LuckyPhow
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May 19th, 2017 at 10:19:57 AM permalink
Well, Florida courts finally announced race tracks, poker rooms, and jai-alai frontons cannot have slot machines, even if the county voted to approve that type of gaming establishment. So, what to do? Oh, what to do now?

Jim Allen, Seminole Hard Rock Entertainment’s president and CEO, suggested that any expansion of commercial casinos in Florida should involve a competitive bidding process, rather than simply adding slots at more racetracks. “If we’re going to do it, then let’s do it right,” he said, suggesting Florida implement a more orderly “process” for expanding Florida gaming. He noted the Seminole Tribe is happy with its semi-exclusive access to gaming in Florida. “But if the state is at the point where they don’t want to do that," Allen continued, "then we’re happy to move on.”

Read all about it here:

Seminoles Suggest Plan for Florida Gaming

A similar process was used at the Rideau Carleton Raceway in Ottawa, Canada’s capital. The Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation used competitive bidding as part of the larger project approval process. Partnered with the Seminole Tribe, a $320 million expansion of the racetrack will add a Hard Rock Casino with a 140,000 square foot (13,000 sqm) gaming complex. Allen suggests Florida might use such a process to attract the larger gaming operators who could provide Florida revenue never likely to be available from struggling race tracks and jai-alai frontons.

Others familiar with gaming in Florida say such a proposal would adversely affect too many existing gaming venues. Those gaming operators have paid too much to too many politicians to have their candy snatched from them without one helluva fight.
terapined
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May 19th, 2017 at 11:17:59 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Allen suggests Florida might use such a process to attract the larger gaming operators who could provide Florida revenue never likely to be available from struggling race tracks and jai-alai frontons.


Wow.
Tampa Bay Downes is not struggling
If anything, its thriving.
I came from the land of struggling tracks, Laurel and Pimlico.
Tampa Bay Downes does huge business during their thoroughbred season. Off season, the nice poker room with some other table games does quite well.

Derby lane dog track with poker and table games does quite well. They got the best pai gow poker game in the country. No commission, standard rules. Their only slight edge is they win ties. 5 min, 500 max.

These are very healthy establishments due to poker.
Let them operate just like a casino.
Local Seminole hard rock Tampa is 6th largest casino in the world because lack of competition
"Everybody's bragging and drinking that wine, I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines, Come to Daddy on an inside straight, I got no chance of losing this time" -Grateful Dead- "Loser"
DeMango
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May 19th, 2017 at 11:22:23 AM permalink
Quote: terapined


Local Seminole hard rock Tampa is 6th largest casino in the world because lack of competition



I will be driving past Tampa on my way to Biloxi next week!
LuckyPhow
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May 19th, 2017 at 7:25:25 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

I will be driving past Tampa [Lucky: and the Seminole hard rock, the 6th largest casino in the world] on my way to Biloxi next week!



Ummm... What "De Man" said.

No casino with all the crazy rules and ultra-high limits the Seminole Hard Rock casino in Tampa has could survive a year in Biloxi. Period.

As for Tampa Bay Downs, I agree. It does a great job. Not all Florida racetracks are as profitable, either to the state or to their owners. And, don't get me started on dog tracks or Jai-Alai.

But, concerning revenues to the state, a racetrack with a poker room (even with "player-banked" table games) provides dimes compared to the dollars that a real, state-regulated casino would generate for the state. I think that is the point made by the Seminole Tribe leadership, and I concur.
FleaStiff
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May 26th, 2017 at 3:20:40 PM permalink
>>>>No casino with all the crazy rules and ultra-high limits the Seminole Hard Rock
>>>>casino in Tampa has could survive a year in Biloxi. Period.
The Seminoles truly enjoy (and milk) their monopoly status.

>>>>As for Tampa Bay Downs, I agree. It does a great job.
>>Not all Florida racetracks are as profitable, either to the state or to their owners.
This would show that 'coupling' popular gambling activities with archaic, unprofitable ones is senseless.
FleaStiff
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June 12th, 2017 at 6:43:32 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

>>>>No casino with all the crazy rules and ultra-high limits
>>> the Seminole Hard Rock Casino in Tampa has could survive a year
>>>>in Biloxi. Period.
The Seminoles truly enjoy (and milk) their monopoly status.



Just out of curiosity:

I know if I were going to do any slot machines it would be steer clear of the Seminoles, but what about:
Baccarat
Blackjack
Craps (machine in FL; live in MS)?

Any real differences? Airfare, hotel(?) etc. might be worth it, but Immokalee is real close and Tampa/Miami are each more or less doable.
LuckyPhow
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June 12th, 2017 at 7:59:05 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I know ... steer clear of the Seminoles..



Correct! Hopefully, others can give you more specific guidance. Friends who previously visited the Seminole Hard Rock in Tampa reported $25 minimum bet at BJ with folks lined up two deep waiting for a seat. Yech! I expect other games at Florida's Seminole casinos have similarly high table minimums. I know nothing about games at the Immokalee casino. Does it even have table games (other than Bingo)?

I have generally had poor results at Native American casinos. Monopolies are bad for the customer, but, you already know that (from your earlier post).

I think the Biloxi Beau Rivage casino has "deals" offered at several Florida cities for airfare and hotel rooms. But, I don't know the specifics. Again, others may know all the details, but flying anywhere today is such a hassle.

The post at the start of this thread reported the Seminole tribe announcing it had no problem if Florida made large, Vegas-style resort casinos legal (anywhere) in Florida. According to the tribe, such a program implemented in a meaningful way would provide a sensible gaming solution to the current hodge-podge that is Florida gaming. The Seminoles said they were willing to compete in such an environment. Of course, Florida probably would no longer get $$ from a "Compact," and instead would have to get $$ from non-Indian casinos, still leaving the Seminoles with an advantage.

But, until that happens, I agree: steer clear of the Florida Seminole casinos if you have other options.
FleaStiff
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June 12th, 2017 at 11:09:29 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

I know nothing about games at the Immokalee casino. Does it even have table games (other than Bingo)?

Yes. Baccarat at high and highly variable minimum bets usually with dealers who try to take a bank/player bet if a tie occurs. BJ at 6:5 at low minimum (ONE table), BJ 6:5 at higher minimums, BJ 3:2 at variable limits. Saw one 300 minimum game (too stiff for me). Craps Machine (promised but was roped off when I was there). UTH, I think.
DeMango
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June 12th, 2017 at 12:28:54 PM permalink
Lucky offers excellent advice: Biloxi. Recently I acquired a no fee MGM CC. That upgrades you one tier at MGM, eliminates parking fees in Vegas, and now I get $40 offers: RT air fare to Gulfport, plus 3 nights at The Beau. From St Pete, RSW, Melbourne and Sanford. Such a deal!
FleaStiff
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June 12th, 2017 at 3:02:20 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

RT air fare to Gulfport, plus 3 nights at The Beau. From St Pete, RSW, Melbourne and Sanford. Such a deal!

RT air fare GPT to/from RSW would be great for me but I fear a casino would be unlikely to extend any offers to a flea.

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