System for Wizards 1 billion iteration chalenge

I came up with this system it might blow apart with the challenge but it seems to be working ok. I am going to have Xtreme code it for 1 billion spins. Here is the data from 200 spins that I did by hand. The system will not work with even money so 1 use the 1st dozen as the bet. Although I have tried it with numbers like 0 through 3 on a single zero wheel. The following test data uses an American wheel. The system is simple you put one unit on any of the 2-1 payouts like the dozens or columns. You bet just that 12 or you can bet what I believe are called streets like 123. I like using 0123 on a single 0 wheel. When losing you add 1 chip when you win you go back to 1 chip if you start to lose you keep adding 1 chip every time until win then you go back to 1 chip. The following data can be pasted on to notepad saved and opened using MS Office or Sun Open Office. As you can see 82 dollars was made over 200 spins.

Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout

0,',,,,,,500,

1,'15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : 1st Dozen

2,'28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : 1st Dozen

3,'23,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,494,3 : 1st Dozen

4,'2,Bet,4,12,-4,8,502,4 : 1st Dozen

5,'8,Bet,1,3,-1,2,504,1 : 1st Dozen

6,'00,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : 1st Dozen

7,'21,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,501,2 : 1st Dozen

8,'3,Bet,3,9,-3,6,507,3 : 1st Dozen

9,'27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : 1st Dozen

10,'0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,504,2 : 1st Dozen

11,'4,Bet,3,9,-3,6,510,3 : 1st Dozen

12,'24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : 1st Dozen

13,'8,Bet,2,6,-2,4,513,2 : 1st Dozen

14,'15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : 1st Dozen

15,'9,Bet,2,6,-2,4,516,2 : 1st Dozen

16,'3,Bet,1,3,-1,2,518,1 : 1st Dozen

17,'2,Bet,1,3,-1,2,520,1 : 1st Dozen

18,'12,Bet,1,3,-1,2,522,1 : 1st Dozen

19,'35,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,521,1 : 1st Dozen

20,'13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,519,2 : 1st Dozen

21,'25,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,516,3 : 1st Dozen

22,'00,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,512,4 : 1st Dozen

23,'6,Bet,5,15,-5,10,522,5 : 1st Dozen

24,'16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,521,1 : 1st Dozen

25,'8,Bet,2,6,-2,4,525,2 : 1st Dozen

26,'19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,524,1 : 1st Dozen

27,'24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,522,2 : 1st Dozen

28,'9,Bet,3,9,-3,6,528,3 : 1st Dozen

29,'27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,527,1 : 1st Dozen

30,'30,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,525,2 : 1st Dozen

31,'00,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,522,3 : 1st Dozen

32,'28,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,518,4 : 1st Dozen

33,'33,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,513,5 : 1st Dozen

34,'16,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,507,6 : 1st Dozen

35,'33,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,500,7 : 1st Dozen

36,'0,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,492,8 : 1st Dozen

37,'22,Bet,9,0,-9,-9,483,9 : 1st Dozen

38,'29,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,473,10 : 1st Dozen

39,'7,Bet,11,33,-11,22,495,11 : 1st Dozen

40,'3,Bet,1,3,-1,2,497,1 : 1st Dozen

41,'35,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,496,1 : 1st Dozen

42,'00,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,494,2 : 1st Dozen

43,'14,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,491,3 : 1st Dozen

44,'0,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,487,4 : 1st Dozen

45,'12,Bet,5,15,-5,10,497,5 : 1st Dozen

46,'3,Bet,1,3,-1,2,499,1 : 1st Dozen

47,'9,Bet,1,3,-1,2,501,1 : 1st Dozen

48,'30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : 1st Dozen

49,'35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : 1st Dozen

50,'0,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,495,3 : 1st Dozen

51,'4,Bet,4,12,-4,8,503,4 : 1st Dozen

52,'21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : 1st Dozen

53,'23,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,2 : 1st Dozen

54,'21,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,497,3 : 1st Dozen

