How I am beating Baccarat
It's surely not 'a legitimate post'
I'm flag shy. The funny thing is... before flagate I didn't really use it and don't really now.Quote: OnceDearIn spite of the poster's inability to post his link, I flagged it and recommend others do too. One post already seems to have gone to oblivion.
It's surely not 'a legitimate post'
For several years, I'd play it for a free lunch. $10-$10-$20-$40-$80. Playing roulette, black. Won a couple dozen lunches in a row.
Then I lost $160. No big deal, I was way ahead. Won the next week and then dropped another $160 the next time.
I knew I was playing with fire and quit with burned fingers.
He knows to begin with that the spamming he is doing is going to be irritating as hell to 99.9% of the people who see it.
So he compounds the irritation by digging up an old thread that deserved a decent burial way back when.
Brilliant? Stupid?
Quote: billryanThe Martindale works great. until it doesn't.
Seconded. I sometimes encourage players to Marty bet: Mostly because I wish them to get the life lesson under their belt early on and partly because their conspicuous downfall can be a free teaching tool for the innocent newbie.
Unfortunately, there are some [insert expletive]s who crow about their fantastical success with their Marty, or system, or Dice Influence mumbo-jumbo, who never 'fess up to losses, and who probably never even placed a real wager in their lives. There are many such [insert expletive]s on this forum.
Absolutely don't Marty. Don't run with scissors and don't play Russian Roulette. You may have great fun, but there's a painful lesson just over the horizon.
I've Marty'd for fun and had thousands of pounds of profit from it. And thousands of pounds of losses from it too.
And I know that the benefit of those stop-loss sessions should not encourage me to try it again.
14 losses in a row. Easy-peasy to encounter. Been there a few times. Not so easy to place bets after loss 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. I'm truly fortunate that I've chickened out on the few occasions where I could have lost far FAR more than my acceptable entertainment budget.
I would not wish to stake my entire wealth on ANY wager, certainly not to try to claw back absurd losses.
Marty is a fun and exciting way to lose money. Simple as.
Fun, because of the significant number of sessions where you get to celebrate your success and invincibility.
Exciting like Russian Roulette where you don't hear the bullet that kills you..
1. I go to same casino 2 times but different time. Why? b/c i know surveillance that control the cards work 3 shifts. They move people around all the time. I go in the morning try to win 200 from betting behind and cash out as soon as possible. I tried not changing money so they won't notice me. If you change money, people from upstair will notice. Try to be quiet bet as possible. Then I go back again at night time because i know they will have another survillance from upstair that controlling cards. They won't use same people. That's the different.
people sitting at table win a lot but they will lose back at the end. Why? they let u win, but when they hit you, they will get your money back. U bet BANK, it goes player, u bet player, it goes bank. They control they card and it's hard to win.
The best way is do the same like MartyMan...win small and go home as u can and it will add up in a long run.
Btw incredible first post
Quote: anhthichvubu1Your strategy is good. My target is to win 400 dollars a day. It's not hard at all. My stragegy is same like you.
1. I go to same casino 2 times but different time. Why? b/c i know surveillance that control the cards work 3 shifts. They move people around all the time. I go in the morning try to win 200 from betting behind and cash out as soon as possible. I tried not changing money so they won't notice me. If you change money, people from upstair will notice. Try to be quiet bet as possible. Then I go back again at night time because i know they will have another survillance from upstair that controlling cards. They won't use same people. That's the different.
people sitting at table win a lot but they will lose back at the end. Why? they let u win, but when they hit you, they will get your money back. U bet BANK, it goes player, u bet player, it goes bank. They control they card and it's hard to win.
The best way is do the same like MartyMan...win small and go home as u can and it will add up in a long run.
I am a surveillant worker in casino of gambling. My working mostly at gambling game of baccarat. Casino of gambling need secretive information, so as to public, they do not know. Do much appreciate this fact from you. For soonly the language of the gambling game of baccarat be revealed, us have no jobs, casino game of gambling have no jobs, and you have no place to play gambling game of baccarat. Not so bad, as we allow player to win. Better to let the smart gambling players to win than reveal strategy so all players may win, absolutely not. I do appreciate your concern in this matter. Greetings to you.
