Baccarat Partner Betting
Quote: ontariodealerI work in the room where he says he plays, i deal craps. Now that he has shown his face I'll check him out if he agrees on here for me to do it. I'm not doing anything without his permission as it could cost me my job.
This is where you look up his player history and post under a new handle like "gr8ontariodealer" and post whether he's a lifetime baccarat winner or not, lol. j/k :)
I don't think you have a winning baccarat system, but I defiantly respect the fact your not just talking about it, your out playing it.
However, I would like to see the cat on top of a minimum of 10k, as good as you say your system is that should be walking around money.
Quote: AxelWolfI respect the fact you posted some pics and I apologize for busting your balls. I take back the basement comment.
I don't think you have a winning baccarat system, but I defiantly respect the fact your not just talking about it, your out playing it.
However, I would like to see the cat on top of a minimum of 10k, as good as you say your system is that should be walking around money.
I don't see how posting pics of any amount proves a winning system.
Obviously it doesn't..... however if you did have a winning system you would have the cash to back it up. IMO That would be the first step if you cant use math to back it up, show me the money.Quote: EdgeLookerI don't see how posting pics of any amount proves a winning system.
Quote: AxelWolfI respect the fact you posted some pics and I apologize for busting your balls. I take back the basement comment.
I don't think you have a winning baccarat system, but I defiantly respect the fact your not just talking about it, your out playing it.
Ditto, except I don't apologize for busting your balls about your Baccarat system. You're still pretty cool in my book, though.
The thing is, I don't want people thinking they can learn, "Trending," or, "Bet Selection," or anything like that and expect to retire from Baccarat, because you just can't expect that. It's really that simple. I don't know how many hands you have played since 1996, but flat-betting, it is easily demonstrable that you can get into where you have played 100,000 hands, and still be ahead.
If I played 100,000 hands and was still ahead, then I can understand why I might think that my system works. I'm ahead for life at Video Keno, but that's just the result of extremely positive Variance. I'm also a huge percentage ahead at picking the ponies, but I've only bet one race in my life.
But, yeah, I could see where a winner with a formula thinks he has a winning formula, and if I hadn't suspected you of being Gr8Player, I would have provided more meaningful and detailed responses to your posts.
You still would have been banned for Personal Insult.
Anyway, I apologize for not addressing your posts in a more detailed fashion and will do so when I respond to them in the future. You and your wife are also a lovely couple. Canadian money looks funny, like play money, and unless $100's are worth much more than American money, your picture is not of very much money, but I don't really care about that, anyway.
Quote: EdgeLookerThis is where you look up his player history and post under a new handle like "gr8ontariodealer" and post whether he's a lifetime baccarat winner or not, lol. j/k :)
no you are either wrong or stupid, let us know which it is.
Quote: ontariodealerno you are either wrong or stupid, let us know which it is.
Why the hostility? His post wasn't an insult or anything. OTOH, you're flirting with a suspension by calling/implying that another member is 'stupid'.
Quote: ontariodealerno you are either wrong or stupid, let us know which it is.
I apologize since you took my post seriously. j/k stands for just kidding .
Quote: varmentithe best shoes to play are the very first ones because they hand shuffle a brand new totally random 8deck pack. way to easy to get runs of 6-10 or more consistently.
>the best shoes to play are the very first ones....
This is obviously subject to observer's bias, but it might well be a valid observation. Players are alert at the beginning of their gambling and tend to remember the results more clearly.
> because they hand shuffle a brand new totally random 8deck pack.
Well any shuffling is intended to present a random assortment. I don't know if a hand shuffle of a new eight pack is better or worse than a machine shuffle of a previously played sequence of cards.
> way to easy to get runs of 6-10 or more consistently.
Runs? Heck ... those are easy to get. I can get runs of Player very easily. All I have to do is sit there and bet on Banker.
Quote: ontariodealerI work in the room where he says he plays, i deal craps. Now that he has shown his face I'll check him out if he agrees on here for me to do it. I'm not doing anything without his permission as it could cost me my job.
