Baccarat Partner Betting
Quote: boymimboSo what I am seeing is betting progression AND hedging taking place. For me, what is the difference betting $100 on banker and $25 on player vs playing $75 on Banker. There is no need or reason to have two bets EXCEPT to earn comps. It can be accomplished via a single bet.
Varmenti's way- he is paying $1.25 needlessly in commission each and every time Banker comes out. No matter if he is betting more on Banker and hedging with Player, or betting more on Player and hedging with Banker, each and every Banker outcome he is throwing away $1.25. He said this commission is peanuts and doesn't matter with his system, lol.
Quote: thecesspitQuote: rob45
I will continue to post session results until either I finish the 500 sessions or the moderators ask me to stop.
Session 1
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Session result -$217.50
Balance -$217.50
I have it that you should quit after hand 9, as your 8.25 units in the hole (the 8 straight chops means every bet is a loss of around 1 unit).
I was playing to a loss limit of $300, as was approved by varmenti previously in this thread; however, he has stated to you that the loss limit is to be $200, so I will provide play analysis along with proper adjustment below.
That makes sense. I was just looking at the end result being over -200, not the ability to bet so that you kept below the break point. Good point.
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I also got it as -$317.50 if you go through to the streak finishing after hand 20.
It is possible that one of us could have made an accounting error, and I certainly do not claim to be immune to any such error; however, I am more than willing to correct any inaccuracies.
Yeah, not worries, I can't be bothered to do too many more the way I'm doing it right now, too much effort to run manually, but can easily automate it, once I find my old libraries on my older PC.
Quote:Also, no tie in 22?
To the best of my knowledge, Ties are not to be considered in the betting progression. Therefore, I am not even recording Ties, and they have no influence on bet selection (or size) for the following hand.
True, but they are a hand for the count of 20 purposes.
Quote: rob45Quote: thecesspitQuote: rob45
I will continue to post session results until either I finish the 500 sessions or the moderators ask me to stop.
Session 1
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Session result -$217.50
Balance -$217.50
I have it that you should quit after hand 9, as your 8.25 units in the hole (the 8 straight chops means every bet is a loss of around 1 unit).
I was playing to a loss limit of $300, as was approved by varmenti previously in this thread; however, he has stated to you that the loss limit is to be $200, so I will provide play analysis along with proper adjustment below.
I also got it as -$317.50 if you go through to the streak finishing after hand 20.
It is possible that one of us could have made an accounting error, and I certainly do not claim to be immune to any such error; however, I am more than willing to correct any inaccuracies.
Also, no tie in 22?
To the best of my knowledge, Ties are not to be considered in the betting progression. Therefore, I am not even recording Ties, and they have no influence on bet selection (or size) for the following hand.
The session continued until the Banker win stopped the "streak" of the previous Player wins.
Session 1 Starting balance: $200.00
01. Player bets 25, Banker bets 25 Banker wins. Balance is now $198.75
02. Banker bets 50, Player bets 25 Player wins. Balance is now $173.75
03. Player bets 50, Banker bets 25 Banker wins. Balance is now $147.50
04. Banker bets 50, Player bets 25 Player wins. Balance is now $122.50
05. Player bets 50, Banker bets 25 Banker wins. Balance is now $96.25
06. Banker bets 50, Player bets 25 Player wins. Balance is now $71.25
This should be the end of this session, as we no longer have enough left in the session balance to cover the bets for the next hand.
Session 1 result: $71.25 - $200.00 = -$128.75
Running total (the total results of all sessions to date): -$128.75
Most of us are well aware that a running total must be kept in order to prove or disprove the statement that the winning sessions overcome the losing sessions.
Rob45, I appreciate you taking the time to "Crunch the numbers" But please allow me to save you some time, as I did this already with many betting styles and Far to many shoes that I care to talk about.