Quote: RSI am a surveillant worker in casino of gambling. My working mostly at gambling game of baccarat. Casino of gambling need secretive information, so as to public, they do not know. Do much appreciate this fact from you. For soonly the language of the gambling game of baccarat be revealed, us have no jobs, casino game of gambling have no jobs, and you have no place to play gambling game of baccarat. Not so bad, as we allow player to win. Better to let the smart gambling players to win than reveal strategy so all players may win, absolutely not. I do appreciate your concern in this matter. Greetings to you.
Quote: RSI am a surveillant worker in casino of gambling. My working mostly at gambling game of baccarat.
RS. You crack me up $;o)
Quote: odiousgambitso easy too, just quit when ahead!
I forgot which mathematical law it is that says that you're sure to get ahead and even by a certain amount such as $500. It must be The Law of Large Numbers. Or the Law of Averages. If anybody thinks you can't win just about every day and get way ahead using these laws then that's called Gambler's Fallacy.
Quote: odiousgambitso easy too, just quit when ahead!
and take a break when you are a bit behind.
Have I materialised in some new comedy club? We need a new emoticon for 'Jeez guys I'm only joking' or else some newbies will pounce on these dumb-ass great systems and think we are truly promoting them.Quote: lilredroosterIf you have had a bad run at a certain table that's because the dealer is hot. You should change tables or even change casinos. These are the kinds of deep secrets that professional gamblers are rarely willing to reveal.
Quote: anhthichvubu1Your strategy is good. My target is to win 400 dollars a day. It's not hard at all. My stragegy is same like you.
1. I go to same casino 2 times but different time. Why? b/c i know surveillance that control the cards work 3 shifts. They move people around all the time. I go in the morning try to win 200 from betting behind and cash out as soon as possible. I tried not changing money so they won't notice me. If you change money, people from upstair will notice. Try to be quiet bet as possible. Then I go back again at night time because i know they will have another survillance from upstair that controlling cards. They won't use same people. That's the different.
people sitting at table win a lot but they will lose back at the end. Why? they let u win, but when they hit you, they will get your money back. U bet BANK, it goes player, u bet player, it goes bank. They control they card and it's hard to win.
The best way is do the same like MartyMan...win small and go home as u can and it will add up in a long run.
Thank you for sharing your tips and insight as to how the casino “operate” because that further confirm my suspicion that they are always somehow cheating whenever they see the opportunity to make big $$ from the general population but my question is HOW?
How is it possible that they are able to control what card to come out next from a particular shoe from upstairs(hence determining the outcome)? Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m guessing there’s a hidden camera in every shoe that tells the surveillance guy upstairs what cards is coming next and simply with a push of a button he can remotely switch that card with whatever card (also hidden in the same shoe) that allows the house to win?? This is just my guess but I have hearded so many time that regulated casino don’t cheat because it’s illegal and they don’t need to cheat to win your money (you’ll simply lose to a negative expection game if you play long enough, it’s just math).
I’ve only played baccarat for about a month now but my gut is already telling me the casino has a way to cheat. I really appreciate if anyone can help shred some light on this mystery so I know better not to play anymore
Thank you
Quote: NightMaverickThank you for sharing your tips and insight as to how the casino “operate” because that further confirm my suspicion that they are always somehow cheating whenever they see the opportunity to make big $$ from the general population but my question is HOW?
How is it possible that they are able to control what card to come out next from a particular shoe from upstairs(hence determining the outcome)? Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m guessing there’s a hidden camera in every shoe that tells the surveillance guy upstairs what cards is coming next and simply with a push of a button he can remotely switch that card with whatever card (also hidden in the same shoe) that allows the house to win?? This is just my guess but I have hearded so many time that regulated casino don’t cheat because it’s illegal and they don’t need to cheat to win your money (you’ll simply lose to a negative expection game if you play long enough, it’s just math).
I’ve only played baccarat for about a month now but my gut is already telling me the casino has a way to cheat. I really appreciate if anyone can help shred some light on this mystery so I know better not to play anymore
Thank you
Hello night,
You say "correct me if I'm wrong". Yes, you're wrong about there being a hidden camera. You're right that they don't need that in order to make money. Even if you guessed right 50% of the time, they still have a slight edge on you that adds up every time you play.
