Baccarat Partner Betting
Quote: EvenBobSome guy that joined 2 days ago and has no posts
was supposed to meet you? There sure are a lot
of new forum people showing up around here because
of you. Pretty convenient, huh.
Yup very convenient EvenBob, just like me and Gr8Player.
Ask the admin to do an ip check to make sure nishanth03 is not another Fake account.
If you're from this forum, I sure hope you get this message. If ever your upset about anything, LEAVE THE CASINO, and come back when you are 100% better mood. You argued with my wife saying that we have some kind of system that screws up your betting.
Whoever you are, I told you twice, next time you're in the Casino and you speak so ignorant to the dealers or people beside you, be prepared because I will personally Call security to have you removed.
Quote: varmentiThis Message is for the "Big Fat Guy that sat at a couple Tables early this evening at Fallsview Casino who would not shut up and treating all the dealers with disrespect.
If you're from this forum, I sure hope you get this message..
Do you always think that random people you meet are from this forum?
Quote: Beethoven9thDo you always think that random people you meet are from this forum?
Just the way the guy was talking, Telling my wife we have some kind of system and then mocking us as we win and he loses, sounds like similar guys on here just the way he was talking. He followed us to two tables and sat down to play, and both times he was asking many questions.
What really took the cake was when the guy was getting confused on what to bet, cost him to lose money and he blamed us for it.
Just sayin'
I just want people that are on this forum to please show a little respect for the dealers, they didn't deserve the way he talked to them.
Quote: varmentiJust the way the guy was talking, Telling my wife we have some kind of system and then mocking us as we win and he loses, sounds like similar guys on here just the way he was talking.
Huh? So if the guy said that 2 + 2 = 4, and I also said that 2 + 2 = 4, then you'd think the guy was me???
Quote: Beethoven9thDo you always think that random people you meet are from this forum?
Delusions of paranoia/grandeur/attention is my armchair guess.
Quote: Beethoven9thHuh? So if the guy said that 2 + 2 = 4, and I also said that 2 + 2 = 4, then you'd think the guy was me???
Whether the guy is from here or not, (I hate to assume) that's not the message I want to get across. The message I want to reach to other members is about Having respect at the tables, respect the dealers, and respect the people that sit at your table.
If he is from here or not, doesn't matter, I do not care to know him.
I Am asking once again if I should eagerly await your arrival to Las Vegas? I would like some advanced notice... so we don't have a scheduling conflict, possibility I can hook you up with some comped rooms and show tickets, until you can earn some for yourself, from your play. I could also address any concerns you may have, feel free to PM me
As far as people claiming their interest in meeting up with you, where you currently play, I suggests you look at ones members history and not be fooled by some newbies meet and greet offer, for all you know, someone is playing a dumb prank on you. I don't think many veteran WOV'ers live nearby your casino haunt.
Even if by chance someone from the forum meets up with you at a casino, If they are unknown new members, its almost certain the interested members of this particular thread will be very skeptical of the persons legitimacy.
We all understand anyone can make multiple accounts using VPN to mask or change the location of his or her IP and start generating fake content. As you can see already, quite a few people believe this is what's happening here. I believe the pics you sent are in fact of yourself, I believe you do play baccarat. However, We are all concerned with all the new members popping up during this entire saga.
You can easily put all this to rest and meet up with a regular known member. If you for some reason when you get to Las Vegas and wish not to meet up with me personally I'm sure we can conjure up someone other then myself, I doubt they will be as friendly, welcoming, generous and open minded.
Quote: AxelWolfvarmenti
I Am asking once again if I should eagerly await your arrival to Las Vegas? I would like some advanced notice... so we don't have a scheduling conflict, possibility I can hook you up with some comped rooms and show tickets, until you can earn some for yourself, from your play. I could also address any concerns you may have, feel free to PM me
As far as people claiming their interest in meeting up with you, where you currently play, I suggests you look at ones members history and not be fooled by some newbies meet and greet offer, for all you know, someone is playing a dumb prank on you. I don't think many veteran WOV'ers live nearby your casino haunt.
Even if by chance someone from the forum meets up with you at a casino, If they are unknown new members, its almost certain the interested members of this particular thread will be very skeptical of the persons legitimacy.
We all understand anyone can make multiple accounts using VPN to mask or change the location of his or her IP and start generating fake content. As you can see already, quite a few people believe this is what's happening here. I believe the pics you sent are in fact of yourself, I believe you do play baccarat. However, We are all concerned with all the new members popping up during this entire saga.
You can easily put all this to rest and meet up with a regular known member. If you for some reason when you get to Las Vegas and wish not to meet up with me personally I'm sure we can conjure up someone other then myself, I doubt they will be as friendly, welcoming, generous and open minded.
Hello AxelWolf, If your a serious Baccarat Player and want to make some serious money then Yes, we can definitely meet up many times during my stay in Vegas. I joke around with some of the guys on here but when it comes to the game of baccarat, nothing is better than to fill your pockets with 100 dollar bills day after day.
I haven't had a chance to read any of your threads, but yes if your serious and don't mind to spend 4-6hrs per day (morning afternoon and evening sessions at the tables yea we can definitely make a few bucks from that desert place and not even show a dent. I'll teach you a few tricks about comping Dinners and rooms too.
here we go guys, another one of my best kept secrets is about to come unleashed.
stay tuned.
Many Baccarat tables will hit a run of 6 Bankers / Players
start by Buying in at 2-3 tables all close by.
pick One table and use it as a "Let it Ride" Table 100% Parley
Parley looks like this: 1-2-4-8-16-32 (Each chip is $25.00)
Bet 1 chip on the Trend (example if Player, then put that chip on Player) of the Let It Ride table.
