RossH
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August 24th, 2015 at 4:07:53 PM permalink
Just posting once again to warn those of you who might be coming from the north that on Weds. 8/26 a rap concert is going to be taking place at PNC Bank Arts Center. Last time there was a rap concert there a shooting took place. As we have seen in the past this year the NJ State Police cannot handle rap concerts on their turf. If you are driving down Weds avoid stopping at the Cheesequake Service area as well as in the area of exits 116. Here is proof as to why the area should be avoided. Take extra caution and stay safe. Ross

http://www.the411online.com/news/02170602.html

http://freemuse.org/archives/627
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/22/nyregion/metro-briefing-new-jersey-atlantic-city-rap-festival-canceled.html

http://www.northjersey.com/story-archives/5-shootings-in-atlantic-city-2-killed-1.1206326

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Caught-on-Camera-4th-of-July-Boardwalk-Shooting-Atlantic-City-125177899.html

http://nypost.com/2015/06/08/arrests-chaos-after-crowds-rush-hip-hop-concert-at-nj-stadium/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/summer-jam-concert-chaos-ends-61-arrests-10-cops-hurt-article-1.2250696

http://www.app.com/story/news/crime/jersey-mayhem/2015/08/04/reports-shooting-pnc-arts-center-concert/31091799/[/
mcallister3200
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August 24th, 2015 at 4:45:48 PM permalink
Here we go again.....
aerules
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August 24th, 2015 at 5:54:19 PM permalink
Ross I'm not sure what your problem is. The NJ State police are some of the best law enforcement officals in the world.
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dave12038457
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August 24th, 2015 at 8:29:25 PM permalink
If things go South at this concert don't expect the full co-operation of the police in quelling any disturbances.
Many police departments are taking a far less aggressive approach when dealing with public disturbances.
This is a direct result of prosecutors bowing to public pressure to charge cops who are forced to legitimately defend themselves in dangerous situations.
Gandler
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August 24th, 2015 at 8:37:11 PM permalink
Quote: dave12038457

If things go South at this concert don't expect the full co-operation of the police in quelling any disturbances.
Many police departments are taking a far less aggressive approach when dealing with public disturbances.
This is a direct result of prosecutors bowing to public pressure to charge cops who are forced to legitimately defend themselves in dangerous situations.



Yeah its a shame, due to misinformation a lot of the public is against the police using violence and weapons.

This causes a huge increased risk in these types of events because people will know that they can safely push the limits with little consequence.

We live in a world where you can attack somebody but if he shoots back he needs to be vilified. Its a disgusting culture where people are siding with thugs over law enforcement.

Its beyond cops, you can even go back to Zimmerman, a volunteer trying to help his community, still vilified to this day despite being cleared by the court and every investigation.

I am no advocate of police brutality, and I have been a long supporter of police body cameras (I like surveillance as many places as possible), but even when the evidence clearly shows the officer was attacked, the thug still gets defended by certain movements usually with the rhetoric "oh he should have used pepper spray first, why does he reach for his gun".... Society is going down hill fast, because being a thug is glorified and defended.
MrV
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August 24th, 2015 at 8:56:40 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Society is going down hill fast, because being a thug is glorified and defended.



Back in my day, the "thugs" all carried six shooters and Winchesters and wore cowboy boots and hats.

They shot each other for no really good reason, and by god, they liked it!

We liked it, too, in fact we thought they were just grand!

Back in my day.



The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Gandler
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August 24th, 2015 at 9:01:54 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Back in my day, the "thugs" all carried six shooters and Winchesters and wore cowboy boots and hats.

They shot each other for no really good reason, and by god, they liked it!

We liked it, too, in fact we thought they were just grand!

Back in my day.



The more things change, the more they stay the same.





Yeah, but police also had a lot more freedom to deal with them.
MrV
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August 24th, 2015 at 9:06:34 PM permalink
That's not the point.

The point is that society glorifies gangsta rappers today the same way our forebearers glorified western outlaws.
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Gandler
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August 24th, 2015 at 9:17:28 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

That's not the point.

The point is that society glorifies gangsta rappers today the same way our forebearers glorified western outlaws.




Perhaps, but people did not riot when Wyatt Earp killed somebody in self defense.

Now people actively take a firm (and often violent IE: riot) stand against police even when even investigation and rational evaluation points to the police were justified to take the action that they did.

I was never raised to glorify outlaws of any kind. Rap is fine (I don't care for it musically except for a select few that I enjoy, but I have no hatred of it), rock is fine, anything is fine. Its not even the lyrics that bother me, violent lyrics are fine, I don't care. But, using a public platform to appeal to a crowd and spread misinformation about an event to cause divides and uproars is not fine. We live in a time when people thrive on feeling like a victim and "us vs them" attitudes are always encouraged. The cops defend themselves, they were acting brutally. Some gang banger shoots a cop, its because he was raised in a culture of oppression. People burn down a city while looting liquor stores, its because of systematic oppression. Nobody is responsible for their actions, they were forced to be useless gang bangers because society was mean to them.

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