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TheWolf713
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April 11th, 2013 at 7:13:21 PM permalink
From the time I stepped foot at the table, the biggest thing I would always hear was "Press...Press... Press!!!"

But the question i wanted to ask was:

Do you feel it is better to just bet hard and heavy on the first Few rolls, and take them down, or Start small with a continuous press???
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Mission146
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April 11th, 2013 at 7:15:06 PM permalink
How much are you trying to win and what is your bankroll/buy-in?
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MrPapagiorgio
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April 11th, 2013 at 7:19:16 PM permalink
It's probably about a personal comfort level more than anything. Some people are more comfortable making larger bets with "won money" as opposed to money taken from their wallets. If the money that was just won has less personal value to you, for some reason, ans is easier to risk, then pressing is better for you. If money is money, and it doesn't matter if it's from your pocket or from the table, then go on ahead with the big bets from the get go. I guess it's the psychology of "I'm only risking money I didn't have before I arrived at the table, so if I lose it, it won't hurt as much".
So I says to him, I said "Get your own monkey!"
TheWolf713
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April 11th, 2013 at 7:43:27 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

How much are you trying to win and what is your bankroll/buy-in?





I buy-in with 2K... its not much, but it generally gets the job done for me.

And If i make 50-80% of that, I'll leave with it...
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Mission146
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April 12th, 2013 at 3:25:26 AM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

I buy-in with 2K... its not much, but it generally gets the job done for me.

And If i make 50-80% of that, I'll leave with it...



I generally agree with MrPapaGiorgio, in that event. Although, PL or DP with Full Odds is going to be your better bet. If you wish to win 50% of your starting amount, and you're not worried about the possibility of an early exit, then the best way to bet is going to depend on the odds offered, but Bold Play would be the way to go.

For example, if your casino offers 2x Odds, and your win goal is $1,000, then you might want to go with a $300 PL bet (because you would want $600 Odds in case of a six or eight) and then if you win you are +$1,020. (51% of buy-in profit) If you go with the $300 PL Bet and roll a 5/9, put out $600 Odds and win, then you are +$1,200 of your buy-in. (60% of buy-in profit) Finally, if you roll a 4/10, go $600 odds and win, then you are +$1500 (75% of buy-in profit).

If that fails, then you would bet again with $365 and be prepared to do $730 Odds, if you were able to win that bet, then you would bet the least on PL + Odds that would put you at your overall minimum win goal (+$1,000) on a 6/8 Point and continue to do that.

Alternatively, if you have a House that only charges Commission on a win with a Buy Bet, then you could Buy the 4&10 for $500 each to win $1,000 (Yeah, technically, $975) and then take it down after a hit. You'd have a 50% chance of winning. You could also take $900 of what is left, Place either the 6 or 8, and still take everything down after a hit which would be +$1,050. Actually, if you want to do that, go ahead and go $550 on the Buy 4 and Buy 10 which would be $27.50 Commission on a win, so +$1072.50 on a win. You would now have a 11/36 chance of winning (per roll) v. a 6/36 chance of losing, so .30555556 v. .1666666 or .3055556/.1666666 = 1.833:1 favorite to win.

Of course, one loss and you're basically done, so if time at table is your biggest consideration, that's probably not the way to do it.
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FleaStiff
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April 12th, 2013 at 3:57:46 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

one loss and you're basically done, so if time at table is your biggest consideration, that's probably not the way to do it.

Time at Table is not the biggest consideration but it is a major one yet still I think the Bet Big is the way to go.
Fatigue and loss of concentration will set in.
CWs will show at the "wrong" time.
We all dread the early Seven Out, but if those first few bets were big and won, its a whole different kind of air that you breathe.
DJTeddyBear
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April 12th, 2013 at 6:31:22 AM permalink
Frankly, I don't know what the difference is between the two poll choices.
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rudeboyoi
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April 12th, 2013 at 6:36:18 AM permalink
i interpret it as something like flatbetting 3 units from the start or start betting 1 unit and press a unit after each hit.
DJTeddyBear
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April 12th, 2013 at 8:08:25 AM permalink
That makes sense, but the answer really depend upon the goals and how lucky you feel.

Depending on my mood, I'll go either way. But there are times when I'll use a third method:

Bet VERY large, say 6 units on EVERY number, then take it down to one unit one each after the first hit, and then press for each successive hit. As long as the shooters hit at least one number, you're making a profit. Unfortunately, a two roll shooter will kill you.
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April 12th, 2013 at 9:13:16 AM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

I buy-in with 2K... its not much, but it generally gets the job done for me.

And If i make 50-80% of that, I'll leave with it...



if u want to maximize time at the table, flat bet.
if you want to maximize variance, bet BIG on smallest house edge. (win big, or go broke.) Like What Mission146 suggested.

a little inbetween:
press whatever the profit is.

ie: Place the 6 for 36. Win 42.
profit= 6. press to 42.
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