Do not bet on that table until you are 1 chip (Or More) ahead from the other two tables.
There will be alot of winning and losing from the other two, but just ask to have a Lammer placed on that third table.
hitting 6 in a row profits 1600.00 from a single 25.00 chip. if you lose it... big deal.
If its too aggressive for you, just try Parley 1-2-4-8 and lock in a cool 400.00 profit.
or even a simple 1-2-4 locking in a cool 200.00 profit from a single 25.00 chip.
just keep playing the other two tables with your favorite betting progression. Each table will compliment each other and before you know it... You are makin' $$$$$$$$
Please note that the betting progression listed above is very Dangerous and should never be used on the other tables.
here is a good starting progression for both single players and Partner betting. Progressive (1-2-3-2-3-4-3-4-5) and so on.
(Can even work for those negative Martingale betters But never recommended)
Enjoy!
Quote: varmentiThis Message is for the "Big Fat Guy that sat at a couple Tables early this evening at Fallsview Casino who would not shut up and treating all the dealers with disrespect.
How was he disrespecting the dealers?
Was he tipping them, even though they were not dealing Roulette or Big Six?
Quote: varmentiTHE Triple Table trip to riches!!! introduction.
Many Baccarat tables will hit a run of 6 Bankers / Players
start by Buying in at 2-3 tables all close by. Few casinos allow this.
pick One table and use it as a "Let it Ride" Table 100% Parley
Parley looks like this: 1-2-4-8-16-32 (Each chip is $25.00)
Bet 1 chip on the Trend (example if Player, then put that chip on Player) of the Let It Ride table.
Do not bet on that table until you are 1 chip (Or More) ahead from the other two tables.
There will be alot of winning and losing from the other two, but just ask to have a Lammer placed on that third table. Once again, several casinos do not allow action on more than one game. I only frequent about 12 different casinos, but the majority of them do not even go so far as to allow an individual to have cheques on a table if playing on another table. Perhaps Fallsview provides one of those rare opportunities; give them time, and they will have enough incidents occur that will cause them to fall in line with the rest of the casino world.
hitting 6 in a row profits 1600.00 from a single 25.00 chip. if you lose it... big deal.
If its too aggressive for you, just try Parley 1-2-4-8 and lock in a cool 400.00 profit.
or even a simple 1-2-4 locking in a cool 200.00 profit from a single 25.00 chip.
just keep playing the other two tables with your favorite betting progression. Each table will compliment each other and before you know it... You are makin' $$$$$$$$
Please note that the betting progression listed above is very Dangerous and should never be used on the other tables. All betting progressions can be considered dangerous, irregardless of the table.
Interesting? Yes.
Fun? Sometimes.
Long-term profitable? No.
here is a good starting progression for both single players and Partner betting. Progressive (1-2-3-2-3-4-3-4-5) and so on. So, is this the positive progression you recommend for your "partner betting system"?
(Can even work for those negative Martingale betters But never recommended)
Enjoy!
I'm still not certain how your "partner betting progression" is supposed to work; perhaps more detail is needed.
Please be specific with the following details:
1. Starting bankroll. (e.g., $1000.00)
2. Buy-in for each "session". Assume one individual who has the ability to place wagers on each bet (both Player and Banker).
3. Define session length, both in terms of win or loss as pertaining to buy-in for that session. Of specific interest is loss before ending the session. Also, please provide instruction on how begin the next session (e.g., sit out a few hands, wait for new shuffle, change tables, etc.).
4. Base bet. (e.g., $10.00)
5. Exact progression during winning streaks. (e.g., $10-$20-$30-$20-$30-$40-$30-$40-$50 etc.)
It is my firm belief that the inadequacy of any positive progression betting system is due to the fact that it relies on winning streaks, and the success of any such system relies upon predicting when such streaks occur. As such predictions are an impossibility, adherants to the system will create "loss limits" in an effort to "buffer the choppiness".
As always, the wins must be greater than the losses for the "system" to be successful.
Provided you can provide specific instruction outlined above, in addition to any other "help" I may need from the "master", I am willing to try your system "at home" as per your direction in previous posts.
I propose two avenues of play. The first would be via the free game section provided by this site. The second would be via the actual Mini-Baccarat layout (and shoe) that I have at my house.
An agreement should be made as to how many "sessions" are to be played as part of the experiment.
Simply let me know exact details of your methods, and I will be more than happy to update results on this public forum.
As part of this experiment, you agree to understand my limited time online (both to play the game here, and also to update results), and you also agree to understand my limited time at home (for the actual hand-shuffled, hand-dealt game). In other words, there is to be no minimum or maximum of "sessions" to be played within a given timeframe to either prove or disprove results. Quite naturally, the online game will yield considerably quicker results.
Many of the math heavyweights will shake their heads at such an experiment, and I completely agree with them; however, one of the first rebuttals that an adherant of any system offers is "Try this at home; you can't lose."
Please provide specifics in order for me to prove that "I can't lose".
Quote: rob45Quote: varmenti
I'm still not certain how your "partner betting progression" is supposed to work; perhaps more detail is needed.
Please be specific with the following details:Quote:1. Starting bankroll. (e.g., $1000.00)
Yes 1000 is goodQuote:2. Buy-in for each "session". Assume one individual who has the ability to place wagers on each bet (both Player and Banker).
2-300 per table.Quote:3. Define session length, both in terms of win or loss as pertaining to buy-in for that session. Of specific interest is loss before ending the session.