Rob45, after a while you will notice a certain pattern evolving from all the games played and they look something like this:
Stats for Last 5 Games Played on July 5th, 2013 Based on 8 Decks and average 70 Hands per shoe:
Game 1 PPPBBBPPBPPPPPPBPPBBBBBPBBBBBPBBBPBBBPPBBBBPPPPPPBPPBBBPPBPBBBPBPBBBBP
14 Streaks of 3
6 Streaks of 4
4 Streaks of 5
2 Streaks of 6
Game 2
BBPPBPPPBBBBBBBBPPBPPPBPPBPPPPBBBPBPPBPPBPPBBPPPPBBPBPBBBPBBP
8 Streaks of 3
4 Streaks of 4
1 Streak of 5
1 Streak of 6
1 Streak of 7
1 Streak of 8
Game 3
PBBBPBBBBBBBPBPBPPBPPBBBBPPBBBBBPPPBPPBBPPBBBBPPBBBPPPBBPBPPBPBPPBPBB
9 Streaks of 3
4 Streaks of 4
2 Streaks of 5
1 Streak of 6
1 Streak of 7
Game 4
BPBPPBPPBBBPBPBPPPBBBPBPBPBPBBBBBPPPBBPBPBBBBPPPBBPPPPBBPBBPBBBPB
9 Streaks of 3
3 Streaks of 4
1 Streak of 5
Game 5
BBBPBPBPBBBBBBPPPBBPBPBPBBBPPPPBBPPBBBBPBBPBBPBBBPBPPPPBBBPBPBPPB
10 Streaks of 3
4 Streaks of 4
1 Streak of 5
1 Streak of 6
after you play the shoes like normal and record your result like this (listed above) you will have a more clear picture as to how I put together my methods of play.
I can tell by your posts that you are serious Rob45, so yes ask me as many questions as you like till you get the full picture.
So let's give a little bit here, and address a couple of points regarding the poster as opposed to the poster's method:
1.) He appears as a gentleman to me, and sincere as well. I could never, ever fathom any need for personal attacks on Varmenti, whose intentions appear honorable.
2.) He, apparently, is enjoying success with his method. How can anyone knock that? He's comfortable in his play, and that goes a long, long way towards that success.
So let's take our feet off of his throat here, fellas. He posted his method willingly and freely. I see no hidden agenda and I doubt he's attempting to sell anything, so let him have his method and the success that goes with it.
Rather than look to tear it all asunder, I'd rather revel in his enjoyment of his Bac play. Look at his posted pics...they are rather telling, IMHO, of a good family man and a happy, satisfied Bac player.
Continued good luck with your Bac play, Varmenti, and I am pleased to have made your acquaintance, my friend.
Quote: TankoUsing my preferred style of play, I was up 20+ units at the end of Shoe #5 and took my only hit on Shoe #6, but still finished comfortably ahead.
I believe that I could have taken Shoe #6 if I had more hands to play.
I would have played each of these shoes to the end.
This is why I really stress the 20 hand limit. My wife and I notice that in many shoes we hit our goals in just under 20 hands and most being under 11 hands because many tables will start early runs allowing us to get in and get out within the first 10 minutes of the shoe.
Keep in mind if you intend to play the shoe till the end, yes you will definitely hit many of the streaks of 7,8,9,10 that my wife and I miss many many times, but keep in mind the Longer the shoe the more chance you have of giving your money to the casino.
here is a good example and another important factor to consider writing down.
1) My wife and I see Banker / Player runs of 12 and above only 3 times per day.
(These are Bonus shoes when we sit down at a table and catch this puts a quick 1000.00 win in our pocket)
2) My wife and I see Banker / Player runs of 6 -8 approx 20 times per day.
(These are the shoes we try to catch on a regular basis. Catching 5 of these out of 20 puts 1000.00 in your pocket)
3) My wife and I see Banker / Player Chopping back and forth approx 2 in every three shoes all day long every day.
(These shoes will kill your bank roll, Limit yourself to 20 hands here and then run far and fast from them, Don't try to wait for them to wake up)
Keep these three factors in mind when saying to yourself wanting to play the whole shoe.
I did the foot work for you to save you time and money.
The average I see now is 20 hands per shoe. to reach goals listed in my method.
(when the Baccarat pit is busy, yes we may hold out for 35hands per shoe or at least until I can reserve a new starting table).
