Atlantic City Open Forum

They could put those hand sanitizer dispensers around the poker room. Anybody coming into the game, or returning from the restroom, could be expected to grab a dab of it as they sit down.

Quote: RaleighCraps

I am basing my comments off of this post that states that Borgota has the cleanest bathrooms in AC.
So apparently Borgota does invest time and money into their bathrooms. It also sounds like Borgota has also decided the people using the bathrooms near the poker room are pigs, and have decided minimal or routine maintenance is what they are going to get.
Sorry soda, but I stand by my position that the players have no one to blame but themselves. It sucks to be one of the people who actually has some etiquette and bathroom decorum, and have to live with what your fellow players are leaving behind. But yes, the answer is not to have Borgota spend more on attendants (would you want that job?) to babysit, but take some action that addresses the problem at the source, which is the players.

I would start with a policy that states, "due to everyone handling cards, all players visiting the bathroom must wash their hands" and then figure out a way to enforce it. Being forced to leave a table for an hour would have an affect.

So now you are saying Borgata should invest the time and money to enforce a much more aggressive bathroom policy (all patrons must wash hands), but you were against Borgata investing time and money for routine maintenance like cleaning toilets and mopping floors? Your position doesn't make much sense to me.

Quote: beachbumbabs

They could put those hand sanitizer dispensers around the poker room. Anybody coming into the game, or returning from the restroom, could be expected to grab a dab of it as they sit down.

They installed hand sanitizer dispensers in the poker room after the flu pandemic scare a few years ago. They have been empty for some time now.

Last weekend was the first time I ever even ventured into a poker room at any casino. My brother in law likes poker so I sat and watched him play. The level of hygiene amongst the players at the table was, at best, sub-par. I do not know how people can eat at the table with the odors being emitted from the other players - at one point, I could not discern whether the guy next to me smelled like bologna or someone was eating a bologna sandwich at another table.

Quote: sodawater

So now you are saying Borgata should invest the time and money to enforce a much more aggressive bathroom policy (all patrons must wash hands), but you were against Borgata investing time and money for routine maintenance like cleaning toilets and mopping floors? Your position doesn't make much sense to me.

Honestly washing your hands is far more important than a bathroom being spotless. You can have a bathroom that is spotless and has 10 constant attendants working on it. If customers do not wash their hands, then diseases and bacteria will still spread. Washing your hands regularly is the best method for preventing the spread of unwanted microbes.
In fact I would rather have a filthy bathroom where everyone washes there hands afterwards than a spotless one where people don't.

Redux -excerpts written written 5/21, before the closings- by a very popular travel blogger

"The Saddest Tourist Destination in the United States Has Just Gotten Even Worse"

"On its face Atlantic City should have every conceivable destination. Not only is there beach and gambling, but proximity to Manhattan — as a population center and financial center. Who should need Vegas, when you have Vegas-on-the-Beach accessible by car?

There’s this thing in travel, though. We’re not supposed to say that destinations are awful, even when they are. We say things like we “didn’t connect with” someplace we went, as though it was our fault or the destination wasn’t for us even though we all presume that it was – of course – special. We just didn’t get it. We failed.

Sometimes a place can be a cesspool though. Sadly, that’s Atlantic City, although it really shouldn’t be.

There are some truly awful places in the world. You’re not supposed to say that about tourist destinations, you’re supposed to marvel in them or at least find what’s special about them. But Atlantic City’s and New Jersey’s political class have done such terrible things to the place that I find it impossible to do that. As they say, ‘if you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got.’ And here, they seem to be repeating the same sort of cronyism that’s just taken from local residents and given to big businesses without doing a thing to improve the community."

http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2014/05/21/saddest-tourist-destination-united-states-just-gotten-even-worse/

Quote: Gandler

Honestly washing your hands is far more important than a bathroom being spotless. You can have a bathroom that is spotless and has 10 constant attendants working on it. If customers do not wash their hands, then diseases and bacteria will still spread. Washing your hands regularly is the best method for preventing the spread of unwanted microbes.
In fact I would rather have a filthy bathroom where everyone washes there hands afterwards than a spotless one where people don't.

I totally agree. I wash my hands so many times per day, people think I have OCD. It's the best way to prevent being sick.