Between the three tables you will notice many different outcomes: (win, win, win) (Win, lose, win) (Lose, lose, win) and (Lose, lose, Lose) if you happen to lose a third of your bankroll from 3 tables, then end the session of the losing table, "Play by ear" limit to 20 hands or after an expected run.Quote:Also, please provide instruction on how begin the next session (e.g., sit out a few hands, wait for new shuffle, change tables, etc.).
Start each session at new tables, the third table doesn't matter.Quote:4. Base bet. (e.g., $10.00)
$25.00Quote:5. Exact progression during winning streaks. (e.g., $10-$20-$30-$20-$30-$40-$30-$40-$50 etc.)
25,50,75,50,75,100,75,100,125 and so on.Quote:Many of the math heavyweights will shake their heads at such an experiment, and I completely agree with them; however, one of the first rebuttals that an adherant of any system offers is "Try this at home; you can't lose."
Please provide specifics in order for me to prove that "I can't lose".
Pitbosses do the same shake when you play two-three tables at a time."If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
Quote: rob45How was he disrespecting the dealers?
Was he tipping them, even though they were not dealing Roulette or Big Six?
Negative attitude Making them feel guilty for losing his money. All the dealers do is deal cards in a robotic style fashion.
Then tipping seems unwarranted if this is trueQuote: varmenti. All the dealers do is deal cards in a robotic style fashion.
Quote: AxelWolfThen tipping seems unwarranted if this is true
He's stated previously that only dealers who can "control" the outcome (roulette, big six) deserve to be tipped.
Their friends should be rich.Quote: wudgedHe's stated previously that only dealers who can "control" the outcome (roulette, big six) deserve to be tipped.
however If a dealer at the big six was trying, I believe he could come close to bigger paying number on the wheel.
Quote: varmentiTHE Triple Table trip to riches!!! introduction.
Many Baccarat tables will hit a run of 6 Bankers / Players
start by Buying in at 2-3 tables all close by.
pick One table and use it as a "Let it Ride" Table 100% Parley
Parley looks like this: 1-2-4-8-16-32 (Each chip is $25.00)
Bet 1 chip on the Trend (example if Player, then put that chip on Player) of the Let It Ride table.
Do not bet on that table until you are 1 chip (Or More) ahead from the other two tables.
There will be alot of winning and losing from the other two, but just ask to have a Lammer placed on that third table.
hitting 6 in a row profits 1600.00 from a single 25.00 chip. if you lose it... big deal.
If its too aggressive for you, just try Parley 1-2-4-8 and lock in a cool 400.00 profit.
or even a simple 1-2-4 locking in a cool 200.00 profit from a single 25.00 chip.
just keep playing the other two tables with your favorite betting progression. Each table will compliment each other and before you know it... You are makin' $$$$$$$$
Please note that the betting progression listed above is very Dangerous and should never be used on the other tables.
here is a good starting progression for both single players and Partner betting. Progressive (1-2-3-2-3-4-3-4-5) and so on.
(Can even work for those negative Martingale betters But never recommended)
Enjoy!
Harrah's absolutely does not allow this. I watched them shut down a bacc player who ran to my pai gow table this past week, trying to play a quick hand while she had money on the bacc felt. They were disgusted with her even trying, dealers and pit supervisors alike.
Things are still somewhat ambiguous, but that is to be expected from an amateur such as myself.
To further clarify before I begin the home experiment:
1. Rules of game are traditional baccarat- 8 decks, standard drawing rules, even money payouts with Banker wins paying 5% commission.
We will assume the purpose of a "partner" (opposing bettor) for your system is due to the fact that some casinos may not allow one single individual to simultaneously place wagers on both Player and Banker. For the experiment, "opposite betting" will be allowed.
2. Not that it matters, but table limits (for purposes of the experiment) will be $25 minimum bet, with $10,000 maximum bet.
3. For purposes of making this experiment feasible, total bankroll does not apply (as there is no playing 2-3 tables). Win/loss of each "session" will be posted on this thread for all to see, providing the ability for others to track cumulative results.
If playing the game online, a new "session" can be defined as stopping play for the current game and simply beginning a new game.
If playing at home with the actual cards, layout, and shoe, then a new "session" can be defined as shuffling the cards and beginning a new shoe.
4. "Session" buy-in will be $300.
5. At ALL times a wager shall be placed on both "Player" and "Banker".
Initial play begins with $25 being wagered on "Player", in addition to $25 being wagered on "Banker".
The winning wager will increase the size of the following wager according to your progression. In this instance, (25-50-75)-(50-75-100)-(75-100-125)-(100-125-150)-(125-150-175), etc.
In the event of a loss, the wager for the following hand on that same spot reverts back to $25.
6. Definition of "end-of-session". The following can cause a "session" to end:
a. Either the "session" buy-in of $300 is lost, or a $200 net profit has been realized. Exception to the $200 profit ending the session would be if "in the middle of a streak".
b. Twenty (20) hands have been played with no history of a "streak" occurring. From your previous posts, I assume a "streak" is to be defined as the same spot winning six (6) consecutive times or more.
c. There indeed has been a "streak"; however, a loss has finally occurred and the "streak" has ended, thus causing the "session" to end.
Please confirm the above before I begin the experiment (especially 6b.), as I want to be absolutely sure that I am following your system correctly.
I would suspect that I can play several "sessions" daily online. For the hand-dealt game at home, I should be able to get at least a few sessions daily on those days I'm at home.