This is another factor to consider.
Quote: thecesspitQuote: rob45Session 2
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Session result -$152.50
Balance -$370.00
Bet 12 should have ended this run, but I agree with your final total.
Once again, I was playing to a buy-in/loss limit of $300. I have adjusted results of Session 1 to reflect a $200 limit, and I will do so with this session below.
Session 2 Starting balance: $200
01. Player bets 25, Banker bets 25 Banker wins. Balance is now $198.75
02. Banker bets 50, Player bets 25 Player wins. Balance is now $173.75
03. Player bets 50, Banker bets 25 Banker wins. Balance is now $147.50
04. Banker bets 50, Player bets 25 Banker wins. Balance is now $170.00
05. Banker bets 75, Player bets 25 Player wins. Balance is now $120.00
06. Player bets 50, Banker bets 25 Player wins. Balance is now $145.00
07. Player bets 75, Banker bets 25 Banker wins. Balance is now $93.75
08. Banker bets 50, Player bets 25 Banker wins. Balance is now $116.25
09. Banker bets 75, Player bets 25 Player wins. Balance is now $66.25
This is the end of this session, as there is not enough left in the session balance to cover bets on the next hand.
Session 2 result: -$133.75
Running total: -$262.50
Quote: gr8playerOK, fellas, you've had your fun. Enough already. I think we're all very well aware where the results of your various tests will end up --- in the red. I knew it when I first read of the posted method, for the "nemesis" of this method are the most common occurrences that you'll ever encounter at the bac tables: the singles (16 - 20) and the doubles (8 - 10).
So let's give a little bit here, and address a couple of points regarding the poster as opposed to the poster's method:
1.) He appears as a gentleman to me, and sincere as well. I could never, ever fathom any need for personal attacks on Varmenti, whose intentions appear honorable.
2.) He, apparently, is enjoying success with his method. How can anyone knock that? He's comfortable in his play, and that goes a long, long way towards that success.
So let's take our feet off of his throat here, fellas. He posted his method willingly and freely. I see no hidden agenda and I doubt he's attempting to sell anything, so let him have his method and the success that goes with it.
Rather than look to tear it all asunder, I'd rather revel in his enjoyment of his Bac play. Look at his posted pics...they are rather telling, IMHO, of a good family man and a happy, satisfied Bac player.
Continued good luck with your Bac play, Varmenti, and I am pleased to have made your acquaintance, my friend.
Hey gr8player !!!!! , you're back. Welcome and thank you for the Kind words, I don't hear too much kind words on here very often.
Quote: boymimboHad I paid attention to this thread a week ago, I would have gone to Fallsview and sorted this out and took a look at what he and his wife were doing at Bacarrat (as I was in the same damned pit as them at the same time more than likely) but as it stands, I am back to taking a break from gambling. I took a one week foray back into gambling when my wife was out of town, but I am back to my once a month foray.
So what I am seeing is betting progression AND hedging taking place. For me, what is the difference betting $100 on banker and $25 on player vs playing $75 on Banker. There is no need or reason to have two bets EXCEPT to earn comps. It can be accomplished via a single bet.
Given the size of the bankroll and the goal, I think it's not too difficult to hit the small win goal, but there will be an occurrence where EVERYTHING will be lost due to the combinations of player/banker plays that results in the complete annihilation of the bankroll.
You probably have boymimbo, Hope to see you out there soon, if you go between 10am and 2pm, look for the long haired guy usually playing two to Three tables at a time (Pit bosses usually rolling eyes at each other and shaking their heads) or at night around 6pm-2am, My wife and I use our Dinner Comps @ the Grand Buffet pretty much every night, and we sit at the tables together drinking White wine. Drop by and say hi some time.
Oh also in reference to your 100.00 banker and 25player thing, it's "the Backbone Bet" anytime you choose to play vertical runs this is the starting bet.