But in the real world, if Borgata doesn't give a "shit" about the clogged/unflushed toilets and smoking in the bathroom, no way it is going to enforce a policy requiring all patrons to wash their hands.

They already have a policy not allowing smoking in the bathroom, and that's a lot easier to enforce -- and they don't enforce it at all.

Quote: sodawater

People rarely flush the toilets after crapping.

This is also the case at my local casino, which BTW doesn't have a poker room. What's with that?

AC has been robbed for years. Casinos were forced to conduct high negativity games and slots. It explains the low demand and the downfall of the city.

Quote: Dicenor33

AC has been robbed for years. Casinos were forced to conduct high negativity games and slots. It explains the low demand and the downfall of the city.

I almost think it is the opposite when it comes to slots. They don't seem to get the newest machines which are licensed and generally have a higher edge. My local casino has just about every new game out there and each one of them are full all the time. Even at the showboat, last week I saw maybe 15 of the newer machines and all 15 had people on them the entire time I was there.

Anybody remember this theme song from the radio and TV commercials for Bally's AC casino from the early eighties

Every time you walk in the place, you'll think it's a fucking disgrace, Bally's Park Place. I knew some dealers who worked there back then and sang the song on bus that took employees back to the parking area on the AC Expressway.

Wonder what the mood there will be like this weekend.

See ya, Revel.

Quote: Boz

Wow, what do you say to that?? Cosmo in Vegas, with no links to other casinos just reported a 40% increase in gaming revenue because they started MARKETING their casino. Considering 90%+ of the players who visit Vegas are tied to MGM, CZR, Wynn or Venetian and their player programs, these players must be coming from somewhere. Yes I know AC and Vegas are different, but it shows someone can grow if they try to attract players. UK, Kevin and the rest of that crew never understood that and expected people to just come to them because they are new.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/cosmopolitan-las-vegas-trims-loss-sees-revenue-grow

In fairness, the non smoking thing was a "Game changer" for Revel - as Uk predicted?

Quote: onenickelmiracle

What about Showboat? Would Caesars ever sell? I don't think they would for any price.

Okay, here's the latest plan for that, according to a guy named Vinny who says his mom always considered his word totally reliable: After some magical legal paper shuffling, the twenty-billion or so in company-wide debt no longer attaches to Caesars Palace and the Paris and Flamingo Las Vegas and suchlike at all, but instead is now going to be entirely secured solely by the assets of the fabulous Showboat in beautiful Jersey. And the bondholders will soon each be the proud owners of about six slightly soiled carpet fibers and a souvenir ashtray upon default & foreclosure.

Quote: DrawingDead

Okay, here's the latest plan for that, according to a guy named Vinny who says his mom always considered his word totally reliable: After some magical legal paper shuffling, the twenty-billion or so in company-wide debt no longer attaches to Caesars Palace and the Paris and Flamingo Las Vegas and suchlike at all, but instead is now going to be entirely secured solely by the assets of the fabulous Showboat in beautiful Jersey. And the bondholders will soon each be the proud owners of about six slightly soiled carpet fibers and a souvenir ashtray upon default & foreclosure.

Not only Showboat BUT BALLY"S AC AND CEASARS AC were NOT protected by CZR in the inevitable upcoming CZR "debt restructuring" (some predict bankruptcy).

The only protected AC casino was Harrah's - so the fate of TWO MORE AC casinos is uncertain.

I'm surprised there hasn't been any press coverage re BALLY"S AC AND CEASARS AC , but the deal is so complicated, few reporters get it.

Evidence is that already, not only Showboat, but Harrahs Tunica, were abruptly closed by CZR with no attempted sale evident .

They were lumped into CZR's "dog" casino group ("Caesars Entertainment Operating Company") - as is BALLY"S AC AND CEASARS AC which CZR is acting as if it wants to wash its hands of, while cherry picking a handful of its profitable casinos into 2 new protected divisions.

"After recent maneuvering, Caesars consists of three companies: Caesars Entertainment Operating Company, Caesars Entertainment Resort Properties, and Caesars Growth Partners, which is part-owned by Caesars Acquisition Company (NASDAQ: CACQ ) . We have to take some of the operating results piece by piece.