55,'0,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,493,4 : 1st Dozen

56,'20,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,488,5 : 1st Dozen

57,'36,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,482,6 : 1st Dozen

58,'35,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,475,7 : 1st Dozen

59,'5,Bet,8,24,-8,16,491,8 : 1st Dozen

60,'9,Bet,1,3,-1,2,493,1 : 1st Dozen

61,'5,Bet,1,3,-1,2,495,1 : 1st Dozen

62,'1,Bet,1,3,-1,2,497,1 : 1st Dozen

63,'19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,496,1 : 1st Dozen

64,'9,Bet,2,6,-2,4,500,2 : 1st Dozen

65,'29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : 1st Dozen

66,'3,Bet,2,6,-2,4,503,2 : 1st Dozen

67,'9,Bet,1,3,-1,2,505,1 : 1st Dozen

68,'0,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : 1st Dozen

69,'00,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,2 : 1st Dozen

70,'0,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,499,3 : 1st Dozen

71,'2,Bet,4,12,-4,8,507,4 : 1st Dozen

72,'12,Bet,1,3,-1,2,509,1 : 1st Dozen

73,'9,Bet,1,3,-1,2,511,1 : 1st Dozen

74,'23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : 1st Dozen

75,'17,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,2 : 1st Dozen

76,'24,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,505,3 : 1st Dozen

77,'24,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,501,4 : 1st Dozen

78,'00,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,496,5 : 1st Dozen

79,'23,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,490,6 : 1st Dozen

80,'26,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,483,7 : 1st Dozen

81,'3,Bet,8,24,-8,16,499,8 : 1st Dozen

82,'18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,498,1 : 1st Dozen

83,'9,Bet,2,6,-2,4,502,2 : 1st Dozen

84,'13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : 1st Dozen

85,'3,Bet,2,6,-2,4,505,2 : 1st Dozen

86,'21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504,1 : 1st Dozen

87,'15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,2 : 1st Dozen

88,'5,Bet,3,9,-3,6,508,3 : 1st Dozen

89,'3,Bet,1,3,-1,2,510,1 : 1st Dozen

90,'32,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : 1st Dozen

91,'27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,507,2 : 1st Dozen

92,'2,Bet,3,9,-3,6,513,3 : 1st Dozen

93,'11,Bet,1,3,-1,2,515,1 : 1st Dozen

94,'19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,514,1 : 1st Dozen

95,'00,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,2 : 1st Dozen

96,'14,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,509,3 : 1st Dozen

97,'13,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,505,4 : 1st Dozen

98,'2,Bet,5,15,-5,10,515,5 : 1st Dozen

99,'17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,514,1 : 1st Dozen

100,'00,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,2 : 1st Dozen

101,'3,Bet,3,9,-3,6,518,3 : 1st Dozen

102,'5,Bet,1,3,-1,2,520,1 : 1st Dozen

103,'23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,519,1 : 1st Dozen

104,'25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,517,2 : 1st Dozen

105,'2,Bet,3,9,-3,6,523,3 : 1st Dozen

106,'7,Bet,1,3,-1,2,525,1 : 1st Dozen

107,'11,Bet,1,3,-1,2,527,1 : 1st Dozen

108,'17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,526,1 : 1st Dozen

109,'9,Bet,2,6,-2,4,530,2 : 1st Dozen

110,'24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,529,1 : 1st Dozen

111,'28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,527,2 : 1st Dozen

112,'0,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,524,3 : 1st Dozen

113,'21,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,520,4 : 1st Dozen

114,'6,Bet,5,15,-5,10,530,5 : 1st Dozen

115,'31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,529,1 : 1st Dozen

116,'12,Bet,2,6,-2,4,533,2 : 1st Dozen

117,'31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,532,1 : 1st Dozen

118,'12,Bet,2,6,-2,4,536,2 : 1st Dozen

119,'2,Bet,1,3,-1,2,538,1 : 1st Dozen

120,'23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,537,1 : 1st Dozen

121,'20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,535,2 : 1st Dozen

122,'15,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,532,3 : 1st Dozen

123,'29,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,528,4 : 1st Dozen

124,'35,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,523,5 : 1st Dozen

125,'3,Bet,6,18,-6,12,535,6 : 1st Dozen

126,'13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,534,1 : 1st Dozen

127,'30,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,532,2 : 1st Dozen