Many Asian players don't require this bet because they play the shoe sideways instead of vertical. (Chop Chop tables wind up being just another run in this case)
Quote: EdgeLookerVarmenti's way- he is paying $1.25 needlessly in commission each and every time Banker comes out. No matter if he is betting more on Banker and hedging with Player, or betting more on Player and hedging with Banker, each and every Banker outcome he is throwing away $1.25. He said this commission is peanuts and doesn't matter with his system, lol.
Trust me EdgeLooker, as much as I hate to pay banker commissions and choose not to worry to much about it, I hope and Pray for Player runs all day long.
whopping 2 weeks ago, that he's only been playing
bac for a couple months. He postulated:
"NO GAME OF CHANCE
can be beaten. Write this down and make it a lesson.
It's up to the Gambler to manipulate his betting in
order to gain an edge"
He thinks he beats the house edge and gains an edge
of his own by bet manipulation. This is the guy you're
paying all this attention to. Casinos laugh at these guys
and send limo's to the airport to pick them up.
Quote: TankoThese shoes worked out nicely for my play every hand preferred style of play.
I still don't see the need to limit play to 20 hands.
Game #4 had 8 consecutive chops starting at hand #20, but then settled into a good set of streaks to pull it out.
Are these shoes first auto shuffled and then hand shuffled?
These were all hand shuffled by me and dealt by me. 8 decks split into 5 parts and dealt using normal Baccarat Rules.
Quote: EvenBobNever forget, Gr8vermenti said when he first came here a
whopping 2 weeks ago, that he's only been playing
bac for a couple months. He postulated:
"NO GAME OF CHANCE
can be beaten. Write this down and make it a lesson.
It's up to the Gambler to manipulate his betting in
order to gain an edge"
He thinks he beats the house edge and gains an edge
of his own by bet manipulation. This is the guy you're
paying all this attention to. Casinos laugh at these guys
and send limo's to the airport to pick them up.
EvanBob, I've played other games since 1996, Baccarat is a game of my choice that I Started to play Professionally everyday from just a few months ago. I Played baccarat a while back using my old betting method of the "5to15 Single Player Method" along with Professional Blackjack Professional Roulette and Craps. I then took a 10 Year break from Casino when I got Married. Now I'm back and Baccarat is my Game of Choice.
Quote: varmentiEvanBob, I've played other games since 1996, Baccarat is a game of my choice that I Started to play Professionally everyday from just a few months ago. I Played baccarat a while back using my old betting method of the "5to15 Single Player Method" along with Professional Blackjack Professional Roulette and Craps. I then took a 10 Year break from Casino when I got Married. Now I'm back and Baccarat is my Game of Choice.
Here's how you described yourself recently on another board (posting under the handle "BacPro45"):
http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98393
"I play Professional Baccarat since 1996"
"I Used to play Black Jack as a professional but Baccarat has been my Game for the last Decade."
I think people here are genuinely curious as to the extent of your experience playing the current bac system. Anyone can get lucky short-term playing a game with a 1% house edge, but to be successful playing daily for a decade would be an entirely more impressive achievement.
Quote: gpac1377Here's how you described yourself recently on another board (posting under the handle "BacPro45"):
http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98393
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Gr8vermenti started a bac thread there, http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98429&highlight=baccarat
They tear into him about why it won't work with posts like this
from Shifter:
"any time you're betting both sides, you're turning the 5% commission into a hell of a lot more. it gets so high that it makes it almost impossible to overcome unless you get really lucky. so the casino loves it because you're not going to hit them for much when you do win and most of the time all your profit is going to go to them for the vig. perfect for them."
Quote: gpac1377Here's how you described yourself recently on another board (posting under the handle "BacPro45"):
http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98393
"I play Professional Baccarat since 1996"
"I Used to play Black Jack as a professional but Baccarat has been my Game for the last Decade."
I think people here are genuinely curious as to the extent of your experience playing the current bac system. Anyone can get lucky short-term playing a game with a 1% house edge, but to be successful playing daily for a decade would be an entirely more impressive achievement.
I am introducing the "PARTNER BETTING METHODS since a couple months ago. Back in the day I was a "Single Player Baccarat Player betting at the 15.00 Bac tables using a different method that allows anyone to turn their 5.00 wager into 100.00. man that was over 15 years ago. This thread is about my new Partner Methods.
