Atlantic City Open Forum
Quote: GWAEDoes anyone care if I do a trip report for AC, or should I just post the basics in this thread.
Please do one! Go into as much detail as you please. Did you walk the Boardwalk? Did you see the cats? Did you swim in the ocean? Was this your first look at Revel? Did you and the kids stand in front of the web cams and call the folks at home to see you on the computer?
Quote: 1BBPlease do one! Go into as much detail as you please. Did you walk the Boardwalk? Did you see the cats? Did you swim in the ocean? Was this your first look at Revel? Did you and the kids stand in front of the web cams and call the folks at home to see you on the computer?
We are leaving right now so hopefully tomorrow I will be able to get it done. We are having our carpets cleaned tomorrow morning. Somehow I thought it would be a good idea to go away for the week and then have to move everything out of living g/dining room for a 9am appointment.
Quote: GWAEWe are leaving right now so hopefully tomorrow I will be able to get it done. We are having our carpets cleaned tomorrow morning. Somehow I thought it would be a good idea to go away for the week and then have to move everything out of living g/dining room for a 9am appointment.
Get hardwood floors.
Quote: 1BBPlease do one! Go into as much detail as you please. Did you walk the Boardwalk? Did you see the cats? Did you swim in the ocean? Was this your first look at Revel? Did you and the kids stand in front of the web cams and call the folks at home to see you on the computer?
Be sure to include pics of every meal you order
and of every slot win you have over $6. And
lots of pics of your room, especially the closet
and bathroom. If the room has a safe, we need
a pic of it open and one of it closed.
Thanks
http://6abc.com/news/investigation-hotel-security-and-violent-takedowns-/249284/
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/2_AC_cops_accused_of_sadistic_attack_at_Harrahs.html
Quote: 7star4nowTonite Harrahs security ABC News investigation on "20/20
Tonight 10:00pm Friday EASTERNtime.
Original filing was the teenage daughter's action filed in Tampa, where the daughter lives. I don't know if this survived Harrah's motions to switch it to a more friendly jurisdiction, Atlantic City.
Quote: FleaStiffTonight 10:00pm Friday EASTERNtime.
Original filing was the teenage daughter's action filed in Tampa, where the daughter lives. I don't know if this survived Harrah's motions to switch it to a more friendly jurisdiction, Atlantic City.
Disappointing.
I think the Binn family has the strongest case. Nothing new and kind of short.
Other 2 cases, dicey. I was hoping for more on the Binn family case. oh well, network TV, at least they covered it.
Quote: bj4funDefinitely thought the basketball player has a strong case. The beating with the night stick was definitely over the top.
The problem with the basketball player is that he should have kept walking out. His friend had the right idea, just get out.
Instead he veered back toward security. Probably just to say a few more words but it was a real bad bad move.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/holiday-hell-atlantic-city-vacationers-describe-roughed-harrahs/story?id=24796522
link to full 20/20 episode (you can watch by logging in with your cable provider id)
http://abc.go.com/shows/2020/listing/2014-08/07-2020-088-surviving-the-summer
Besides out of control security, lousy payback, evaporating player perks, deteriorating properties,etc, etc...
AC has a "legendary " reputation for its "hospitality":
Sure, AC powers that be blame "competition" when they don't "compete" on any level - & that impacts non-gaming visitors they supposedly covet as well:
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/08/07/atlantic-city-ranks-among-least-friendly-u-s-cities-again/
In Reno they started valuing some casinos as non-gambling nightclub space, hotels, garages, etc.
CET gives rooms to get gamblers, CET might buy Revel as Rooms. Local real estate interests might just start looking at a mis managed casino and seeing real estate value aside from gambling. Condominiums? Retirement homes for politicians who steadfastly voted against wise use of gambling revenue? Will Revel wind up being bought by the ACCHOA? (Atlantic City Crack House Owners Association).
Sports betting is almost an afterthought out West. In the East, it is huge. And NJ would once again have the only legal game in town.
Governor Chris Christie vetoed a bill on Friday that would have brought legal sports-betting to New Jersey. The bill (S 2250) was hastily designed by State Senator Raymond Lesniak when judicial efforts failed, and would have allowed private companies to setup sports-betting offices without interference by the state.Quote: sodawaterOnce NJ finds a way to legalize sports gambling, have the AC casinos run it, and let anyone in the state with a cell phone bet on the NFL, there will be a bunch of excitement and investment in AC.
