Mohegan Sun or Foxwoods

For a blackjack player which casino has better conditions- Mohegan Sun or Foxwoods?

Mohegan Sun: 6 decks, dealer stands on soft 17, grandfathered at table limit you start with, unlimited splits, no splitting 10 value.

Foxwoods: 8 decks, dealer hits soft 17, you accept table limit increases to continue play, splits limited to 4, splitting 10 value allowed.

Both: blackjack pays 3:2, double on any two cards, double after split, one card on split aces no resplit, surrender allowed and also on splits. Dealt from shoe. 2:1 insurance pay.

Mohegan Sun cut card is at about 1.5 decks. I hear Foxwoods is slightly less than that. I hear at Foxwoods you can request a rule change for dealer to stand on soft 17 at high limit tables (50+).

Both offer bullshit low limit games unworthy of further comment.

Mohegan Sun has subdued lighting, especially in the Earth casino. Foxwoods has brightly lit table areas for the most part.

Quote: Slyfox16

For a blackjack player which casino has better conditions- Mohegan Sun or Foxwoods?

For basic strategy, Mohegan. For counting, Foxwoods.

I think Foxwoods is a bit more generous with comp dollars, while Mohegan is more generous with mailers. Mohegan used to have better stuff to use the comp dollars on, but now that Foxwoods has the mall it's close. Mohegan has better restaurants IMO.

Mohegan has the better game as earlier described, provided you can find a seat. You can get shut out. Seating is less of a problem at their NMSE tables, which are usually at $50 min.

Easier finding a seat and choosing your base at Foxwoods.

Both offer $5 min craps. MS has 5X and Foxwoods 10X.

Quote: houyi

For basic strategy, Mohegan. For counting, Foxwoods. ...

As Tanko notes, Mohegan Sun has a better game in terms of rules: a 0.24% lower house edge according to the Wizard's tables. That is substantial when comparing the two rule sets. Is the some other factor leading you to prefer Foxwoods for counting? Less heat? Penetration deep enough to make a significant difference?

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As Tanko notes, Mohegan Sun has a better game in terms of rules: a 0.24% lower house edge according to the Wizard's tables. That is substantial when comparing the two rule sets. Is the some other factor leading you to prefer Foxwoods for counting? Less heat? Penetration deep enough to make a significant difference?

Mohegan Sun probably has the worst average pen on the east coast. I'd say average 66%. Obv some dealers are better than others, but at Foxwoods it's easy to find 88%. And you can always hit and run the high limit rooms at Foxwoods which have Mohegan rules and 6 decks, but significantly better pen. I'd still stick to the main floor though if you'll be coming back regularly in your rotation.

Foxwoods will be accepting out of state visitors when they re-open on Monday and will allow 25% capacity during the first week.

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Foxwoods will be accepting out of state visitors when they re-open on Monday and will allow 25% capacity during the first week.

Does 25% capacity mean an exact number of patrons? That they will have a counter and when it reaches a pre-determined number they will stop allowing anyone to enter? And when one patron leaves another is allowed to enter?

I have been at casinos that seemed to be way over any reasonable capacity.

Before this pandemic, were there actually times someone did a 'capacity' check on a Vegas casino and did not allow patrons in?

Quote: SOOPOO

Does 25% capacity mean an exact number of patrons? That they will have a counter and when it reaches a pre-determined number they will stop allowing anyone to enter? And when one patron leaves another is allowed to enter?

Curious what happens if a casino is at full capacity , with more customers waiting to get in, and a known whale shows up looking to play...

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Curious what happens if a casino is at full capacity , with more customers waiting to get in, and a known whale shows up looking to play...

That guy is not going to be queued up at the door waiting for a thermometer. The whale will surely ask, "So where's my special entrance?"

Plus, I wonder if "25% capacity" means one-quarter of every available seat. In the old days when you walked through a casino, how many empty, unopened tables, closed pits, and vacant slot machines did you see? Sure, a busy casino was crowded, with people wandering around, and on a Saturday night business was brisk. Thewre are too many entrances and exits to keep an accurate count, only letting in one person when someone else leaves.

Quote: SOOPOO

Does 25% capacity mean an exact number of patrons? That they will have a counter and when it reaches a pre-determined number they will stop allowing anyone to enter? And when one patron leaves another is allowed to enter?