If you are playing Player, you start at a small disadvantage before the cards are even dealt. The rules of how they play out the hands mean that Dealer will win more often just because of whether each hand will take a third card. It's not like Blackjack where player can decide whether to take that 3rd card or not: they will, or won't, based only on the Player total.
Dealer's hand, in contrast, WILL decide some hands based on Player's total, and after Player has acted. So Dealer is at an advantage. But they have that covered, too, because the 5% commission they charge on a Banker win is larger than the Banker hand advantage.
So no matter which way you bet, the house makes a little money. This is because the House is in every hand, all day, while the table is open, all year, since the casino opened. Some individuals win, sure, that night, that week, but more are losing other times to make up for it.
Also, hardly anyone just bets their bankroll once. If you bring 2000, play 100 a hand, even if you don't increase your bets, that's only 20 hands. Less than 1/2 hour most places. But people stay longer than that, play bigger on that bankroll, other ways to expose that 2000 more than once. So that little advantage the House has keeps nibbling on that money again and again.
The third thing to understand is that the House has, for all practical purposes, infinite money, while you have much less. If you're winning by doubling up and riding a lucky streak, for example, there's a table maximum that shuts you off. This becomes even more important if you're trying to recover losses by doubling up; they cap your bets if you're on a losing streak.
This is why this type of betting, known as Martingale, doesn't work. It can help for a long time, but then will come the losing streak you can't afford to chase. Either you have not enough bankroll to double (which happens very quickly in most cases), or the amount you would have to bet just to get back to even exceeds the table maximum. So now you can't get back to even with a single hand: you have to keep playing at lower stakes.
The last part of how they make money is closely related. If you lose your bankroll, you're done. If the House has paid out the chips on the table, they get more chips from the cage. They know, in the long run, they will be the overall winners, so they're willing to keep going . But if you've lost your bankroll, your night is over, so they get to keep that money.
Hope you find this helpful. Overall, the house depends on little bits, drip drip drip, and can ride out your occasional winning night, because they're always there, letting their little advantage work again and again and again.
Quote: beachbumbabsHello night,
You say "correct me if I'm wrong". Yes, you're wrong about there being a hidden camera. You're right that they don't need that in order to make money. Even if you guessed right 50% of the time, they still have a slight edge on you that adds up every time you play.
If you are playing Player, you start at a small disadvantage before the cards are even dealt. The rules of how they play out the hands mean that Dealer will win more often just because of whether each hand will take a third card. It's not like Blackjack where player can decide whether to take that 3rd card or not: they will, or won't, based only on the Player total.
Dealer's hand, in contrast, WILL decide some hands based on Player's total, and after Player has acted. So Dealer is at an advantage. But they have that covered, too, because the 5% commission they charge on a Banker win is larger than the Banker hand advantage.
So no matter which way you bet, the house makes a little money. This is because the House is in every hand, all day, while the table is open, all year, since the casino opened. Some individuals win, sure, that night, that week, but more are losing other times to make up for it.
Also, hardly anyone just bets their bankroll once. If you bring 2000, play 100 a hand, even if you don't increase your bets, that's only 20 hands. Less than 1/2 hour most places. But people stay longer than that, play bigger on that bankroll, other ways to expose that 2000 more than once. So that little advantage the House has keeps nibbling on that money again and again.
The third thing to understand is that the House has, for all practical purposes, infinite money, while you have much less. If you're winning by doubling up and riding a lucky streak, for example, there's a table maximum that shuts you off. This becomes even more important if you're trying to recover losses by doubling up; they cap your bets if you're on a losing streak.
This is why this type of betting, known as Martingale, doesn't work. It can help for a long time, but then will come the losing streak you can't afford to chase. Either you have not enough bankroll to double (which happens very quickly in most cases), or the amount you would have to bet just to get back to even exceeds the table maximum. So now you can't get back to even with a single hand: you have to keep playing at lower stakes.
The last part of how they make money is closely related. If you lose your bankroll, you're done. If the House has paid out the chips on the table, they get more chips from the cage. They know, in the long run, they will be the overall winners, so they're willing to keep going . But if you've lost your bankroll, your night is over, so they get to keep that money.