Lesniak's idea was to repeal older laws prohibiting sports-betting in New Jersey, which (in his opinion) would not violate the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act of 1992 (PASPA) as the industry would not be regulated by the state under Lesniak's proposed bill. . . .
Christie's veto would appear to be the final nail in the coffin for legal sports-betting in New Jersey in the near future, and comes on the heels of the Supreme Court of the United States declining to hear the state's challenge to a federal court ruling to PASPA last month, but Lesniak has not thrown in the towel just yet, and is hoping for a legislative override of Christie's veto, or, as he was quoted as saying, they could always "wait until we get another governor." njo
Quote: WizardI am wondering the same thing. Suppose the best offer was Caesars offers to pay $1 and assume the debt for 10 cents on the dollar, which I think they would, and nobody makes a better offer. What would be the downside of the bankruptcy court accepting it?
Somehow it just doesn't seem economically logical to close the building and the creditors get nothing.
I suspect the Revel Board's decision to reject all current bids is tied to undisclosed concerns as to liability held by varied Directors/Officers of the company.
http://www.nj.gov/oag/ge/docs/Financials/MGR2014/201407revenue.pdf
Another bad month in AC with a decrease as reported of 6.6%, although that is removing Atlantic Club numbers so the decrease is even more.
Trop seems to have gained the most from The AC closing, as they should have from purchasing the players list and being the closest location to the former AC.
Revel was going against "You cant lose" promotion, but the decrease in business is huge. Perhaps players stayed away knowing they would be closing or sold.
Golden Nugget is also doing good numbers, so something is working there.
destined to be a resort ghost town. Why not just
close the hotels and just operate the casinos, like
Binions did. It's working for them.
Yeah just hand out pillows and everyone can sleep under the Boardwalk. I don't think the hotels are the problem as much as much as either being unable or unwilling to fill them. Not having hotels can be done to a certain degree with locals joints or when there are others to house people but I don't think this would help them. There seem to be more people thinking it's better just operating the hotels there actually. Seems the interests benefiting all for the city as a whole are conflicted by the individual casinos interests creating a downward spiral. I know they're done but just wonder if this could have been fought off to some degree.Quote: EvenBobWith four casinos closing, and more to follow, it's
destined to be a resort ghost town. Why not just
close the hotels and just operate the casinos, like
Binions did. It's working for them.
There is tons of gambling in California, but people from here still flock to Vegas. The key is that Vegas has more to offer than just gambling.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWhy do tourists go to AC? If it's just for gambling, forget it -- as has been pointed out, more and more states are adding gambling. No one is going to go just for gambling if they can gamble in their home state.
There is tons of gambling in California, but people from here still flock to Vegas. The key is that Vegas has more to offer than just gambling.
Vegas has amazing playing conditions (for baccarat can't say for other games since I don't touch them), awesome accommodations (minus Imperial Palace/The Quad LOL) and great service (The Wynncore, Plazzo/Venetian, Mirage, and Aria). AC on the other hand is total opposite. Playing conditions are horrible (There are eight baccarat tables and you only open two), the hotel rooms are falling a part and needs major renovations, and the service is below par.
Even though AC is much closer I would rather torture myself for that six hour flight on my flying carpet and enjoy the total experience of Vegas. I might pay attention again towards North East gaming if Wynn gets that license for Everett, MA or if he ever gets to build in my state.
Steve Wynn got it right regarding AC that was why he left the city and that was in the early 80s.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceWhy do tourists go to AC? If it's just for gambling, forget it -- as has been pointed out, more and more states are adding gambling. No one is going to go just for gambling if they can gamble in their home state.
There is tons of gambling in California, but people from here still flock to Vegas. The key is that Vegas has more to offer than just gambling.
I think this is the biggest problem and it won't be overcome. I was there last week and the boardwalk was absolutely packed and the beaches were as well. However, at night the slots were basically empty. The tables seemed to have some life but you could basically get any slot machine that you wanted.