I will "keep score" on the hand-played game, and that is already addressed by the online game. I would rather not take time and room here to post the play history of each session, but I am willing to do so if you suspect I am not following your system correctly. Please let me know if you require this in order that I may tabulate the play history of the online game.
Each "session" will be assigned a number, and the results of each session will be posted in this thread.
We need to establish the number of "sessions" to be played, as the experiment could last indefinitely otherwise.
I feel that five hundred (500) "sessions" should be enough to either prove/disprove the validity of your system; however, if you wish me to post play history of each "session", I insist that you give me the ability to start a new thread discussing only the experiment.
Please confirm that I understand your system before I proceed.
Edit: I reread your posts and modified 6a.
Second edit: To further elaborate on 6b, tie hands will not be counted as decisions. IOW, tie hands do not contribute to the 20-hand limit; the "session" continues until 20 win/loss decisions have occurred.
Quote: beachbumbabsHarrah's absolutely does not allow this.
No casino I've been in does. They don't allow bets
on more than one table at a time. I tried years
ago to play two roulette tables at once and was
told in every casino it's against the rules. Just
more fantasy from Gr8vermanti.
Quote: EvenBobNo casino I've been in does. They don't allow bets
on more than one table at a time. I tried years
ago to play two roulette tables at once and was
told in every casino it's against the rules. Just
more fantasy from Gr8vermanti.
Brillant Bob......how many Buckeye's do you have in your collection? Any more takes on Tiger Woods?
Quote: Mission146I will now give your request due consideration: No.
Ask him in six days.
While the terse reply was one certainly to be expected, I am thankful for your request for my reinstatement. Much appreciated...
I began reading this post at work for entertainment purposes but the more and more I read it I decided that there was no harm in giving it a try. After all these posts about systems that just lessen the house edge I'm interested enough in a system that might just work? Hey why not right?
I'm not a baccarat player but from what I gathered it is essentially a coin flip decision. So hell why not use a coin. If i understand the game the player makes no decision besides on who to bet on and how much.
I tried to simulate what a typical daily session would be. I played 3 different sessions twice. Trying to simulate 2 different days and 3 seperate 'sit downs' on that day.
The first day I netted a 425 dollar win. 2 winning sessions and 1 losing session. The second day, which I have some more intricate data, I netted a 475 dollar win. My sessions stats are as follows:
1 session: 31 decisions, 1 streak of 4, 1 streak of 3, and my final and ending streak of 6. Net gain of 475.
2 session: 29 decisions, 1 streak of 4, 1 streak of 3. Net loss of 425.
3 session: 6 decisions, 1 streak of 5. Net gain of 425 dollars.
I haven't been able to find a real 'system' listed on the forums yet so I tried to follow the rules that I have picked up. I believe I'm supposed to stop at a 200 dollar session win or a 6 hand winning streak, whichever happens first. i stopped on my day 2 second session at a net loss of 425 because Varmenti seems to say that you're supposed to stop if the shoe is bad. I don't know how to quantify bad but I thought 425 down was good enough to stop.
Thats all the data I have for now - but I find it a little strange that both of my daily stats have me up. Obviously only a computer can run enough simulations to truly find if a system is viable but I'm far from a programmer so this will have to do. It can't be any worse than any other system.
I have a couple questions for Varmenti:
1. Why do you only come in on a new shoe (new cards)? I don't understand why that matters at all.
2. What is your criteria to stop? Both from winnings and from losings. If you just got a streak of 6 why isn't it just as likely that it will happen again for the other player?
3. You said in a post somewhere in this thread that you should ride a streak till it's over. However if you did that you would never ever make a profit. No streak lasts forever. Why did you say that?
Thanks for reading all - hope this was somewhat helpful even if it was just a tiny amount of information. Going to continue to see if I can keep having daily 'wins'.
Dan
Quote: dbuikemaGentlemen,
I began reading this post at work for entertainment purposes but the more and more I read it I decided that there was no harm in giving it a try. After all these posts about systems that just lessen the house edge I'm interested enough in a system that might just work? Hey why not right?
I'm not a baccarat player but from what I gathered it is essentially a coin flip decision. So hell why not use a coin. If i understand the game the player makes no decision besides on who to bet on and how much.
I tried to simulate what a typical daily session would be. I played 3 different sessions twice. Trying to simulate 2 different days and 3 seperate 'sit downs' on that day.
The first day I netted a 425 dollar win. 2 winning sessions and 1 losing session. The second day, which I have some more intricate data, I netted a 475 dollar win. My sessions stats are as follows:
1 session: 31 decisions, 1 streak of 4, 1 streak of 3, and my final and ending streak of 6. Net gain of 475.
2 session: 29 decisions, 1 streak of 4, 1 streak of 3. Net loss of 425.
3 session: 6 decisions, 1 streak of 5. Net gain of 425 dollars.
I haven't been able to find a real 'system' listed on the forums yet so I tried to follow the rules that I have picked up. I believe I'm supposed to stop at a 200 dollar session win or a 6 hand winning streak, whichever happens first. i stopped on my day 2 second session at a net loss of 425 because Varmenti seems to say that you're supposed to stop if the shoe is bad. I don't know how to quantify bad but I thought 425 down was good enough to stop.
Thats all the data I have for now - but I find it a little strange that both of my daily stats have me up. Obviously only a computer can run enough simulations to truly find if a system is viable but I'm far from a programmer so this will have to do. It can't be any worse than any other system.
