Has anyone been to--or heard anything about--this new casino? Just opened a few weeks ago, I believe. It's closer to me than Atlantic City and Mohegan Sun by a 30-45 minutes (and there will probably be far less traffic), so I was thinking of paying it a visit.
I mostly play blackjack, so I'm interested in the conditions there. I'm a low bankroll guy--not an AP but I play fairly close to perfect basic strategy.
Quote: mcavanaugh8It's closer to me than Atlantic City and Mohegan Sun by a 30-45 minutes (and there will probably be far less traffic), so I was thinking of paying it a visit
I've been thinking the same thing... Not much of a BJ player, but hoping it's a cool place because it's a lot more convenient than the drive to AC (and I'm not a big fan of Sands Bethlehem).
I don't feel comfortable pasting the thread link... But it's on the front page of Askreddit right now. "Casino employees of reddit what is the worst you have ever seen someone handle a loss".
You said seen or heard -anything-. :)
Quote: mcavanaugh8Hope you're feeling better! If you get up there in the next couple of weeks, let me know how the action is! I'm hoping that the tables and rules are a little better early -- 3:2, etc.
Im going sunday
What do u want me to look for
Quote: darkozIm going sunday
What do u want me to look for
Craps minimums and whether or not there's any lower denom video poker paytables that aren't a total waste (ie 9/6 or maybe 8/5) available).
Quote: ECoasterCraps minimums and whether or not there's any lower denom video poker paytables that aren't a total waste (ie 9/6 or maybe 8/5) available).
Okay u got it
Check back monday
Quote: darkozIm going sunday
What do u want me to look for
BJ tables minimums and bj payouts (I assume most will be 6/5 but some lower limit 3/2s would be great). And just a general feel for the place. It sounds promising.
Thanks! And best of luck to you--may the variance be in your favor.
Quote: darkozIm going sunday
What do u want me to look for
Place is nice but not overly nice- easy to get to from nyc
Video poker is not good.
Two large table game pits. No where near each other
Asian put is huge and to the right hand side when you walk in
Normal pit is straight ahead
I believe blakcjack was 3-2 but it was packed as it was grand opening and I didnt look that closely
Nothing great with the craps either. Def not 100x odds
Had tons of machines but high limit room had a terrible selection
Cashier was off to the right
Seems like they had decent food choices
Players card sign up bonus was awful at only 10 dollars for new sign up.
Hotel was decent and obviously brand new
Valet parking was closed. I believe its open now
Kiosks got players club were not on floor and were off to the back right of the pc
Plenty of egypt machines and a daily good variety of games except for in high limit
Table minimums were not crazy high as they had midi baccarat at only 25 dollars. Blackjack tables had 10 and 15 minimums
(c) Payment of natural blackjack
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(1) If the first face up card dealt to the dealer is a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 and a player has natural blackjack, the dealer shall announce and pay the blackjack at no less than odds of 3:2, unless blackjack is being dealt with only one or two decks, in which case the odds shall be 6:5 or another amount approved in writing by the commission, and shall remove the players cards before any player receives a third card.
(2) If the first face up card dealt to the dealer is an ace, king, queen, jack or 10 and a player has blackjack, the dealer shall announce the blackjack but shall make no payment until the dealer checks the dealers hole card in accordance with paragraph (6) of subdivision (a) of this section. If the dealers hole card does not give the dealer a natural blackjack, then the player having blackjack shall be paid at no less than odds of 3:2, unless blackjack is being dealt with only one or two decks, in which case the odds shall be 6:5 or another amount approved in writing by the commission, and the dealer shall collect such players cards.
So there should be 3/2 payouts - other rules may vary (of course)
Quote: Rwcatskills
Video poker is not good.
Nothing great with the craps either. Def not 100x odds
I don't get why VP is so bad in this region outside of AC...
As for craps, all I want is a $10 table (which you won't even find at the Sands along with their awful VP).
High limits($25) on weekends for BJ and I'm guessing a hostile crowd waiting around for spots. I'll fine tune this once I go, but if it's anything like the Sands in PA was when they got table games going, I can't imagine it being any better.
We arrived about 9AM. No lines no waiting at the players club where we quickly got cards in a very efficient manner. At this hour the place was not very busy and it was easy to find a seat at a table. There was 1 guy playing $10 craps, 3 $15 BJ tables open with plenty of seats. The place is really quite nice, plenty of slot machines to choose from. The Asian area is off to itself and quite large. Mostly Baccarat, Pai Gow Tiles, and Pai Gow Poker along with BJ.
Craps $10, only 1 table open. I didn't get the odds.
