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June 13th, 2015 at 9:43:28 AM permalink
Does anyone know how the Meadows can give away free alcohol? As far as I know they are the only one in PA that does while playing. I thought it was against their license or against their liquor license to do so. A floor person told me it is because the casino is actually paying for it and not just giving it away. I assume that means it appears differently on thir P/L than it would if they just gave it away. Of course his opinion on how they do it is probably wrong but I have been curious. Any ideas?
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June 13th, 2015 at 12:53:39 PM permalink
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Does anyone know how the Meadows can give away free alcohol? As far as I know they are the only one in PA that does while playing. I thought it was against their license or against their liquor license to do so. A floor person told me it is because the casino is actually paying for it and not just giving it away. I assume that means it appears differently on thir P/L than it would if they just gave it away. Of course his opinion on how they do it is probably wrong but I have been curious. Any ideas?



Every casino I've been to in eastern PA has given me free booze. Parx, Sugarhouse, Harrah's, Valley Forge, Sands, Mt Airy. I would guess that every casino could if they wanted to. The ones that don't are probably just cheap.
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June 13th, 2015 at 2:15:16 PM permalink
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Does anyone know how the Meadows can give away free alcohol? As far as I know they are the only one in PA that does while playing. I thought it was against their license or against their liquor license to do so. A floor person told me it is because the casino is actually paying for it and not just giving it away. I assume that means it appears differently on thir P/L than it would if they just gave it away. Of course his opinion on how they do it is probably wrong but I have been curious. Any ideas?



No idea but even though I did not partake it was nice to hear they are offering it free even during a trourney. Weird for me I played thursday and no booze but friday they announced free booze.
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June 13th, 2015 at 3:35:29 PM permalink
Free booze was ever against the law in PA, but that some casino to appease the local bar owners, promised not to offer free drinks. When the Meadows first opened, I noticed that they also used local business a lot more in their promotions, especially with gift card. I can see why The Rivers won't want to offer free booze with their almost downtown location.

From a 2006 Pittsburgh P-G article
He said The Meadows' pay-for-alcohol policy will be based in part on consideration for restaurants and taverns, which can't offer free drinks. He added, however, that in creating its list of player comps based on their volume of play and amount wagered, the racino might make cocktails a basic perk they could choose. The Meadows might also become more generous with alcohol to all players if competition from other casinos dictates it, Mr. Paulos said.
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June 13th, 2015 at 4:21:29 PM permalink
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Of course his opinion on how they do it is probably wrong but I have been curious. Any ideas?



It's surprising how many people just make up answers. His opinion is not based on anything,

Casinos cannot serve alcohol between 2AM and 6AM. They are permitted to give away drinks at their own volition. As DUIs are up near casinos, I am sure that they are careful. PA is not NV and is historically extremely conservative about booze.

Of course the reason that DUIs are up is just because there is much more traffic after the casino opens.

Table games for first 10 months of this fiscal year
-11.02% HARRAH'S PHILADELPHIA
-8.05% VALLEYFORGE- mini casino
-0.29% PENN NATIONAL
-0.23% THE MEADOWS
4.39% THE RIVERS
4.95% MOUNT AIRY
8.13% PRESQUE ISLE
8.50% SUGARHOUSE
9.12% MOHEGAN SUN
10.71% PARX
13.08% SANDS BETHLEHEM
13.17% NEMACOLIN - mini casino

5.92% TOTAL

Table games are taxed at 1/4 the rate of slot machines.
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:27:36 PM permalink
Thanks for the answers. I never play on the east. I remember them saying they wouldn't have free drinks but didn't realize it was by choice.
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:32:08 PM permalink
What is the current license situation in PA? Does the new Philly location have the last available license?
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June 13th, 2015 at 7:50:30 PM permalink
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What is the current license situation in PA? Does the new Philly location have the last available license?


There is a racino track license available that is meant for New Castle PA, but this project has been stuck in the financing stage for over 5 years and there are some vague threats that this license could move to another part of the state if the parties don't get their act together.
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June 14th, 2015 at 4:31:03 PM permalink
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There is a racino track license available that is meant for New Castle PA, but this project has been stuck in the financing stage for over 5 years and there are some vague threats that this license could move to another part of the state if the parties don't get their act together.



Actually the law does limit it to one more racino and one more mini casino (after July 20, 2017).
Limits in 2004 Law.
There are currently 6 racing casinos, and the law limits it to 7 total. If New Castle crumbles than it can only be replaced with another racino (not a casino).
There are currently 4 standalone casinos, the Philly Sports casino will make 5 which is the legal limit.
There are currently 2 "resort" mini-casinos, Valley Forge and Nemacolin. The law limits it to a maximum of three


There are plans to build a racino in Austintown Ohio, only 35 miles from New Castle. With the 2012 opening of a casino in Cleveland, and the existing racino in Presque Isle, Erie PA. the market seems more than saturated. Presque Isle is the smallest of the full size casinos, and revenue is dropping rapidly and is expected to get worse with Austinland. Presque Isle may drop below Valley Forge mini casino. The addition of another racino in New Castle seems almost insane.

The mini casinos were supposed to bring high end tourism into the state. The model was Greenbrier in West Virginia. Nemacolin fits the bill as it is an ultra expensive golf resort. Valley Forge was controversial because although it is a convention center, it is also a suburban location. Many people felt that was not the true intent of the law.
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June 14th, 2015 at 4:52:52 PM permalink
Hollywood Gaming at Mahoning Valley Race Course has already opened in Youngstown Ohio only 25 miles from New Castle (edit) PA. If they must built a casino in W. PA I think that the Grove City/Slippery Rock area would be better, but still not a very good idea.

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