I have been at casinos that seemed to be way over any reasonable capacity.

Before this pandemic, were there actually times someone did a 'capacity' check on a Vegas casino and did not allow patrons in?

https://www.foxwoods.com/about/welcomeback/

From what I read in the safety plan, there will be a counter at each entrance to keep track of people entering and exiting.

I think a bigger problem would be table games and people standing behind one another waiting for a spot. I remember when Sands in PA first started table games and people were lined up behind the ones sitting peaking over their shoulders and fighting over a seat once it opened up.

Quote: michael99000

Curious what happens if a casino is at full capacity , with more customers waiting to get in, and a known whale shows up looking to play...

Apparently the tribes have opened up today to accommodate "select players", which I would take to mean whales & VIPs.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/faith-leaders-to-join-governor-at-covid-19-news-conference/2279124/

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Plus, I wonder if "25% capacity" means one-quarter of every available seat. In the old days when you walked through a casino, how many empty, unopened tables, closed pits, and vacant slot machines did you see? Sure, a busy casino was crowded, with people wandering around, and on a Saturday night business was brisk. Thewre are too many entrances and exits to keep an accurate count, only letting in one person when someone else leaves.

I suspect that's how some places are doing the count; most(all?) of the official/promotional footage from Morongo I saw showed alternating machines being locked or off while phone footage shows, at least on some banks, every machine on and being used.

When people called them out on it, the response was boilerplate, with "More than half of our 4,000 slots were either turned off or disabled in a locked status so that they could not be operated by guests." included... I was jokingly commenting on how Palace Station would have an easy time of that one, considering they have that enormous pile of machines in the parking lot, but it looks like other places may actually be taking a similar approach.

(Edit: Saw some more footage. Some banks appear to have alternating machines off. Most didn't look like it.)

From what I read about Mohegan, only the Sky Casino might be open. In that case they would have a better chance of controlling access at the door since there are fewer points of entry, but if that's the case then only one parking garage abuts that entrance. That would be a social distancing nightmare.

There's a long swath of stores between the two casinos ("Earth" and "Sky") and if they allow access to those stores then controlled access would be more difficult,

My local Home Depot allows entry at only one door. All other doors are exit only, so they can monitor total capacity precisely. Unless they lock down all the other garages and entrances, any attempt at limiting access at Mohegan to some arbitrary percentage would only work by opening just that percentage of seats - be they table games or slots. 50% available seats accompanied by 100% access? That'll work!

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There's a long swath of stores between the two casinos ("Earth" and "Sky") and if they allow access to those stores then controlled access would be more difficult

From the recent reports, they've blacked out and stanchioned off the closed parts of the casino and put signage everywhere to direct traffic to the open gaming areas.

So it seems there are no alternate ways in or out of the casino and you must stay on the guided path, which would make it plausible for them to track the amount of people at all times.

What I was surprised to hear is they are still serving alcohol. I understand that's probably their biggest selling product besides gaming, but the chance of contamination is extremely high given the waitresses won't be wearing gloves. I used to shudder when I would see people sitting at a table and eating a cup full of cocktail olives or cherries. Not only is it gross after the third one, but they've been sitting exposed in a plastic jar all day for who knows how long.

Just returned from a quick trip to Foxwoods. Was fairly busy, but not overcrowded. Parking was pretty bad, but most garage parking casinos are.

You basically walk in and proceed past the Thermal Sensor, no ID check(for me anyway) or facial recognition protocol. Most of the closed sections are partitioned off and once you enter the gaming floor there was a few cleaning people standing idle.

I proceeded to the table games, it was quite full and the table limits were no less $25 for Blackjack. I waited a few minutes and joined at open spot, then I was asked to clean my hands with a drop from their shampoo bottle sized sanitizer. The plexiglass is high enough that you can gather your chips or place bets freely. However, there were NO cleaning people coming around or wiping down seats after players left the spot.

I made a quick $200 and decided to leave after the player at 3rd base started making questionable plays such as hitting hard 13 against dealer 5 and not splitting aces vs 9. The morale was pretty tame, nobody yelling or cheering, just the usual moping and occasional "Unbelievable!" remarks when the dealer pulled 20's and 21's.

There was a long line for the cashier, mostly due to them spraying cleaner before and after taking chips. I managed to get a few snap shots of the casino floor while waiting in line.