Ontariodealer, for what it's worth, don't risk your job over to please anyone for no purpose. there is nothing to prove. you probably know me already from the craps tables, I'm the one that tells the dealers to Parlay my 6.00 eight till reaches 102.00. Don't risk your job for no one. and if you working in the room where I play, chances are you should already know me by name.
I can not authorize anything just to please a few members on here.
when I find Top 5 wizards of the forum and setup a team for high rollers, then its a different story. You as a dealer in the Casino should know not to discuss anything in the Casino as well other than say hello.
Quote: FleaStiff>the best shoes to play are the very first ones....
This is obviously subject to observer's bias, but it might well be a valid observation. Players are alert at the beginning of their gambling and tend to remember the results more clearly.
> because they hand shuffle a brand new totally random 8deck pack.
Well any shuffling is intended to present a random assortment. I don't know if a hand shuffle of a new eight pack is better or worse than a machine shuffle of a previously played sequence of cards.
> way to easy to get runs of 6-10 or more consistently.
Runs? Heck ... those are easy to get. I can get runs of Player very easily. All I have to do is sit there and bet on Banker.
I just don't like them automatic 16 Deck 10,000.00 shufflers even though every shoe is totally random. Preference I guess.
FleaStiff, if you get runs like that in the opposite side, then you're missing the Boat. bet both sides and miss nothing.
Quote: AxelWolfI respect the fact you posted some pics and I apologize for busting your balls. I take back the basement comment.
I don't think you have a winning baccarat system, but I defiantly respect the fact your not just talking about it, your out playing it.
However, I would like to see the cat on top of a minimum of 10k, as good as you say your system is that should be walking around money.
as much as many like to see money, the most I ever keep in my home is a few extra hundreds from the day before, I put everything in my bank, I don't need to advertise such a thing to attract criminals.
Make that a rule and write this down. DON'T advertise or post large winnings in public forums. you may be attracting the wrong kind of people.
Quote: Mission146Ditto, except I don't apologize for busting your balls about your Baccarat system. You're still pretty cool in my book, though.
The thing is, I don't want people thinking they can learn, "Trending," or, "Bet Selection," or anything like that and expect to retire from Baccarat, because you just can't expect that. It's really that simple. I don't know how many hands you have played since 1996, but flat-betting, it is easily demonstrable that you can get into where you have played 100,000 hands, and still be ahead.
If I played 100,000 hands and was still ahead, then I can understand why I might think that my system works. I'm ahead for life at Video Keno, but that's just the result of extremely positive Variance. I'm also a huge percentage ahead at picking the ponies, but I've only bet one race in my life.
But, yeah, I could see where a winner with a formula thinks he has a winning formula, and if I hadn't suspected you of being Gr8Player, I would have provided more meaningful and detailed responses to your posts.
You still would have been banned for Personal Insult.
Anyway, I apologize for not addressing your posts in a more detailed fashion and will do so when I respond to them in the future. You and your wife are also a lovely couple. Canadian money looks funny, like play money, and unless $100's are worth much more than American money, your picture is not of very much money, but I don't really care about that, anyway.
Thank you for those kind words, Very true, it's not about the money, Casinos are open 24hrs a day, if I wanted more money i'm sure I would not be chatting on here and be there playing more.. I'm pretty comfortable making a couple hundred per session and cashing out small amounts.
Casino's can be your Personal ATM if you don't let Greed take over. but anything is possible.
maybe 5-6 professionals who enjoy the game of baccarat.
Setup a 6 month contract to gamble as a solid team.
Each player can start with a $1000.00 Bankroll.
Sharing luxurious accommodations at the Casino resorts for the full 6 month term.
Breakfast, lunch, dinner all paid for via Comps everyday for the 6 month term.
$100 per day Cash given to each player every day for the full 6 months to be used for leisure outside of the Casino.
commit to playing a full 8hrs at the Baccarat Tables.
Learn to follow the same betting rules as to compliment each other at the tables.
Each player can cover two tables (imagine playing every table in the Baccarat room) and never miss a single bet for 8 full hrs.