I have a couple questions for Varmenti:
1. Why do you only come in on a new shoe (new cards)? I don't understand why that matters at all.
2. What is your criteria to stop? Both from winnings and from losings. If you just got a streak of 6 why isn't it just as likely that it will happen again for the other player?
3. You said in a post somewhere in this thread that you should ride a streak till it's over. However if you did that you would never ever make a profit. No streak lasts forever. Why did you say that?
Thanks for reading all - hope this was somewhat helpful even if it was just a tiny amount of information. Going to continue to see if I can keep having daily 'wins'.
Dan
Losing 425 is very bad and you will lose your bankroll.
Try to include loss limiting at 20 hands. there are many tables that hit runs of 5-10 in the early start of each shoe.
yes I do recommend quitting after you hit +200.00 goal per table or if you are at 200 goal but you are in an ongoing streak, let it keep going and quit when the streak ends.
But don't chase a losing table. the average loss should be about 100-150.00 per shoe if you run bad.
Try this.
1) flip three coins same time and record results. (two heads, two tails or three same = tie)
2) record results 10-20 flips, that's it that's all.
3) Write down the result then repeat the process a couple times,
4) now apply your fav, betting progression.
you will notice after a while, you will average quite a profit that May in fact last for the long term.
Try it at home as many times possible to build 100% confidence ready, before getting your feet wet in the Casino.
A couple more examples from just the other day at the live Casino here.
My wife and I hit a run on a table resulted in 13 Players right from the very beginning. We left with over 1200.00 in profit, when leaving after that streak.
The table was hot, but who cares. even though the table made another run of 7 bankers followed by another 8 players, We made our money for that table. and also having a Goal set at 1000.00 per day, we had an early day.
One of our favorite dealers also mentioned hitting a run of 12 players that same day while walking through the baccarat pit coming from Dinner. but it doesn't matter because we achieved our goal for the day, no more gambling. save it for the next day.
Quote:I have a couple questions for Varmenti:
Quote:1. Why do you only come in on a new shoe (new cards)? I don't understand why that matters at all.
Back in the day around 2001, the dealers Hand shuffled the cards and the baccarat tables would have runs of 15-23 bankers / players on many occasions. Keeping that in mind, i've noticed that the dealers hand shuffle the cards when they open the tables, and i know the deck will be 100% random. and not machine shuffled. I notice machine shuffled cards only seam to show an average run of 6 in a row. (it's just a point of view)Quote:2. What is your criteria to stop? Both from winnings and from losings. If you just got a streak of 6 why isn't it just as likely that it will happen again for the other player?
1) Loss limit = play 10-20 hands then leave the table, don't wait for streak to come. I look for tables ready to deal a new shoe and just move.
2) short term goal achieved (200.00 per table)
3) 1000/day goal achieved, go for complimentary buffet or go home.Quote:3. You said in a post somewhere in this thread that you should ride a streak till it's over. However if you did that you would never ever make a profit. No streak lasts forever. Why did you say that?
Streak is going passed 6 and i'm up passed 200.00. (wait till streak ends then walk) the other day, a table hit a run of Ties and Players totaling 18 players. that is a streak of 10 resulting in 1000.00 profit and 500 max bet totaling 5000.00 for that session.
I wish I could take pictures of the scoreboards because just the last couple days at the casino, there was another table that hit 2 runs of player 12 and shortly after another run of 12. but Please keep in mind an important rule, If you stay at that table, then you are Gambling at just giving them their money back.
My methods include alot more than just a betting progression. I posted some system requirements on here you may want to also check out.
Have fun !!!
Quote: varmentiMy methods include alot more than just a betting progression.
If you have to use a progression, you don't have an edge.
If you can't win flat betting, the casino will beat you.
Please learn how to format your posts properly when quoting.
They're a mess.
Thanks for the quick responses. However, I'm having a hard time finding logic in some of your posts.
I will continue to test because I'm curious.
Thanks!
Dan
Quote: dbuikemaVarmenti,
...However, I'm having a hard time finding logic in some of your posts.
Me too. I'm having a hard time finding logic in some all of his posts.
bets yet, like happened to GR8. They have to be jealous
of all his winnings.
Day 1:
Session 1: 7 decisions, streak of 5, 350 win.
Session 2: 8 decisions, streak of 5, 350 win.
Session 3: 11 decisions, streak of 5, 275 win. Total on the day 975 win.
Day 2:
Session 1: 9 decisions, streak of 5, 275 win.
Session 2: 20 decisions, no streaks greater than 4, 175 loss.
Session 3: 21 decisions, no streaks greater than 4, 150 loss. Total on the day 150 loss.
Day 3:
Session 1: 21 decisions, 2 streaks of 4, 150 Loss.
Session 2: 21 decisions, 2 streaks of 4, 200 loss.
Session 3: 5 decisions, streak of 5, 375 win. Total on the day 25 win.
Total for all sessions 850 win.
, but do it in a single shoe. Pros start betting with 1K at the end of shoe they bet 15K winning 150K plus. Betting bank and player? How many hours can you play before you win first 10K? You'll get burned, the game is too stressful. Play it like blitz chess, well, that's how pro baccarat players do. Plus minus 1 million. This is baccarat!
Quote: rob45I would like for gr8player to explain to varmenti that the existence of "choppiness" is far too prevalent for the "partner betting progression" to have any chance of long-term success.
Sure thing, rob45.