For those interested in my 15to100 method, here it is for Single players betting either Banker or Player.
1) Bet 15.00
2) If win, Bet 30.00
3) If win, Bet 50.00 and Pull back 10.00 to your bank roll
4) If win Pull back $100.00 and start over.
But back then I didn't care about the scoreboard either. What I did was follow the same betting as the rest of the table, the way the Asians did it.
I bet this way and never changed my betting for years when I played Baccarat.
Man I've Studied / Played many Casino games back since 1996. You guys need to stay focused and stop with the "analyzing me" BS.
Keep in Mind there are only Two sides: US and the Casino.
If your not on my side then I know who your representing.
On a side note gpac1377,
I'd like to give you a Kudos to your Signature about the "Stepladder" Many here will never understand, but back in the day. The Step Ladder Betting / Regressing Betting was The best and to this day still is, for those that get it and understand how to apply it in a correct way.
Quote: varmentiI can tell by your posts that you are serious Rob45, so yes ask me as many questions as you like till you get the full picture.
Tie hands count as a nonevent for betting purposes.
Are Tie hands to be included in the hand count as pertaining to session length (20-hand limit)?
Quote: boymimboGiven the size of the bankroll and the goal, I think it's not too difficult to hit the small win goal, but there will be an occurrence where EVERYTHING will be lost due to the combinations of player/banker plays that results in the complete annihilation of the bankroll.
No, it's a positive on win progression. Much like Patrick's systems, it reduces exposure to loss by having a loss limit, short sessions, and only upping on wins. These systems don't go nuclear. They slowly die. Before that death there may be period of growth and flourishing, of course.
It's not a dumb way to bet. It's not a winning(*) way either.
(*) Guaranteed winning. I am sure you might win with it.
Quote: rob45Tie hands count as a nonevent for betting purposes.
Are Tie hands to be included in the hand count as pertaining to session length (20-hand limit)?
Yes I count them as a hand dealt.
Quote: thecesspitNo, it's a positive on win progression. Much like Patrick's systems, it reduces exposure to loss by having a loss limit, short sessions, and only upping on wins. These systems don't go nuclear. They slowly die. Before that death there may be period of growth and flourishing, of course.
It's not a dumb way to bet. It's not a winning(*) way either.
(*) Guaranteed winning. I am sure you might win with it.
I agree with you thecesspit, Thats why I go to the Casino Expecting to lose my Bank roll, my wife and I have just been on a positive run at this time and we do not expect anything to last or work forever. but for the last couple months, we are doing OK with Triple our Bankroll and a few things to enjoy on the side.
Then that is how the sessions will be played.Quote: varmentiYes I count them as a hand dealt.
My teacher is back!!!! Yay!!Quote: gr8playerOK, fellas, you've had your fun...
+250,000Quote: gr8playerI am pleased to have made your acquaintance, my friend.
(Oh, and that was NOT a reference to the $250,000 you lost at baccarat, teacher. I just wanted to show that I agreed with your comment and picked the number 250,000 out of thin air. I swear!)
Quote: Beethoven9thMy teacher is back!!!! Yay!!
+250,000
(Oh, and that was NOT a reference to the $250,000 you lost at baccarat, teacher. I just wanted to show that I agreed with your comment and picked the number 250,000 out of thin air. I swear!)
ROFLMAO!
Be back around 2am.
Rob45 I'll try to bring you back the score cards of some more REAL Baccarat shoes. (They won't let me take pics of the scoreboard anymore.)
Quote: varmentiI agree with you thecesspit, Thats why I go to the Casino Expecting to lose my Bank roll, my wife and I have just been on a positive run at this time and we do not expect anything to last or work forever. but for the last couple months, we are doing OK with Triple our Bankroll and a few things to enjoy on the side.
Well at least the truth has come out...
Quote: varmenti
Shoe 5 = BPPBBBBBPBBPPBPPPPPPPB (This was a very good playing table)
So Varmenti, I have been trying to follow along with you on this thread. I applaud anyone who tries to get an advantage. You also already admitted that you are on the plus side of variance right now and I would agree. Based on your progression of 25/50/75/50/75/100/125/150/200/100/150 I ran out the shoe that you posted as a very good playing table.