No cheating, everything is legit and played by the books.
I know its just a dream but it could be do-able. Assuming the team has a Working Betting method.
Let's try some math here:
20 minutes per partial shoe = 3 shoes per hour x 2 tables per player (6 Players)= 36 shoes per hour x 8hrs per day = 288 shoes per day x $200.00 per shoe = $57,600.00 per Day - 75% of losing shoes ($43,200per day) = $14,400.00 per day x 6 months (180 days) = $2,592,000.00 Divided by 6 players = $432,000 per player for the six month term.
It does sound good on paper?
any thoughts?
Quote: Beethoven9thYou're afraid of getting in trouble for pulling back a bet??
Not afraid. Just curious if they care. I'm sure they don't like not having a piece of the action.
Quote: wudgedNot afraid. Just curious if they care. I'm sure they don't like not having a piece of the action.
They don't care. Although players technically aren't supposed to be doing that, casinos couldn't care less. OTOH, if you're going around telling other players (who you don't know) that you'll book their bets, then that's a different story.
All that means is the slide a stack of chips from Red to Black or whatever. At least in a craps game the dealer can't pay off in dirty chips by taking someone' s losing bet and using their stack to pay your winning bet.Quote: varmentibet both sides and miss nothing.
Quote: varmentiMy cat is better than pics of money.
Your family is beautiful, no question, and I'm not sure how they would respond to a newcomer, but have you considered adopting a rodent?
You could name the new animal ... Bacca :)
Quote: gpac1377Your family is beautiful, no question, and I'm not sure how they would respond to a newcomer, but have you considered adopting a rodent?
You could name the new animal ... Bacca :)
No rodents for me but checkout my new rings I just Bought
Quote: varmenti8:30am here, Off to the Casino for breakfast and then a Few Baccarat Sessions. Bye for now.
What a Crappy day at Fallsview Casino this morning. 12:24pm now.
Got there at 8:45 got a breakfast comp, had my morning Tim Hortons coffee (Extra Large 2x4 in double cup) walk over to baccarat room only to see 4 tables still played from last nights Cards. Took walk to Craps tables at the other end of the Casino and they are both clossed at 9am, pit boss says "shortage of dealers, open at 10 for craps. no probs, walk back to baccarat pit, superviser tells me 10am for new tables, no probs, took comp went to breakfast, was all good. get back to bac pit 9:45 still no new table, wait till 10 and still no new tables, asked another supervisor, finally decided to just go home.
Gonna try back at 3pm est. when the other tables open up.
on a good note, on the way out to Casino was very close to getting a nice ride home
Quote: varmentiNo rodents for me but checkout my new rings I just Bought
You rock, man.
Quote: EdgeLookerI apologize since you took my post seriously. j/k stands for just kidding .
no I apologize to you, I mis interpreted it. But varmenti is correct.....I should not comment on this thread any longer due to my job.
Quote: DoubleOrNothingYou rock, man.
Yea I was so upset at the late start of the baccarat shoes this morning, I decided to just go shopping instead.
Write this down as a good rule in gambling.
If you're not 100% at Par and something makes you feel upset, Leave the Casino and come back when your back to 100%
Quote: ontariodealerno I apologize to you, I mis interpreted it. But varmenti is correct.....I should not comment on this thread any longer due to my job.
It's ok to comment in any forum, will never jeopardize your job, it's when you involve yourself in an uncomfortable way is what does it.
having access to personal records can lead to possibly advertising locations and addresses of people and could trace back if something out of the ordinary occurred. you are a good person ontariodealer, and someday we may meetup at another casino for lunch and chat.
I may already know you, even though you may not recognize me, when you mentioned you're at the Craps and Baccarat, I remember all of the dealers and pit bosses from the old Casino Niagara, Trust me I will never mention any names.
No need to apologize
Quote: varmentiBaccarat Partner Betting
Here it is Guys 'n Gals
The perfect betting progression for Partners in Baccarat or just a single player betting both sides.