Roulette $10, only 1 table open.
Carney games look to be all $10 (a bit high?)
BJ $15, 3 tables open when we got there.
BJ in high limit room $50 and $100.
I sat at a BJ table ($15) and had a very nice, well trained, dealer who dealt at a comfortable pace. He made very few if any mistakes. His relief dealer, however, was slow, couldn't add, made frequent errors and really took the life out of the table. I played for a couple of hours ending up down a bit. By the time I left, the table was full with many folks looking for seats. These tables stayed at $15 and others (at least 5 more) were now open at $25. There were seats available on these tables but they too were pretty full. Still only one VERY full craps table and now more roulette tables open.
For VP 0.25 Jacks was 8/5, $1 9/5. I was not allowed to play my $10 freeplay on those machines! I did some, unsuccessful, Ultimate X vulturing.
We wanted to grab some lunch and choices are certainly still limited. We decided we would try DoubleTop Bar and Grille but it was closed! Really, there were people inside, oh they open at 12PM!!!!! So we waited a bit, the menu is quite small but the food was pretty good and prices were in line with what I would expect at a Casino.
By the time we left the casino was quite full and bustling. I stopped up at the Poker room which looked quite nice. They were running a mix of holdem, NL and PLO with pretty short wait lists. We will definitely return. It is just a short 45 minutes from home.
Quote: mcavanaugh8Hey all,
Has anyone been to--or heard anything about--this new casino? Just opened a few weeks ago, I believe. It's closer to me than Atlantic City and Mohegan Sun by a 30-45 minutes (and there will probably be far less traffic), so I was thinking of paying it a visit.
I mostly play blackjack, so I'm interested in the conditions there. I'm a low bankroll guy--not an AP but I play fairly close to perfect basic strategy.
So, in not so many words don't even bother. Just came back from a quick trip there and what everyone didn't mention yet is there csm's scattered all over the place. Also, some progressive extra betting bulls*** about getting sevens or something. So if you count or AP in any way, just be aware it is ploppie haven. There wasn't any so I asked pit crew about a $15 min table, and after a few minutes one appeared with smiling faces ready to take my money. I sat down, gave a penny machine five dollars of my money and got the f out of there.. and so should you.
Happy Scouting
*thumbs up*
The casino itself is huge, spacious and well designed. Table games are right at the entrance and slots are more in the middle, which is great for any AP. BJ is standard $15 limits during the day time and goes up to $25 on Weekends and $50 on Big Holidays.
Dealers Hit Soft 17, which is the only downer, but they do offer Surrender. BJ pays 3:2 and they have the standard sucker bets of Three Card Poker +3 and Blazing 7's Progressive for any combination of 7's(paying higher odds on colored 7's and suited 7's). I ended up ahead on both trips and will certainly be coming back more often.
Now here is the part that surprised me and I expect this to get some snide comments. But the majority of Pit bosses are younger Asians and the dealers are predominantly Caucasians in their 50's or older. I only say this is surprising is because throughout my 15+ years of casino gaming, I've been to AC, Vegas, CT, PA, Florida, & Buffalo where nearly all of them had older, white guys as the majority of floor personnel and the dealers predominantly being younger Asians from Thailand, Vietnam, China, & India.
I'm guessing the majority ownership is comprised of one of the aforementioned ethnicities, which there is nothing wrong with, but surprises me that a Casino in the Catskills would have it set up that way. Perhaps they are following the business model of Sands in Bethlehem PA or figure they can attract more locals with familiar faces dealing than "foreign ones". I did notice the dealers I played were more interesting with their comments, anecdotes and past lives(one was a prison guard at Sing Sing) versus the typical " I came to this country XX years ago and have been dealing cards ever since" you get with dealers from another country.
Other than the Bomb scare a few months ago, this place doesn't seem dangerous or shady like MANY casinos on the East cost. Parking Lot is big and parking is Free, which is always good. Food court looks good and prices are reasonable $7 for a personal pizza, $8 for a Burger/Sandwich and $9 for a Salad.
Once I find a suitable bus company that runs daily here, I may have found my new spot. But they've kept that information a secret so far!
first time, only half the hotel was open and the diner 24/7 wasn't open yet
a lot of construction workers outside working the first visit.
only one craps table going at night when I was there, 15 dollar minimum, not easy to get a spot. I had to wait.
crew was ok, some mistakes, but nothing to stop me from playing there again.
the hotel rooms are beautiful. Staff in hotel is great. The second time we arrived there at noon, they let us check in as room was ready(midweek),
My wife claimed slots were tight, where aren't they tight?