In my calculations, you would have wagered $900 on Banker and $1175 on player. You won $1100 worth of decisions so your payout would be $2200. you paid $21.25 in commissions for a total profit of $103.75. If I did my math correctly, are you saying that a $100 profit shoe is a good shoe for your system.
or did I do my math wrong?
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Session 3 result: -$66.25
Running total: -$328.75
Quote: varmentiThese were all hand shuffled by me and dealt by me. 8 decks split into 5 parts and dealt using normal Baccarat Rules.
Thanks for your effort and your response.
I only asked the question due to the high number of streaks.
Would prefer seeing some complete Casino auto shuffled/hand shuffled shoes posted.
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Session 4 result: +$22.50
Running total: -$306.25
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Session 5 result: -$128.75
Running total: -$435.00
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Session 6 result: -$133.75
Running total: -$568.75
Quote: rob45Session 5
XTOXOXXO
Session 5 result: -$128.75
Running total: -$435.00
why stop at 8
Quote: GWAEQuote: rob45Session 5
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Session 5 result: -$128.75
Running total: -$435.00
why stop at 8
The beginning balance for each session is $200.00, meaning that amount is both the "buy-in" and also the "loss limit".
After the 8th hand was settled, the balance was $71.25. Keeping in mind that $75.00 is required to place bets on a ninth hand, the session must end.
We cannot bet what we don't have.
Quote: rob45Quote: GWAEQuote: rob45Session 5
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Session 5 result: -$128.75
Running total: -$435.00
why stop at 8
The beginning balance for each session is $200.00, meaning that amount is both the "buy-in" and also the "loss limit".
After the 8th hand was settled, the balance was $71.25. Keeping in mind that $75.00 is required to place bets on a ninth hand, the session must end.
We cannot bet what we don't have.
I don't think that is correct though. He says that he buys in for $1000 and that he stops if he loses $200. So I think he would make at least 2 more bets. If his $25 wager was the winner on both then he would stop at -$228 or so. But that is just my take on it.
Quote: rob45
We cannot bet what we don't have.
When will this start making $1000 a day like
Gr8varmenti? You must be doing something
wrong.
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Session 7 result: -$46.25
Running total: -$615.00
Quote: AxelWolfGr8player Im in AC i would like to watch you win some money.
Quote: gr8playerContinued good luck with your Bac play, Varmenti, and I am pleased to have made your acquaintance, my friend.
Teacher, why did you ignore AxelWolf? He simply wants to observe the world's foremost expert on everything baccarat!
Who can blame him??
Quote: GWAEQuote: rob45Quote: GWAEQuote: rob45Session 5
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Session 5 result: -$128.75
Running total: -$435.00
why stop at 8
The beginning balance for each session is $200.00, meaning that amount is both the "buy-in" and also the "loss limit".
After the 8th hand was settled, the balance was $71.25. Keeping in mind that $75.00 is required to place bets on a ninth hand, the session must end.
We cannot bet what we don't have.
I don't think that is correct though. He says that he buys in for $1000 and that he stops if he loses $200. So I think he would make at least 2 more bets. If his $25 wager was the winner on both then he would stop at -$228 or so. But that is just my take on it.
This is part of the uncertainty that has been so prevalent throughout this thread. I have been led to understand that $1000 is the total bankroll, and $200 is the buy-in (and also the loss limit) for each session.
Quote: varmentiQuote: rob45
Quote: varmenti
I'm still not certain how your "partner betting progression" is supposed to work; perhaps more detail is needed.
Please be specific with the following details:
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1. Starting bankroll. (e.g., $1000.00)
Yes 1000 is good
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2. Buy-in for each "session". Assume one individual who has the ability to place wagers on each bet (both Player and Banker).
2-300 per table.
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3. Define session length, both in terms of win or loss as pertaining to buy-in for that session. Of specific interest is loss before ending the session.