Hope you find this helpful. Overall, the house depends on little bits, drip drip drip, and can ride out your occasional winning night, because they're always there, letting their little advantage work again and again and again.
How do you place a bet on Dealer?
Quote: FatGeezusHow do you place a bet on Dealer?
In baccarat, there are only 2 hands dealt. Player and House/Dealer/Banker. Not sure if you're poking me for saying Dealer instead of Banker, or you don't know the game. If you're giving me crap, well done, good catch.
If not, each player places a single bet on either Player or Banker, before any cards are dealt. Player hand always acts first,. Banker action may or may not change based on Player total.
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: FatGeezusHow do you place a bet on Dealer?
In baccarat, there are only 2 hands dealt. Player and House/Dealer/Banker. Not sure if you're poking me for saying Dealer instead of Banker, or you don't know the game. If you're giving me crap, well done, good catch.
If not, each player places a single bet on either Player or Banker, (WRONG) before any cards are dealt. Player hand always acts first,. Banker action may or may not change based on Player total.
In a regular game of Baccarat, the player can place a bet on Player, Banker or even both if they want to. They can also place a bet on TIE.
I have never heard of anyone calling the Banker bet Dealer or House.
To paraphrase what you said about my knowledge of the game, I'm not sure you know the game. (Just kidding)
Quote: FatGeezusQuote: beachbumbabsQuote: FatGeezusHow do you place a bet on Dealer?
In baccarat, there are only 2 hands dealt. Player and House/Dealer/Banker. Not sure if you're poking me for saying Dealer instead of Banker, or you don't know the game. If you're giving me crap, well done, good catch.
If not, each player places a single bet on either Player or Banker, (WRONG) before any cards are dealt. Player hand always acts first,. Banker action may or may not change based on Player total.
In a regular game of Baccarat, the player can place a bet on Player, Banker or even both if they want to. They can also place a bet on TIE.
I have never heard of anyone calling the Banker bet Dealer or House.
To paraphrase what you said about my knowledge of the game, I'm not sure you know the game. (Just kidding)
I misspoke. You caught it. Thanks. Again.
I was ignoring ties for the specific purpose of the OP question, because ties push. So the house wins nothing on either player and/or BANKER bets. And because the post was already too long for most people to slog through. If he's been playing for a month, he knows there's a tie bet that's optional.
I don't like the game, and so have played it very little. Can't say I'm an expert, and don't pretend to be, but was answering the specific charge of malfeasance through shuffle manipulation by attempting to explain how the casinos actually make money on a coin-flip game that appears to be 50-50, to the point where they don't have to cheat for the game to be profitable.
We play at sometimes at the Tropicana in Evansville and they have some of the newer "Spy vs Spy" and "Battling Bars/7's" type of machines that pay based on a particular symbol coming up in the third position on the middle wheel. The progressive increases for each time the symbol hits (ie.. $5 for the first, $10 for the second and so on), the amount resets to $0 when a symbol of the opposite color hits. Many times people leave when the bonus for one of the symbols is $40 or more. I cant remember the number of times I have sat down with the bonus that high, hit the bonus and left the machine. Of course, these are some of the obvious advantage plays in slots, but still interesting to mention
certain type of people play the game all over the world.Quote: beachbumbabsI don't like the game, and so have played it very little.
maybe you are not that type
you are also in the majority that do not like the game
yes, I have a thread about craps experts and what it takes to BE an expert.Quote: beachbumbabsCan't say I'm an expert, and don't pretend to be, but <snip>
imo, one can easily claim to be an expert and it is up to others to prove otherwise
'expert' as far as I can tell is NOT
a mathematical term
'expected value' IS
that is funny in it's own way
Sally
Quote: mustangsallyyes, I have a thread about craps experts and what it takes to BE an expert.
That is my favorite thread! What an amazing writer you are.
Quote: beachbumbabsHello night,
You say "correct me if I'm wrong". Yes, you're wrong about there being a hidden camera. You're right that they don't need that in order to make money. Even if you guessed right 50% of the time, they still have a slight edge on you that adds up every time you play.
If you are playing Player, you start at a small disadvantage before the cards are even dealt. The rules of how they play out the hands mean that Dealer will win more often just because of whether each hand will take a third card. It's not like Blackjack where player can decide whether to take that 3rd card or not: they will, or won't, based only on the Player total.