Player A always Bets Banker / Player B Always Bets Player.
Any time you lose start back at 0 Position.
Simple goal is to bank a $200.00 profit at each table and move to new shoe or End after a streak of 6 or more.
REMEMBER: Casinos are open 24 hrs/day so don't try to break the bank all in one day. Simply start with a $1000.00 Bank roll and stop when you reach a realistic goal of $1000-2000 /day.Have fun!!!!!
Just thought I'd repost this initial post to remind everyone this thread is about a surefire system of making money at Baccarat by betting simultaneously on both Banker and Player, but stopping after a streak of six or more (though no one knows how you get to the "or more" if you stop at the six).
Quote: FleaStiffJust thought I'd repost this initial post to remind everyone this thread is about a surefire system of making money
Just when we thought we'd forgotten it. Thanks a lot.
I was hoping that if anyone accepted the invitation to Fallsview Casino they could report on how betting on BOTH Player and Banker simultaneously had resulted in this surefire profit. I'm still confused as to how one ever makes any money by a hedge of betting on both Player and Banker.Quote: EvenBobJust when we thought we'd forgotten it. Thanks a lot.
Quote: FleaStiffI was hoping that if anyone accepted the invitation to Fallsview Casino they could report on how betting on BOTH Player and Banker simultaneously had resulted in this surefire profit. I'm still confused as to how one ever makes any money by a hedge of betting on both Player and Banker.
You don't. In roulette it's every newbies first disovery, betting red
and black at the same time. Next they discover the Marty.
Quote: FleaStiffI was hoping that if anyone accepted the invitation to Fallsview Casino they could report on how betting on BOTH Player and Banker simultaneously had resulted in this surefire profit. I'm still confused as to how one ever makes any money by a hedge of betting on both Player and Banker.
I think the "trick" is that this person is pressing the one that's winning, but I'm not sure.
Quote: AxelWolfHey give the guy some credit for asking people to come watch him play.
It doesn't mean anything. Come watch me play at Four Winds tomorrow.
Oops, you must have missed me, sorry. You see this all the time on
gambling forums, pics of money, pics of suites, to prove their point. It
proves they can upload pics, that's all.
You may just get your chance since gr8varmenti mentioned in another thread that he'll be in Vegas in a month or so.Quote: AxelWolfHey give the guy some credit for asking people to come watch him play...I would love to go watch and report, unfortunately I live in Vegas.
Ah, then you can watch the legendary gr8player, too. I believe he plays in AC.Quote: AxelWolfI wish someone in Vegas had some system I could watch and report on. Or possibly in AC I'll be their on the 5th.
Sincerely,
gr8beethoven
I would be willing to do so. I don't think MOST people have the balls to show their system, If any of them really even play. Most of them highly exaggerate everything.Quote: Beethoven9thYou may just get your chance since gr8varmenti mentioned in another thread that he'll be in Vegas in a month or so.
Ah, then you can watch the legendary gr8player, too. I believe he plays in AC.
Sincerely,
gr8beethoven
But My offer stands especially in Vegas. If you have a System you have been going on about, amusing your thread has picked up some momentum. I will politely, open mindedly as I can get, Come and watch you play. Assuming your not going to make 2 bets and call it a night.
I wont steal or tell anyone about your system or post anything you ask me not to. I will only report if you won or lost and how much, how long you played for and bets made and for how much. I would even make a side wager If they win... Comped dinner is on me, if not then dinner is on you.
I think Ahigh will vouch for me, as far as that I am not out to get anyone, make fun contradict or conduct myself in a undesirable manner. I know a few other members that will vouch for me as well.
Quote: AxelWolfI would be willing to do so I don't think MOST people have the balls to show their system, If any of them really even play. Most of them highly exaggerate. But My offer stands especially in Vegas. I wont steal or tell anyone about your system or post anything you ask me not to. I will only report if you won or lost and how much, how long you played or bets made and for how much. I would even make a side wager If they win... Comped dinner is on me, if not then dinner is on you.
gr8player & varmenti are the ones with the system, not me. I think they're full of (bleep). :)
Your missing the point ....I think he is being forthcoming. And If someone dose not show, then people all know why.Quote: EvenBobIt doesn't mean anything. Come watch me play at Four Winds tomorrow.