During the past year, Caesars has been pushing assets down to subsidiaries like Caesars Entertainment Resort Properties and Caesars Growth Partners. The former now owns the Harrah's Atlantic City, Harrah's Las Vegas, Paris, Flamingo, Rio, Octavius Tower at Caesars Palace, and Project Linq real estate assets in Las Vegas. Caesars Growth Partners owns Planet Hollywood, Caesars' online gaming assets, and recently announced the acquisition of Bally's Las Vegas, The Cromwell, The Quad, and Harrah's New Orleans for $2.2 billion.

The shift of assets leaves much of the debt with Caesars Operating Company, which would leave value with those companies if Caesars Operating Company files for bankruptcy. At least that's what management thinks, but it would likely be a huge fight for assets if bankruptcy does ensue."

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/12/caesars-entertainment-corps-reshuffling-doesnt-hid.aspx

OK then here we go!
Deutsche bank predicts A.C. will have 6 casinos by 2017.
They are predicting Borgota, Harrahs, Golden Nugget, Tropicana, Bally's and Caesars will remain.
I am not certain I am in agreement of their assessment. Golden Nugget though totally remodeled is still loosing money.
Taj Mahal while slipping, is still profitable and will certainly get a bump from Trump Plaza and other closings.
What are your thoughts on this latest REVELation?
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/deutsche-bank-predicts-ac-will-have-six-not-casinos-by/article_8d9b07c8-23d0-11e4-8f23-001a4bcf887a.html

As an addendum Caesars ent. is looking to split off it's loyalty program "Total Rewards"
Oh how the plot thickens!
http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/caesars-owners-seek-to-split-off-loyalty-program/

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They want the "brick and mortar" casinos to lose many, go bankrupt and restructure their debt.

Quote: dave12038457

OK then here we go!
Deutsche bank predicts A.C. will have 6 casinos by 2017.
They are predicting Borgota, Harrahs, Golden Nugget, Tropicana, Bally's and Caesars will remain.
I am not certain I am in agreement of their assessment. Golden Nugget though totally remodeled is still loosing money.
Taj Mahal while slipping, is still profitable and will certainly get a bump from Trump Plaza and other closings.
What are your thoughts on this latest REVELation?
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/deutsche-bank-predicts-ac-will-have-six-not-casinos-by/article_8d9b07c8-23d0-11e4-8f23-001a4bcf887a.html

Can't see it, but the bank knows more of what cannot be seen than us. Too hard to predict because legislative action can change almost anything. I'm just glad to have been there once before the cards tumbled.

It is just a "prediction" but time will tell. I am thinking the remaining casinos will get a bump in business with the closing of a few casinos.
However, long term having empty casinos will only further tarnish the image of A.C.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

" In a bid to salvage their investment in the casino giant, Apollo and TPG last year split the chain into three companies — including one with faster-growing online assets and another with troubled brick-and-mortar casino operations."

The FIRST thing they should have done was get rid of that fat piece of trash Loveman.

We went to AC last week. One of my plans was to spend as many of my CET points as possible. Between my wife and I we had 190,000 or so points (all from the races). We stayed for 5 days and basically only ate at CET properties. I only used 30,000 so I still have 160k. I am worried that one day they will do something to devalue these or eliminate them in bankruptcy.

I wouldn't worry about losing your comps. You sound like someone they want to keep as a customer. Here in NJ even when casinos close we get match offers from other casinos and unaffiliated casinos sell their database of customers. You play enough to have considerable value as a customer.

Quote: dave12038457

I wouldn't worry about losing your comps. You sound like someone they want to keep as a customer. Here in NJ even when casinos close we get match offers from other casinos and unaffiliated casinos sell their database of customers. You play enough to have considerable value as a customer.

lol that is funny. I play nothing, I am the exact person a casino does not want.

Last week we stayed for 4 nights at SB. Using both of our cards we had all 4 nights comped. I used points to eat all meals. In the 5 days we were there I only accumulated 750 tier credits playing slots, VP, and tables.

Looks like the boys are back at it, closing the "Caesars seeks to split off TR" post on TA. I guess all they want is for their 3 or 4 promoting posters to sit in a circle and sing kumbaya together. Or they can let UK post about how other posters on travel forums killed Revel, or whatever his excuse is this week for its failure. Naturally blaming the decisions Kevin made (and he shilled) will not be part of that process.

