100xOdds
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October 13th, 2017 at 6:19:51 AM permalink
https://tropicana.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/21558-AC-TA-Fact-Folder-917-BR-v27.pdf

Receive 10 Tier points for every $1 in theoretical.
thus 1 tier point = $10 in theo loss.

so if a vp game is 99%, then it's 1 point = $1000 coin-in.
To get a mid-level tier like Gold (20k points), it's $20M coin-in?!

This right?
If so, that's INSANE!
How the hell are they voted best Players Club in AC for 2016+2017?!

I guess this is one way the casino is weeding out smart players from playing there...
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Oct 13, 2017
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October 13th, 2017 at 6:59:06 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

https://tropicana.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/21558-AC-TA-Fact-Folder-917-BR-v27.pdf

Receive 10 Tier points for every $1 in theoretical.
thus 1 tier point = $10 in theo loss.

so if a vp game is 99%, then it's 1 point = $1000 coin-in.
To get a mid-level tier like Gold (20k points), it's $20M coin-in?!

This right?
If so, that's INSANE!
How the hell are they voted best Players Club in AC for 2016+2017?!

I guess this is one way the casino is weeding out smart players from playing...



No thats not correct

Trop ac has a bi-point system. There are tier credits and some other name for the other. One tier credit = 100 of the other points if i remember correctly

Card status points are based on the "cheaper" points. So 20k points is equal to 2000 tier and is what u need

I hav to admit getting card levels and comps is easiest at the trop

What is crazy is they are the sweatiest with comps as well. U must maintain the SAME average coin in wen claiming comps or ur card will b locked. Only 2 days of gambling under ur average coin in can do it

Even taking a hotel room or using ur points for purchases on a non gambling day can result in ur offers suspended there
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October 13th, 2017 at 7:33:10 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

https://tropicana.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/21558-AC-TA-Fact-Folder-917-BR-v27.pdf

Receive 10 Tier points for every $1 in theoretical.
thus 1 tier point = $10 in theo loss.

so if a vp game is 99%, then it's 1 point = $1000 coin-in.
To get a mid-level tier like Gold (20k points), it's $20M coin-in?!

This right?
If so, that's INSANE!
How the hell are they voted best Players Club in AC for 2016+2017?!

I guess this is one way the casino is weeding out smart players from playing...



If $10 = 1 tier point then

$1 = $.10, not $10.

Tier points are different from

Promo points, which are

$100 = 1 promo pt. on a 99% game.

You're earning both.

I haven't been there in years, and that brochure didn't show tier levels or benefits as such, but there may be multipliers at different tier levels, an exchange rate that varies for promo point redemption, other unsaid things.

But (I think they're saying)200k coin in would earn Gold tier status, if it takes 20k points as you said above, to be Gold.

It would also earn 2k in promo pts. Those appear to be useful for food, gift shop, etc. It doesn't list a redemption ratio (conversion rate) if you want those pts as freeplay. Might be a higher tier perk to get them that way.

It doesn't say how much bounceback money you would be offered, except to say you must be at least Copper to get the money offers. That probably depends on a more complicated adt formula. But bounce back amounts would be separate and additional to tier credits and promo credits.

I could easily be misunderstanding something they're doing. But it could just be badly written.
Last edited by: beachbumbabs on Oct 13, 2017
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October 13th, 2017 at 8:03:16 AM permalink
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If 10 Tier points for every $1, then 1 tier point = $0.10.

Tier points are different from Promo points, which are
$100 = 1 promo pt. on a 99% game.

You're earning both.

I haven't been there in years, and that brochure didn't show tier levels or benefits as such, but there may be multipliers at different tier levels, an exchange rate that varies for promo point redemption, other unsaid things.

But (I think they're saying) 200k coin in would earn Gold tier status, if it takes 20k points as you said above, to be Gold.

It would also earn 2k in promo pts. Those appear to be useful for food, gift shop, etc. It doesn't list a redemption ratio (conversion rate) if you want those pts as freeplay. Might be a higher tier perk to get them that way.

It doesn't say how much bounceback money you would be offered, except to say you must be at least Copper to get the money offers. That probably depends on a more complicated adt formula. But bounce back amounts would be separate and additional to tier credits and promo credits.

I could easily be misunderstanding something they're doing. But it could just be badly written.

whoops.. yeah.. 1 tier point = $0.10

so for a 99% game, 1 point = $10 coin in, not $1000.
20k points for Gold = $200k coin-in like you said.

still kinda steep for a mid-lvl tier, especially when The Caesar's equivalent (Diamond) only requires $50k coin-in (if you max out the bonus tier points).
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October 13th, 2017 at 5:57:36 PM permalink
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https://tropicana.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/21558-AC-TA-Fact-Folder-917-BR-v27.pdf

Receive 10 Tier points for every $1 in theoretical.



This is interesting for two reasons:

1) They have leveled the playing field with respect to games on their floor. Effectively, all games are equal (have the same expected total loss) for a given point amount/card level. I assume they have no games at or above 100% (long-term), otherwise you’d earn negative points.

2) You can determine something about every machine on the floor by playing and observing points earned for coin in... Need I elaborate? Feel free to PM.

Makes me wonder how many other casinos use a similar calculation without specifying.

Hmmm... Very interesting...!
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October 14th, 2017 at 6:59:43 AM permalink
Quote: camapl

This is interesting for two reasons:

1) They have leveled the playing field with respect to games on their floor. Effectively, all games are equal (have the same expected total loss) for a given point amount/card level. I assume they have no games at or above 100% (long-term), otherwise you’d earn negative points.

2) You can determine something about every machine on the floor by playing and observing points earned for coin in... Need I elaborate? Feel free to PM.

Makes me wonder how many other casinos use a similar calculation without specifying.

Hmmm... Very interesting...!



Yeah, noticed that, too. Didn't want to elaborate.
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