Im reluctant to go back again because I don't enjoy having to wait around for a spot on the craps table, and I prefer 10 dollar tables.
Its a decent place, Id recommend it to anyone
I was there last Thursday, 10/25 at 11 AM. There was one table open at $10. It was busy, but you can still squeeze in another player or two.
Quote: BedWetterBetter
Now here is the part that surprised me and I expect this to get some snide comments. But the majority of Pit bosses are younger Asians and the dealers are predominantly Caucasians in their 50's or older. I only say this is surprising is because throughout my 15+ years of casino gaming, I've been to AC, Vegas, CT, PA, Florida, & Buffalo where nearly all of them had older, white guys as the majority of floor personnel and the dealers predominantly being younger Asians from Thailand, Vietnam, China, & India.
That might be something that's trending now... last time I was in Vegas (last year) I was playing in one of the Asian pits and one of the pit bosses was a young Asian woman, and most of the dealers were a mix of older white and Asian. Another one of the pit bosses was a middle aged white man, though.
Quote: TigerWuThat might be something that's trending now... last time I was in Vegas (last year) I was playing in one of the Asian pits and one of the pit bosses was a young Asian woman, and most of the dealers were a mix of older white and Asian. Another one of the pit bosses was a middle aged white man, though.
Might be due to RW Catskills is operated (maybe owned?) by genting.com which is based in Malaysia.
I was there last Thursday afternoon around 1 to 2. There was one $10 craps table open with 5 players at each end. They were standing spraddled so the table looked full. I stepped up behind the stick and asked whether they had room for one more. He replied, "No, we don't." I waited a while and watched one more squeeze in on the left end followed by one more getting in on the right end. I suppose the local policy is that you have to ignore what the dealer says and push your way in. I was not particularly happy. I let my feelings be known at the stick change, and took my place when someone left.Quote: BasesLoadedWent up there last night, Monday. One craps table open, $10 min. 6 players at 8:00pm, you could get a spot. Another table had a crew, but was not open.
Quote: DJTeddyBearIve more less shifted all of my local business from Sands to Resorts World. Plus Im applying to be a poker dealer at Resorts World.
I was there last Thursday, 10/25 at 11 AM. There was one table open at $10. It was busy, but you can still squeeze in another player or two.
when we stayed it was much easier at any time during day to get a spot. the table got busy around 7 pm, had to wait for a few 7 outs to get on table. they opened a second table when I was done playing an hour later.
I'm not swayed as there seem to be over 7 stops on the bus route and it arrives in 2 hours, which is much longer than the Sands Bus trip. Plus RWC has limited amount of tables during the day and usually place high limits at night, so it may be more costly to take a bus down and be stuck there for 5 hours.
On another note, I heard two old guys at a convenience store arguing about how there's no way to drive the 105 miles to get to RW in under 90 minutes. Reminded me of the barbershop scene from Coming to America!
https://www.thekartrite.com/Special_Notification/
The next-door Waterpark and Go Kart track will be re-opening on June 19, pending approval of course. This could open the door for RW Monticello to open at the end of the month as well.
Quote: DJTeddyBearI trust youre aware that while Kartrite and RW are only about a mile apart, they are not owned by the same company. Hell, they cant even agree on getting shuttle service between the two!
Correct
Kartrite is just a tenant of the Resorts World property
Quote: DJTeddyBearI trust youre aware that while Kartrite and RW are only about a mile apart, they are not owned by the same company. Hell, they cant even agree on getting shuttle service between the two!
Never said they were owned by the same company. But if they are able to open up and do business, meaning the county's restrictions were less severe for large gatherings, it would OPEN THE DOOR to the possible re-opening of RW later this month. Sullivan county is pretty far off from the high infected areas of NYC and Philly, so one would hope their infection rates go down enough to allow for soft re-openings of businesses.
https://sullivanny.us/news/sullivan-county-government-begins-phased-reopening
https://hudsonvalleypost.com/cuomo-mid-hudson-region-will-enter-phase-2-on-tuesday/
According to the press release, they've gone into Phase 2 this week and would transition to phase 3 within a 2-4 week span should there no further incidents.
Again, just trying to be positive in these dark times and any thing to affirm would be appreciated.
Quote: BedWetterBetterNever said they were owned by the same company. But if they are able to open up and do business, meaning the county's restrictions were less severe for large gatherings, it would OPEN THE DOOR to the possible re-opening of RW later this month. Sullivan county is pretty far off from the high infected areas of NYC and Philly, so one would hope their infection rates go down enough to allow for soft re-openings of businesses.
https://sullivanny.us/news/sullivan-county-government-begins-phased-reopening
According to the press release, they've gone into Yellow Phase this week and would transition to green phase within a 2-4 week span should there no further incidents.