If between your wife and yourself you have/had 190,000 points earned at one of their facilities, they want your business.

Quote: dave12038457

If between your wife and yourself you have/had 190,000 points earned at one of their facilities, they want your business.

If we actually earned them then yes. We received all of them through the race to rewards a few years back. Between the 2 years I think we each earned 125k. The first year you only had to earn 1 point which we did. The second year you had to earn 25 I think. I earned the bare minimum each time.

Quote: dave12038457

I wouldn't worry about losing your comps. You sound like someone they want to keep as a customer. Here in NJ even when casinos close we get match offers from other casinos and unaffiliated casinos sell their database of customers. You play enough to have considerable value as a customer.

When Harrah's St. Louis sold to Penn Gaming (Hollywood), most of my RCs were matched by Hollywood. And 90%+ of those were earned by the "Race to Rewards".

Quote: tringlomane

When Harrah's St. Louis sold to Penn Gaming (Hollywood), most of my RCs were matched by Hollywood. And 90%+ of those were earned by the "Race to Rewards".

so you received rewards from Penn plus you still have CET's, or did you lose them since it was your "home" casino?

NY post - How banning gambling can save Atlantic City

This makes a strong case for what was done wrong, but IMO fails to explain how exactly a gambling ban would benefit AC (making it a family resort, in a crime ridden area, 3mos ayear, wont pay the bills IMO)

It seems to me like AC is teetering on becoming >half a Detroit

- take the remaining casinos away & you have the "Full Monty".

"It’s time for one last-ditch effort to save Atlantic City. They’ve tried everything else, so why not this one: Make gambling illegal.
Now is as good a time as any to call it: Atlantic City is dead. The 1970s gambling experiment is a dismal failure that failed to bring lasting economic development.
The Revel, a gigantic, 57-story casino and hotel that is the state’s second-tallest building, was meant to revitalize and rebrand the city, but this week it announced it will close its doors within a month, destroying 3,100 jobs after only two money-losing years.
Gov. Chris Christie lavished the project with $261 million in tax incentives.
That signaled a total reversal of the argument for legalized gambling — instead of an instance of government getting out of the way to allow private businesses to create jobs and tax revenue, it turned into government picking winners and channeling subsidies from taxpayers to multibillion-dollar banks and hedge funds.
As for employment, that $261 million government gamble represents $84,000 for each of those mostly menial two-year jobs.
Not that Christie is the one who created the Petri dish of corruption that is New Jersey. A state agency created to require casinos to reinvest their profits in the rest of the community was reconfigured in 1993 — to allow casinos to instead reinvest that money in…casinos.
The next time you get a chance to vote on legalized gambling, remember: The house always wins.
Revel is the fourth casino to close this year in AC, where only nine are left. Revenues are down by almost 50% since just 2006.
“On a recent visit,” reported Fox Business, “both ‘M’s in the brightly lit entrance to Trump Taj Mahal had burned out, leaving a huge welcoming sign that read Tru p Taj ahal.”
Donald Trump is suing to have his name taken off the joint, of which he no longer owns any part.
Legalizing gambling seemed like a strong idea in 1976, when the referendum that created a bettors’ mecca in AC passed.
People are always going to want to bet, and bringing that activity out into the open promised to attract splashy investment with dazzling new resorts and create lots of jobs that would pump up tax revenues.
These things happened. But the jobs were mainly dismal service gigs, the investment was limited to a thin ribbon of development on the boardwalk and the additional tax revenue came at a cost of so much sleaze and unease that other businesses, and their tax revenues, steered clear.
Economic development is a marathon; legalized gambling a can of Mountain Dew.
It may give you a spurt of energy, but it won’t get you to the finish line.
Gambling simply isn’t like other forms of entertainment — it feeds on desperation and addiction, creating pawn shops and trailer parks instead of a middle class.
You don’t see a row of seedy little stores offering to pay cash for jewelry across the street from the multiplex because “Transformers 4” customers don’t get so attached to the frenzy that they have to stay in the theater all day and all night.
Thirty-eight years into the gambling experiment, unemployment in AC is still at 18%. Median household income remains less than half of what it is in New Jersey as a whole.
The poverty rate in the city went from 22.5% in 1970 to 29.3% in 2011.
And the promised tax revenues? In the gambling era, New Jersey went from the fifth-most highly taxed state to second in the nation (behind New York).
Las Vegas managed to diversify beyond casinos, adding quality restaurants and nightlife. AC didn’t, and as competitors sprouted up in Pennsylvania and Connecticut — and even in Queens, where the Aqueduct racetrack casino near JFK Airport opened three years ago — its fortunes continued to sag.
Gambling (like porn) would create less blight if people participated in it privately online, at home, though you could argue that as a small element of a well-rounded economy, it doesn’t cause much harm to its surroundings.
But Atlantic City is Exhibit A for how not to do gambling, as the single attraction that is supposed to bring in suckers from outside.
What’s the point of throwing more taxpayer money at a failed experiment?
New Jersey should face the reality that AC has been a colossal loser and that it’ll be better off without its temples to addiction. Someday AC could revert to being a charming Jersey Shore destination with low-rise hotels and family fun.
But don’t count on it. Most likely, politicians will continue to talk up AC as though it’s a libertarian wonderland — while frantically shoveling in more taxpayer subsidies conditioned on decisions being made by government commanders in Trenton.
When it comes to gambling with other people’s money, politicians never know when to fold ’em."