128,'25,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,529,3 : 1st Dozen

129,'32,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,525,4 : 1st Dozen

130,'4,Bet,5,15,-5,10,535,5 : 1st Dozen

131,'5,Bet,1,3,-1,2,537,1 : 1st Dozen

132,'29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,536,1 : 1st Dozen

133,'12,Bet,2,6,-2,4,540,2 : 1st Dozen

134,'35,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,539,1 : 1st Dozen

135,'3,Bet,2,6,-2,4,543,2 : 1st Dozen

136,'21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,542,1 : 1st Dozen

137,'15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,540,2 : 1st Dozen

138,'00,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,537,3 : 1st Dozen

139,'7,Bet,4,12,-4,8,545,4 : 1st Dozen

140,'20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,544,1 : 1st Dozen

141,'17,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,542,2 : 1st Dozen

142,'5,Bet,3,9,-3,6,548,3 : 1st Dozen

143,'7,Bet,1,3,-1,2,550,1 : 1st Dozen

144,'34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,549,1 : 1st Dozen

145,'13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,547,2 : 1st Dozen

146,'26,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,544,3 : 1st Dozen

147,'7,Bet,4,12,-4,8,552,4 : 1st Dozen

148,'30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,551,1 : 1st Dozen

149,'19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,549,2 : 1st Dozen

150,'13,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,546,3 : 1st Dozen

151,'9,Bet,4,12,-4,8,554,4 : 1st Dozen

152,'36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,553,1 : 1st Dozen

153,'31,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,551,2 : 1st Dozen

154,'22,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,548,3 : 1st Dozen

155,'4,Bet,4,12,-4,8,556,4 : 1st Dozen

156,'11,Bet,1,3,-1,2,558,1 : 1st Dozen

157,'29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,557,1 : 1st Dozen

158,'9,Bet,2,6,-2,4,561,2 : 1st Dozen

159,'9,Bet,1,3,-1,2,563,1 : 1st Dozen

160,'21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,562,1 : 1st Dozen

161,'25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,560,2 : 1st Dozen

162,'16,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,557,3 : 1st Dozen

163,'36,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,553,4 : 1st Dozen

164,'29,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,548,5 : 1st Dozen

165,'0,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,542,6 : 1st Dozen

166,'5,Bet,7,21,-7,14,556,7 : 1st Dozen

167,'15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,555,1 : 1st Dozen

168,'36,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,553,2 : 1st Dozen

169,'30,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,550,3 : 1st Dozen

170,'11,Bet,4,12,-4,8,558,4 : 1st Dozen

171,'36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,557,1 : 1st Dozen

172,'7,Bet,2,6,-2,4,561,2 : 1st Dozen

173,'35,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,560,1 : 1st Dozen

174,'10,Bet,2,6,-2,4,564,2 : 1st Dozen

175,'27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,563,1 : 1st Dozen

176,'26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,561,2 : 1st Dozen

177,'25,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,558,3 : 1st Dozen

178,'7,Bet,4,12,-4,8,566,4 : 1st Dozen

179,'28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,565,1 : 1st Dozen

180,'35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,563,2 : 1st Dozen

181,'21,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,560,3 : 1st Dozen

182,'10,Bet,4,12,-4,8,568,4 : 1st Dozen

183,'00,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,567,1 : 1st Dozen

184,'20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,565,2 : 1st Dozen

185,'1,Bet,3,9,-3,6,571,3 : 1st Dozen

186,'10,Bet,1,3,-1,2,573,1 : 1st Dozen

187,'1,Bet,1,3,-1,2,575,1 : 1st Dozen

188,'36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,574,1 : 1st Dozen

189,'0,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,572,2 : 1st Dozen

190,'19,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,569,3 : 1st Dozen

191,'00,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,565,4 : 1st Dozen

192,'22,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,560,5 : 1st Dozen

193,'7,Bet,6,18,-6,12,572,6 : 1st Dozen

194,'19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,571,1 : 1st Dozen

