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CrapsGenious
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February 9th, 2014 at 2:10:55 PM permalink
OK I just came from having lunch at the casino, walked by the craps table and noticed the same guy there from saturday night. Some regulars had mentioned that yes, he has been there since 1:am saturday morning till present. has approx. 4k in front of him (Blacks, greens and red chips) I started to watch his style of play and noticed he does the exact same thing for each shooter.

I'm gonna try a wincraps file on this type of play.

1) Starts with 30 on the field bet.
2) Field bet wins, he lets it ride for another win. (If field loses, he rebets 30/field)
3) After two wins on the field he has $120 in chips and then places the 6 & 8 for 60 each.
4) He then places 25/field and lets it ride for a second win.
5) He then places the 5 & 9 for 50 each.
6) repeats the field bet with 25 for two wins then places 4 & 10 for 50 each.

Obviously the guy has been doing quite well with this type of play since saturday night I noticed his chip stack only shy of $500 (3 blacks, 4 green and maybe a stack of reds)

Props to him for his success.
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February 9th, 2014 at 2:15:48 PM permalink
so when does he make money? He just keeps parlaying money.

I really think this system has potential.

Just as much as all other systems
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Beethoven9th
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February 9th, 2014 at 2:25:28 PM permalink
All those Field bets?!?! Sounds like a really lame system to me.
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CrapsGenious
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February 9th, 2014 at 2:32:26 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

so when does he make money? He just keeps parlaying money.

I really think this system has potential.



He utilises his profits from the field to fund his place bets and profits from the place bet winnings.

I myself am skeptical because the field is not really a good bet.

I ultimately believe that the firebet approach is the best way to play craps.

1) Bet 5/firebet each shooter.
2) After 3 points are made and puck is on the 4 number, lay the 4th number for 120.
3) If point is made, wait for 5th number and lay 600.
4) If point is made, wait for 6th number and lay up to 2000.

Best way to play craps for the squeamish players who hate risk.

But yeah, i'm gonna try that field2place approach in wincraps simulation to see if it actually holds water or the guy has just been lucky since last night.
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February 9th, 2014 at 2:33:01 PM permalink
Absolutely terrible system.
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February 9th, 2014 at 2:37:18 PM permalink
Quote: CrapsGenious

He utilises his profits from the field to fund his place bets and profits from the place bet winnings.

I myself am skeptical because the field is not really a good bet.

I ultimately believe that the firebet approach is the best way to play craps.

1) Bet 5/firebet each shooter.
2) After 3 points are made and puck is on the 4 number, lay the 4th number for 120.
3) If point is made, wait for 5th number and lay 600.
4) If point is made, wait for 6th number and lay up to 2000.

Best way to play craps for the squeamish players who hate risk.

But yeah, i'm gonna try that field2place approach in wincraps simulation to see if it actually holds water or the guy has just been lucky since last night.



maybe the players around here aren't utilizing dice setting because I rarely see even a 4 number fire hit.
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February 9th, 2014 at 2:46:54 PM permalink
Apparently, it's a good system for the table conditions because it is working. It is probably not the optimal strategy for the same conditions, or for most conditions, but everyone gets lucky sometimes.

My favorite system is to find someone having a good streak of luck and playing with them. The real factor is usually long rolls, preferably repeating numbers. Under these conditions almost anyone can win with most any betting system because the lucky guy is the key. The only thing you don't want to do is play dark if he is playing the light or light if he is playing dark.
CrapsGenious
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February 9th, 2014 at 2:54:49 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

maybe the players around here aren't utilizing dice setting because I rarely see even a 4 number fire hit.



Wow! maybe the casino I attend must have really good shooters. Just the other night there was 7 fire bets rolled. But just the other morning I only caught 1x 5 number fire.

I see an opportunity to hedge about 2-3 firebets almost every visit.
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February 9th, 2014 at 3:11:23 PM permalink
Quote: CrapsGenious

I ultimately believe that the firebet approach is the best way to play craps.

1) Bet 5/firebet each shooter.
2) After 3 points are made and puck is on the 4 number, lay the 4th number for 120.
3) If point is made, wait for 5th number and lay 600.
4) If point is made, wait for 6th number and lay up to 2000.

"Genious". Pure "genious". lol


Quote: CrapsGenious

But yeah, i'm gonna try that field2place approach in wincraps simulation to see if it actually holds water...

Why do you need to do a simulation to find out "if it actually holds water" when all the math has been done already?
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CrapsGenious
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February 9th, 2014 at 4:14:13 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

"Genious". Pure "genious". lol


Why do you need to do a simulation to find out "if it actually holds water" when all the math has been done already?



do you have the file on this?
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Beethoven9th
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February 9th, 2014 at 4:19:33 PM permalink
Quote: CrapsGenious

do you have the file on this?


What are you talking about? The math on the Field and Place bets is all over the internet.
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February 9th, 2014 at 5:30:33 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

What are you talking about? The math on the Field and Place bets is all over the internet.



I'm talking about the wincraps file. I'm fully aware of the math as posted in the wizards site on craps.
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Beethoven9th
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February 9th, 2014 at 5:37:02 PM permalink
Quote: CrapsGenious

I'm fully aware of the math as posted in the wizards site on craps.