http://nypost.com/2014/08/17/how-banning-gambling-can-save-atlantic-city/

Just don't echo every little thing they do there. Morally bankrupt we get it.

Quote: GWAE

so you received rewards from Penn plus you still have CET's, or did you lose them since it was your "home" casino?

I kept all my reward credits too. We sorta hoarded our RCs once we got the word of the sale. We spent a lot of the them already though before the takeover. :( Still was a few hundred each we didn't really deserve.

Gambling has failed Atlantic City for more then one reason.
Casinos were seen as a magic elixir for the ails of A.C. It was thought that legal gambling would greatly revitalize the City. However one problem with the original plan was a casino had to have at least 500 rooms. So when casinos were built they went virtually straight up into the sky. They didn't do anything for the surrounding neighborhood but provide shade. They each became self contained oasis's of splendor amid blight and crime. But people came by the bus loads! Hey it made sense from the casino's point of view to leave surrounding areas blighted, customers would be afraid to leave! If instead casinos had been limited as to how many stories they could have, they would have built horizontally into the neighborhoods instead of vertically into the sky.
The Casino Redevelopment Authority has invested well over 1 billion dollars into the city. The walk, boardwalk facades, parks, and housing.
They have built over 1,000 new housing units for residents. Much of that big empty area behind Revel is called The Inlet Section. It was the worst part of the city. So they built the displaced residents much new housing thinking things would improve. So instead of drug dealers and gang banger running loose in the Inlet Section many now call back Maryland home. They still sell drugs mind you, but live in newer houses.
Atlantic City had a sizeable middle class until the late 1950's. It was about that time that White flight left the city without much of a middle class. The newer residents were poorer, less educated and increasingly Black. Gangs and drug dealers ruined neighborhoods and chased good people of all colors away.
Poverty and crime became the norm not the exception. All the social ills that fell on American cities in the 1960's struck Atlantic City too.
You had multi-generational poverty taking root. All too many people lived life at the fringes of society.
Casinos provided more jobs then there are residents of A.C. However, in Atlantic City as in other urbanized communities many residents fail to take advantage of opportunities and remain impoverished. Nobody had the guts to do what needed to be done. Namely zone much of Atlantic City out of existence. Instead they built even more low income housing! I am of the opinion what the city needs is a middle class. They would bring both stability and a tax base. But the City just isn't even close to being attractive for middle class residents. They had their chance a few decades ago but blew it. Now the City is facing enormous obstacles to becoming a true resort town. Property taxes up by 1/3rd this year alone. Casino closings will affect many Atlantic City residents if they work in a casino or not. Real-estate is getting ready to take a major tumble. Rising taxes and unemployment has people trying to sell. But with all the negative press, buyers are scarce. This only further drives down property values and creates panic selling. I hope to be proven wrong in my opinion but the next 2-4 years will be trying times IMHO. I will close with but one final point. The C.R.D,A, has spent over $30,000 for every man woman and child who calls A.C. home in redevelopment. Atlantic City schools spend something like $24,000 per year per student. Casinos spent many billions on construction and created more jobs then there are residents of A.C. If we learned anything at all from this it's you can't spend your way out of poverty! Poverty is often a culture shared from one generation to the next.

