Ovation of the Seas Casino
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Saw a video of the games, but it was hard to make out, plus I am told they change the games depending on the cruise location (ie more Sic Bo/Baccarat when in China)
The following games and minimums were observed on the above cruise
Three Card Poker ($10 Ante, $5 Pair Plus, $5 Six card Bonus)
Ultimate Holdem ($10 Ante, $5 Trips)
BlackJack ($10 minimum, some $15, Lucky Ladies sidebet)
Craps ($5)
Roulette ($5 minimum outside, $5 inside)
Baccart ($300 minimum - yes, thats not a typo, $300 minimum)
They had a live dealer No LImit Holdem running during peak times ($2-$4 Blinds)
And Royal Carribean is refunding to every passenger on the Ovation the equivalent of one day's cabin rental. LOL.
yeah, horrible bad negative variance for them.Quote: gordonm888The idea of the world's largest cruise ship having a shore excursion on a volcano island at a moment when the volcano erupts - is so ridiculous that if anyone had proposed that as the plot of a disaster movie, they would have been laughed out of their meeting.
a week after that happened, i was on a caribbean island where locals were offering volcano rim tour hikes.
i asked about concern for it erupting because of what happened to the tourists in new zealand.
they said their volcano has been dormant for 50+ years. (yet, i've read you can still smell the sulfur in the air when you're near it.)
yeah, i passed on that. (but i probably would have taken it if i was there before the new zealand story.)
Quote: 100xOddsyeah, horrible bad negative variance
Tours been going on for 20 years. Day it happens won't ever be good news, but November elevated risk assessment should have prompted a 'lets buy some long rubber coats and respirators for the guides and lets put a blurb in the ship board newsletter.
Murphy's law, "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong", which often is used to complain about bad luck, if stated with emphasis on the word 'will', i.e."Anything that can go wrong *will* go wrong", actually is an exercise in exploring the logic of the Law of Large Numbers if you also add the word 'eventually' .Quote: FleaStiffTours been going on for 20 years. Day it happens won't ever be good news, but November elevated risk assessment should have prompted a 'lets buy some long rubber coats and respirators for the guides and lets put a blurb in the ship board newsletter.
Seems to me the people at Boeing forgot this is true.
And I think we can say the operators of the cruise ship were actually woefully ignorant of the law.* The recent event was inevitable in that the probability of it happening was presumably not astronomical .
* assuming they didn't crunch the numbers and, with dastardly greed, decide they come out ahead. Maybe this happened at Boeing too.
Quote: 100xOddsyeah, horrible bad negative variance for them.
a week after that happened, i was on a caribbean island where locals were offering volcano rim tour hikes.
i asked about concern for it erupting because of what happened to the tourists in new zealand.
they said their volcano has been dormant for 50+ years. (yet, i've read you can still smell the sulfur in the air when you're near it.)
yeah, i passed on that. (but i probably would have taken it if i was there before the new zealand story.)
If you knew the odds of it erupting the day you took the tour, what odds would you find acceptable to do the tour? I would be good with 1000-1.
Good question and I might agree with 1000:1 for myself, but I am kind of inclined to up it an order of magnitude though due to the horrible nature of the deaths and injury that would be caused by scalding, death being possibly preferable to survival.Quote: DRichIf you knew the odds of it erupting the day you took the tour, what odds would you find acceptable to do the tour? I would be good with 1000-1.
I do not agree with the idea that we have to live lives without risk. That is, for adults who are fully informed, and I do wonder if the cruise knew the risks and informed people properly.
The dumbest thing I heard was that a recovery team was sent to the island to pick up dead bodies. They had to fly into the active eruption danger zone, wear special breathing aparatus, because apparently one sniff of the volcanic gas is lethal, and spend several hours there at risk...to recover DEAD bodies. What kind of value do Australian authorities put on live employees, that they would put them at that much risk for bodies that will be just as dead when the active phase of the eruption is over?
Quote: AyecarumbaThe dumbest thing I heard was that a recovery team was sent to the island to pick up dead bodies. They had to fly into the active eruption danger zone, wear special breathing aparatus, because apparently one sniff of the volcanic gas is lethal, and spend several hours there at risk...to recover DEAD bodies. What kind of value do Australian authorities put on live employees, that they would put them at that much risk for bodies that will be just as dead when the active phase of the eruption is over?
This is factually incorrect.
It is not some volcanic gas. The eruption was mainly hot ash that seared all exposed flesh irrespective of accompanying fumes. First flyover revealed no signs of life, but the event was over.
Quote: FleaStiffThis is factually incorrect.
It is not some volcanic gas. The eruption was mainly hot ash that seared all exposed flesh irrespective of accompanying fumes. First flyover revealed no signs of life, but the event was over.
This article from the New York Times tells a different story (emphasis mine):
Quote: New York Times.comWHAKATANE, New Zealand — The bodies were more than a quarter-mile from shore, some on higher ground, on a scorched, moonlike landscape shrouded in toxic gas. The troops had about three hours’ worth of oxygen, more than enough, they thought, to complete the mission.
But soon after setting foot on White Island, they knew they would need every second they could get
But the NYT isn't immune from sensationalizing a story, so I'm not surprised.