Please allow me to preface my forthcoming advice with this: Varmenti is successful, apparently, with his play. And he appears comfortable with it, as well. Can't knock that, and I wish him continued successes. That said, in response to rob45's inquiry, I offer this:
Varmenti is attempting to capitalize on streaks, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that inherently. In Baccarat, as in any EC game, betting for the streaks is the easiest and quickest way to victory. When it works. I mean, what could be simpler than leaving your money up on the very same circle every time? And it'll get you to the cashier's cage quicker than most any other mode of play. In fact, I could not imagine any successful mode of play that did not include some sort of streak play. I myself play for "dominations" when they are presenting themselves, "domination" defined as one side winning the bulk of the current decisions, oftentimes interspersed by only one or two interruptions by the opposite side. A great find when it avails itself, the earlier you're on it, the better. And I have built-in triggers that signal potential "doms" at their onset.
Now, that all said, to bet every hand, as it appears Varmenti does, on both sides while awaiting one of the to "break out" into a prolonged streak; I'm just not sure that I could ever endorse such a play.
Firstly, one could simply "net bet" (read: subtract the lower bet from the higher side, and simply bet the difference) and achieve better results simply by saving those pesky (and costly) constant Banker's commissions.
And, even more importantly, what happens to one's bankroll when those predominate 2's and 3's are the order of the day (or shoe)? On average, there are 8 - 10 two's per shoe and 4 - 5 three's per shoe. And it appears that, as Varmenti is currently playing it, he's losing a "higher-sized" (read: pressed) bet at each run that ends at two, and only "breaking even" (at best) on runs ending at three. (Varmenti, I apologize, in advance, if I'm mistaken in the way you play, and please, my friend, take no offense, for I'm only seeking to assist you, not hurt you.)
I would prefer a much more patient approach as opposed to this apparent "run chasing". As I stated earlier, I, too, play for streaks/dominations. But I do so only when "triggered". I look for a shoe (or portion thereof) that appears predisposed to such "streaky" results, and, even at that, I'll cease my betting at the latest "apex" (read: high top) of any prior streak on that side. As opposed to simply "blindly" continuing to bet into "high tops" (for ex., Banker streaks shown to be stopping at 4, why lose your "pressed bet" on the unproven 5th B). Now, should that same side "break through" its recent apex (I call that a "new top"), in that case I'm right back on that break-out streak, riding for all its worth. What was the cost of waiting for the "new top"? One bet. But on shoes/tables where the streaks are consistently ending at 3 or 4....you're saving your "high bet" loss chasing for invisible longer runs.
That single adjustment in your play, Varmenti, I think has the potential to save you from your loss limit countless times. Take a look at your records to see if you might concur.
Witness Thursday night Mohegan Sun:
I'm not going into a long trip report right now, for I haven't the time, but as it pertains to what I've just posted:
The second shoe did not have a run over three (all runs, if the hit the 3-hole, died right there) the entire shoe UNTIL the last hand of the shoe, when the 4th Player hit.
How did I do? What do you think I did? I played a couple of trends that were "off and on", but my main play for that shoe was my " half parlay" bets on the opposite side after any run hit the 3-hole. Beautiful.
I've said it a hundred times: Find the "sweet spot" in each and every shoe (or portion thereof) that you can, and hit it for all it's worth. While it's rare to last as long as this one did, the longer they go on, the better. My job is to find that spot and take full advantage of it.
I won 7 units (6 1/2 after comm & tip)
(Sidenote: Two other players, at the opposite side of the table, went broke "fighting" that glaring trend. Moral: Never buck a trend, always ride it out. Why: You lose only one time, at trends end, but you can, potentially, ride those wins as long as that trend lasts. Not to mention the frustration that comes with bucking a trend.)
I wish you all the very best of it.
Quote: gr8playerSure thing, rob45.
Please allow me to preface my forthcoming advice with this: Varmenti is successful, apparently, with his play. And he appears comfortable with it, as well. Can't knock that, and I wish him continued successes. That said, in response to rob45's inquiry, I offer this:
Varmenti is attempting to capitalize on streaks, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that inherently. In Baccarat, as in any EC game, betting for the streaks is the easiest and quickest way to victory. When it works. I mean, what could be simpler than leaving your money up on the very same circle every time? And it'll get you to the cashier's cage quicker than most any other mode of play. In fact, I could not imagine any successful mode of play that did not include some sort of streak play. I myself play for "dominations" when they are presenting themselves, "domination" defined as one side winning the bulk of the current decisions, oftentimes interspersed by only one or two interruptions by the opposite side. A great find when it avails itself, the earlier you're on it, the better. And I have built-in triggers that signal potential "doms" at their onset.
Now, that all said, to bet every hand, as it appears Varmenti does, on both sides while awaiting one of the to "break out" into a prolonged streak; I'm just not sure that I could ever endorse such a play.
Firstly, one could simply "net bet" (read: subtract the lower bet from the higher side, and simply bet the difference) and achieve better results simply by saving those pesky (and costly) constant Banker's commissions.
And, even more importantly, what happens to one's bankroll when those predominate 2's and 3's are the order of the day (or shoe)? On average, there are 8 - 10 two's per shoe and 4 - 5 three's per shoe. And it appears that, as Varmenti is currently playing it, he's losing a "higher-sized" (read: pressed) bet at each run that ends at two, and only "breaking even" (at best) on runs ending at three. (Varmenti, I apologize, in advance, if I'm mistaken in the way you play, and please, my friend, take no offense, for I'm only seeking to assist you, not hurt you.)