Again, just trying to be positive in these dark times and any thing to affirm would be appreciated.
That's a good question
If Kartrite is opening are the restrictions loosened
And if loosened why isn't the casino opening
Both the casino and water park are social gathering places. I don't see why resorts world would not plan on an open same time as Kartrite even if owned by different companies.
Quote: darkoz
Both the casino and water park are social gathering places. I don't see why resorts world would not plan on an open same time as Kartrite even if owned by different companies.
I would also think a water park would be far more contaminated on a daily basis and have a higher risk factor than a casino. God knows what people(kids in particular) are doing in those pools and on those slides!
In any event, should be a welcome change for the AC and PA casino goers.
Quote: BedWetterBetterGuess they finally re-opened up RWC in New York, quietly for sure as I only learned this today. Kind of ironic that it came around the anniversary 9/11.
In any event, should be a welcome change for the AC and PA casino goers.
Governor Cuomo allowed all non-tribal casinos (4) and racinos(11) to reopen with heavy restrictions on September 9th.
To my knowledge all have done so except Yonkers Raceway casino (MGM) which has set September 21 as opening
They announced it for days leading up and again on Wednesday, on Twitter ... if you follow them, you knew.Quote: BedWetterBetterGuess they finally re-opened up RWC in New York, quietly for sure ...
Or if you follow me, @RevDaveMiller , you knew.
Every time they mentioned it in the last two months, I replied, Got a date yet? When they finally provided a date, I replied, Poker too?
FYI: No date for poker. 😡
Im so glad I didnt go.Quote: DJTeddyBearThey announced it for days leading up and again on Wednesday, on Twitter ... if you follow them, you knew.
Or if you follow me, @RevDaveMiller , you knew.
Every time they mentioned it in the last two months, I replied, Got a date yet? When they finally provided a date, I replied, Poker too?
FYI: No date for poker. 😡
You have to did deep into their Covid FAQ page to learn that they havent opened craps or roulette yet.
Quote: DJTeddyBearIm so glad I didnt go.
You have to did deep into their Covid FAQ page to learn that they havent opened craps or roulette yet.
That's by order of Governor Cuomo.
No table games in NYS
Um...Quote: darkozThat's by order of Governor Cuomo.
No table games in NYS
According to the FAQ, tables, yes. Craps & Roulette, no.
Quote: http://rwcatskills.com/faq/Gaming Floor
The gaming floor will be operating from 8am to 4am daily until further notice. Currently, our slot machines, Sportsbook 360, and live table games (with the exception of craps and roulette) are open.
The Good
1. No bus folk lurking around and picking up loose change
2. No forehead temp. scans or removing of mask to show your face to anyone.
3. Free Dasani Water Bottles left out on a table by the Concert Arena entrance and you can take as many you want.
4. Place is clean and safe.
The Bad
1. No waitresses or drink service(other than free water bottles), so you have to go to the food court to get coffee or a soft drink.
2. They insist on you using hand sanitizer and if you don't have your own, they drench your hand in it.(Not a big deal, but a little much)
3. They put all chips handled by players into a couple of poker chip racks and every 15 minutes, stop the game to clean and change those chips. (Again not a big deal, but slows the games down when they could literally wait until the end of the shoe)
4. Lots of new dealers who are older, slower and constantly shadowed by other staff(Could be an advantage if they were alone, but alas there's a little devil peering over their shoulder correcting ALL mistakes)
5. High table limits ranging from $25 being the lowest, $50 being the average and up to $100 tables closer to the sports bar.
6. All matchplay & free reward credit offers are replaced with $10 free play, which gets gobbled up quickly at most of the slots open.
All and all, an enjoyable time with a $200+ profit but I won't be going back when there are better options available for Tri-State gaming.
Quote: BedWetterBetterWas there a few days ago, pretty dead and only about 20 or so people roaming the casino floor. Plenty of BJ table games open and some carnival games like 3CP, Miss. Stud, Let it Ride & Pai Gow open.
The Good
1. No bus folk lurking around and picking up loose change
2. No forehead temp. scans or removing of mask to show your face to anyone.
3. Free Dasani Water Bottles left out on a table by the Concert Arena entrance and you can take as many you want.
4. Place is clean and safe.
The Bad
1. No waitresses or drink service(other than free water bottles), so you have to go to the food court to get coffee or a soft drink.