Uh, that's all you need to prove that the system is lame.
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February 11th, 2014 at 12:52:17 PM permalink
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YouCanBetOnThat
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February 11th, 2014 at 4:34:30 PM permalink
Here's an unsophisticated, but hopefully easy to understand, WinCraps Auto-Bet file. (Sorry it's just text, but you should be able to copy it into WinCraps.) It ignores the fact that sometimes the field is paid 2-1 or 3-1 instead of even money.

I have to agree that it's a pretty horrible system.

While . . .
Initializing Auto-Bet
then . . .
Set Auto-Handle Winning Bets to "Same Bet - Take Winnings"
While . . .
Place 6 is equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 60
then . . .
Bet $ 0 on Field
Bet $ 30 on Place 6
Bet $ 30 on Place 8
While . . .
Place 6 is equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 30
then . . .
Bet $ 60 on Field
While . . .
Place 6 is equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 30 on Field
While . . .
Place 5 is equal to $ 0
Place 6 is not equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 50
then . . .
Bet $ 0 on Field
Bet $ 25 on Place 5
Bet $ 25 on Place 9
While . . .
Place 5 is equal to $ 0
Place 6 is not equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 25
then . . .
Bet $ 50 on Field
While . . .
Place 5 is equal to $ 0
Place 6 is not equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 25 on Field
While . . .
Buy 4 is equal to $ 0
Place 5 is not equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 50
then . . .
Bet $ 0 on Field
Bet $ 25 on Buy 4
Bet $ 25 on Buy 10
While . . .
Buy 4 is equal to $ 0
Place 5 is not equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 25
then . . .
Bet $ 50 on Field
While . . .
Buy 4 is equal to $ 0
Place 5 is not equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 25 on Field
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February 11th, 2014 at 9:43:20 PM permalink
WinCraps or WinCraps pro?
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February 11th, 2014 at 9:48:59 PM permalink
crapsgenious, i know the player you are talking about....he takes down a lot of big wins but when he loses, he loses large....he just recently switched to this field play from a parlay everything onto one number system. Again, some huge wins accompanied by many massive losses. No system will beat craps EVER.
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Beethoven9th
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February 11th, 2014 at 10:05:08 PM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

crapsgenious, i know the player you are talking about...


I thought that the "genious" said he's never been to Ontario?
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February 11th, 2014 at 10:15:30 PM permalink
.......only farmers make money on the field :)
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CrapsGenious
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February 12th, 2014 at 4:41:24 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

I thought that the "genious" said he's never been to Ontario?



O' Contraire. I've been to ontario many times, No taxes on gambling there.
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February 12th, 2014 at 9:11:55 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

WinCraps or WinCraps pro?


WinCraps
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CrapsGenious
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February 12th, 2014 at 9:59:57 AM permalink
Quote: YouCanBetOnThat

Here's an unsophisticated, but hopefully easy to understand, WinCraps Auto-Bet file. (Sorry it's just text, but you should be able to copy it into WinCraps.) It ignores the fact that sometimes the field is paid 2-1 or 3-1 instead of even money.

I have to agree that it's a pretty horrible system.

While . . .
Initializing Auto-Bet
then . . .
Set Auto-Handle Winning Bets to "Same Bet - Take Winnings"
While . . .
Place 6 is equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 60
then . . .
Bet $ 0 on Field
Bet $ 30 on Place 6
Bet $ 30 on Place 8
While . . .
Place 6 is equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 30
then . . .
Bet $ 60 on Field
While . . .
Place 6 is equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 30 on Field
While . . .
Place 5 is equal to $ 0
Place 6 is not equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 50
then . . .
Bet $ 0 on Field
Bet $ 25 on Place 5
Bet $ 25 on Place 9
While . . .
Place 5 is equal to $ 0
Place 6 is not equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 25
then . . .
Bet $ 50 on Field
While . . .
Place 5 is equal to $ 0
Place 6 is not equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 25 on Field
While . . .
Buy 4 is equal to $ 0
Place 5 is not equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 50
then . . .
Bet $ 0 on Field
Bet $ 25 on Buy 4
Bet $ 25 on Buy 10
While . . .
Buy 4 is equal to $ 0
Place 5 is not equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 25
then . . .
Bet $ 50 on Field
While . . .
Buy 4 is equal to $ 0
Place 5 is not equal to $ 0
Field is equal to $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 25 on Field



Thanks for the file. The simulation however is not doing to well for the long haul. the averages are all over the place even with customized dice probabilities.
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CrapsGenious
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February 12th, 2014 at 10:04:27 AM permalink
Quote: ontariodealer

crapsgenious, i know the player you are talking about....he takes down a lot of big wins but when he loses, he loses large....he just recently switched to this field play from a parlay everything onto one number system. Again, some huge wins accompanied by many massive losses. No system will beat craps EVER.



Funny thing is, there is a shorter curly haired italian guy that also bets this way and swears it's the best system on the planet.
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February 12th, 2014 at 10:10:39 AM permalink
The wildest parlay guys are the ones who parlay Horn Bets. First time I saw a guy do that I started looking around for the men in white coats and butterfly nets...
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October 29th, 2021 at 8:08:34 AM permalink
thank you for the link, but nothing to do I must be very very stupid
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