I assume all of these people are like me. I went with comped or using points to get free rooms. I ate basically for free by using points and during the day I was on the beach and then the boardwalk in the evening. By the time I had time for gambling I was tired so I didn't do much. On top of that, I have a casino 4 miles from my house so I have no need to gamble at night. I was only there for the beach. I would bet most tourist that go there are doing the same.
Quote: AxiomOfChoice
There is tons of gambling in California, but people from here still flock to Vegas. The key is that Vegas has more to offer than just gambling.
No, the key is Calif has crap gambling. No roulette
wheels and no craps. When they eventually get it,
NV will be crippled by the change.
Quote: EvenBobNo, the key is Calif has crap gambling. No roulette
wheels and no craps. When they eventually get it,
NV will be crippled by the change.
Roulette is not a popular game at major strip casinos. Just a few tables, and never really full, even during busy times. The high-limit action is mostly blackjack, baccarat, and craps.
They have craps here and people play it, but it's kind of stupid (they do something with cards after the dice are rolled -- I'm not exactly sure what). They have some kind of roulette wheel with cards in it too but I have absolutely no idea what is going on there.
Blackjack and baccarat are the same. In fact they have better blackjack rules at lower limits here.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/christie-to-convene-atlantic-city-gaming-summit-1.1066824
Huh???
run by the same clowns who were either a) dumb enuf, or b) corrupt enuf, to have bought this hook, line & sinker?
(if you never read the entire Revel testimony it's a mind boggling, strange riff alternating between arrogance, naivety, & cluelessness. I always found it entertaining like what if a CEO & CFO dropped acid just before testying. The rubber stamp punchline by Kassekert, at the end will make you laugh -or cry) :
http://www.nj.gov/casinos/meetings/transcripts/2012/032612%20Revel.pdf
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceRoulette is not a popular game at major strip casinos.
It's a fact that NV has been shaking in it's
boots for years and has spent a lot of
money to keep CA from legalizing all casino
games. Vegas still gets about 30% of it's
business from Calif and they ain't all going
to see Donny and Marie..
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/tax-protesters-appear-at-airshow/article_9c739344-22fb-11e4-a595-0019bb2963f4.html
Either it doesn't work well enough or it does and the casinos have agreed together to not do it fighting on what they consider the cost of doing business(the holds).Quote: ECoasterIf any of the empty (Atlantic Club) or soon to be empty (Revel, Showboat, Plaza) casinos could be made into a new and successful casino there, what would that new place have to look like at this point? Imagine they made the table game rules more player-friendly, increased slot payback percentage, and loaded the floor with a bunch of the best paytable video poker machines. Would that draw enough people to make up for the lower house edge?
Quote: Dicenor33I would make all signs in Mandarin
Oh no! What will all the Cantonese speakers do?
(yes, I'm kidding)
Quote: BozThat shouldn't be a problem after this Novembers elections.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
Quote: Dicenor33put 50 more baccarat tables.
***APPLAUSE*** Wait it is AC with that 50 probably only three would be open. LOL.
Quote: RaleighCrapsOr, perhaps, the poker players should grow up??
Well what do you think is going to fix the problem? Changing the behavior of every poker player in the Borgata, or stationing an extra attendant in the rest room? Your statement doesn't make sense in the real world.
Quote: JackStraw8004You can eat off the floor in any part of the Wynn or Encore.
Now there's a challenge, eat the Mcnuggets off
the floor of the Wynn.
Quote: sodawaterWell what do you think is going to fix the problem? Changing the behavior of every poker player in the Borgata, or stationing an extra attendant in the rest room? Your statement doesn't make sense in the real world.
So Borgota should spend more money on extra attendants for the poker room bathroom, because the people who use those bathrooms can't be bothered to flush? Why is this a Borgota problem, instead of a poker player problem?
Now, I am assuming that Borgota does attempt to clean the bathrooms with the same frequency as the other rooms, but they may have cut back if the conditions are as bad as you indicate.
In any event, does it really make sense that grown men need to have a full time attendant in the bathroom to remind them to flush the toilet and not pee on the floor? I wonder how many would have to be reminded to wash their hands?
Dogs got to eat.Quote: EvenBobNow there's a challenge, eat the Mcnuggets off
the floor of the Wynn.
Quote: RaleighCrapsSo Borgota should spend more money on extra attendants for the poker room bathroom, because the people who use those bathrooms can't be bothered to flush? Why is this a Borgota problem, instead of a poker player problem?