Between the three tables you will notice many different outcomes: (win, win, win) (Win, lose, win) (Lose, lose, win) and (Lose, lose, Lose) if you happen to lose a third of your bankroll from 3 tables, then end the session of the losing table, "Play by ear" limit to 20 hands or after an expected run.
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Also, please provide instruction on how begin the next session (e.g., sit out a few hands, wait for new shuffle, change tables, etc.).
Start each session at new tables, the third table doesn't matter.
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4. Base bet. (e.g., $10.00)
$25.00
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5. Exact progression during winning streaks. (e.g., $10-$20-$30-$20-$30-$40-$30-$40-$50 etc.)
25,50,75,50,75,100,75,100,125 and so on.
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Many of the math heavyweights will shake their heads at such an experiment, and I completely agree with them; however, one of the first rebuttals that an adherant of any system offers is "Try this at home; you can't lose."
Please provide specifics in order for me to prove that "I can't lose".
Pitbosses do the same shake when you play two-three tables at a time.
"If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!"
The above "quote jungle" is the entire post from page 27, post #264 of this thread. It was a reply post from varmenti to me. It was posted October 2nd, 2013 at 6:11:14 AM.
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Session 8 result: -$95.00
Running total: -$710.00
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Session 9 result: +$305.00
Running total: -$405.00
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Session 10 result: -$38.75
Running total: -$443.75
Quote: Beethoven9thTeacher, why did you ignore AxelWolf? He simply wants to observe the world's foremost expert on everything baccarat! Probably waiting me out lol. I'M still in AC so I'm still game. Perhaps I should say im back in vegas then he will accept.
Who can blame him??
Quote: rob45Session 10
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Session 10 result: -$38.75
Running total: -$443.75
Impossible!! Clearly, rob45, you are doing something wrong. Varmenti's system is infallible.
Quote: Beethoven9thTeacher, why did you ignore AxelWolf? He simply wants to observe the world's foremost expert on everything baccarat! Probably waiting me out lol. I'M still in AC so I'm still game. Perhaps I should say im back in vegas then he will accept.
Who can blame him??
Quote: AxelWolf
It's 1:17am EST and I just got home, I'm not ignoring anyone. Give me a chance to settle.
Here are the 10 games I played at the Bac tables.
give these a try:
Start each shoe from Right to left. and just play upto the 20 hands limit unless there is a run or can't get on other tables.
Quote: AxelWolfProbably waiting me out lol. I'M still in AC so I'm still game. Perhaps I should say im back in vegas then he will accept.
LOL
why are you answering for grea8player ?Quote: varmentiIt's 1:17am EST and I just got home, I'm not ignoring anyone. Give me a chance to settle.
Here are the 10 games I played at the Bac tables.
give these a try:
Start each shoe from Right to left. and just play upto the 20 hands limit unless there is a run or can't get on other tables.
Quote: GWAESo Varmenti, I have been trying to follow along with you on this thread. I applaud anyone who tries to get an advantage. You also already admitted that you are on the plus side of variance right now and I would agree. Based on your progression of 25/50/75/50/75/100/125/150/200/100/150 I ran out the shoe that you posted as a very good playing table.
In my calculations, you would have wagered $900 on Banker and $1175 on player. You won $1100 worth of decisions so your payout would be $2200. you paid $21.25 in commissions for a total profit of $103.75. If I did my math correctly, are you saying that a $100 profit shoe is a good shoe for your system.
or did I do my math wrong?
you should have made 250.00 profit from this shoe minus the cheezy Bank commissions.
Quote: AxelWolfwhy are you answering for grea8player ?Quote: varmentiIt's 1:17am EST and I just got home, I'm not ignoring anyone. Give me a chance to settle.
Here are the 10 games I played at the Bac tables.
give these a try:
Start each shoe from Right to left. and just play upto the 20 hands limit unless there is a run or can't get on other tables.
I'm not understanding what you're saying, I said I was heading out for Dinner buffet at the casino at 6 and returned just a few minutes ago, these are the 10 shoes I have played tonight, some losing and some winning.
if you want to play them, go for it, they each start from the right side of the card.
