact that "system" was used that long before being abandoned, and the player has decided to "move on."

tuttigym

I occasionally will use Oscars Grind. It usually works. Sometimes it doesn't. More often, it does.

You've gotta set some session limits on your Oscar's Grind or you'll just keep kiting up the bet in a losing streak before you get back to even.
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Yes, my session BR when grinding is rarely more than $50. I was playing $1 BJ at Hooters the other night waiting for the Rob Van Dam show. Played about fifteen minutes and walked away up $4. WINNING!

The casino has entertainment but the shows might cost $100. Nothing like winning 5 hands of $25 Blackjack to pay to get in and buy a drink.

Quote: ChumpChange

The casino has entertainment but the shows might cost $100. Nothing like winning 5 hands of $25 Blackjack to pay to get in and buy a drink.

How about winning five hands of $1 BJ, getting a free semi-cold beer and free show tickets. Life B. Goode

Quote: billryan

I occasionally will use Oscars Grind. It usually works. Sometimes it doesn't. More often, it does.

Most systems usually work, but sometimes they don't work. That's the problem.

Had my biggest win at the tables just place betting the 6 on a $6, $6, $12, $12, $12, $24, $24 progression, and betting the line only when I was shooting. By the time I was shooting a second time, they put up a shot clock telling everybody they were gonna double the table minimums in 20 minutes. I was told by another player I would be grandfathered in, but I won so much I decided to call it quits. Now I'm down $18 and a tank of gas for the season.

I also got to 2000 points on my player card (after about 20 hours of playing at the $6 level), so they upgraded me to a new card which qualifies me for free drinks at the tables, which I was already getting anyway. I'd have to gamble for 20 hours at the $120 bet level to get to 40,000 points which is the next card upgrade; and gamble for 20 hours more at the $360 bet level to get to the 160,000 point level to get to the top card upgrade. Would this take a week or two? Depends on my luck.

Quote: BlackjackLover

Most systems usually work, but sometimes they don't work. That's the problem.

Why is it a problem?

Well, there's your system, and there's the reality of your luck, which is usually like drowning in quicksand. If you can get quick wins before bad luck or the house advantage overtakes you, you might be able to quit while you're ahead, or bet lower once you reach the top (but there is no top without a system).

Quote: ChumpChange

Well, there's your system, and there's the reality of your luck, which is usually like drowning in quicksand. If you can get quick wins before bad luck or the house advantage overtakes you, you might be able to quit while you're ahead, or bet lower once you reach the top (but there is no top without a system).

Then it isn't a system, is it?

Quote: billryan

Why is it a problem?

Most systems make you get small wins most of the time, but when it fails, it will be catastrophic. There is no system that makes you get small wins most of the time and makes you lose only a little when it fails. If that ever happens, it's just luck.

Quote: billryan

I occasionally will use Oscars Grind. It usually works. Sometimes it doesn't. More often, it does.

And the problem is.....??????

Quote: billryan

And the problem is.....??????

The problem is that when Oscar's Grind fails, your entire bankroll will be wiped out. Or is that not a problem for you?

Quote: BlackjackLover

The problem is that when Oscar's Grind fails, your entire bankroll will be wiped out. Or is that not a problem for you?

No ,it's not a problem . Would it make much sense to play a system that eventually will fail and then be shocked or surprised when it happens?
Counting cards, you are going to hit a bad streak that will cost you much of your bankroll. Is that a problem?

Don't gamble with money you cant afford to lose and you'll never have a problem if you lose it all.
With my $100 daily BR, I could survive days, maybe even a week before I might miss a meal or two.

I'm just wondering. In that case, why do you use systems? Why don't you just set the amounts of your bets randomly? It's easier than using a system. It'll fail eventually anyway, and using a system doesn't make your bankroll last longer. It's just luck. As for counting cards, it's not a problem when you lose because of bad luck. It will be a problem if you lose because you count cards. On the other hand, system players lose even with average luck.

LOL Not a math "star" but a math "geek". To answer your question, I need to go to my son. We'll see if he even wants to get into it. He usually tells me "I'm off again"

Thanks Odius

Jerry