195,'17,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,569,2 : 1st Dozen

196,'10,Bet,3,9,-3,6,575,3 : 1st Dozen

197,'5,Bet,1,3,-1,2,577,1 : 1st Dozen

198,'28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,576,1 : 1st Dozen

199,'6,Bet,2,6,-2,4,580,2 : 1st Dozen

200,'11,Bet,1,3,-1,2,582,1 : 1st Dozen

One simulation does not make a winner. Try again. Try 1,000 simulations and see how you do. You will find that your loss will approach 5.26% x your average bet.

This looks like a D'Alembert. If I remember correctly it is a type of Martingale.

Oh Dear, another winning system. As mentioned your sample is too small, you'll get crushed with bigger number of spins. That said there are two ways to make money from systems....

1st) Wirte a book/ do a DVD, winning system, and spread it all over the internet. Collect $100's from chumps with poor reasoning.

2nd) Own a casino and let the above chumps play on your roulette tables.

Dont mean to sound harsh, but ANYONE with a winning system would never let it out.

And if the casino catches on to your system they may very well give you the boot, which may very well spread your reputation to other casinos who will treat you in a similar fashion.

Quote: derik999

And if the casino catches on to your system they may very well give you the boot...

Only if it's truly a winning system. Since it's not, they will more than likely give the VIP treatment!

Quote: derik999

And if the casino catches on to your system they may very well give you the boot, which may very well spread your reputation to other casinos who will treat you in a similar fashion.

Naw. Casinos LOVE systems that don't work.

Quote: madmike

Dont mean to sound harsh, but ANYONE with a winning system would never let it out.

Not true. Wizard's already said he'd let one go for $50 million (AtW 220).

Quote: derik999

And if the casino catches on to your system they may very well give you the boot, which may very well spread your reputation to other casinos who will treat you in a similar fashion.

Any casino that would boot someone on a system doesn't like money.

And I don't know of any casinos that don't like money.

We spent some time trashing your "System". Here's why it doesn't work.

In the system that you propose, you are saying bet one unit that pays three units if you win. The problem is that you lose this bet 26/38 times.

Your system becomes a loser after your eight loss in a row, as you are betting 9 units to pay 27 but you've already lost 36.

The odds of losing 8 in a row is (26/38)^8 = 4.8%. This is not that improbable. You will eventually run into a streak where you will lose more than you can win.

This system *will* work from time to time, but it is just as valid as any other betting system.

I actually spent more time on it and like every system I have tried it works good even with some bad luck but blows up during really bad luck streaks. I actually have never bet money at a casino game it just interests me. I actually tried more plays and it did blow up during bad luck streaks. Also what was interesting is I lost a majority of the time but won with a huge ratio something like 10 losers for every 1 winner but still profitable. Allot of systems work on wheels when the distributions are normal but when huge trends happens the system always blows apart. The reason I like studying casino gambling so much is because its logic applies to financial markets. In fact all the comments I got about this system have made me think more clearly about how to operate a financial casino as a market maker. I still like those stories about people who tried casino stuff but then moved to the options and stuff like that. People like Blair Hull who started as a 21 player but then started a trading company for options market making. I think in the Trading Wizards every interview he did with a gambler they at some point stopped because nothing worked but then they took that knowledge and made money from financial markets. Market making in stocks is where you charge a bid ask spread there by getting a 1 penny advantage over the customer. I am actually in the process of setting up a market making operation on the S&P 500 taking a 12.50 advantage from every trade. That's only a fraction of 1 percent but iterated over a few hundred times per day. Interesting thing about stocks is that progression works because your costs can actually be positive in other word you can be the house in the markets but not casino stuff. Any way hope everybody found this to be interesting.