Oops, you must have missed me, sorry. You see this all the time on
gambling forums, pics of money, pics of suites, to prove their point. It
proves they can upload pics, that's all.
Going to a casino is no skin off my teeth I go to casinos practically everyday unless im lazy. Even if someone was a no show I will find some value in scouting the casino.Hell! along the way, I may run into your friend Ahigh with stacks of chips playing craps, or kissing a guy.
Watching a controversial person play his system would be somewhat entertaining. If he shows up and wins, I get to watch him shove it in your face, if he loses he has to face the music.
Quote: AxelWolfI would be willing to do so. I don't think MOST people have the balls to show their system, If any of them really even play. Most of them highly exaggerate everything.
But My offer stands especially in Vegas. If you have a System you have been going on about, amusing your thread has picked up some momentum. I will politely, open mindedly as I can get, Come and watch you play. Assuming your not going to make 2 bets and call it a night.
I wont steal or tell anyone about your system or post anything you ask me not to. I will only report if you won or lost and how much, how long you played for and bets made and for how much. I would even make a side wager If they win... Comped dinner is on me, if not then dinner is on you.
I think Ahigh will vouch for me, as far as that I am not out to get anyone, make fun contradict or conduct myself in a undesirable manner. I know a few other members that will vouch for me as well.
AxelWolf, you can not steal what I'm giving away for free. sorry I haven't updated this thread, been busy week doing regular household chores.
I do not recommend anyone just jumping in to any Live game with having a betting method. It's becoming a task getting people to believe what I write on here, Best to Take notes and play the program at home. Make sure you are 100% Ready before attempting any live game.
I love the fact that their are quite a few Members on here that are interested in the Game of Baccarat, I wish I could make Video of the action many times. because it's so hard to get people to understand the reasoning behind Losing 75% of the shoes and still come out even or little profit with many free chances to make 500-1000 per shoe, Over and over again. This method doesn't seam to give up.
It sucks that we went for our complimentary Lunch buffet and shortly after going back to the baccarat pit, we notice that our table hit a run of 10 bankers leaving us short of winning an easy $700.00 but on a good note, Congrats to my wife for hitting run of 8 Players in 11 hands locking in $500.00 on that last shoe of the night.
7am here so will post more pics soon.
Please feel free to ask any questions about Baccarat methods and the techniques I use.
Quote: Beethoven9thgr8player & varmenti are the ones with the system, not me. I think they're full of (bleep). :)
Beethoven9th, people are crazy out in this Gambling world, offering me hundreds for my method, along with other peoples methods.
I don't see any point to sell something for money in which I make quite a bit from on my own using it live in the casinos. I know what its like to win and lose and lose more and more to the point I can't catch up. this was my Craps, Roulette experience.
If I make money and it works, I want to share with many people, because we are on this side of the table and the casino on the other side has lots of too much.
But please keep in mind there are a few factors involved all mentioned in this thread and my other one.
Take notes and summarize. maybe someday it all makes sense.
Quote: 24BingoI think the "trick" is that this person is pressing the one that's winning, but I'm not sure.
close but there is more. after the press, next win covers another press + a free bet for the partner. every time a win occurs.
Risk is very low, win rate very high because your continuously risking just casino profits 90% of the time.
Runs determines how much you will make at the table.
Quote: SOOPOOThanks for the invite! I am busy with other things right now and can't make the time to get up to Canada, but I should be able to make it up sometime after mid October. I totally 'understand' baccarat. To me it boils down to watching someone flip a slightly off-centered coin, with heads (banker) coming up slightly more often than tails (player). I know that any bet on player loses more than half the time but you only get even money on your bet. Thus betting on player can NEVER be a good bet. I know that betting on banker wins slightly more than half the time, but the casino only pays you 95 cents for your dollar bet. Thus betting on banker can NEVER be a good bet. So neither a bet on banker nor player can ever be a good bet. That all being said, I am fascinated by players who somehow believe they can consistantly and reliably overcome those facts. I hope to be able to meet you and your wife at one of the Canadian casinos as soon as our schedules mesh.
