FleaStiff
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March 12th, 2018 at 1:03:01 PM permalink
Indian has different meanings and effects. A casino can be Indian owned but operated by a non-tribal entity.
A casino can be Indian owned but not on reservation land or trust fund land.
Some Indian tribes are sharp financially and politically, some are warring cliques. One tribe even had two brothers born nine minutes apart. The brother who remained loyal to the group in power remained a member of the tribe, the brother who joined the opposition group that tried to unseat the chief and seize the casino was disenrolled as a member of tribe. Tribal membership is solely the province of the tribe and can not be contested in any federal or state court.

And please do not ever think that the "tribe" in Connecticut ever really existed: it was the creation of lawyers who hired genealogists and rounded up local Indians and created a tribe just to get the gambling going.

Get stopped on one major highway north of Seattle and an alcohol violation means a White goes to White Man's Court if he is intoxicated, but if there is ANY alcohol in the vehicle, an Indian goes to Tribal Court even if he tests 0.00. If he tests 0.01 an Indian is legally drunk if he is on the reservation.

Laws are strange and money distorts them even more than they usually are.
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March 12th, 2018 at 2:58:24 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

they actually still say "English" and not "US" or "Federal"?



"They" as in Natives? Lol, no. That was nothing more than me being a bit intox and falling into Amish-speak. Sorry =p
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March 12th, 2018 at 2:58:55 PM permalink
I don't recall exactly when it was re-done but I think it was about 2 years back. They put in a wine bar (a reasonable idea) but also added an Italian grocery store which makes no sense. Who buys a bottle of olive oil while at a casino?
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March 12th, 2018 at 3:11:42 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff


And please do not ever think that the "tribe" in Connecticut ever really existed: it was the creation of lawyers who hired genealogists and rounded up local Indians and created a tribe just to get the gambling going.


Actually both tribes have a long history. Read up on the history of thePequot War of 1636 or (even better) dust off "Last of the Mohicans" from your high school English summer reading list.
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March 12th, 2018 at 6:18:24 PM permalink
The Mashantucket Pequot Tribe gained legal control of their reservation and federal recognition by an act of Congress in 1983, which overrode a veto by President Ronald Reagan. The tribe moved forward with development, and Foxwoods was founded in 1986 as a high-stakes bingo hall on their reservation.

According to that Wikipedia snippet the long history began in 1983 and gambling began in 1986.

Now if you think the Indians paid all those lobbyist fees and legal fees... well you know what they say about a bridge in Brooklyn.
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March 12th, 2018 at 7:00:15 PM permalink
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...As far as shuffling up, I’d have to look at the gaming code to determine whether or not they can do that. I’m honestly not sure, but I don’t see how it would manipulate the odds...just returns the game to, “Off the top,” Odds...unless they’re doing it selectively. If they’re always doing it, don’t see why that wouldn’t be allowed.

It seems to me that shuffling up after every hand changes the game in that it prevents the odds from changing.

But then the question would be, do the regulations give the casino the option to shuffle up whenever they want?
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March 12th, 2018 at 9:23:11 PM permalink
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Oh, yeah, I always forget Mohegan and Foxwoods are Indian, and they seem to be pretty good.

Now that I think about it, I think the main problem with Oklahoman casinos just has to do with our horribly stupid and archaic state laws regarding gambling, and not the Indian aspect.




We have some great Indian casinos in California. As fancy as anything on the Strip, some with some very good gambling, and benefits. And food.
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March 13th, 2018 at 1:37:11 AM permalink
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I highly doubt they can make it tribal land anymore than Canada could buy a curling rink and make it Canadian land.

IIRC PA is one of the few states where the Indians were compensated for all their land. I have even seen one of the treaties/deeds.



I've always found it messed up that European settlers came to America and forced people already living there to move from their homes. Especially since the Native Americans helped the European settlers to survive by giving them food(First Thanksgiving) and taught them how to fend for themselves.
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March 13th, 2018 at 2:34:59 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

. Especially since the Native Americans helped the European settlers to survive by giving them food(First Thanksgiving) and taught them how to fend for themselves.

I'm not certain such events actually took place. All migrations involve displacement of existing populations via crowding, disease, land-use, etc.
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March 13th, 2018 at 5:56:48 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

According to that Wikipedia snippet the long history began in 1983 and gambling began in 1986.

Now if you think the Indians paid all those lobbyist fees and legal fees... well you know what they say about a bridge in Brooklyn.


Not sure which Wikipedia article you're looking at. The one I'm reading (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pequot) states that

... evidence now available demonstrates that the Pequot were not invaders to the Connecticut River Valley but were indigenous in that area for thousands of years.[9] By the time of the founding of Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay colonies, the Pequot had already attained a position of political, military, and economic dominance in what is now central and eastern Connecticut.


and that

... the Mashantucket Pequot Reservation, where many members of the nation continue to live .. is one of the oldest, continuously occupied Indian reservations in North America.


I'm not disagreeing that they probably had business partners and backers but so what? That's the nature of the game. Adelson, Wynn, Trump, Ho and every other casino operator has had partners and backers at various times in their careers.
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