I would prefer a much more patient approach as opposed to this apparent "run chasing". As I stated earlier, I, too, play for streaks/dominations. But I do so only when "triggered". I look for a shoe (or portion thereof) that appears predisposed to such "streaky" results, and, even at that, I'll cease my betting at the latest "apex" (read: high top) of any prior streak on that side. As opposed to simply "blindly" continuing to bet into "high tops" (for ex., Banker streaks shown to be stopping at 4, why lose your "pressed bet" on the unproven 5th B). Now, should that same side "break through" its recent apex (I call that a "new top"), in that case I'm right back on that break-out streak, riding for all its worth. What was the cost of waiting for the "new top"? One bet. But on shoes/tables where the streaks are consistently ending at 3 or 4....you're saving your "high bet" loss chasing for invisible longer runs.
That single adjustment in your play, Varmenti, I think has the potential to save you from your loss limit countless times. Take a look at your records to see if you might concur.
Witness Thursday night Mohegan Sun:
I'm not going into a long trip report right now, for I haven't the time, but as it pertains to what I've just posted:
The second shoe did not have a run over three (all runs, if the hit the 3-hole, died right there) the entire shoe UNTIL the last hand of the shoe, when the 4th Player hit.
How did I do? What do you think I did? I played a couple of trends that were "off and on", but my main play for that shoe was my " half parlay" bets on the opposite side after any run hit the 3-hole. Beautiful.
I've said it a hundred times: Find the "sweet spot" in each and every shoe (or portion thereof) that you can, and hit it for all it's worth. While it's rare to last as long as this one did, the longer they go on, the better. My job is to find that spot and take full advantage of it.
I won 7 units (6 1/2 after comm & tip)
(Sidenote: Two other players, at the opposite side of the table, went broke "fighting" that glaring trend. Moral: Never buck a trend, always ride it out. Why: You lose only one time, at trends end, but you can, potentially, ride those wins as long as that trend lasts. Not to mention the frustration that comes with bucking a trend.)
I wish you all the very best of it.
We all see the simple math here:
betting 50 on player and 25 on banker being = to betting 25 on player and removing the equal balance (the extra 25 on Player and betting one side.
This is why many dealers shake their heads. But they don't "get it" the extra chip covers the top Line (Backbone Line) to insure a full streak. If I bet one side, I will always be betting after the result thus missing out on My true streak.
Yes I can monopolize my wins by saving such money, but no worries, it's just $25.00 insurance. after the second win in any streak run, The opposite side gets a free bet thereafter, resulting in Long Term Play & Free opportunity at hitting the Long runs when they occur. The Complimenting Bet is what makes my Method of play work.
Please do keep in mind, that Baccarat is a "Game of Chance" just like any other Casino game. You win and you lose, the key is to limit your losses and Take full advantage when the opportunities start to arise.
There is more to this method of play but I don't want to get too much into it, because give it a few minutes and the "Jokers of WOV will arrive soon to Blow this Thread post all to hell"
I can alter my betting to save a few extra bucks to increase my profits, but I choose not too because I'm making money "Why fix something if it ain't broke"
I'd like to hear other Baccarat methods from other members and we can Logically break it down and compare.
Quote: varmentiYes I can monopolize my wins by saving such money, but no worries, it's just $25.00 insurance. The Complimenting Bet is what makes my Method of play work.
There is more to this method of play but I don't want to get too much into it
Hello, Varmenti.
Again, all due respect, I just don't get it. That "complimenting bet" is something that I just don't understand.
There must be, as you said, "more to this method", because I, my friend, am at a loss. Unless, of course, streaks "abound" at your favorite casino.
I can assure you, where I play in AC and CT, they do not. But, I do get a lot of this, as I described as a "dom" earlier:
PPP B PP B P...I'm betting for P here, for it to continue to "dominate" the current results. Should I win, I'll "no-bet" the next decision, because while it's a bit of a Player "dom", it did stop at the 2-hole last showing, so I won't bet for the 3-hole to hit in this instance. But, should that 2nd Player bet hit, I will "half-parlay" after the next B sighting, hoping for that Banker's side to continue its weak (read: single) showing.
Just a part of my play that I'm both comfortable with and "stat familiar" (read: I know its win/loss limits and variances). That's what I do, I play to take advantage of what I know and what I'm familiar with. I'm playing this game a long time, I'd best be able to utilize that vast experience.
Anyhow, stay well, my friend. And, again, please take no offense with my advice; it's free for you to either use or discard. Your play + your money = your choice. Continued success is all I hope for you.
Quote: gr8playerSure thing, rob45.
Witness Thursday night Mohegan Sun:
I'm not going into a long trip report right now, for I haven't the time, but as it pertains to what I've just posted:
The second shoe did not have a run over three (all runs, if the hit the 3-hole, died right there) the entire shoe UNTIL the last hand of the shoe, when the 4th Player hit.
How did I do? What do you think I did? I played a couple of trends that were "off and on", but my main play for that shoe was my " half parlay" bets on the opposite side after any run hit the 3-hole. Beautiful.
I've said it a hundred times: Find the "sweet spot" in each and every shoe (or portion thereof) that you can, and hit it for all it's worth. While it's rare to last as long as this one did, the longer they go on, the better. My job is to find that spot and take full advantage of it.
I won 7 units (6 1/2 after comm & tip)
That's just one shoe. Any Baccarat player can tell a similar story.
Every Baccarat player eventually gets lucky betting a pattern or trend to some degree.
Anyone betting a trend or a pattern will ultimately bet right 50.7% of the time when betting Banker and 49.3% of the time when betting Player.
Of all the shoes you played that night, you only chose this one to discuss.
Quote: TankoOf all the shoes you played that night, you only chose this one to discuss.
Hello, Tanko.