I thought someone on here may have come out for a visit around 2pm today. the person just looked directly at us watching us bet but never said a word.
It's OK to come by and say hello, the only thing I ask is please do not ask questions during a live session. never talk about systems, gambling methods inside the casino where you are playing.
Quote: FleaStiffJust thought I'd repost this initial post to remind everyone this thread is about a surefire system of making money at Baccarat by betting simultaneously on both Banker and Player, but stopping after a streak of six or more (though no one knows how you get to the "or more" if you stop at the six).
Let's take a moment to explain this part in more detail.
1) your goal is to make $200 per shoe within the first 20 hands.
2) if you hit $200 goal and you are not in an ongoing streak of 4 or more, Cash out.
3) if you are at a run of 6, your bet will be (150 on the runner and 25 on the partner) don't surrender the opportunity to get higher runs after 6. Ride that streak till the cows come home.
4)whatever comes first "Meets your goal" (a streak of 8 gives you $500 profit)
5) End your session after the run is over.
Quote: FleaStiffI was hoping that if anyone accepted the invitation to Fallsview Casino they could report on how betting on BOTH Player and Banker simultaneously had resulted in this surefire profit. I'm still confused as to how one ever makes any money by a hedge of betting on both Player and Banker.
simply put the odds, probabilities, house edge aside.
think of the craps dice and each Odds.
I see Shooters roll 4 (3 times in a row before 6, 7, or 8. sometimes the easiest numbers to roll never seam to come out, and you are left kicking yourself for not betting the 4.
Baccarat is a simple 50 / 50 shot. Think of getting dealt a hand of Black jack where you are dealt an 18 against a dealers Ace showing. Take the safe way and buy insurance. baccarat partner betting is like insuring your bets and also buying into the streak from the very start. Great Idea especially when the runner pays for your partner bet after every win and let's Casino money ride 90% of the time.
This is too easy for anyone to do but so damn hard to explain.
Quote: EvenBobYou don't. In roulette it's every newbies first disovery, betting red
and black at the same time. Next they discover the Marty.
Bad Idea to roulette red / black. remember the "0""00" will wipe out both bets and the average streak in roulette is 5.
Marty = Bad 100% Bad bad bad.
Baccarat has nothing to risk losing both bets. IT's THE Best Game to play.
any other Game of Chance will wipe you out faster than you can imagine.
Quote: varmentiIf I make money and it works, I want to share with many people, because we are on this side of the table and the casino on the other side has lots of too much.
Well you may get your chance because a member who lives in Vegas (and who also posted in this thread) would like to see you in action. Be sure to post when/where you'll be playing in Vegas.
Quote: AxelWolfYour missing the point ....I think he is being forthcoming. .
About hedging player and banker? This doesn't win,
it's not possible. You want to watch somebody do
this, it's your time to waste. And his money.
Quote: varmenti
Baccarat has nothing to risk losing both bets. IT's THE Best Game to play.
LOL. Sure it is..
"Any time you have two bets going that work against each other, one of them almost has to be a bad percentage bet." http://renzey.casinocitytimes.com/article/hedge-bets-are-almost-always-a-bad-strategy-1035
Dang that math, it always gets in the way of a good bet.
Quote: EvenBobAbout hedging player and banker? This doesn't win,
it's not possible. You want to watch somebody do
this, it's your time to waste. And his money.
LOL. Sure it is..
"Any time you have two bets going that work against each other, one of them almost has to be a bad percentage bet." http://renzey.casinocitytimes.com/article/hedge-bets-are-almost-always-a-bad-strategy-1035
Dang that math, it always gets in the way of a good bet.
Your right EvanBob, you can't win money at Baccarat betting both sides. I'm writing this just shortly after counting my morning winnings in the car on the way home from Casino.