Now, I am assuming that Borgota does attempt to clean the bathrooms with the same frequency as the other rooms, but they may have cut back if the conditions are as bad as you indicate.
In any event, does it really make sense that grown men need to have a full time attendant in the bathroom to remind them to flush the toilet and not pee on the floor? I wonder how many would have to be reminded to wash their hands?
A lot would have to be reminded. I am absolutley disgusted by the amount of people I see who don't wash their hands in bathrooms. I always do a full 60 second wash even if I just urinate. But I can kind of understand if you have to take a quick leak and don't have time to wash, OK. But I see people walk out of the stalls, and walk right out of the bathroom without even pretending to wash.
I think that this is something attendants and security in AC need to start enforcing. i know there are various laws forcing employees to wash hands while working working, but I think buisnesses especially places like Casinos with so many hands off and shared surfaces need to institute their own policies.
People are gross animals. The sinks I said once should be in public view to embarrass those who don't wash their hands. So if you leave the restrooms and go out, anyone could see you're a pig if you don't wash.Quote: GandlerQuote: RaleighCrapsSo Borgota should spend more money on extra attendants for the poker room bathroom, because the people who use those bathrooms can't be bothered to flush? Why is this a Borgota problem, instead of a poker player problem?
Now, I am assuming that Borgota does attempt to clean the bathrooms with the same frequency as the other rooms, but they may have cut back if the conditions are as bad as you indicate.
In any event, does it really make sense that grown men need to have a full time attendant in the bathroom to remind them to flush the toilet and not pee on the floor? I wonder how many would have to be reminded to wash their hands?
A lot would have to be reminded. I am absolutley disgusted by the amount of people I see who don't wash their hands in bathrooms. I always do a full 60 second wash even if I just urinate. But I can kind of understand if you have to take a quick leak and don't have time to wash, OK. But I see people walk out of the stalls, and walk right out of the bathroom without even pretending to wash.
I think that this is something attendants and security in AC need to start enforcing. i know there are various laws forcing employees to wash hands while working working, but I think buisnesses especially places like Casinos with so many hands off and shared surfaces need to institute their own policies.
Quote: RaleighCrapsSo Borgota should spend more money on extra attendants for the poker room bathroom, because the people who use those bathrooms can't be bothered to flush? Why is this a Borgota problem, instead of a poker player problem?
Are you kidding me? It's Borgata's problem because it's happening in Borgata's bathroom. The whole reason to have bathroom attendants and janitors is because people don't clean up after themselves in a public bathroom. Or let me know the next time you see someone use a casino bathroom and bring his own Comet and scrub brush to clean the toilet when he is done.
You attitude is ridiculous. Maybe Borgata shouldn't have security guards because people should just behave. Maybe Borgata shouldn't have surveillance because the dealers and players shouldn't try to steal. It's not living in the real world.
The fact is, the toilets are not being flushed. It's in Borgata's interest to either fix the auto-flush mechanism or have an attendant clean the bathroom more often.
I don't think a vast restroom etiquette re-education campaign among Atlantic City's poker players is going to be effective or economical.
Quote: JackStraw8004I would have to say all the times I was at the Revel the bathrooms were clean. You always see attendants in them. Borgata without question has the cleanest bathrooms in AC. They must have learned from Steve Wynn in Las Vegas. You can eat off the floor in any part of the Wynn or Encore.
I am basing my comments off of this post that states that Borgota has the cleanest bathrooms in AC.
So apparently Borgota does invest time and money into their bathrooms. It also sounds like Borgota has also decided the people using the bathrooms near the poker room are pigs, and have decided minimal or routine maintenance is what they are going to get.
Sorry soda, but I stand by my position that the players have no one to blame but themselves. It sucks to be one of the people who actually has some etiquette and bathroom decorum, and have to live with what your fellow players are leaving behind. But yes, the answer is not to have Borgota spend more on attendants (would you want that job?) to babysit, but take some action that addresses the problem at the source, which is the players.
I would start with a policy that states, "due to everyone handling cards, all players visiting the bathroom must wash their hands" and then figure out a way to enforce it. Being forced to leave a table for an hour would have an affect.