I planned no trip report today, for I've limited computer access. Rather, I brought it up because it just happened to serve to illustrate my point for Varmenti; that I'd prefer to see the shoe (or portion thereof) "prove itself prone" to those longer-than-average streaks before I'd simply take a leap of faith and bet for them blindly.
Shemp and Curly discuss the opera. You know they're
watching the same thing you are, but it sounds like
they're at the dog circus..
Varamenti has put himself out there, exposing his mode of play for all to read. That takes balls, especially in this forum.
Moreover, he posted it in the "Betting Systems" section of the forum. Isn't that what that section is there for, to discuss various modes of play?
I'd much prefer you to have some respect for that, as opposed to attacking the contributing member(s).
Bless 'em both, EvenBob and Beethoven9th.....where do they get the free time to "tag" every other post in this forum?
Quote: gr8player...with his infinite wisdom.
Thank you, teacher. That really means a lot coming from the world's foremost expert in everything baccarat!
Quote: gr8playerMoreover, he posted it in the "Betting Systems" section of the forum. Isn't that what that section is there for, to discuss various modes of play?
I'd much prefer you to have some respect for that, as opposed to attacking the contributing member(s).
I agree with the sentiment, but I think it's fair to challenge the systems advocates when factual misrepresentations are suspected.
The apparent tendency I've noticed is that gamblers spend decades trying different systems, then inevitably they get lucky with one of them, and immediately conclude that they've invented bread.
Which is ok, except when they come here and claim they've been consistently profitable their entire adult lives. That's the part that especially raises my eyebrow (only my left one, not sure why). Extraordinary claims require extraordinary ... something.
Quote: gr8playerUncalled for, EvenBob. Absolutely uncalled for,
I'd much prefer you to have some respect.
All right, I'm sorry that I dissed a dog circus. It was uncalled
for. But you guys are a riot, not unlike the dogs who bounce
the balls back and forth on their noses to each other. You
and Gr8vermanti use a lot of words and say nothing at all.
That's an art, takes years of practice.
Quote: EvenBobO
All right, I'm sorry that I dissed a dog circus. It was uncalled
for. But you guys are a riot, not unlike the dogs who bounce
the balls back and forth on their noses to each other. You
and Gr8vermanti use a lot of words and say nothing at all.
That's an art, takes years of practice.
This is the problem on here. TOO MUCH WORDS and not enough action.
I make money everyday at the Casino. (Yes I say that in Total confidence because the CASH don't LIE)
I "Show me the Money"
I believe I have a very good Method.
I don't come on here begging or asking for anything.
I simply wanted to share something good.
I never intend to charge anything for anything.
Thanks to the Casino and the Game of Baccarat, I have a Brand new 2013 Honda Civic just purchased paying Cash just last month.
My wife treated herself to a nice 1 1/4 Carat Diamond Ring shortly after leaving the casino with her $1000.00 victory.
I treated myself to just under $5000.00 in Rings Courtesy of Casino Baccarat run just under a week ago.
Our $1000.00 bankroll has Trippled itself for the sake of if ever we do hit a "Bad Day" at the Casino.
so far to me, this method I use Works in a very consistent way. Yes I intend to lose, When, I don't know.
But bottom line is, I make money Playing Baccarat as a Part time Job, and I just want to share my success.
If I knew the Casino was limited to Funds or There could be some risk, I would not share.
Attention: Do keep in mind my method is strictly for Baccarat only.
I've studied many other games and trust me. Don't waste your time.
CRAPS, Roulette, Sic Bo, Blackjack. Forget it. I've spent hundreds of hours trying to develop Methods and the bottom line is "You can not Beat them. IMPOSSIBLE, But Baccarat having those ever long runs day after day. Yes mathematically you can not beat them, but in reality you Can and will.
One Needs all the elements to make it happen. I have all the elements and that's why It works for me.
There is plenty of Casino's and Lots of Money to go around, so for those who are interested in utilizing my methods, Enjoy!!!
Please feel free to ask many questions or if you have your own method and want help to test or modify it to perfection, I'm right here.
Message to the two students on here I'll call them E & B, If you have nothing professional to share, simply sit back and enjoy the complimentary education. You just may get it someday.
You'll probably get the same results. lol!
Sincerely,
gr8beethoven
Quote: gpac1377The apparent tendency I've noticed is that gamblers spend decades trying different systems, then inevitably they get lucky with one of them, and immediately conclude that they've invented bread.
Hello, gpac1377.
Lucky? I've been playing my same method (albeit "tweaked" along the way...I strive for perfection) for many years now. I mightn't "invented bread", but I remain "one tough out" for any casino. Win, lose, or draw...I'm grinding consistently. Chugging along, dealing with whatever that shoe/table/casino can ever throw at me.
It's not easy. To this day, I can't even be absolutely certain that it's all doable. But each and every session, I sit down to play and I play the cards, as I read them, the exact same way. All I need do is make some "bet-sizing" adjustments every now and again.
And it appears to work. A mathematical edge? I can only defer to those that are much brighter than myself for that determination.
But I am grinding out rather consistent profits. Not a boat-load of money by no means, but satisfying nonetheless. I feel that if I am going to play this game, especially with what all of that entails inside of my personal and professional life, I need to succeed at it.
Quote: gr8playerLucky? I've been playing my same method (albeit "tweaked" along the way...I strive for perfection) for many years now.
And it appears to work.
If systems or theories can only be tested in actual casino conditions, then your methodology seems reasonable, I suppose.
I apologize if I've strayed off-topic, so allow me to recap the thread. The OP recommends betting both sides in baccarat.