Last time I was in NJ it depressed the crap
out of me. Everything seemed to be falling
apart. Potholes in the roads, rusty stop
signs and street signs, rusty train overpasses,
rusty everything, including cars. For such
a heavily taxed state, what do they spend
the money on? It certainly isn't for upkeep
of the infrastructure of the state.

Quote: dave12038457

Casinos were seen as a magic elixir for the ails of A.C.

But the tax revenue was STATE tax revenue so no one Who cared about the ails of Atlantic City could do one whit about them.

Quote: dave12038457

Thanks for the welcome! I recall you being on the other board.
Atlantic City is a crime infested dump with no place to go but down!
Wow, I feel so much better already

Thinking about it, I don't think Mrs and I ever talk about going to AC. We always say, "You wanna go to Borgata next month?" We never go to the boardwalk side anymore, haven't been to Caesar's or Trop in years.

Quote: EvenBob

Last time I was in NJ it depressed the crap
out of me. Everything seemed to be falling
apart. Potholes in the roads, rusty stop
signs and street signs, rusty train overpasses,
rusty everything, including cars. For such
a heavily taxed state, what do they spend
the money on? It certainly isn't for upkeep
of the infrastructure of the state.

We stayed at SB last week. It is the first time that we have been on that side of the boardwalk. Whenever you come off of the highway you turn left. After 2 blocks you go past the outlet and the streets turn to crap and the houses look like they are falling down. There was a guy about to walk across the street and I sped up because he didn't look safe to walk in front of my car. It is just a horrible area. On the other hand, when we stayed at Atlantic Club and drove down the coast away from the casinos the houses were nice and the roads were maintained. I don't know if that area is part of AC or if it is a different town but the 2 areas are worlds apart.

ETA: I just looked at the map and it looks like I am referring to Ventnor City. How can the 2 areas be so much different yet are so close to each other?

If they get rid of gambling then who the hell would go there. The beach is ok but the boardwalk is pretty crappy. Without the lure of gambling a little at night I could see many of the people who stay there just go somewhere else like Ocean city NJ or MD, Wildwood, or any of the other places with more choices for kids.

Make no bones about it Atlantic City is a challenged community. Call it a hood, ghetto etc. and you will get no disagreement from me.
The thing that irks me to no end is the potential. The opportunities that were squandered.
If you drive down a few miles you enter Margate. A clean safe town. A small 3 bedroom Cape Cod 4 blocks from the beach might sell for over $400,000.
Margate has no casinos, heck Margate doesn't even have a boardwalk. Atlantic City has some nice casinos and restaurants, miles of boardwalk and a free beach. And a ghetto. One of those things is holding the city back. The government on the local and state level have made one bad decision after another.
The John Brooks Recovery Center is located right on Pacific Ave. not far from the casinos. http://jbrcnj.org/
The Atlantic City rescue mission is located behind the new convention center. It is the largest homeless shelter in the state. Some counties in N.J. don't maintain a homeless shelter for their less fortunate people. Instead they buy them a bus ticket to Atlantic City. It's called "Greyhound Therapy." N.J. state prisoners who don't have a family /friends to greet them upon release are given a small sum and a choice of a bus ticket to Camden or Atlantic City and told to check in at the homeless shelter. Atlantic City rescue Mission has a capacity of over 250, and is very often full.http://www.acrescuemission.org/
Also on Pacific Ave you have Sister Jeans soup kitchen. It serves many meals a day to those down on their luck.
http://www.sjworks.org/view/group/713 Look, I am all for helping people who are down on their luck. Many of these people have psychiatric issues or suffer from substance abuse. But these types of facilities are just a little too close to the tourist areas. It is estimated that Atlantic City has on average about 250 homeless people at any given time. This causes problems with panhandling petty crimes etc. Once I saw a man who I assume was homeless pull something out of a trashcan and take a bite. You also had many homeless living under the boardwalk. There even was a name for it. It was called The Underwood Hotel.
Make no mistake about it Atlantic City isn't for everyone. Outside the casinos it can be a dirty dangerous place. Here is a 20/20 special from a few years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA6PPH3xmqw

"Greyhound Therapy" - How the homeless, mentally ill land in Atlantic City

http://articles.philly.com/2012-05-25/news/31839355_1_inlet-section-atlantic-city-rescue-mission-bader-field

And you didnt even touch on the Stanley Holmes Village projects. Not safe in that area 24/7/365.

