Actuarial
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July 13th, 2017 at 3:52:21 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Stranger: "WoN, I'm going to freeroll you here, buddy!"

WoN: "Fffft. That bet loses all the time. Forget it!"

Sorry, that jab was to wake you up in case you weren't just kidding. And, yeah, there are things to object to usually in the deal and in fact it isn't quite a full freeroll. I decided to decline a rebate offer myself recently, the conditions didn't much suit me and worst of all, they made it clear they would make up the rules as they went along.



I e-mailed the player's club supervisor there and this is her response:

"You can be reimbursed on your losses at the tables and or at the slot machines up to $500. Total. It does round down to the nearest $50. It does take 3-6 weeks to be notified of when to come back and play. The reimbursement will be in the form of free slot play and or free bets for the table games."

I'm really not seeing the downside. It's only a 2.5 hour drive for me to get there and happens to be home to my favorite restaurant. The only ambiguity I see is whether the free bets are play-til-you-lose or one-time only - which is why I will play higher denom VP instead of blackjack. I figure it won't take long to play $2-denom DDB - play til I'm busto or hit quads, then head out. Have the wife do the same - then come back in a few months for a free shot at round 2.
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July 14th, 2017 at 12:34:53 AM permalink
Loss rebates for the average person are a scam because they're often not followed through on, the check is in the mail kind of thing. Vague terms are a huge red flag. Mission's experience for example, seemed from his article, he had to put in about ten hours of pulling teeth to get his free play.

If you're a new member, or a noncustomer for some time, you'll get good free play offers from many casinos anyways win or lose, without a loss rebate. I suppose that is another fine point, a person may get a loss rebate, but best as I can tell, not get free play besides that like the regular customers do.

Vagueness is the key, if a casino clearly stated when the rebate is applied and in how many installments upfront, that's a good offer. People don't have time sending 40 emails, calling ten times, talking to twenty people.
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July 14th, 2017 at 12:39:46 AM permalink
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I e-mailed the player's club supervisor there and this is her response:

"You can be reimbursed on your losses at the tables and or at the slot machines up to $500. Total. It does round down to the nearest $50. It does take 3-6 weeks to be notified of when to come back and play. The reimbursement will be in the form of free slot play and or free bets for the table games."

I'm really not seeing the downside. It's only a 2.5 hour drive for me to get there and happens to be home to my favorite restaurant. The only ambiguity I see is whether the free bets are play-til-you-lose or one-time only - which is why I will play higher denom VP instead of blackjack. I figure it won't take long to play $2-denom DDB - play til I'm busto or hit quads, then head out. Have the wife do the same - then come back in a few months for a free shot at round 2.

Redemption times can be inconvenient sometimes. If they send you emails on Monday, telling you to come in Tuesday, you might not be able to redeem. You just don't know what these places will do. They may give you weeks to redeem in one shot, they may ask you to come back 20 times, or they may never follow through, even claiming you won when you lost. That's the downside and those things happen and things aren't always uniform for everyone everywhere everytime.
Looks like sh!t just got imaginary!
odiousgambit
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July 14th, 2017 at 4:17:39 AM permalink
Quote: Actuarial

I e-mailed the player's club supervisor there and this is her response:

"You can be reimbursed on your losses at the tables and or at the slot machines up to $500. Total. It does round down to the nearest $50. It does take 3-6 weeks to be notified of when to come back and play. The reimbursement will be in the form of free slot play and or free bets for the table games."

no mention of how many times you have to come back.

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I'm really not seeing the downside. It's only a 2.5 hour drive for me

Only? if that's 150 miles or so then the 300 mile round-trip would cost maybe $30-40 in gas alone. AAA would say it costs in total $171 each trip, see link, and you are going to have to go at least twice. You don't have it in writing that it would only be twice.
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to get there and happens to be home to my favorite restaurant.

It helps to have other reasons to go of course.
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The only ambiguity I see is whether the free bets are play-til-you-lose or one-time only - which is why I will play higher denom VP instead of blackjack. I figure it won't take long to play $2-denom DDB - play til I'm busto or hit quads, then head out. Have the wife do the same - then come back in a few months for a free shot at round 2.

Having 2 people on the deal helps too.

Another bummer is that 95% of the time [in one thing I've seen] you don't win anything and are stuck with getting your money back, rules to be made up by the payer as things go along.

http://newsroom.aaa.com/auto/your-driving-costs/

PS: you may have to do slots, with VP excluded.
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July 14th, 2017 at 8:27:20 AM permalink
I'm not sure how many loss rebates you guys have played, but for the most part they work just fine. Yes, everything you mentioned has happened at one time or another, but I really think they are the exceptions, not the rule.

For the record, they don't just make up stories and say you won when you lost. That's usually due to a card reader error, I have had it happen a few times. I was able to get paid one time because I proved their card reader was miscalculating, so they went to the cameras and seen how much I put in and cashed out. Usually, they just claim you didn't have your card properly inserted. There's not much you can do to convince them otherwise.

I'm usually the first person to call something a scam, but as far as loss rebates go, I don't think I would go so far as calling them a scam, not even for the ploppys.

Even the average person must realize there has to be a catch. They can't really believe the casinos are going to let you gamble, lose and just give you all your money back without some kind of catch. They need to ask questions just like anything else that seems too good to be true.

Overall I think loss rebates are good for both the players and the casino.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 14th, 2017 at 8:31:26 AM permalink
Wow, thanks axel, i should check these out.... you really opened my eyes to something.!!!!!!
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July 14th, 2017 at 8:58:16 AM permalink
Oh, come on now. We don't want the average person thinking LR's are a scam, nor do we want the casinos thinking their customers think they are a scam. We want everyone complaining to the casino they don't have one like the other casinos they have been to.

Casinos get new customers, some who eventually lose everything plus significantly more. The players enjoy playing much more when they have an insurance policy. It's a win win for everyone.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 14th, 2017 at 9:37:45 AM permalink
deleted... peer pressure... nobody like a wise ass lol
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odiousgambit
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July 14th, 2017 at 10:03:56 AM permalink
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I was able to get paid one time because I proved their card reader was miscalculating



you've just described what you don't seem to mind having to do, but what would have me hating life. The damage it would do to my soul would even be worse; I'd be waking up in the morning plotting how I could get even - that's after they agreed with me too.
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July 14th, 2017 at 10:11:22 AM permalink
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