Dealer's hand, in contrast, WILL decide some hands based on Player's total, and after Player has acted. So Dealer is at an advantage. But they have that covered, too, because the 5% commission they charge on a Banker win is larger than the Banker hand advantage.
So no matter which way you bet, the house makes a little money. This is because the House is in every hand, all day, while the table is open, all year, since the casino opened. Some individuals win, sure, that night, that week, but more are losing other times to make up for it.
Also, hardly anyone just bets their bankroll once. If you bring 2000, play 100 a hand, even if you don't increase your bets, that's only 20 hands. Less than 1/2 hour most places. But people stay longer than that, play bigger on that bankroll, other ways to expose that 2000 more than once. So that little advantage the House has keeps nibbling on that money again and again.
The third thing to understand is that the House has, for all practical purposes, infinite money, while you have much less. If you're winning by doubling up and riding a lucky streak, for example, there's a table maximum that shuts you off. This becomes even more important if you're trying to recover losses by doubling up; they cap your bets if you're on a losing streak.
This is why this type of betting, known as Martingale, doesn't work. It can help for a long time, but then will come the losing streak you can't afford to chase. Either you have not enough bankroll to double (which happens very quickly in most cases), or the amount you would have to bet just to get back to even exceeds the table maximum. So now you can't get back to even with a single hand: you have to keep playing at lower stakes.
The last part of how they make money is closely related. If you lose your bankroll, you're done. If the House has paid out the chips on the table, they get more chips from the cage. They know, in the long run, they will be the overall winners, so they're willing to keep going . But if you've lost your bankroll, your night is over, so they get to keep that money.
Hope you find this helpful. Overall, the house depends on little bits, drip drip drip, and can ride out your occasional winning night, because they're always there, letting their little advantage work again and again and again.
Hello beach,
Thank you for taking the time to reply my post
Another question came to my mind: Why do players have to make bet BEFORE the cards are dealt from the shoe and not the other way around? I just figured it would be more fair if the players are allowed to make bet AFTER the cards are dealt on the table in plain sight, I’m sure there has to be a reason for such rule to exist.
Quote: RSI am a surveillant worker in casino of gambling. My working mostly at gambling game of baccarat. Casino of gambling need secretive information, so as to public, they do not know. Do much appreciate this fact from you. For soonly the language of the gambling game of baccarat be revealed, us have no jobs, casino game of gambling have no jobs, and you have no place to play gambling game of baccarat. Not so bad, as we allow player to win. Better to let the smart gambling players to win than reveal strategy so all players may win, absolutely not. I do appreciate your concern in this matter. Greetings to you.
Do you mind reveal a little bit about what your job consist of on a daily basis? Do you guys actually have the power to decide who wins? I’m alway intrigued by what happened upstairs.
Quote: NightMaverickHello beach,
Thank you for taking the time to reply my post
Another question came to my mind: Why do players have to make bet BEFORE the cards are dealt from the shoe and not the other way around? I just figured it would be more fair if the players are allowed to make bet AFTER the cards are dealt on the table in plain sight, I’m sure there has to be a reason for such rule to exist.
???
For the same reason you can’t pick powerball numbers before they are drawn.
Quote: gamerfreak???
For the same reason you can’t pick powerball numbers before they are drawn.
I think you miss my point here, FYI if you’ve never played baccarat before, the cards are dealt FACE DOWN for both the banker and players before they are revealed but that only take place after everyone has placed their bet. As long as the cards are dealt face down no one can predict the winning side so why can’t the casino deal the cards FACE DOWN first and then have the players make their bet?? The difference is that if they deal the cards first I would know for a fact they can’t cheat because I’m looking right at the cards in plain sight, I was alluding to the my suspicion that casino can somehow switch card in any particular shoe of their choice to win people’s money which is the only explanation I can come up with as to why players are required to place their bet before the cards are dealt.
But at the end of the day, I don’t have any solid proof or evidence to back up my suspicion, it’s just my gut feeling telling me that they can somehow manipulate the results of any hands they want because things that seem to be keep happening over and over again can’t be a coincidence, just saying....