Oh yes good old Stanley Holmes Village. Has a rather charming name doesn't it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGflmO9gUVc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4F18PMeN6A
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/crime/atlantic-city-police-investigating-shooting-in-stanley-holmes-village/article_786818ba-ef8b-11e3-9fd9-0019bb2963f4.html

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/article_9f7ff7ee-106c-11e0-a066-001cc4c03286.html?mode=image
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/communities/atlantic-city_pleasantville_brigantine/man-shot-in-the-head-at-stanley-holmes-village-in/article_d1cfacd6-93e0-11e2-bcc3-0019bb2963f4.html

exactly - thanks nickel

"Atlantic City Pro-Casino Group Takes Heat After Full-Page Ad Photoshop Fail
The Atlantic City Alliance, a non-profit group supported by casinos that attempts to get you to spend more at casinos, is in some hot water after they purchased and published a full-page ad that appeared in the Star-Ledger, WSJ and Philadelphia Inquirer.

Normally, it wouldn’t be a problem. But after some readers took a closer look, the issue was brought to life when it was noticed that the image in the ad was a rather blatant Photoshopping attempt.
In an effort to combat rough headlines that have been critical of the casino business and industry in the area, the ACA thought a full-page ad with a photograph showing how much fun could be had be might help their cause. However, upon closer inspection of the photograph present in the ad, it’s rather obvious that a number of individuals within the frame were cloned throughout to make the Lady Antebellum concert pictured seem more full than it actually was."

http://petapixel.com/2014/08/17/atlantic-city-pro-casino-group-takes-heat-after-full-page-ad-photoshop-fail/

Posts about Furgeson MO have been split off. That thread was then closed. Take such topics to DT.

Everything is a chess piece for the mbas and politicians.

None of these shelters grew so close to the casinos overnight. None of these Greyhound Therapy programs started last week. I'm sure a few potholes may be recent but most of them have been there for ages. Ask a little kid in AC to draw a picture of a street and the little kid will draw circles in the road ... and then pull a knife on you to get the rest of those crayons.

I view it as STATE taxed gold derived from eggs located in a CITY, with no one held responsible for the long term.

Maybe that is too simplistic maybe there are other stakeholders. I don't really know, but this "rub your eyes and suddenly exclaim: There is a Revel there and its ain't doing too well financially" is for fools.

I had to bust a few posts for over-quoting. Site policy is that you may quote other sources in moderation and with proper attribution. "Moderation" has never been specifically defined, but, if forced, I'd say about five sentences.

Money from Atlantic City casino falls from armored truck's roof, cash missing

" Nearly $21,000 is missing after the cash fell from the roof of an armored truck that had picked it up from a soon-to-be-closed Atlantic City casino.GardaWorld armored car services picked up the cash at Revel on Aug. 6."

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/81e74dcb13cb4fde84312f2dc0cc003b/NJ--Revel-Casino-Missing-Money/

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I had to bust a few posts for over-quoting. Site policy is that you may quote other sources in moderation and with proper attribution. "Moderation" has never been specifically defined, but, if forced, I'd say about five sentences.

Don't worry "B(e) happy"?

>1. Move the casino to the boardwalk level.
That is massively expensive.
>2. Do not make the casino floor into a maze. I still get lost in there.
A few "you are here" signs would be very helpful. Perhaps with a St. Barnard and small brandy keg as a logo.
>3. Have many cheap eat places and a great buffet.
I've no idea quite why but just about everywhere, players do like a food court and a buffet. Now Great Buffet might be a problem.
>4. Get managers who know what they are doing and know how to treat players right.
Now there you really have a problem. Nowadays a casino manager is someone who believes oxygen is pumped in and counters should be shot and half the employees fired so the remaining half will work to death.

It's wait and see now and the wait will be between long and never. Happens all the time in Ohio where there is lots of talk and nothing ever happens. Sounds like the bank owns the casino and banks never have to do anything, never under pressure.