pechanga craps observation

I decided to visit pechanga based on some info that stated these guys had switched over to the same setup as barona. They only have two tables for craps. Their setup is a shuffler to handle two different colored sets of cards A-6. Looks like they put one set in one holder and the other set in another holder. It looked to be the same set of cards each time. I figured with this randomization to just bet conservatively with place bets on the 5,6,8 and a field bet hoping for a little run. Well at the end of this roll the craps dealer said that was a nice 40 minute roll. Myself didn't do much but a guy at the opposite end had been pressing his place bets and colored out for 2 grand. Funny thing was at my end there was a guy betting the dark side who was taking it in the shorts he would always lay the odds for multiple numbers.

Quote: Yokeoh

I decided to visit pechanga based on some info that stated these guys had switched over to the same setup as barona.

I think that is not correct as I visited both last month

Quote: Yokeoh

They only have two tables for craps.

they told me they have had 2 tables since the new casino was built years ago and at least one is open 24/7

Quote: Yokeoh

Their setup is a shuffler to handle two different colored sets of cards A-6.

looks to me the shuffler chooses one card from each 6 just like your computer does
simple and easy

Quote: Yokeoh

<snip>Well at the end of this roll the craps dealer said that was a nice 40 minute roll.

very nice
but no one does any rolling

so the hand length was what it was
How many rolls did you count, if I ask.

I have played there and when new players are there it takes about 2 minutes per *roll*
because they (newbies) ask so many questions and it takes so much time for the answers to be given and understood

I like Harrahs a lot better and they have the Fire Bet and dice to roll
at least the feel of craps

fyi,
Casino Morongo told me last month they were bringing back their removed Craps table
but did not know exactly when that would happen
Not holding my breath

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Myself didn't do much <snip>

40 minutes and you did not clean house?

what were you doing then other than the
yuk yuk huh Iron Cross betting system system system?

"knock knock"
Sally

so the hand length was what it was
How many rolls did you count, if I ask.

>> i wasn't there at the beginning and I don't know what the count was. The only place where i recall seeing a counter is the fremont casino in vegas. Everybody at the table looked like veterans nobody was asking questions everybody was just putting down their chips and calling out their bet.

so the hand length was what it was
How many rolls did you count, if I ask.

>> i was not there for the entire 40 minutes. Also, i'm conservative i play with a short bankroll

I like Harrahs a lot better and they have the Fire Bet and dice to roll
at least the feel of craps

>> its been a little while but i thought either pala or harrahs deals the cards facedown and then you roll dice. whats the use of rolling dice then?

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The only place where i recall seeing a counter is the fremont casino in vegas. Everybody at the table looked like veterans nobody was asking questions everybody was just putting down their chips and calling out their bet.

I play there also not because many Asians and Hawaiians do

I like the buffet, many do not

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>> its been a little while but i thought either pala or harrahs deals the cards facedown and then you roll dice. whats the use of rolling dice then?

the dice point to which cards are flipped face up and the total of the two cards become the roll number

CA law only is for games of chance that use cards, it goes back to the gold rush days and no one has voted to ever change it
Alan Mendleson, get it done!

just something different
I win playing all the ways in CA
just lucky, I know


but just playing craps is fun

no matter the size of the bankroll

not sorry to hear about the small bankroll
I love to hear about large bankrolls that get slaughtered
makes me feel great

Sally

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CA law only is for games of chance that use cards, it goes back to the gold rush days and no one has voted to ever change it

Actually, the law that applies to tribal casinos is a lot newer than "gold rush days", but it is in the state Constitution, so it's not merely something the Assembly can change:

Quote: California State Constitution, Article 4, Section 19(e)

Notwithstanding subdivisions (a) and (e), and any other provision of state law, the Governor is authorized to negotiate and conclude compacts, subject to ratification by the Legislature, for the operation of slot machines and for the conduct of lottery games and banking and percentage card games by federally recognized Indian tribes on Indian lands in California in accordance with federal law. Accordingly, slot machines, lottery games, and banking and percentage card games are hereby permitted to be conducted and operated on tribal lands subject to those compacts.

Subdivision (e) says, "The Legislature has no power to authorize, and shall prohibit, casinos of the type currently operating in Nevada and New Jersey" - this was added in the ballot proposition that authorized the state to run lotteries; subdivision (a) says that lottery tickets, except for lotteries in which the state is involved, cannot be sold.

Note that newer (2010 or so) compacts, as well as renegotiated ones since that time, specifically ban both "games that use physical dice" and "any form of roulette".

Viejas just renegotiated their compact so they could lower the amount paid to the state from a fixed amount to a percentage. They expect it will save them about $3 million per year. They still have craps with dice but I heard a dealer say "we have to call them cubes not dice". LOL