2. They insist on you using hand sanitizer and if you don't have your own, they drench your hand in it.(Not a big deal, but a little much)
3. They put all chips handled by players into a couple of poker chip racks and every 15 minutes, stop the game to clean and change those chips. (Again not a big deal, but slows the games down when they could literally wait until the end of the shoe)
4. Lots of new dealers who are older, slower and constantly shadowed by other staff(Could be an advantage if they were alone, but alas there's a little devil peering over their shoulder correcting ALL mistakes)
5. High table limits ranging from $25 being the lowest, $50 being the average and up to $100 tables closer to the sports bar.
6. All matchplay & free reward credit offers are replaced with $10 free play, which gets gobbled up quickly at most of the slots open.
All and all, an enjoyable time with a $200+ profit but I won't be going back when there are better options available for Tri-State gaming.
Craps tables open?
Why not just offer gloves to anyone who wants them. Theyre fairly cheap.Quote: BedWetterBetterThey put all chips handled by players into a couple of poker chip racks and every 15 minutes, stop the game to clean and change those chips. (Again not a big deal, but slows the games down when they could literally wait until the end of the shoe).
But if they are going thru such elaborate chip procedures, they must be doing temperature scans. Maybe its some type of remote thing that you didnt see.
It also explains why theres no craps.
FYI. Yesterday they tweeted a promo, and I responded asking about craps. They confirmed still no craps and they dont have a projected opening date.
Quote: DJTeddyBearWhy not just offer gloves to anyone who wants them. Theyre fairly cheap.
But if they are going thru such elaborate chip procedures, they must be doing temperature scans. Maybe its some type of remote thing that you didnt see.
It also explains why theres no craps.
FYI. Yesterday they tweeted a promo, and I responded asking about craps. They confirmed still no craps and they dont have a projected opening date.
No table games allowed by order of Governor unless shields the gaming commission finds appropriate are in place.
That's prohibitive to Craps where you need access to throwing the dice. You probably won't see Craps in NY until after the Pandemic
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-casinos-allowed-reopen-limited-capacity-next-week#:~:text=Governor%20Cuomo%20Announces%20Casinos%20Allowed%20to%20Reopen%20with%20Limited%20Capacity%20Next%20Week,-Coronavirus&text=Prior%20To%20Opening-,Governor%20Andrew%20M.,a%2025%20percent%20occupancy%20limit.
Quote: DJTeddyBearIm so glad I didnt go.
You have to did deep into their Covid FAQ page to learn that they havent opened craps or roulette yet.
That's pretty garbage. I even went to the Table Games page on their website and it lists Craps and Roulette without mention of those games being temporarily closed. I don't know what the percentages are, (of sites that have them listed as closed on the Table Games page as a percentage of those that are closed) but a good many sites list those games as being closed on that page.
Quote: ChumpChangeVegas can get the plastic barriers up for craps tables, why can't New York? They might be on back order for a month or two. Roulette tables? I don't know. Maybe washing the chips every 15 minutes is a bit much.
The plastic barrier's I have seen so far (I haven't been to the Catskills yet) includes not just on the sides but in front of the face with an opening on the bottom for placing bets (think similar to a cashier cage).
If that is what NYS is requiring then Craps and Roulette (where wagers must be stretched across the table at arms length or where dice must be thrown at good velocity by the player) are non-starters
Disinfected dice: Las Vegas casinos getting ready to roll
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/22/disinfected-dice-las-vegas-casinos-getting-ready-roll/111848102/
Roulette barrier in a photo indicates barrier is between players and not a barrier to the table.
Casinos in Wales set to reopen | Knutsford Guardian (wants to cookie)
https://www.knutsfordguardian.co.uk/news/national/18683992.casinos-wales-set-reopen/
Photos show changes in Atlantic City casinos after reopening - Business Insider Jul 6, 2020
https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-show-changes-in-atlantic-city-casinos-after-reopening-2020-7
Top photo seems like craps barriers are to protect workers and not set between players at the Golden Nugget Casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, on July 2, 2020.
Partitions between players and face masks allow gamblers to enjoy craps at the Hard Rock Casino on July 2, 2020
Quote: darkozThe plastic barrier's I have seen so far (I haven't been to the Catskills yet) includes not just on the sides but in front of the face with an opening on the bottom for placing bets (think similar to a cashier cage).
If that is what NYS is requiring then Craps and Roulette (where wagers must be stretched across the table at arms length or where dice must be thrown at good velocity by the player) are non-starters
Thats how the Borgata has its craps set up. Its slightly annoying at first but you get used to it.